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11-18 7am Tommy, government surveillance

Nov 18, 2015|

Tommy talks to Tim Edgar, a visiting fellow at brown University's Watson Institute for International Affairs, about government surveillance and terrorist attacks.

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I would Tom John Brennan with the CIA saying you know what. Different time. Different tribal war. Americans that are screaming about their liberties being invaded with the telephone records that setter better realize and I'm paraphrasing here in the off but that's the only way are going to be able to date the catch. Terror cells in the country and what's going on. I saw something interesting they can actually. Pause of video game if they're playing. I guess on line. And put a message out there and as many messages is they want in and nobody can detect that all the drilling that was on the news last area of our Melinda isn't also something about this. Snapped chatted as snapped shattered Seagram I think it is very messages up there for seven years does have he has come a long time battle seven seconds and I think is against gram or snapped chance you could. Communicate with each other that way and I don't think there'd be any way to know jets are easily came and went. Or two. You know to surveillance but I would not mind if if the government hands it look at my phone records I guess and I'd somebody taxes and instead. From Tommy you sure you want the government to invest your past particularly beauty pageants well. How little judge well what a lot of these things but that's I don't think they care about that they care about some kind of terrorist cell and in this case. Got to tell you I trust the government John talking about the governor's race which we are. Also talking about in the negative ads and is there any things that you could hear between now. And Saturday. To make you change your mind about who you vote and Lauren and you know I think anybody knows who everybody is. I think is always in a nuisance but go ahead Giambi thing. Well well I have my mind wouldn't be changed but I think a lot of the commercials are designed to make you forget to people more. And when they've been bitter you know exploit the Syrian refugee crisis and try to scare people into voting for him that soldiers who he is. Obama will lay you money what kind of governor. In erupt here John Bell Edwards is done the same thing in this is what irritates me about that. And not try to exploit it he took a position on that but he has not tried to exploit it you know veteran of commercials claiming Edwards was a lot of Obama to bring the refugees. All lives you know but telling people be afraid. Look it would jump L Edwards limit it to my point here. A governor has absolutely nothing to say about who comes in who has stated not. The federal government admits them into into the country. They can go to any state they want this has nothing to do. With that in all it is a non issue. Except it's changing people's minds it's. Influencing their votes it's whipping them up in the panicked about why it. I thank you John lady cult. And again let's talk about substantive issues things that you really can do instead of making stuff up 712 Tommy Tucker coming back. Talking about a mosques and Muslim communities facing extra scrutiny when you know as well backlash that WL. By so thank you John. Ran in. Speaking quite candidly. CIA directors says. You know there's too much hand wringing over intrusive government spying incident leaks about intelligence programs. Had made it harder to identify the murders socio pants. Of the Islamic state he was of course referring to. Communications by Edward Snowden and were released the confidential documents. About the national security agencies meant surveillance of phones. And Internet communications. Brennan's and some other officials sounded eager to reopen a glamorous argument over surveillance in which critics of the spy agencies had signaled an advantage. Civil libertarians are warning that. At just such moments of fear of their government would reach for new and unjustified. Authorities joining us now Tim Edgar Edgar rather visiting fellow at brown university's Watson institute for internal affairs. Good morning sir how are. It could be here we feel very lucky to have you in his New York Times article. You said the debate over surveillance has become too polarized in how would do wise out of how has it become that way. Well I think it's because both sides really invoke fear and make their points on the year hurt. But John Brennan kind of on one side saying hey we been doing too much and bringing over surveillance well. There's the legitimate right to questions about some of these Napster Bergen oversight period. But on the other side you you know oftentimes we get the impression that the Internet today and BG CHQ in other intelligence agency or some Albion where. Obviously they're not they're trying to keep it safe and terrorists and we're just trying to figure out about what they do provide rules for surveillance agencies to do their job while respecting our right so. I think what I said is that we need more about what happened in France we need something like 9/11 commission. That France would set up well with participation in Europe to find out get to the bottom what happened. I'd so I said earlier and it's just my opinion to him that. I have nothing to hide I'm not part of a terrorist cells. Mine communications. And Internet and so forth. Did have absolutely nothing do with criminal enterprise it's that are sold by saying I don't care look as I got nothing now hide. Is that basically a statement that a fool would make. Not realizing what he's opening himself up to. And it goes article you're a person as well that you know our system of government. Art history. Is an idea that we checked and now we we got to be a bucket. So called communication and data. But we wanted to reduce cylinders there are rules and checks and Powell and the debate should really be about what are the right rules. It will still hear the intelligence services. The whole world that you. The ability to do their job while respecting our cars. You know right after this happened die half tongue in cheek because those Lincoln you know where this goes. Lance our producer Jordan and texted him that Willis eventually lead to. Almost a McCarthy like hearings with are you now or have you ever been. Affiliated with nice as sir al-Qaeda and they wanted to name and if in you didn't get my name they presume you're hiding something and I guess it would be an imminent signs New York Times makes references I guess it would be. An example of the polarization or it could anything like that happen in this country again. Well I think at night in that we ought to be vigilant to those kinds of dangers and time of year. Particularly if there were attacked by point oh early this year. Which is certainly possible and I don't think frankly that wreckage. Fiji's anything to do. A lot of nationalities that people become radicalized. Are sympathetic. It is scary thought. That someone you know they'd become radicalized or work with people from European countries could very easily travel year. So we're kidding ourselves that we think that. You know having it be debate about refugees from Syria tiny. Tiny group actually look at the number of people coming and visiting united state it didn't do anything in it. Yeah a couple more minutes as we come back it would like these specifically addressed. I think Donald Trump and some others have proposed increase surveillance. Mosques in the Muslim community and and is that a Smart thing and doers Natchez slump in the good in with a with a bad not only that but like I guess a few bad apples almost him Edgar's their guests visiting fellow at brown university's. Watson institute for. International affairs whole bunch of other stuff too but if I tell you all of that will be out of time 723. Speaking of time and it is time look at traffic. I Tommy Tucker talking to him as your under the WL visiting fellow at brown university's Watson institute for international affairs we. Found him in an article from the in the New York Times was quoted in. Tournament lessons have been learned he says this thing in Paris who we don't know what they are yet. And down I'm just wondering when it comes to increase surveillance of mosques. And Muslims and Mohammed is gonna join us after the break Telus is feeling on this. Is there any credibility there is there any reason to think that would be helpful present. In essence ignoring the First Amendment and sane or second he confused with commandments and quite frankly I. It's but yes it is is that persecuting people for their religion or is that. Teetering on the line of that in order to protect the country. Well it all depends on why they're doing it and what the suspicion. What do counterterrorism expert work and intelligence community would tell me. Is that people didn't get radicalized than those pardon which are basically. Like churches or synagogues and community and the community. They got radicalized. Outside the law in the smaller group of people who said. You know were sickened we wanna do something much more violence much more. Objectionable. To watch in the use of one of these. Well there couple ideas. Exploration by people radicalized. The it has little to do wit and knowledge is the Islam as a religion and more about. The only nation. People dealing. Young men off and feeling it and do it there are because they're am Corey. On and they're looking person kind of meaning and a larger. Golan in the Google. It should be exploited by. People to. And money or are trying to convinced young Muslim men and even some women are just spotlight. But the book and felt so horrible problem. And we puny human intelligence and we do need to be monitoring. Radical groups to try to spot these kind of thing before it happened but. I just think we should be careful about. Lumping you know all mosques incidents. It incredible that. But for a better reason to do so then sure you used an undercover operation in the FBI or you could could could use and tool but. Really what we need to be looking in the local community. As an ally in its fight against terror and and as somebody. That we can use to help us. Understand and spot those trouble and example Iraq patiently. Who would know better than them Tim on I'm glad you spend the time when there really hope we get to talk to you again sure thank you sir is a First Amendment by the way. Right yeah First Amendment has something to do with on that your connecting thank you Tim Ed you're raising hell hole. Ed brown university's Watson institute for international affairs but did get ten. It's anchorman NC it's an amendment in the bill of rights and agency where some confusion would take place to six so when he said anyone talked he won't come back. About where you come down on this one thing I wandered in the and we can philosophy lies about this if you like. Basically people become rattle line radicalized because of hopelessness and spared a young man ism understanding it but that's the case why hasn't. Made the inner city become radicalized one has the inner cities they feel as though that the system is working against them and they don't have a chance why they chose and in essence and I'm not trying to be. Flippant here indelicate to kill each other. As opposed to forming militant groups if you will and and attacking. Other people in the community that they perceived to be there enemy. As ices wood and I'm certainly not. I'm encouraging that an opening and saying anything that nobody else has thought up and I would like to know what the differences. 2601878. Coming back right now time for debit WL first news for that we go to David Blake and tase him getting up at 230 minute alarm goes off is no fun however winning here about the the traffic being back to Lafayette. I feel as though we are very blessed not to have to deal with iris or so I don't think now it could go back to a one of the questions are one of the tanks say get quoting Benjamin Franklin. Different variations and derivation the actual quote from Benjamin Franklin is those who would give up. Essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty. Nor seek safety which is double making it out those who would give up essential liberty. To purchase a little temporary safety. Deserve neither liberty nor safety which might. Apply even more in this case tees so when he says anyone know she added extra attention being placed. On mosques and surveillance against mosques in Muslim. Communities. And the CIA director's seat you know one hand wringing over government surveillance has made it harder to stop attacks. Yeah I agree with Benjamin Franklin or in this electronic age. That Benjamin Franklin I don't think that it Corzine. Are you willing to give up a little bit. To be safer or do you think that the government use of and eventually I guess used against them boarding when Tommy Tucker back in a flash and evidently. 745 quarter till late it is quite simply the hottest topic that is sweeping every corner American concerns. Prices refugee not arise when legacy our prices refugees is that's what they're running from. Syrian refugees being allowed into the country. Now. Thirteen. Memoir here's the refugees are here and. And is centered near presenting its fourteen total six and tanner seven in new Owens and one in Baton Rouge and it's. Pretty close to what it is and they say it's gonna take eighteen months to vet each one of dancing casing and have a hell of a crisis on your hands. At the Turkish Syrian border against. How many good morning your WL. I'm glad you call. I am I doing from your name you're Muslim. I'd tell me the other side of this and when Donald Trump and John ran in talked about increased surveillance I think trump was sealed when talking about. Muslim community and mosques why does it offend you so much in line has its own necessary. The child and the joke outburst about that joke affecting you can't like against the First Amendment. Letting cameras inside the ma reap prairie. How how we like people cameras and our churches our Ben ball off or not. By air and it could not mark. We have to be a security on the. Trump said cameras urges surveillance. Center. Hell kept saying we stand out here at ease and America because. I'd. Got side. I'd. Keel mostly month on the than any. Group far and away more and more. So I can't say here partner. I'd get it right at any and I think. Fear is Mohammed debt. Ice is would use that. As a way of of getting some. Some of their operatives into the country take advantage of of those refugees in this. Two it's been. We make that it now passport certainly there and packed sport and year. Tell me half a person's whole body. To pieces of the passport. There's not a patent about our attack on. Well I don't I don't think there's any conspiracy there I don't know. Physics award engineering principles behind an individual blowing themselves up but I do you know they said that in terms of identifying one. And not to be. Grow grocer grotesque here in the morning but they use the fingers they found a finger in from that they get the fingerprint. And that is how about. Brought. Said. A pretty. Bobby Jindal. The product net. AMP being denied that there are immigrant to. Well its ability to Syria and what the country. Of course you're not from. Apple bit on India Turkey and India QB well. In Louisiana. Com. You know first off. That's a federal decision just keep it accurate and an ending governors and scream and cry and and grandstand only want to once somebody's in the country. And go to whatever state they won just like cure I can. Let me ask you this Mohammed for for so many people attacks in. And say. Any Muslim moment be happy until late kilo Christians and establishing their religion around the world in that the Korean says that. I've never read the Koran. Mom refute that formally. I if you wanna refuted I presume you do. It. Lowers a lot of text him in and say you know what you do some research read the Koran it and automatically. Says Stewart heed calls for all. Muslims to defeat the quote infidels and that you are any other Muslim if you blow a practice that religion and read the Koran world will never be happy until you wipe out all Christians. The secrets. That that's true. Did that before. If you red green. I can't hurt and is an immigrant bluntly. Put it on on just being honest obvious. It occurred had you are now. So what did you parents tell Yuba Christians as you were growing up for people are not Muslim. Or Terry. How solid sheet all cheat and the thing that's in most of our equipment that badly just because their current then. Keeping at it because there. Then at eight or cheap and that our mark. And could under the bed and apparently. Have you come under any. Scrutiny or negativity in your dealings with people since Paris. They are having an aggregate at school all the wired terrorists come up a lot. So are understandable outward perished there at. All my email and are they here. And it must doubling him they're. Based already ignored will cut. But they are joking with the you know yet. It. From from the Muslim equaled terrorists thank you Mohamad and lady called text comes sentences take that blink off the year. See that is exactly using devices would do because they wouldn't want. A different opinion from the Ayers being heard 751. You're welcome Tommy Tucker definitely way. Time for traffic and I Tommy Tucker take your calls about Syrian refugees and about given up a little bit of Padilla privacy let the government go back to pre Edwards Snowden. NSA surveillance notre keep the country safe corners and road morning. Good morning the quick comment on it odd that. You were pleased with the previous all our fault it but it comet. Seen that yet in a lot of credibility that. Well and easily pleased Curtis. Cement. It did Diller about a just and around tell me what you Tomiichi Wednesday. Well. When you asked him as the red but you'll read spears specific date on that say that you do that he let it rip for it. And you left it at that and I think that's one of the great. Mystery. This religion and a lot of the more liberal American culture we have the yeah the idea that a lot of normal decent credibility. What I really. Understanding is that true statement that had you read the Chiron earned separate portion of the coral or not read crime covered up. Beaten on closure I am a Christian but. That the I. And how do you know what it says if you haven't read the whole thing and I'd say enough for anybody here but. You're trying to impeach. Mohammed's. Called but yet you say you're not you don't know what the Koran says that rescued in regional thing. It gauge since. It you specifically economic knew how did you beat writer you know well but I haven't read it I haven't I ever read that my but I know the principles but it. I know I haven't read the Bible but I know the principles with which I was raised by my parents now. How do you know that the Koran says since you're saying in my common did nobody was talking about that the Korean says. What about killing Christians are taken over the world what had. I got the translation that both English Arab. And it sure shot the I'm prepping right international scripture force that would be. In it this is essentially. Wouldn't it. A Muslim have been apple not neighbor to neighbor but Muslims in baton. It it's all about striking that net. I'll read it very briefly you like so when you meet says it is. Believable way does not found Koran is a translation that you say you have from whom the current but it's not from Randy to read. Hang on I'm forced to hang on you need tuning in Kabul take Curtis continue with him when we come back and other WL.