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1010pm Double Coverage with T-Bob & Kristian

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The guys talk fantasy football and Derek Lofland of Fantasy Football Maniax joins the show to talk who's worth drafting. Plus LSU Football starts up in less than a week.

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Indeed indeed going to be ready here double coverage our three going strong T about a Christian. Tens of our master control what did you like. About the saints and Texans drew breeze look at sharp run back and return specials markets Murphy playing well Willie Snead made some plays. Or other cast your vote a party that working people on line at WL dot com. Coming up you'll still hear from LSU coach less miles announcing brand Harris. Will be the starting quarterback game week for the by U Bengals and also conversation team out and I had a little bit. We stop evident as we wanted to expand upon a little more on the ever during the break was the backup quarterback position. Who would you key Ryan Griffin or Luke McCown to 60187 the text and 87870. Here's. What will come enters my boring. I feel like so you mention that Ryan Griffin hasn't necessarily separated from the account yeah therefore he's got because of his veteran experience he's gonna have. That he'll get the nod. I feel that you have another young. Quarterback in that one but I feel like Ryan Griffin. Could be a better option or in should be the option quite frankly because. Let's face it if any one of these two quarterbacks had to play because of the Drew Brees injury. How good they really going to be whether and how much difference in play drop off. Would you see from grew. To Luke McCown Orion group and a lot either way get text. In my way so I guess what that tells me is that an account in the coach's eyes is actually out playing Griffin a bit right I mean if and I know it's down breeze goes down the seasons and Burma and respective sports year perspective we get that. We'd be well and I'm sure presume that people would actually be willing to say lose every game. Go get to be drafted and there's no hope left for play offs ratings years that I could play the argument that if that's the point where your. Maybe not right away but that's when you go I get the rookie let's see let's see what time. I see now I disagreed that just because I think too many times nowadays. These rookie quarterback so much it is expected admits reached unrealistic levels. Where everybody is expected to be very good at all the bad that's just not how it works in 99%. Of the time. And quarterbacks I would want to. Stunt Greece and growth. By throwing him in their reporter I mean after the game what does that tell you gonna stunt his growth or could you excel accelerated. It doesn't sound like his guards beat salary you consider after the game coach Payton was talking about how. He's still getting used to the speed of the game not for many players complained standpoint. The speed of the game from an operating the huddle getting into the line of scrimmage heeded the calls communicating the calls like he stable. Is structured data that's completely Angeles on a knock against your grace and that's like the you don't play a liquids in three goes down. We all know the seeds right what does matter if you lose every other game it doesn't because I jab. The coaches can't feel that way they they they should appeal that win and the exit they can't because their jobs. Literally were court he relies upon winning. As much as you possibly can no matter the hand you're dealt no matter and says no matter the set of circumstances. That you're dealing with the so they have to choose Tabasco. And it that is Luke McCown. Maybe. It is it is what it is right it's not an IV it's not about. Because like where's that the grip it's not related future riders in. No army clearly when you select a quarterback in the third round figure Grayson Polly not going to be. And it might be silly team out of some people and I know it and other markets they would be rolled their eyes turn on the radio here in. You talk to let the backup quarterback position but in here in the world's it's a very real. Point because I know I've got a lot of reaction on Twitter. A text line already about McCown friends of mine that it protects me in the game yesterday as to what should. Fans make of the fact that McCown got a lot of reps when he was the first one up after Brees. Was removed after one series and how much do you read it when Sean Payton says. That Ryan Griffin's going to play a lot this Thursday night against. Green Day it's an opportunity for Brian Griffin to showcase. To other look at and may be and you know what may be this whole conversation takes on entirely different light. If they give Brian Griffin the majority of those first half snaps on Thursday night. Now the only thing there is still probably going up against backups. As opposed to starters so YE a little bit harder to judge I just look either way. It's a stop gap right right Griffin or Luke McCown is a stopgap it's not your long term solution via. So then why all did you go with the guy who actually you have started spears and who. I'm guessing at least in the coaches' minds is outperforming Griffin. By a mile marginal amount as he noticed it often give those reps over Griffin so what if by chance you keep Griffin he has a good. It's showing Thursday night yard he got that tape a couple of other. Pretty good pre season he stacked together and then later this year if you're gonna mop of rule you're up by a lot a you wanna you Griffin some snaps to showcase him. Could certainly use if you keep. McCown passed this year next year you're not gonna have a return on the investment unit and all likelihood. Either bring in another quarterback or that'll be the time and handed over to gear Grayson. As a backup. But Griffin if you give them time couldn't use that says hey we're showcasing him in May be upping his value to where we can get something in return not this year. But next offseason. Yes it looked insults. Down theory Google read you have to remember this team loses too much I don't care freeze goes down nine. People won't be happy China painting company turn in a four and twelve season. They might be out the door right you never really know that job security what have you done for me lately. A lot of times coaches slides kind of feel like there's been walking on eggshells aides at the bottom line. They're job is to win its same reason why Sean Payton did atlas enemy in the road game against the Buccaneers last year's today. Are paid to win what other and it neither guys or long term answers edges with a one even if it's a slight chance. Go with the one who increases your chance of winning by just a couple percentage points what are the other professions that as soon as you get hired you basically. A ticking clock as to pay it's not a matter of if you give fired the win they are. And they are highly commentator right it's not coach his team in the athletes themselves and even more for the at the the oddest part about professional athlete is that. Unlike the rest of humanity do things entirely backwards where they make all their money up front they make all their money. At the beginning to there's a short time. For them queue line. To get what they were after our backs a time will Gulfport got a double coverage buddy keep a backup quarterback ever has or account. Archie Griffin because it is an eighty mile Kirk cousins court case in time. And trip showcase them and gives them an excuse for. Well leading gazing four Chase Daniel. Yeah when he left to Kansas City signed a pretty I think it was. She's a three year 99 dollars no ideology that the game you're not gonna do need a club there. Disagree. I disagree with teams so starving. Four quarterback and we've seen guys rule that teams roll the dice on I mean look Ryan mallet was Kamal Ryan mallet was traded. From New England to Houston for a drastic. If Ryan mallet to Malick in pitcher dropping. I think line Griffey can too. Will Ryan mallet though did look pretty solid in his recent showroom with the way there and EM's report had some some solid showing well some solid showings is may have been as good but I way but right now there's also. From a physical specimens standpoint people are in love with Ryan meld two bodies fugitives are. Today in the news and video bail them in here don't look at it. And yet the market like a month. Political. The minutes as well as a lot think about it when acute vineyard. Well. No I mean I just this is my own product when everybody's seen here that you're seeing go with the young option like he's going to be the future of this team record reverend not. Again I guess he dollar seem like Griffin. Build up value that's not that's what I think it for a strategy out of it but a strategic stale boy if he doesn't offer you the best chance to win one of the coaches believe that he doesn't offer you the best. That you've got to go with the veteran that he got to go with a look at India day it's about. Who outplayed whom and who would give you the best chance to win your right T about. If something should happen at the primary was as it's not just the quarterback position but across the depth chart when you talk about. The fourth and fifth quarterback the fourth at this fourth and fifth wide receiver. So you gotta have the same conversation objectively. About the backup quarterback spot Joey Karl river. Bid in May and they'll artist in lake view. And you 22601878. Tech city 7870. What did you like about the seat pre season performance against the Texans and who would you key. At backup quarterback with Luke McCown or or Griffin. So I'm getting a lot of attacks along the lines of like an experience means nothing if he can outperform the other guy and was it Tom Brady's back up inexperienced and all this public. Everybody is gaining a little too hung up on the experience issue Luke McAllen. Is it winning the job right now because he's been in the league for ten years. But the fact of the matter is because he's been in the league for decade. He's just playing better then Ryan Griffin and that's why is when adopt I'm not saying that they're giving Luke McCown the job. Because he's been in the league a long time but he's using that to his advantage throughout playwright Griffin. So busy conversation coming your way Derek Laughlin which opened double coverage on W grew up. Football draft going on all over the place this week and next we had our double coverage fantasy draft just hours ago. Eric Laughlin at Derek Laughlin on Twitter fantasy football maniacs it's with a tax dot com Derek thanks a bunch of time. There in the year. It in the evening and the morning. Next exhibit about an enjoyable different via Derek let's start with this is going to be a selfish question. So I the first overall pick out when Jamaal Charles was at a bad move. That's a great move by I am the number two my leg eat cat ears and beat each other. Are all weapon able through the air and and the ground that it required out. All that you've piqued my interest you say he's number two who is number one in your race. And that's what I that was a low blow that it's Datsyuk I've been hurt. I had no opinion by. Lack of they're all good people over the jacked it was going to be steal an atomic carries. Yeah all. He's gone Derek. At what point would you say in Roethlisberger should be drafted. I think pretty picnic and and well. I think would probably outperformed. That he EP. We got all Ebert virtual. So much that's going to be an exciting thought that a lot that they eat and went back. Get the billboard on the ball. Christian you can use the air yes I was not injured draft but it is an edgy and work as well I don't know. You're a figure what thing that I did fine. Was pretty interesting daily Tim pointed out during the break. Injuries to guys like Jordy Nelson when you see these injuries. To some of the better players in this league. How does that shake up the rankings ending do you start to put more emphasis. On that position group like. I think one in back that you would get their little birdie target so you. A little injury there are for the top you're running. But aptly shake things yeah Heber. Partnership and this one guy now. It impact by. I obviously she really shot. Right into the report of wide receiver to back them up of those guys that one Andrea. Out. Derek Laughlin had Eric Laughlin on Twitter offensive football maniacs. Dot com with a necks and what is branding coax fantasy value. I asked him as Barry I've wide receiver to eke it out. Our wide receiver one outside Drew Brees is one of the multiple actors be. Usually around by Albert your idol watch on a lot about apple. More about you guys' effort to not just on your it is going to be art targets for the books do. It's so one thing I was keep an eye on that a couple of drafts the last couple days of workable that relieves that a man. And in spin in a risk dean watch teen a lot of quarterbacks. Slide much further. I guess and I'd expect I guess what is the value. Of of fantasy quarterback and what is the range where you start looking name in the news again I think it's time did finally go ahead and pull trigger. The reason that is is because once the rules change in 2004. When they're on track. Not that. Shall see what thousand yards deeper and deeper. Until there's a shall I would not so money but what the numbers that. Back marketers wanted. It. Locker error I actors. I concede to map in the third round usually. A quarterback that. Well aren't they got on what other people in the. Yeah. Me. Is only second. Yeah. Increase of one of the numbers I want the number. Chris. Coleman in yours and threats and Dirk what about this do you step away from my computer encryption proceeded to draft. That. And Brian did for me with the filed two takes of my draft class outlook and penalties would you use when you're. Who had done exited that there is a hell hole store all of our. He stepped away during the middle of draft to do an interview. Of these big. Game with drafting that's what you put. In. I am I don't know why I think you're gonna there have been very. And have a back to you very much. Our. They're lauded in the FaceBook well I'll circles or not it has not at that about seeing that you might edit it there in there. OK okay no one I've ever I will eat this slice of humble pies and you quietly year corner. Derek work in what can they find out football maniacs had a fantasy football maniacs dot com. What we have. We have our weak like right into already. We obviously just. An updated that standard every. And then we're gonna have urged our ship our waiver wire are applicable picked up at the end of the week and those are something that we do every week that people cannot do eventually when. What the players are gonna. And I plan that we answer comments are there yet that the people. Derek last one man before we let you go for everybody who has a draft coming up maybe they got one of those top picks. Can you just give us real quick your top player at each position eager just to number one guy teaches and give people some names to keep on the radar. I have Andrew Luck I think the receivers out of there he is or should be. A Olympic they're back this year at running back but it earlier was shot court and I. Is. Comedy series are they gonna get bigger but the guy that has let them in the Ares. Usually finishes in the top three and I think at last year's Michael Lerner. An admirable one and number not on things that you got to legally marry you guarantee. Quality player at wide receiver Antonio well. And that's steelers' offense and I eat in the program under actions a year. And but they like luck and then that obviously. Nobody's gonna come AM. I thought either were suspended for a couple I think he should open Mike. Good stuff Eric Laughlin you could find them on Twitter at Derek Laughlin Tennessee football maniacs dot com we appreciate it Simon. I dared to ease I earnest in lake view you're on double coverage who would you keep a backup quarterback for the saint Luke McCown Ryan Griffin. Are you in particular and yeah how do you know I. Typical whole unit had a conversation. Ought to know who's been Cilic. Of that they should actually is that. Sean Payton well. If it is you lose jet general manager. I mean like getting its. It's it's a process for both sides are working together right I mean nobody. Is making that decision alone but I would imagine that Sean Payton would have alternate veto power right if anybody does that reload when it comes to trades the tree you know were orchestrating trades for epic. That's Mickey Loomis now here's the charge here's the way it's worked a little bit shopping kind of gives. The profile as to what they're looking for the coaching staff on a player to the scouts and focused out there and go out. And do and try to find players that match that profile potentially now earn assesses question is because you saw some shake up in the front office or that scouting department. This offseason you wonder if some of those profiles the lines. With those profiles got skewed a little bit when Rick right rich and you bring in Jeff Ireland. But on draft day I think it's like he not mention it's a collaborative effort hate what do you like better and and I think Sean Payton you know will ultimately say look. This guy fits more our profile what we want and Mickey Loomis is charges then to go out there and pull the trigger on that player that. Fits to the desires the scheme of the profile of what Sean Payton has Connolly out there in the offices that help artist. Our Lola we expect a quarterback they bit. Off. Well look at oh. It was a ball. I didn't like you doubted. Yeah they yell and yeah it fought C interceptions had done enough and experienced group that. I don't okay. My point there or is it is my point in good experience if it is point though. It's not his experience. Is winning hand the job. His experience. He's just used that to play better then right Griffin they're not giving him the job because he's been in the league average in years. They're giving in the job because in their mind when they're seen out of breaking down film. Or at least you know judging from how they broke in on the plane time. The recount is playing better the right Griffin like. I don't buy this argument that Ludwick down is a good sounding board for Drew Brees he needs that I mean at this point. In the in his career for Drew Brees he's just about seen it all right I mean so does he really need another quarterback of that room. That. An average of your dad talk about and I. And I kind of grew them on this point as to if McCown goes to agrees with some sort of made as well I'm seeing it does carry more weight opposed to maybe. Ryan Griffin go the drew re. Aggregate when it went insane right cry you know I mean I at least I don't know I mean if I'm putting myself the right group of Jews. And got run of the breeze merely but I don't that big factors to. The only boy report notes I just plain and that's that's my point it's like. We. Will we get this picture here that says up from 696. Don't bet big greasing could step up. Tom Brady was a young unknown back fourteen years ago. When he gets his chance we had somebody invoked and gates and we had people invoke the name of Tom Brady. And Joseph Montana. While discussing Luke McCown geared greats so let's. All anchor cut yet thank you Tim let's all take a step back there 'cause were. A little crazy I know it's late midnight madness is approaching this might be the craziest. We we've ever gotten. Here in the show but this is my ideal Christian if you can't win the backup job you're not gonna beat Tom Brady. If Griffin is really this this guy with like so much potential who could maybe be that he would win the backup job. Right wolf is it. I mean that's I think he would if if he was really some guy who like you made to chase he's king won the back after. Looting and everything but it Acura who was who he was competing and that's a robe was it in the but it. We wouldn't go to another double play until McCown was although it was pretty it went well though that was that was the week twelve year where he ended up getting cut play for the falcons. It's point 20 my point is that it's a relevant because she did one John. Angered again Brian you're the job just as younger. You're going. As far as like the guy who's gonna make do you just young quarterback you that'll. Figure Greece so out of the recount and anchor news can take who's better. And as it and I haven't said there and broken down on the practice film is an act is you use to read that counts of yes it's Paris. Right to would you like starting NFL quarterback terror OK obviously very good football McCallum in the league for ten years although we start compared. Since starting NFL quarterback a game. If I'm seeing that account I can't hang up with it do you call eight. It is believe double digit career that would years. Okay but in relative. It will like if you want but if you play that game that you can't see any bodies like that ever. These tightly even worse NFL football player is really. Really damn good at football like. What are the best girl literally. It is real and exactly splitting with digital stuck in that filter. And we counted starting quarterback to all that's that's. He Steve out of Christian what did you like the saints Texans game. Drew Brees look there's are a lot of bomb Marcus Murphy playing well third wide receiver Willie's need make its employees. I still dole know where I stand. On the final 53 man roster. But you waited 260187. A tent city donates seventy Oxley. About it yes of course now. Yeah yes please keep it that court as a backup quarterback Ryan Griffin. Our that would count to 60 lights of the text. 8787 double coverage. Double coverage version that team up 6096. Why can't we just have one backup all the text line and 8787 in that being Garrett Grayson. And would be a huge roll of the dice but he goes on to say it drew gets hurt season's over anyway column we keep and I talked about personal bit yeah. Look just can't take that should go you know job security one out. And they could but he would. He would really be. Significant rule of the ice but I like the point. That it that the text or makes it sort of it frees up another roster spot you can use elsewhere whether BO linebacker defensive line. Com offensive line however you wanna however you want a car that now put. Roster pairings come out to ball down the 75 by enemy this the other problem that. Erratically this agency knew was coming and all right and they expect I would imagine at least. They expect here Greece and to be good enough to be named the back of court I need they've seen this coming. Sure a mile away so with that in a quiet in this when he drafted exactly so with that in mind in that extra roster spot. The erratically when it mean that much because they've already built this roster around the idea. Of scary in three different quarterbacks geared Grayson was always on this team yet unless he just showed up was the worst football player of all time. He was always going to make. This team because he was a third round. Yes I ZE card that that was already carved out form who would you keep a backup quarterback for the saint Ryan Griffin. Or Google account real quick and also though I don't wanna force here Greece and action to exactly do you potentially different schools follow on I think that it's it's Lieberman may. But there are so look for every Andrew Luck I can show you JaMarcus Russell looked I issue a two Andre ware. And then you have Russell will eat and he's had a year of points on on both sides of this where. Some people feel like at play right away and it is two different schools of thought and I think so much of it depends on it was easy to Peyton Manning the same way. It was very easy to see right away Andrew Luck was Nabil have the ability to come in and had some success early on as a rookie. Opposed to if Gary Grayson was that NFL ready he would have gone in the third round now. And then it goes circles back to. This coal. Personnel evaluation. Not been an exact science so maybe somebody had it. Woefully wrong or maybe the saints had a willfully bad yeah picking a matter oh. Yeah it I mean. Gary grace of the team I think we will count you baca. Unless I'm just reading this plane to market for everybody's equal and pre season games I watched mean they've looked. Eve and and that's true however if they've played even statistically. In the count as winning that battle to an account has worked almost exclusively against ones but whereas Griffin his words almost exclusively it's two threes in the team. Four hours but he also to counter your point though how can you properly evaluate if he's going to be that guy. That could potentially spell Drew Brees should an injury that Kirk. Give them some work with some ones coming evaluated with. The first team. He hasn't played well enough to earn. I mean right you don't just. You don't just put a guy in that group to see what he can do they have I think you do if you truly evaluate that quarterback position. If Cristiano you earned that opportunity if Griffin. Does well enough. Where the coaches feel you know. He actually be better than Lou. In the back of situation we did we we should get into the game reps with these ones CO2 runs and I'll see was it. A reject a bit bigger Tyrod someone who is earning that job to ask him if he can't win the back of job. He should be your core. Dug into world Gio double coverage to educate. Yeah out to foreign well which are. It is their pot only. They can start. Great turn on the first tour are our. Oh Griffin just. You're the last for easy easy game to Ali that's gonna happen one of those who. Are gonna. What they don't realize that. Carol oracle the ball there they're. Ogilvy. Don't it'll start to record that. Are running windows I've jagr doesn't AI job but to have sure they would that is that is. He's that would those guys. Did that's a squad right I mean you're snapper your holder in your kickers those are three in that area. Yes exactly there you go very I'm sure it's actually similar to some situation that you worked with where they. You can't just plug guys in and out all the time so that their voting tracked no matter how much who come and apply them and. It's always been really Kyle Luke McCown. As the holder and then Thomas Moore says it's kind of in the understudy rule. And that makes sense that makes it died dagger to the falcons meg they gain and testers it was ventures in skiing via the opener yeah he was always the holder when borders Kagan and to me that always the most and did you poverty catch a lot of only they have split during practice and everything else to do you write to specialists are always together anyway. You might as a make that your squad in the nearby I guess it takes away from here they feel will potential Doug what else. Other out in an outline. That the question but the source journal cornerbacks. They've got it struggled there anecdote today you know like seniors got a name term name old order and if they're in Italy this good. Don't make a plea of America. Wolf or so without knowing his name either. That NC who they who exactly they released the Timmy will look it up here darlings. From where Chicago Chicago but. Out Tim Jennings. No and here's here's why answering ending note ten. Here's why the saints are colonel loaded at that spot right now so we would have to be. For a guy like Tim Jennings who's not gonna play special teams is exact reason why they didn't keep Champ Bailey last year. Forgot it's been only as long as Tim Jennings is eagle -- play special teams in unseat delta bro immediately he's competing with delve in bro that. The sins are adamant saying yeah I think this major averages it sounds funny saying that after roll looked like a bad showing. Against the Texans and they they got outplayed the Texans receivers but. I'm still intrigued. As to what a fully healthy saints again are you do now I don't even moderate those words. Well immediately bring out the will the deal would cheer is excellent British it that would that hell is chairs burger and he's not an goodies applause. Haitians. And I know you're sick of hearing it gets one patience is a virtue and the reality is sometimes your little kid. Yes we gained coming Patterson he really wanted to hear you at the state Asians that's what we have to you which year spurt it's still. How long he don't take celebrity one. Right but he split four games are usually national games it is it will with a pro and it isn't gonna season it's. Haven't got she no doubt though that I don't feel right that's out on quality and I've tried to that a year okay but for acting experience. On us now I get my fans are are are going to hold this beaten so he did you fire to get mad if a gains in two this season. He hasn't played or is played poorly then I gave people permission to get mad right now looking at objectively. You signed a pro bowler. Who got her four games in an had a mistress she's bad happens in football like that just happens now. And he starts to miss instead your regular season then I think that anger has a bit more legitimacy. He's although it's neat yeah. Saw yeah I don't see why not man who's who's better than or that I am totally. Convince these he cemented in on this 53 man roster I'll explain coming up next double coverage here on W. Hi to talk about release the do you feel like he's in that it. Rough spot at five or sixty. I mean I'm incredibly. Passionate about it yet I mean if you're talking about two wide receivers. And a guy. So who else Josh Morgan. I know I think he's followed a rise out on the game that certain. Morgan. Well here's here's my argument here's my organizers had to talk about how Walters. Laying out what we liked and disliked and is released he was one of those deals while those players were I've pointed out highlighted that I liked his play. But what does he do that it is unique. What does he off he's not terribly big is not terribly fast yes he catches things that features post do as what she was so my problem is now. When you start to get down to the fifth and sixth is it worth cute because in all likelihood it's six he going to be inactive on game day anyway. And he was out there floating on the practice squad of the Carolina Panthers last year came to the saints when they had some injuries. But with branding Coleman were branding coax. Maybe out would Marques Colston. There's some unique features to Colston you know he's proven Coleman honey coax you know he's proven speed etc. Where it. Coleman it's the size the the that's the that's the attractive party's big guy big target for the quarterback. Width. Joseph Morgan its familiarity with the system and oh by the way. He's your backup should something happen to Brandon cooks it or to be able stretch the field. That's where he can contribute in at least play we still haven't seen Jim Zorn. Note you know really no you're right. You write the we haven't seen it. Joseph Josh Morgan too much meaning either don't know I just don't I organ I gotta get that it's a lot that will least needs on this team because I don't think so I mean and I don't know that he's going to come in. People immediately goalie Ryan do a lot of lay its war while Brennan Coleman people use that against radical and when they say only reminds a lot of Marcus Colston. Well look I've either way. Will replay that compares in game alive and we always went label people. And it's almost always unfair to vote party's right I mean Lance Moore was way more successful. Then Willie seat is up there to release the before. He's you know made it team needed to compare him to a guy like Lance Moore who's incredibly productive. But I just don't see where release he gets beat and you say. Or what does he do specially produces currently sees soda Andy's handers noted Adrian Arrington in the pre season. But would you argue that Willie's he does have more talent maybe that those guys. If the bid and then I would agree with your boy I mean I don't think there are saying he went Eddie Cantor is trying to make his team. Do you say I was not watching. The priest you'd get if you don't quite know he was one of most prolific receivers pre season history from saint must have been great this ain't kept him around for as long as they possibly legally. I'm sure of any theater but I just. I don't know it makes us. Midnight madness. Coming up here a double coverage also you'll hear from Belichick coach less miles this is Debbie did well in math and knock them.