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5-21 9am Tommy, climate change as a national threat?

May 21, 2015|

Is climate change a threat to national security? Tommy talks to James Elsner, a Professor of Geography at FSU, and Francesco Femia, Co-director of the Center for Climate and Security.

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Now it's Tommy Tucker WW well they amount lemon dot com and I. One I'm Reiner Allah bets in the boxer idea that some times starts running. Are ya I say and on this stretch against takes off like it's a resources on is something in the tone of your voice when you do it any any other things she does is. Because in memory CA tatters squirrel from hand that I get the scene. Meaning a better hang on. While now and when I say oh she she'd. Cursor ears up and turns around like she's on top alert you know on I knocked when they have a problem with these small those dogs that they call them. A small those dogs. They don't they don't cool off right away okay. Sunday night Kerry two gallons of water with Meehan and it lettered down like like a horse I guess on terms of those do that though Orson non. Aggregated drink as much she possibly can that man AG and own time outside but is it in the breathing. You know how they breed like book wasn't bulldogs are comfortable with a bombing that's funny sweat they slip through their. So that he more water well I don't know I think indeed be cooler but on counters. A spot on dog where you. On an ambiance now finally here at B port on the net I don't know the only these things at work workers use words you lights the rank and put it on there on. And I know there's a planning givers three bike rides a date a nobody happy all boy I bet if Betsy and happy a new tool nobody happy. Talk about global warming here and climate change and yet in some times people gate climate and weather confused because. You know it'll be unseasonably cool in April and Celtics in NC lawyers you global one warming now. And I think they get to weather anomalies confused with climate change which I think are two different games. And we're talking about that especially the president saying that. Climate change could be a matter of national security. And I've found an interesting given everything that's going on throughout the world James Eisner joins right now professor geography. At Florida State University good morning James aria. I'm Laura is that dot elk. Is it doctor. Professor l.s parents aren't looked like and so professor tell me com about climate change how people can get it confused with. Changes in the weather and I guess in terms of the presidency and could be a security issue could that happen. Well my research really focuses. Well climate change might affect. Hurricane activity. Which is of immense interest to us so for people don't believe in climate change because you know it has become extremely. Politicized and and sciences almost. Blew gonna have less to do with the than politics in the minds of a lot of people. We hear very entries in hurricane season a season starts as you all know on June 1. How could climate change affect the hurricane season and what kind of time frame are we look at that. Well it's certainly not gonna happen. If he's in northern actually or even the next I intend to. What we see which climate change is credible long term and so. And so what we're finding is that we actually makes you you're lurking in the future. Bar when they do occur they might be a bit stronger. That would be because all of but because of the U warming ocean the ocean have been going up have been warming. And they have more key than they used to thirty and forty years ago. Com. You know did the weather people here say it only takes one. In terms of hurricane even if they are less frequent and and we've had to you know storms here with Beason cases have been very. Problematic. Does the US need to act immediately when it comes to this and way as it relates to the rest of the world local we do and what to make a difference. Well those are very few questions charming unfortunately that's. Really not minding your extra. Satisfaction hurricanes and tornadoes for example. But in the cart policy what we want to do you know that's really beyond my my era. You house. Well doctor pre op professor rather appreciate you time early deal we need to talk to you again. You bet thank you professor James elsewhere. He's a desert geography at Florida State university's it is 601 mates and the army know what you feel about. Climate change do you think it's really do you worry about the fact that he could impact hurricane season as the professor. Just holders I don't know what I feel about it honestly don't they get science on one side it science on the other side. At one point. I didn't believe it at another point I did. So I would Eskew in terms of national security does climate change even make you radar. Hours the president trying new engage in some kind of scare tactic dues to get your attention or talk about climate change hang on we'll get to the phones in the second 26 1870 the president says. And I think this is something that he would like to be part of his legacy that climate changes. It. The biggest national one of the bigger national security threats we have that it's a threat to national security. Al as you do you believe him or not to 60187. Let me know and if you don't believe him what do you think he said that. And what do you think is the greatest threat to national security probably were great climate change at the bottom of the list. John honey I told good morning earn double WL hi there. I hear. It is all that. They actually. Is this is opposite. Opposite is that if you take it. They might. A hurricane or might affect whether that play or weather could that. There's that. Is we shall we do. They drink. For example that it's old and they're able to get out there they were growing. But he. Other than that. We believe it to. That might be you know that by. The bicycle away with them. Vikings went after the people. Like not sure is bark or if they work so we really been oh. How much. Kept OPEC to. Wow why are out of our. The different issues and those pipes and wait it out. Or are actually and Corey grow up just I know they want they like policy. All right opposite an educated. In. This is it just it. Well that's what I would ask you does the president sincerely think this is a threat to national security or. Does he think in his mind that he's gonna save the world and and I don't mean that dramatically in minutes sincerely from climate change do you think. When cancers foreign policy that just because he says it. It's going to be that way in everybody's gonna understand him and go along with a bomb. I hate to say his pleas because people are gonna jump all over that but I mean as president of the United States and his limitations. As far as any president of the United States and just because they wish it it doesn't necessarily make it's so. I believe that it does that matter it also appears that you know. There that it. There are Brett. Our country that he's done a whore and the fourth day. Opposite of the country. As as a matter of security at reduced in detail in the field is it he just does understand. The policy all. And dictated yes. That's. And I. Want they want but so much emphasis. Let me ask you this how do you think the president wants to be remembered and how will you remember him. That Brad wants to be remembered edge. Great to president. Com are they probably I'll be great that President Obama rate because of line John. I really do. Believe. In that part and as art but at. And I just don't eat that has that the people steal and the engine that. General people out port in a week we just I believe I believe he has he has more outrage. A secular. These orbit secular person he has. What could be. Across the board. All I can't think of the word but I just. You know media does it doesn't have the Skittles. Gadget John appreciate the call. Art are today IT 60187. A how will you remember President Obama and how do you think. He wants to be remembered we're talking about this the president saying that climate change was a threat to national security. And I think the president wants to be remembered as somebody that. Was actually able to mold the world manages the United States. Into his own image and likeness and he's says he wants to redistribute wealth day he's been quoted as that they. Affordable Care Act he thinks is something. That greatly changed America and I think when it comes who has foreign policy. I don't know if you wanna call it being naive. Herb hubris but it just seems like he wants to be remembered as a person that actually could. Change the world when other presidents couldn't. And instant text you saying that you remember him as being weak that you remember him as being utterly political you remember him. As being in the guy who wanted to take from me and give to somebody else not me. But that's with the tech says and I and I'd like to ask you that as we continue the conversation. About climate change and being. A threat to the security. Of America and as far as the greatest threat to national security right now I'd have to say terrorism not. Climate change and I think when it comes to resources when it comes sick to caring especially when you look at what happens in China and India. And how they don't care because there's so few restrictions there is no wal. Between any atmosphere between United States and China and India and other developing nations. Well then. How do you think that limiting what the United States does gonna make a difference other then. Companies movement to China and India where there are less restrictions and then. Polluting even more. Then they are now maybe I'm wrong a late deer to thank Ron and Amy good morning your on DeVon WL. Oh. Well. You know. There. You know. Tell me why. Okay. Remote. Remote. Wearing. It but it's like. And secondly. We are living without prequel. Oh we're needing to be. Yeah. And Eric go to trial. I'll. Well go. Battle Creek will now from local police now. These spoke out strongly. But witty you are well but it won't call. But the wreck there. We don't start already. Pretty strong there. It is definitely. Collaborate. So how would you fix it. Because it seems as though like edges said if you got other countries that don't really care many greenhouse gases they put in in the atmosphere. Has a really matter what America does. Yeah. Tray. And you know go to these content here. You work is now. Eric you're no. Cutler Trey put the there wouldn't have couldn't who. It. You know in China paper angry at certain day. Did you read about it. They are well what are critic well pretty and he spoke out I didn't expect. I run thank you appreciate it called coarsening. And to be fighting the government ordered to do those the government has seen made some very minor changes in terms of mania air quality better. In China will take a break come back talk more about climate change being a threat to global security. And how are you remember the president and how do you think he wants to be remembered. 2601878. I text him since Tommy wrong the greatest threat to our national security is the president. And his priorities. Frank Verney joins right now co director of the center for climate and security which is a think tank. One and frankly Dylan. Armed. Undone well sir thanks for taking the time president saying that. Climate change is a threat to national security is that hyperbole. Or is it affect. It's not hyperbole in that says that's because that actually coming from. Are. The military image really good department that such a pentagon as the saints all the way back into that or street. That climate change present a wrist and national security in the that's something should be done about it and so outside it's not hyperbole at all. So in terms of national security I think some people hear that phrase. And think and and as invaders at the gate or some money trying to take over the country but that's not exactly what you're talking about isn't. No it's not a picnic you know the way the US military looks is that there will deter. Kind of rich and national security that climate change that's one. Kind of a direct route to its military structure of people sometimes that's why did the estimate Beecher a merchant opiate state got. You know navy base is that cheap so they're very you know Laura and what that nature. Their ability. You know to carry out missions so if they're it's their base sister. But under water or threatened so that's one way in which the note Jerry. I worry about climate change another way more strategic so climate change. For example contrived you know protect precipitation decline in the Middle East and Africa. And you know water stress in those areas can lead to or contribute to instability that could. Sit back and contribute to situations where it's even the military aren't the so I would hinder peace. It and it that you look at sites which are separate now that's taken advantage of a lot of water resources and Syria and Iraq in and an Internet and that's you know the water resources diminish. You know terrorist can can pick it then Japan and so. So that the US military looks at all of these and that would send it. It's operational environments and it looks set all of these kinds of risks impact player for them and car that you just want. I think my eyesight Frankie is. One of the greatest threats to what we do here because your name is ceemea not Bernie and I apologize for that. Frank then frank Bohemia is clear I'm sorry frank emea co director of the center for climate and security that's a think tank with an advisory board. A semi retired military officers. And national security experts of frank emea back in the day you said. The military first expressed. Interest in this as a national security issue when residents. This is all the way back into entry the opposite net assessment without a court that's that up would that sit and chat via at the Pentagon. About a report. Which are identified. Climate change impact that the national security risks so that turned. Obviously the second Bush Administration. And that also during the Bush Administration. The national intelligence council about the threat assessment on climate change. Also demonstrating. That are being you know their perspectives that are treated circus and security so that the if that is an issue that the military is concerned about it spans administration. Really not know not necessarily something that strip by. You know what you know political consideration. And that was my question because UT you're talking about judged George W. Bush. From 2002008. Now I get President Obama who you probably is opposite aging get in terms of the spectrum. The military under both of these presidents. Saying this is real so I guess what confuses me. Is you would think the recommendations of the military would be one thing that both sides Republican and Democrats. Would take seriously so knee in terms of the military voice and all this. Has that been distracted Ehlers had been drowned out bio of the political noise between the Republicans and Democrats. Yeah I think the political village is ruby. Has really steered the reality that the situation. Canada and the reality of what the military has been scribe in respect to to treat. That's unfortunate because I think what's with all other. The golf sources. You know security respect that you say it's what they're from Iran or North Korea or international terrorist groups. You know that they're there's politics and those discussions but usually. You know our policy makers come together. And side that something that happened and there's bipartisan. Consensus on the future I think there's been a lot of going. I'll let them get started to change or start to cheat so Republican leaders talked about the need to do something about climate change. I'll put it where it all comes down to its you know that the US military saying hey you know this. We we have to deal we have to be able to defend the United States in the interest abroad. Climate change is gonna quit. Pressure on the ability to view. So. You know a couple of scope it's triggered the the ultimate so that's an unfortunate that the noise the the political militants who pitched here that back but I think they start to change local well he. Is that because in and I'm not in the think tank franks being counted tolerate me here is that because. Is that because republic. Business owners. Corporations. Mostly. Side with the Republican's bid because of philosophy and as a result. Any new restrictions even though the military. Suggests this way back in 2003 days they're saying we know what we're looking at today bottom line stockholders its batteries as a etc. So through contributions. We're gonna try to influence the Republican Party and as you all of this. Did to ask you is that how we got politicized is that how science got pushed to the background and all of a sudden. The Republicans as saying that they do when he mean this is made up in a Democrats saying you better pay attention. In the I think that's possible about it and an expert in that states that you know it stated that I think part of the reason the court aside as well that. You know the solution has short politicized problem. So that there have been you know discussions at various different ways to deal with climate change whether or trade. Or carbon tax. Yet feel the mission to cheddar and Turks you know an Arctic Circle well reasoned that sort of thing that. The problem itself which is which is not going well and so. Which I think that that's had some sort of role play and I think that that in which you mentioned the federal but other than what's happening now as we see. He'd be impacts upon a change in the past we were post op in the future projections that are. Now for example. You know our military forces in the Pacific. In the Pacific Command for example the commander. It's a command admiral Locklear has talked about. The simple fact that they're dealing with climate impact every day in that region and so I think what's happening these are seeing these impact military in the impact. Purse here. They're reeling that back the Washington and I think that is started which again and hopefully that it'll need to some solutions in the bigotry in the near future. Which kind of brings ceemea co director of the center for climate and security it's a think tank with an advisory board of senior retired military officers. And national security experts Franken and a speaker earlier I said carbon credit hours at the right term for cancer died yet. And it would require businesses to keep. There emissions down and as a result they would get accrediting NC taxes. Quote. A easily talk about China and India we talked about the Olympics earlier in an Allah those. Years ago where he could barely see the venues because of the smog how do you keep. Or what good would it do for the United States in terms of national security. To reduce their emissions. And perhaps by tightening them up here you force businesses to go over. To India or China where they could be. And what an imposition of because of lesser restrictions did the damaging the the answer more than they are now. It's a question you know league league deal in just a great career it impacts on change what we do about those impacts but. But I'll say it than that in that case is that it's really important. The US goes what goes something like that. That other major polluters like China. Like India and others do the same thing that's why the steel between. Between the US and China. That happened earlier in the year. Was so important as. China has agree that China's growing China did you know that article. Gender and so they really have to you know on go along with. With that with the US on this. And so that's really important and that is a chance that they you know. You know. It that it made mention that it wanted to make sure that China we're gonna. Decent too so so irritated it is that what is the set to be there. Are there to vehicle the preeminence of current political stated that. You know a complete remission this side of climate changes are happening. A lot of it is historic block and spears and in addition shoot during some ago mission. As a real need to do something about climate change adaptation match spoke here in the United States in the that are changed. You know Oracle's. Cities that also include. Did it and it and adapt and climate change in terms of protecting our military infrastructure. Opera also abroad and making sure that. You know we're doing things which. You know it is helping other countries. I deal with climate action that they that this doesn't instability for example so. So there there's a there's a lot more pitchers dimensions and I think that. What the military has been quoting now. And of course we jumping to be done about Turkish dimensions. Put put it but there's a lot more there's a lot to do patience well. In terms and I would ask you this Francona of the Asia Bailiwick or not but in terms of credibility and reliability. I don't think there's anything about which. More Americans would agree then the US military and I just wonder why that message. From the military is not. It led every discussion of climate change here in the United States. And why made it always turns are intensely political because it would seem as though. If you're an art if you're. Or nonpartisan Richardson. Yeah I think unfortunately the unity issues that orders that group. Earlier and and that's kind of obscured. You're back on the chin so but again it really does he think there's there's a chance that could change. You know for example earlier in the year we had it he Republican senators are sign onto a resolution along with. Democratic colleagues in the senate. Identifying core change real issue. And so that was progress in the machine senators like the secret others talk about the need for. Further to the Republican Party do something a car change now they control. China. It's so I think I think something's happening in. I think that part of that is just the recognition that climate change is happening. And we don't let it Democrats were forced to Wear hearing but it. About that from the boat they'd been hearing about it from the military and intelligence community are so and since early in the 1%. Frank we're out of time I hope we come back on and things are suffering this fool. Mark idea of a good day did before Tommy Tucker coming back and evidently well.