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6-24 7am Tommy, Confederate flag flap

Jun 24, 2015|

Tommy talks to Jarvis DeBerry, a columnist for the Times-Picayune & Nola.com, and Dr. Mary Mitchell, a Prof. of History & Midlo Chair of New Orleans Studies at UNO, about monuments and memorials to Confederate icons in the city.

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When these idiots in the control room says I tried calling DO TD but dated him any information on the Rhodes scholarship. You see when I'm up against terrorists. Do you not a Rhodes scholar and generally I'm a one man band in Yangon terrier. You like to apply for the currencies in the do agree GO let's take a break point comeback we'll talk to Jarvis to bury it. Columnist for the times Picayune no dot com. Can be controversial at times. I think he's very influential. And I'm a fan of his I like reading what he writes although I don't always agree with it. I Tommy Tucker Chris Miller Jordan Siegel who is the author of dead at DO TV line by the way it was it Chris it was a good Jordan or shelter. Not match yelled and ask to be Jordan C ides of whom quality from Alabama data coming back under the W. Is to be hot today you know that 30% chance for showers right now we're already closing in on eighty degrees and our next guest I would say you're an influential columnist when all hell is breaking loose during a City Council meeting some years ago. And believe it was Peggy Wilson that quoted. Jarvis to Berry and company wrote in his column and with that he joins us right now columnist for the times Picayune and know that come morning Jarvis. The morning hours and do remember it correctly and eager Brent. Pop out our I think it may have been on about her that you are a lot of meaning people here remember that. Screaming and she sold Jarvis Berry road it's not like it. Tellme. To me about you know Reggie column about the first off segment the answer in. In new loans it once the Jefferson Davis ante today and are trying to government discussion and well which is. Perry directed to the point quote tell me if you could give them Malcolm low view room columns about this. Where it is it used in in what would you think philosophically about it is. I don't Lugar court sense and it took and we are now I've been thinking about it issue for for quite some time at bats in the column. I'd this happened the clock out with that aren't in there at all. You months ago and she you know I believe in Portland has only debt due in country. That is dedicated to the law or police. And out a lot would pocket. And he directed me to the white lead. Much impact at crichton here canal let's talk now but he and aquarium. I have the glide immediately look at it and the minute that your listeners probably know. Is dedicated to a segregationist. Attempt and I get the successful attempt at eighteen cent for. Two basically biting what was then an integrated Norman police fourth and we have a minute. Tibet. And Arctic and in its ship. Simple as reprehensible that we. Again is that they think about you know ridiculous that they are all that we you know we couldn't imagine currently at the monument to trap the boy. Who killed there. And yet we have a minute and art it's it is there right now they heard about the walk that they are right knee. Dedicated to people who get just that didn't know nothing different Travis. End Jarvis I remember that monument used to be I think at the foot of canal streeters somewhere else and a prominent position Andy any thought they would tuck it away back there were nobody would see it. Exactly you know outlook here and by and I learned about it fight after. I would read it to go out and let it but yet though. As I heard from others. The mayor and talking about. What to do you do anything with the lease statute in the circle. And so. Actor Nikki Haley in South Carolina. Talked to Al. Removed in the compare from the State Capitol. In Columbia. I thought okay what people have been talking about this in Portland as well outlook open yet but it didn't stop it at that. So is your point about the am definitely called monument. So is your point about that that would seems like a good idea at that time. When you look at it further down and look at it objectively through historical context to realize is not the right thing to do why in the world would you do that in any example aegis gave. An officer shot and killed over the weekend but yet if you go to park in canal place I believe if I remember correctly and see the statue. Off the right it's a woman held we'd camp that would you make it seem. I guess the comparison to. Its civil war. Things where it may seem like a good idea. When the war would steal and everybody's memory and and maybe there was some bitterness there about the loss but but history changes and it's time to take things like that. Well you know it didn't hit me on that would put enough. There you know it is clearly an attempt you know it is clear intent that day. We don't wanna take back control yeah. The North Korea ostensibly won the war. But they're not here anymore and then after they're gone. You know so who the real heroes for. You know it and light that statue objective and it is not that the patriot what. How about Yahoo! went to war against the country. It is the patriot. That it bikini and and what are the achievement in the past are signing the capture first bridge and search who is light yet in your life. And I couldn't race side by in the I thought about doing that. But I didn't have a developer everybody bud. But yet you don't like he's he's the capture of racially. Integrated church and note the middle the Stuart frustration. He. Having to explain it to its children. And and that they that it doesn't matter of course it matters to my buddy at their definition might. I'll take a Greg Jarvis and we come back I wanna talk about you arrive column as it relates to. The judge in South Carolina that that's handling this case. Also about some of the the arguments that are proffered by people would call in. And you know I'm sorry for doing has some stunning honestly I don't care I honestly don't I'm not offended by it I'm not proud of it. I think to myself as a new all lean mean and it's got nothing to do with any of them by nine I can understand how people can be very offended mind. I can understand how people can be. Very passionate about it but I do wonder when it comes to passion how many are seriously passion about it. Passionate about it as. Southern heritage I guess will welcome back with drivers to bury two. To talk about some of these issues seventh when he won them time. That it will track. 725 targeted Jarvis to various columnist with the stateside Amendola. To be someone counterparts deal. What would you or I'll. You are required. Apple did I say that yesterday. Are you kidding me. All opinion. Times Picayune and know that economic as a candid dating myself here. Com. In afternoon paper here new loans on people realize that not the point. I get it colleges now somebody called in and hung up Jarvis Berry is the biggest black racist. In this at a interesting that you should be singled out as black but are you the biggest races and city drivers. The tablet at the ball you know what is what is interesting to me is that you know we have these. Statute dedicated to people who wore. Actively fighting bull racial supremacy and active fighting for our original production. And that to me I think it's what we have to think about where recruits in the and and who rates this really off. And it in all kind of they reached a local merchants people are a lot that. Charges made it doesn't stick to your law have been paid. Let's stateside and things like. Like this tape and I was only three when that happened Jarvis I guess it must be repressed childhood memory. Mom is so some of the things I'm gay and here's some attacks on getting some of the arguments that are proffered what it's part of southern heritage. Why does that make it racist it's happened and if you if you take that down as a B like rush in the old days where you're changing revising history. You know you're changing. Yesterday bought it happened aug oh what happens so what war. Spain now that it's not appropriate this is not respectful. You know I didn't really agree with United States arching into Iraq into doubt entry. But what we all thought when it is charging tool that can liberate Iraq what was the first thing that we remember. They tore down that statue of Saddam. Saddam Hussein represented something that it's awful and the people who that the racket that aren't did not want to see it's strange how about. You're a match what you like be a black person out and seeing people who practically fought to keep your people chapel property. Being celebrated and and they're power book due to steer you been out there were traitors to the United States. They were actively treasonous and they don't deserve to be a. I George Washington not a traitor or get a text here's same role he owned slaves. Thomas Jefferson known slave sure we take down statues of those people. But it's if people want to do that. Go I'm not fight comport you know it's one thing and I understand people want to start this little and so partner I'd give it. What we're focused and right now it is the current status he is they actively opposed and in war with the United States what we have. Statute celebrating that there will be out statute celebrating the Nazis. Well what we've we do we need I don't think the league where we wouldn't say that the people bought into that country deserved to beat celebrated in this country. Yet the history I think the complicated. The constitution allow slavery the original president this country own slaves and I think that it is. Really. More on their characters they'd get that. You know we can all out debate about where I want to celebrate people who were generally able I don't. You know that this is that time to have that conversation necessarily. A light now talking about specifically. People we reached more. Again United States so the mere sheep people who east war against United States of America be celebrated. Mir if you. Island talk to you real quick over run out of time about judge James does in the South Carolina lately when he gave his statement originally here at the Agassi hearing on the news talking about come. We should feel compassion for the victims and their families who should also feel compassion. For the shooter because his family is a woman for this year for the shooters manly because he is gone through a lot of they're gone through a lot of pain. As well I can look at that as a sign of compassion or do you look at that as initially I did do you look at that is. Some kind of ridiculous statement to make. I'd lick it and declare them vote on our I don't know about pollutants come just on me. To eat at all like what you call. About somebody you know I should really intricate and yeah I think it is. Inconceivable. That it artwork that suspect that in such a crime the judge that I approach that count would be experts in Qatar open market probably. And I know that they are right now book by Detrick but fruitless adjournment theologian who talked about cheap grace and help some Christians. Been good the cut great history that it actually cheap incident that comes cheap to. And I think that the idea. Yet you should be just reflexively for cupid or. It's barely should be. Flexibly to and compassion it's apparent that cheap great about Hitler out so eloquently. You know I don't know it's Stanley. But that come out here about them all at what I care about the people GO and the air fare. Jarvis and you're reading it really deal I don't always agree with what you wrote but that's right Rambis and America's about and lady came on to become that. You've been at the times seats item that's. Jarvis very columnist for the times Picayune. And Nolan dot com and ordered the district did refer to an email I got here. Com. That. Before we in the news. And it says I like listening to you. But you're such an apologist. Neutral instantly catered to like him stand listening you're on a regular basis take a stand man's not trying to please signs of first off I did take a stand and let Evan Berry honest about things feel passionate about things down. Word of any passion over this is like its old artist. I don't care. If you if you are the southern parent ages and you think that the flag should be kept up and confederate times. God bless you I'll open the phones and hear what you have to say if you'd think the confederate items or an example of racism and it's worsening need to be taken down. I'll open the phones and I'll listen what you say I take stand on things stands on things often. This time honestly I don't care 732 timely news known to have a W I tickets. It is Crist. You're gonna after accuse you sell because we're turning incredibly political now and you can't get involved in this. Attack says oh my god Tommy deal and room's name is complicit in the shooting by ignoring is obvious defects. And ideology and what went on in the in the family. You know I get a disagreed Jarvis will be when he talked about the judge. Being compassionate to the victims. Of the shooters namely. Nazis. I don't think in any case like that even if you look at this year and only fair to blame him. Or at least to rub it in their face because they they lost a kid however you look at Britain. And maybe eating at something did you win I don't know politics and in of course you don't care your people wasn't lynched burned alive. You women wasn't raped shot to death for years sportier children wasn't killed his Gator bait you meant wasn't castrated and then again. You have the right. And continue. Until 10 AM I don't know what that means I don't know what happened in my people I know what race. I really now. I think him on parts gotti's but I'm not sure about that timing of black blood in me I do not now. I don't care because I have bigger fish to rise and if you look at man as lows hierarchy of needs it is an inverted pyramid. And you got to take care stuff that's important you first before you can take here. Things that are of an ideological. Nature. Now and add some extra people symbol why don't worry about black on black killing while they worry about. Drugs in the black community and the reason is this I think politically. It's easy to airs statute. It's easy to remove a flag. When you talking about the real deep problems in his country in the cause of factors. Did you need complicated. Amendment solutions to to a very complicated problem you can him simple solutions. And this nightmare happen. Right away. And take a break we come back we'll take you girls and 260187. Any. Com and we'll talk on other and says two in doubt when you head Jarvis the racist on he's fans the flames at every opportunity. He has the freedom of speech so if you think he's of races. And you may call and tell me that it 2601870. Turn on the radio office like sticking your head no saenz. We'll be back and evidently well. 746 Tommy Tucker that the W well 30% chance for showers today 40% tomorrow. 30% on Friday forty on Saturday forty on Sunday and hot. They heat index to be somewhere between unbearable and you've got to be kidding me. Eighty degrees already we're talking to doctor Mary Mitchell professor of history. In the mid low chair. In new loans studies at UN on good morning doctor Mitchell tomorrow. And I take a call real quick here because Jarvis and Barry was talking about the statue in the battle of liberty place Earl says. He was wrong about that and I thought if anybody could tell us truth that you is there ranked. And her Minnesota morning you're talking to doctor Mitchell about. The battle of liberty place in the monument that was moved at thing was at the foot of canal street now it's tucked behind. The act now plays barking like gonna answer. And this is her you're talking to me yeah. And you talk to doctor Mitchell. And both yet there are a lot. Misconception Abu. About liberty place in the my argument. Irritable oh it was written in the 1950s. Pelicans perched on the battle with but he poised to Byrd who explains that essentially the after the civil war. With reconstruction. There were still federal troops. Scattered throughout this out when there was a lot of the oppression of the citizens. And as a result. There were a number of groups which unfortunately. The it didn't change which I'm not proud of like. Did they didn't kill eleven police officers and uniter. Well it was. An attempt. And missed the lead our final thought it was murdering police offices it was essentially. An attempt to overthrow. The federal government which wasn't that. Or eleven calls are important okay well hang on let's see what doctor. Mary Mitchell thinks about that doctor Mitchell. Yes. Well I mean at the battle with the weight classes. Battle between. Louisiana lightly beaten that the democratic. Serb paramilitary group. White supremacist group. And that duly elected government. There were still federal troops in the south of that nature and people. But. They were over primary seat two elected government and I am trying to establish their own government and through violent. And eventually stopped. But that that except specifically. I bottom line or eleven law enforcement officers killed. I don't know I don't remember. Number of people killed there was casualties. We are hunter and hundred patents it is an iPad. Well we we can look I'll I just wanted you to talk to her because if people think that I want try to get the historian cleared up. Is their war on southern heritage is. The confederate flag are items like they had guys that you use to property lead to. Ended nine the news Jefferson day yeah are those races symbols are of those historical symbols. Well there is their historical interpretations of the civil war but they are. I think there are different from the flag. Flag being very abstract symbol and these are people monuments Hughes in memory in the civil war. Very that it put up at a very specific time and place in the late nineteenth early twentieth century but that there by very specific group of people. White people who want to remember the civil war and a certain way they wanted to celebrate they're here. They want and to serve as well. Recognize the tragedy that happened. And that was their interpretation of the civil war it was not in their interpretation that was or about country. And their reason for putting up these monuments was. As a historian David played Yale has explained it was sort of reconciliation. Trying to move. Right rather than emancipation. Interpretation of the civil war. Well it was sixty years after the civil war and leave and not war almost sixty years after Vietnam we now. Well I mean. These peace symbol of the couple and great and they've become part of the landscape and that's the problem. That money has had become part of of the landscape and we got by them every day and and that that you know people don't even think about them and now have a conversation about mr. Tell me before we have to to say a did you idea. Tom Davis and the flag and the monument. Well that that the flag get you know can be used in multiple spaces can be widely spread. And it is abstract symbol on some level person that monument which it in one place. People would come to that monument to celebrate a great person a flag can be anywhere. And a monument becomes part of the city and that and that's why the community have to decide so to speak monument because that is part of our community the flag and part of our community. Because some monument is an ounce are docked in Iran especially discretion and so the monument. Dates back to 1926. It's been their nothing's changed flying the civil war this that confederate flag today. Organist humans the most PX is an that in and of itself controversy right arm but you're saying because that's done. In current time that did that perhaps it's not. A memorial to the civil war it's more of a political statement at this point. Thank you doctor thank you times the UNL my alma mater. I actor Mary Mitchell professor of history in mid loads here in new wall and studies that you don't know mine. Obama mater phone lines are open is they're gamers waiting confederate flag and a confederate battle monument. And deal do you see Robert Lee property lead drag down like a statue of Saddam Hussein Jarvis and Barry said that I. I don't think he said that that's what he wanted but he made comparison of that and from. The season. Maybe I am developing an opinion on this maybe I am caring because initially I didn't ism here and more and more these rational explanations. May be ahead an opinion on it but in terms of caring more concerned with tournament do with the a garden and it ripped out completely 753748. Tampered evidently well traffic. Tommy technique on the same here about this issue in in terms. Where it sits on the desk its way at the bottom but it will say this the professor from you know. Kind of helping make sense of it in that. The monuments that the Robert. Jefferson Davis statue which by the way Jordan pointed out Jefferson Davis runs in the market thinking there's two streets intersect. I I can see where you should leave those alone because those were erected at a different time. In terms of the confederate flag now Hadi is you pick that and it dias they will have it's been flying over. A state capital. Since nineteen. 126 then you leave it alone because of Teradata jeweler do you say will today. It's offensive and honey draw the the line between the monument not being offensive and actually now that I talk it through. I'm back tonight Darren because I'm still has confused. I don't feel as though I have a horse in the race and again. You know I got like thirty yards of mud in the front of my house that'd be something went before the neighbors are complain and back in a flash -- W.