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6-22 7am Tommy, Confederate flag debate

Jun 22, 2015|

Is the Confederate flag heritage or hate? Tommy talks to David Goldfield, Robert Lee Bailey Professor of History at UNC-Charlotte, about the history of the Confederate flag.

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I'd so this she needed junior go let thing is it or isn't it on that video. Yeah or else the question is that. It is sand and wind hold it until now whoever handedness and released it there is a website that. Hands. A couple of pictures you pictures juxtaposed words one that. I junior go let released. On on social media and then they match up. That the numbers the pictures of people with heat you whom he was with in the picture that he released then you could see him in the fight. Yeah I haven't seen. The video we have and at WW Al dot com it's a video that came out over the weekend that purportedly shows. Saints player junior go last on the beach and Miami in 2013. Swinging a belt. And hitting a woman and several other people with this belt. His attorney says that's not junior gallant the saints say they don't know they've turned everything over to the league office and we'll see where Erica from. Again she'd do in terms of investigation may be you establish where he was may be a look at pictures he released but you know and I thought of as as I heard then. First thing and on up. And nobody was seriously injured whether. Not that we know of the problem for vehicle that is you know there was this other incidentally this home where a woman claimed that. Initially claimed that collapse and his another person in the home had shoved or pushed her ripped to nearing at a very here and that. So there was that one case of possible. Domestic abuse all the charges were dropped there was a lawsuit that has not yet gone anywhere. But now you have a second claim and I think that's why the league may have cynical look at. Well and in the I think junior that was interviewed last week. Mini camp and said that sometimes trouble comes looking for you. Right and at this thing then I thought about this isn't as I've heard it was who winners of L to the beach. It went up pelted the beach I the only time I ever see that as you know you see people and groups come down to take pictures at some point during their vacation families of the big family like I was in a slightly and in the end again usually yell like Colin and and that's the board shorts and sometimes they have the belt with a short time but generally. Now why would you have a belt at the beach atmosphere out there. Deferral beach wedding which I hate. You should be no sand involved in a wedding. Or appears mean you can just out there have plane in the water in Sunday than water sports and all that need for a balance wondering about that but I tell you if that is him. He doesn't some injury issues of you that is the first it's going to whoever that is was angry and if and if it is him or anybody is date is him want to start slowing and now here's sizable. Look at mountain right. So I would you. I missiles and interests and out. All involved. With whoever that was if it was your vehicle and organized. And the emotions seem to be a little. Inhibited perhaps tie some kind of chemical additives I don't let's let's leave it this way just no way a bill to the speech. And none of this never happens and you never been accused of hitting some of the belt if you don't have one that is Curtis I've never seen at 712 coming back under the WO talking about the confederate flag controversy. In South Carolina are ready to get where opinion poll is the confederate flag a symbol of heritage or hate you can go to WWL I come I will give you. The the results we combatant at that view it is going to be hot and lives say barring any tropical weather it's going to be but. Even in the tropical weather and it is extremely anyway. Highs around ninety to ninety fine. Heat in disease down maybe enough hundreds 105 range and chances for showers through the week 20303030. And when he right now closes in on eighty degrees and a big Alan Collison dust up or core lawful I would call this a big controversy over the confederate flag. In South Carolina are ready jaguar opinion poll asking you is the confederate flag a symbol of heritage or hates. 55% saying heritage 45%. Saying in hate. And I guess David gold fields are Robert Lee Bailey professor of history at UNC Charlotte joins us right now morning senator. Good morning good bwic comic thank you for taking the time if you can com. It may be could do it more is saintly then I can give missile into the background on what happened with the confederate memorial. How the flag. Historically got to be there I believe there was it was initially over the State Capitol but he is a compromise they moved it. On a thirty foot pole however many feet away give us some background doctor if you. Sure and the year and 1961. The South Carolina State Legislature. Start to fly the confederate battle flag above the capitol dome. And the year is that significant for two reasons first it was the 100 anniversary of the American civil war started that war. And secondly was right in the midst of these civil rights movement so the flag from the beginning in south Carolina at least was the symbol of defiance. As it was back in the 1862. And 1863. When the battle flag that was first formed by the confederate. Congress in enrichment. And if you look at the debates in the confederate congress it was very clear. That white supremacy it was a major force behind the design of the confederate battle flag because initially. It was called the stainless banner and most of it was wife to represent the white republic that the confederacy was but of course. Carrying a white flag onto the battlefield there's not really a good idea saying it is a sign of surrender but anyway the. Although if you carry it and you don't surrender. Might be might be crazy like a fox game. True true budget that violates all sorts of international law. But the so the flag flew and told 2000. Oh win there where protests. And the governor David Beasley at the time. I decided that that lets end this controversy we have to move forward let's take the flag go off from the dome so what they did was put the the flag right smack in the middle of the state house capitol grounds so instead of being up in the bill. We're most people really didn't. Didn't notice it because when you're walking down the street past the state capital I used to live in Columbia. You're your head is not the clouds you're looking straight ahead. And but now it looks straight ahead he concede that confederate battle flag so it's even more visible now. Was banned back in in 2000 when they move the flag down. So it didn't really end the controversy in fact that it is extended it. But in terms of heritage and eight I would say yes it's it's boat heritage and eight depending on who you need talk with but the historical. Genesis of the flag it's it's clear that it was meant to support. White supremacy and support the cause of the confederate states of America. Which of course was to protect and expand the institution of slavery. And I know you've you've busy and I would hope that you can hang on because no one asks you about. Can you say anything is simply has confederate flag because I'm in the budget tanks same old Arab onto different confederate flags can we address only comeback tour. Thank you David gold dealer guests are Robert Lee Bailey professor of history. At UNC Charlotte 720 time for debit WL traffic. I Tommy Tucker 725. Were talking about the confederate flag in the uh oh controversy goes on in South Carolina about it at any given the killing of nine people. At the church last week. David gold field dessert guests is a property of Robert Lee Bailey professor of history at the UNC Charlotte and his chair DC you know is in doubt by a descendant of Robert. They there's no doubt that the confederate flag is the symbol of slavery. MP and yet again. Because it represented the confederate states of America in fact confederate leaders would be very surprised about the debate. Going on now concerning well what is state rice was that the Arab. Or was that slavery. If you read the and vice presidential address Alexander Stevens became vice president of the confederacy said that slavery was the cornerstone of the confederacy. And if you read the secession ordinances there. Every single state slavery with foremost among the reasons for there secession from there leaving the unions so. For the confederate does this was not really an issue of debate now I understand that it's not it's not a good thing to have your ancestors. Beloved ancestors connected with such that terrible institution's human bondage so what you make of other reasons for it but that the bottom line as. If we had that slavery they would not have been possible war. Professor that it. When it comes a confederate flag is it as simple as talking about the confederate flag. Or are there are several from which to two draw of material to discuss. I never really refer to as a confederate flag because what you just mentioned there are so many of them but what we call the confederate battle flag. Is the one that's under controversy. Today and really did not make its appearance in significant numbers in Italy can 63. And then really only in the army of Northern Virginia under the command of general Robert Heatley. Most soldiers of the confederacy fought and died under other banners and and standards frequently their own state. Blacks. So just some clear there was one official flag of the confederate states and everything else was. Off shoots a lawyer. That it did variations of it wore different. Battalions or wherever they were from different groups that were fighting. That's correct it was one official flag the national flag ago which we call the stars and bars. And I think if you look fluid that today nobody's very few people let's put it that way very few people would do recognize that the for what was the confederate match. National flag. We're most familiar with the confederate battle flag that that was flown by the army or from Virginia from 1863. Com. And what's different against SARS and bruises. The start embarked the national flag it's like the the US flags the stars and stripes the stars and bars and in fact it's. It's similar in many respects in color and with the stars. Has the US as the American flag in fact that that's one of the reasons why be a confederate pulled that off the battlefield because. It in the distances it looks confusing and almost looked like the American flag and you can't have. That's as bad as your batters it's a confusing me the enemy. And yourself. I appreciate your time professor and I think we're missing the 21 man. I think it would with in this controversy. The thing to keep in mind is that I can understand that the folks who look upon the flag as a matter heritage. But the history says otherwise and the bottom line is that it's something really affect offense by neighbor. I will be willing to compromise because of what's more important than these controversies is that biblical injunction but the love thy neighbor as thyself. Right so just be clear again at the flag with the acts. Right white stars on it and the red background that is the confederate battle at a flag in the stars and bars. Have the stars in the circle upper left hand corner and and back to red stripes and a white. Right now the national debt thank you sir appreciate your time I you're quite welcome Pope wouldn't talk to again professor David gold field. He's the Robert Lee Bailey professor of history at UNC Charlotte so the phone lines to be open when we come back. At 260187. You tell me is a confederate flag. A symbol of hate or a symbol of heritage. Of course remember hurricane seasons here June 22. WWL wants to know if you are ready. For all the information you need to evidently well dot com mean it parish by parish instructions. Contra flow and evacuation routes a family plan and a pet plan. A checklist of list of emergency contacts plus on text alerts and Morin of the neat thing about this is studies in term group. We think we'll bring him back. The groovy thing about this is that with your iPhone you go to the website whenever you want while you're in the car evacuating presuming. You know doing it while you're driving hurricane Central Europe companion before during and after a hurricane or major weather events sponsored by cool view aluminum. The hurricane protection people and Euro official emergency management station. WW LT six a 187 U viewing get in line to talk about the confederate flag right now though. It is time for Deb WL first news with Dave Cohen you know Dave we got about what 38 monitors in years we as we monitor every and then and I concealed different kinds stations and all the monitors the thirty it's ultimately sort of like Fox News announces date of course but. It's not the size and monitored use it. I take a break coming back going and a WW well. We have a lot of monitor. Yes we do Ennis on one of them a picture of I don't know where it was to adjust on the picture of its 66 people breaking a record by being on a surf board once or port. How it was a surfboard. A pretty big it looked to me it reminded me and I don't mean this disrespectfully but remember Sully Sullenberger and whatever the flight was in a miracle on us and that's what it looked like. It looked like a one way that they were standing on. And that picture always terrified me in and I had the same reaction to this almost where you see the bottom of its start as saying. Assert to sink rather and Ali's people standing on and of course the difference as they were ready go on water not of people with. What he held with the miracle on arts and Caribbean with a water it was a little warmer wherever they were on the serve or that it was in the Hudson out of us and if not they were aware needs a seal suits we don't know what's what's it. I thank you Dave van in Metairie kinda watch your mouth with soap fan a Metairie high era's double WL lineup. Good morning and waving about again tattered flag. Our war for raiders there's other respectfully your temple. And go to hide behind it it's heritage what here to visit their father fight that war. But grant on a great father to me to make it as an excuse. Like social media people hide under those ladies it's agreed to convert belt but you don't add up blocker great video game. You're able to be second without someone being inward hateful I mean circled the World Cup and it looked over and have a right to speak it say ugly things that are caught in a leak out of that's out there. You know one thing. That. I wanted to ask and to get your responses this and we'll open the phone lines at T six of point seven you drive and now on the street you'll on the interstate. Maybe not even here may be in a different city and you see somebody. Flying the confederate flag outside their home. And may be with the American flag and not not with the American flag is by itself what do you think. Well they have a right to be ignorant that don't know. You know they don't care -- in need in our go to our. Respect your neighbor you know but no respect and they would ever right to be disrespectful practicality it. You know what people do cart perfectly together well. I know what their cabinet that shall seek a court our country. In all connecting illegal surveillance it's art. What followed or wherever they are and in that changed a signal not equated. Thank you man I appreciate you call 260187. He is a confederate flag. A symbol of heritage your hate some pressure in South Carolina and take it down. After it was what confederate memorial was that face black lives matter in the Medicare the messages appear you spray containing a tanking. Public property. He should be doing okay but the message was. Black lives matter. And then there was another. Messenger on the side of it this is the problem had stayed racist. So is the confederate flag a symbol of heritage or hate and when you're driving through a neighborhood. Oilers Ian from the inner city and you see somebody flying the confederate flag or maybe in the back of the truck what do you think. 742 Tommy Tucker back in a flash under the W. I 746 Tommy Tucker talking about the confederate flag being a symbol of hate or heritage. In trouble over the weekend in South Carolina. 15100 people out to protest the flying of the confederate flag the other state capital also on a confederate memorial. And the and the any CP Cornell Brooks there is playing as a come down. This is not merely a man shooting that merely a matter of nonviolence is as a racial hate crime and must be confronted such. Two things are soft you got admired the people of mr. to leave their faith and noticed. You know sit there on Sunday but you know Jesus said turn the other cheek in Gundy said. Who were not to tempers by an indication on a student of history. Said you know you'd react with nonviolence and peace and that the people lost friends and at loved ones did not and but you know forget again. Answer per game and that would that would be hard for me to do. But anyway I don't know that the shooter. He said he an image of a confederate flag on a car and your photos of them on social media I'd think com. That have surfaced of him we even confederate flag on his roof. I don't think the flag. Made this guy is so filled him with hates a much viewed don't know turgeon and just start shooting. But I think it can be very offensive to some people and I just wonder if you do slide in front of your home. An outlook to hear from you was well are you trying to send a message are you trying to on your heritage. Announced that a money grow operate until the story doesn't times but I think it's relevant here and on a map that was added was. What eco chaperone and kid marching in the parade but. Yeah a couple of black police officers standing there and operated made one of these one of many stops. And they had some people in the truck that would probably flying confederate flag. Now les saw it was blow was that an affront to these police officers that were they showing disrespect to them and if there were to be trouble. Would these people are flying the confederate flag. Be the first ones to run to the African American offices looking for them to protect him. Just some thoughts and I had a name when you go through a neighborhood you see somebody flying the confederate flag what you think. And should you ever fly that if you're not gonna put the American flag. Either above it if it's on a pole or maybe dip the confederate flag slightly showing the superiority. Of the American flag Richard and Ninth Ward hi good morning your debit WL. All the talk to take my call. I. Well. It's. Lou. Always a two quick. Let him. When he. Give them an apple will. At the gate and that it would the would be. And public to. In any. That is why they're here now 00. And not only were able. Oh well. Late now you say stars and bars just be anchoring casinos did I got a history on Nancy talk about the ones the ones with the X or the one with the flag in a blue red white and red stripe. A lot robber in order. That would be the expert. App pool and poker night and it would crack or Kirk that's the battle flag guide they tell me now what else rich did you say Isa two points. We're born in the back. That led up as South Carolina here be directed at all and not just it didn't look up. Eric ought to be that would be what piece MD became a lull people there a particular spot to be segregation and danger harmony. What. What that on a Nazi flag and outlaw old again. So you think confederate flag both of them should be outlawed both the battle flag and the official flag. Read about America. Now and on and on and on time at the official flag of the confederacy is too. You put that gold cup with a lag them up why I'm here what am not in an open. When they they are a lot but it outlawed beat you the confederate flag because of the book ever though look like supreme. I. The civil war two's the Holocaust. Or get back at the same people lightly at each other. I'll call them though. No basically. We. Can't expect him later at about what they thought through the map. Hurry back to any worries I actually that we had to go to traffic reaches. Can you then make the comparison between flags if you're saying in the Holocaust and civil war in no way equal but I appreciate you call 751 the right time now for double WL traffic. Point three in home I'm hearing a Mexican music station over you well the engineers are working on it but I would like to had to add rather. One as the house. Bombed sued Jon on a road we go talking about the confederate flag page on your on Devin WL. Yeah ever did see why should it be. Better like it. Narrowed that are in the African American. US unique. I mean everybody. Out their. Eight hour here. And dislike America out there. Like in our country. Burst. That urge like operated. Or national flag. And at that Iraq Ike and the forty car like it there like we have. Actually get the ball up and people. UK. And what it actually. You. But nice and when you talk about disease it is everybody in Mississippi would easily filled with hate. I would imagine the people letter black there would be filled with hate toward. Themselves but in terms of the confederate flag being included in Mississippi flag. She at some point deadbeat put to a vote nor does it matter is that a matter percentages or is it a matter of X amount of offense is enough to take it down the owners and Zain if. It. You know people. If your partner her partner here just like labor party or air their. That number is bigger. Partner means that they. That's why. Another country that you want the states the united shows you people are taxes and am I can from them. I real quick mom would you feel bad if somebody burned the confederate flag would they get your blood pressure. Your quick I want in front of your home. You would give you the one. Are accurate at all lately you know when thank you John appreciate the Coleman to about cop out. I am a flagpole Stanley Cup to me coming back continuing our discussion tummy tuck it got a W.