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2/5/16 8:10pm Double Coverage with T-Bob & Kristian

Feb 5, 2016|

The Saints decided to part ways with Defensive Captain Brandon Browner after just one year. Was Browner the worst free agent signing of all time? What does this move do for the Saints cap situation?

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Coach going on you know welcome and writing nice. Party girl weekend here on double coverage keep up a bear sitting in the host seat tonight KG is. Continued his week. Or are as you'll not be join us tonight to believe. We might have them and spear a little bit later in the show for eggs eggs as we never actually lived in round two last night. But we do need to decide this week and our final round pick six will be taking the sea wall and five prop bets go along with David kinda. I guess provide some killer. And do you ever is at the bottom of the rankings. Following the Super Bowl on Sunday will have you get. A Brazilian wax KG currently seeing it's three games behind it's go to be. An intense divest a little bit later in the show we've got. Privilege of freed today am like like look let's all just be a part about the situation Friday night prayed weakened. They mean people listen to radio but if you want to listen got a lot of good topic is busy. Couple of days here locally despite the fact that. The Super Bowl tends to dominate all headlines at this time but in this first hour do you wanna keep it local wanna get into the brand in. Browner situation Browner of course. Rod tweeting and she Grammy dead Canada farewell to New Orleans leading people believe that he will not. Be back next season and well. I have them I have mixed feelings on this. I think that Brandon Browner. Did a lot of negative. But I think there was it may be a bit of positive. That we never got to see it look I'll overrule all set the stage. Would Browner and Browner zone words here is led Brenner wrote on its Arab League was yesterday a truly did love the city. Really wanted to do well for the 50 for some of the best people best hospitality and and the city it will show you a good time how could you beat dad. Again true friends in the city. I appreciate the opportunity the saints gave me. My teammates I enjoyed can work every day grinding with his group first class organization pop down. Coaches that the equipment train stepped to the cooks in the kitchen. Of course kids to distributing conditioned team greatly. Appreciated. Or rather graceful kind of exit firm Browner. Especially considering it's in the exit that we season. Lately from saints players and it almost makes you said in a way. For com. I guess for what could have been right I mean I think back to the excitement this summer when brown was signed. You knew about the penalties. He's still believe that he could be. A key pieces team I mean you go back to back Super Bowl champ. You were in desperate need in for any sort of help in that secondary and he was you know I guess of people viewed. As the best available. However. Unfortunately. Is obviously ended up not being the case. It should be noted that although it may be hard for us to see. Because of the penalties because of some of the drama that he was involved in just because I'll portly great chapter of the year. Brent was doing something right. Gives the like there's no other reason why the coaching staff and his teammates would have continued to have his bags or the reason. That he would have kept the captain's patched row the year despite foreplay and public controversy it's I guess guys is to set because. There's a lot of Koreans who you know obviously very upset and rightfully so. This season but I'd also seen a bit of a tendency. For fans to lung brain and Browner in which someone like junior Colette. And I don't think this is entirely fair to brown area first off BB exited he is down with a lot more graced the junior did and even have graced us and always describe how Browner acted. This season. I don't think that. I suppose. I don't think it was maybe as negative as of an influence as some saints fans would have you to believe so with that said right look at kind of mixed bag that they. It was the appropriate move. I think it's kind of sad because he really did want to succeed in this city and it just wasn't the case and it's nothing personal or. I think we have to ask illegitimate question. In that aids is Brandon Browner. The worst free agent signing of all time we'll get it at this hour that you would traffic update coming up right now at thirty. That the fifties double coverage WB LAM after the dot com Judy evolved X that's. And he Timmy Timmy your call us at five before 26018. Said. And Jim this may be. Worst bumper music you've ever come back with subject. I don't know I don't who sings a song I assumed the name of it is renegade. Where have I heard so much recently is your car is their car named a renegade they've been showing commercials work. Either way M I'm in need some better progress in Asia I know it's Friday. And tomorrow night or all little checked out be at least get a gimme some. To get as excited for this weekend so I'll look for the break welcome back to program for stuff. Teed up a barrier hanging out the Friday night eight to midnight man Timmy Zimmer hold down behind the glasses well Hercules but often dismissed him. I would talk to Brandon Browner here and our number one. Browner. Cut them again on social media as saying goodbye. To the saints essentially and I think it's a fair question to ask. Is Brandon Browner the worst free agent signing ever get a lot of numbers I don't wanna dive into. It's gonna make the case welcome Arum. Which in all three decide they'll schedule eriksson's team try to for the advocate coming on. Here in about fifteen minutes he gives his opinion on brand a brand but first let's hear yours. Would you go to the both lines final four to 60187. Hits his trade. On a cell phones about Browner in the raw end of the deal Trey what's up man. It's. I think there's a lot of things to look at them if you look at ago. We had. To be etched on one quarter yes they hadn't eaten at the position. The end high. So it's really. Expecting the worst treatment on camera in Jason. And beat by talk. Darrel since they have zero Jason David maybe it's because adding all the saints. As closely. And the time it like I can imagine Jason David being bad it. He's real or. Is there really any way that he could actively hurt his team as much as Brandon Browner did. I mean that's where is the Browner can. You have that but yet we brought it to beat that guy. You wouldn't quantity. Oh. It is going to be let's that's a receiver and I mean instead cornerback Brandon recovered a bit big time receive an all. Look you had a bit of expectation for Browner as well I mean if we end and they give for the culture it's a coma for and you have a great. Mardi Gras night played it do you think back I mean nobody really expected. Galvin wrote to be the starting quarterback credit was always going to be Keenan Lewis. And Brandon Browner and really why Browner season was so disappointing and wasn't. The penalties although look at those were actually terrible. To a head in dive in. To some Brandon Browner numbers. He incurred 24. Penalties this season that is I record. Since they started tracking this at bat in 2001. Steal looking at about a decade and a half worthy of NFL players and nobody. Ever commit more penalties then did. Brandon Browner this season he was the captain of a defense. That set NFL records for opposing passer rating allowing opposing quarterbacks. Post one and six team ratings on average they shattered. The NFL wreckage record for passing touch at the lab giving up 45. They've finished dead last in points allowed did last. In yards. Her play in here is where you may be getting Q Browner. Entering the conversation for worse I mean never is because. Of how the team was hurt. By his performance at times saints gave up 541. Downs by penalty in 2010 team. Just for some perspective. They started tracking this day in 1980 once we got about 25 years. Worth of data. The previous high for first downs allowed by penalty from the saints was 38. In 100211. So from 38 to 54 you're looking at almost eight double. Even have an average of 3.3. First downs by penalty per game. In a league work in just make all the difference to where you're splitting hairs. Is it gives you winning division and I'm not going to play else. Debt is almost. Insurmountable some 541 album penalties in 2059. He. Of Brant brown first 24 flags. Resulted in a first down four pound. So the saints had a team high. With 54 in roughly the 4245%. Of those 541 downs. Came from Brandon Browner alone. Now. The only thing about the penalties it is kind of interesting Browner. Is it this should not. Have taken saints fans by surprise in fact. He had made a habit of doing this when Browner was in New England he had the exact same effect that they won the Super Bowl. They actually set a team record. 41 downs given to opponents through penalties and he alone on that team. Average or he gave up twelve on the year so while he was much worse this season it wasn't wholly on precedent. So wide game it's you knew about the penalties going into it. Why then are people so upset wide then what even asked the question is Brandon Browner. The first of the worst redesign of all time when he basically came as advertised. Well here's the rub right it's that. He was also advertise it's still being you know he ate it pretty good quarter. That he would be able to match up with. Jim the bigger guys fill some holes and be be be a legitimate second corps at least and gets it with the saints had. And the plans for him. Unfortunately. Brandon Browner and coverages year. Was just absolute. Hero and I mean really use pro football focuses. Lowest rated corner. In the entire NFL. And that's where it becomes a bit shocking is that it's not looking at a couple good games when he was in the right situation had to Craig tell. He did do good jobs against some guys that Calvin Johnson in pretty solid game against. The Andrei Hopkins but. When you look overall. Brant brown is targeted 87 times this year and gave up 56. Catches. 56 of 87. Many mathematician that is well over 60% for 800 in 93. Yards just give you some perspective. Browner targeted 87. Gave up 56 catches dealt them bro was targeted 78 and only gave up 37. Catches. For bit over 500 yards now for some further perspective I think I am pro actually finished maybe number twelve on the pro football boxes. Top quarterbacks in the entire league and the weirdest part wraparound to is that it wasn't just. The single route hours certain situation. That seemed to be getting to him. It was everything in this is why kind of thing that he just had losses step in that it was. The signing was on was doomed from the stars are on go routes he gave a five of them. From mr. your argument used to pay immediate curls quarterback to thirteen to seventeen and routes. Cornerbacks eight of twelve out routes to at least five bay post three of five slant it's eight of fourteen so well over. 50% or any rabbit she is someone who is playing. Over their head. Now because it was so bad that does is kind of begs the question. Was it all Brant brown as well. I'm not so sure infected don't feeds them mean as Mike Triplett from espn.com points out. Brown was as advertised you knew about the penalties used a big body who's good in certain magic jets it's exposed. By smaller pastors pastor. The issue with the saints. A lot of that at least lied in how they used Bradley used in the ways the Seahawks and patriots did. Brain Grammer is best when used in spot roles I'm number one in kind of every down corner he's best when you're kind of masking his weaknesses. And highlighted strains. And when the same state that this season. Like you said in the game the Detroit game Texans game it actually worked out pretty well if you lose on a big body receiver which safety help. Over the top. The that was the minority. Rather than the majority of the season as far as the positions. That Brandon Browner was put him. Now that too though as much zone won him kind of assign a portion of the blame. To the saints' coaches step for use him in those situations even dare occasions where bid tied. Because of injury. Succumbing next year and double coverage gets your text aides and aides interviewed your calls by before and 601. 87 you know further explain if you want put the blame game whatever. What went so wrong with Brant brown and how did he keep this war. We traffic updates from martyr coming up here in about 22 two men. About six minutes to talk to jolt Ericsson saints writer for the advocate dot com. Two oldest rate is double coverage and WB LAM after him and John. Did. Coming up this and Super Bowl Coldplay beyoncé Tug of Carter Bryant last night would go weird. Odd odd mixture like banana man race in which I'm. Tree as Abbott forums implant. Aren't let's go to the phone lines to get Jeffrey in Annandale want to weigh in number and Browner Jeff what's going on man happy mark every Friday night. It is private and I am afraid it. I think every now and I think a lot of the credit you're probably. A bit of immediate. One of these apartment run it is old rule. I was called veco. Yup one that's being phased out of it. Yeah yeah I went whale. There were reasons kind of sensitive with cricket what that would that would. Little soft and got Wilson. He covered. It was you have. Government or you would you have survived you can Afghans who collection quarterback. Step up as down beat beat beat the field play. When we when a quarterback Matt but it won't matter in. They do don't they won't go that way. Hours or so artists to kind of boil it down the Jefferson what what's your take. I'm Brandon Bradley you kind of feel like yup the raw end of the deal was like we're his struggles with a more his fault was it more than teams fall what do you think. It was a combination of bolt a fit when he was with Seattle and ten and our New England. He had who couldn't have been personal habit yep Michael Barrett went without Seattle. And what are knowingly use their fault or our wolf for attention or you know. Yet Nagin Mitch yeah military New England never it never gets talked about the New England consistently. Has a very good passer. Yeah I mean. Accuracy. Sometime at the top talent around you around certain players. Make that certainly Pitt plays the competitive. Sometimes what do you we would it is. Apparent that the political system play here. Yeah I mean an end dates of the call Jeff excellent call I I agree demand look if you wanna try to play the blame game you try to figure out what exactly went wrong. With him Brenner I do believe it to be a mixture of components of the older. And he lost a step. I think that team was guilty abusing him incorrectly but it also forced to use an entry at the time because of some injuries to me it's like he just made the bad luck gumbo. It really calm did the option where you live for instead of hiding his weaknesses and highlighted straits kind of highlighted. His weaknesses in it his strings. It's still a lot to our. Linemen Justin almost made a pollen in. Jules at Jules A Ericsson hunter safety writer for the avenue Q what my after Joseph it's going comment. They yeah. Good pay to take some time out here Friday night a very festive Friday night we are discussing Brandon Browner in the kind of back and forth whether or not he might be the worst free agent signing of all time. Needless to say Angel this year when varied Corley. For Browner. I guess I'm asking your opinion as to why you think Iowa it's. Of the law in shorter. He knew you weren't huge. Screen. And he'd bring him in at a cheaper thing or whatever. Contract could not by years. No cupid. The quarterback market last year and saying you're back in looked at it that did you it'd be. Power and if that happened. And their relative to your corner. The thing on earth. The year you were part remote. Jeremy Renner. Did I know that is. The problem with that is that. You have to commit here or for Iger did. Or whoever however. And that her in a game on any time as a player you're four seen your coaches in that sort one dimensional decision making. You're you're content hamstring in the team's bid. Yeah I mean anything is you know we've been. The ball thought that her look in buffalo. Well there ain't me remember there was one game. Are trying to remember who words they're going game. They did that migratory. Don't know yet and amber told me it game that basically 85% of the time. He was in use heated over the top out so. The line and a lot of retreat where you know we're here in the game and you wonder there are street. Darted to Ole Joseph lawyer sit at Agile a Ericsson on Twitter be brighter for the advocate and jewel now all of them Browner is on the scenes dad's money will increase. But I'll five million I. So I actually thought they were not going to be able to part ways around her beak is. Just the salary cap situation. And where his contract stood at was this aid prudent decision. Like. I don't know how you rule was is the correct call to let Browner got. Arctic though. You know there's your point were required. Where it is not an orca situation you bought it yet let them go they do you think there are taking that money on. Nobody likes to take that money on it genocidal. But the flip side. Even though there money they don't say. Close a million dollars against the salary cap idea. The justice of the money they can't use. It. Anyway and he's not seem like. The players like it here and human captive. By it in that situation next year or a corner news keeping him around is. Because of your salary. Does he go from being players that players like you. A player on the problems you know so little. Obviously Leo we on the personality can you also. Struggled things. It once you decide to make may eco players. You have accurate and figure out the rest of financial later. Until that is gonna gonna ask you about his I thought that he really graceful exit and down you can be with what he self line you can be cynical NC Leah. Aid so much money of course he should be like delegating out to be ridiculous and I agree with you we'd seen. Players split in worse ways. What do you think they asked me exactly right junior. What what do I think lasting memory though where it gets kind of reputation Browner will be. In seems mines as far as it gets even kind of how he acts all the dealer what he most be remembered. So I think there's I think there's probably disconnect between and remember him I think amber yeah and Sam's order fans and media. It became obviously kind of a lightning rod for science and wait a lot of players though. So I think for them that's what you get to get rid moment I think for the team now. I think that even with some of the locker room be able. I mean actually don't think there's anything we never got intimate thing going. Which in the scheme what are they kept hearing. During the summer there talking about how much they loved it leadership that. Everything like that and I obviously like you say is its statement going out very gracious. Especially considering. All the heat he checked all year he could have gone differently with I think that we in this organization. I think they're probably regretting the players signing I don't poker great characters sign it much because the beast like that signals all. He was he was really well liked among Shiites. Yeah I mean I I completely agree man I don't think you get that captain's Pat Brown did you retain it like to hold on to that captains patch. While you're having. One of the worst seasons in NFL history I think that kind of gives you some perspective like you schedule and how he was viewed. By his teammates by everybody working in that building. A jolt. Who is next right when you look at. Potential. Kept casualties coming up. The net oil or read David Hawthorne Colston Strief Spiller bird Evans Mort like there's a lot of people the could potentially throw and that makes it view had a gas. Which contracts needing the saints are looking. I think Hawthorne and obvious on its maps really law. Another guy there teammate like the I think he plays on defense I think he can play singles that's on defense expects the last eight games. And he's you can save two and a half million by. I gave him I think that's an obvious one. Ellerbe. Other guy who played really well. But there's four point five million dollars caps in plain Jane so. I expect something happened there. Where he future at least there's reductions might. And obviously looked ago. Marcus Colston what word you know they want him. And in Hamburg. Financially or trying to unlikely. That in I think. Particularly. I think keep Chica and it might not think it really Jahri play pretty well urged. To retrieve game you know. I think the linebackers are probably probably obvious shipments partly we've all known for awhile there's a good chance to seek a better. To cajole players in Jules A Ericsson on Twitter saints beat writer for the advocate Jules go enjoy your Friday night my friend thank you for join. Aren't meant ED EMU. As subjects. For us to show on in batteries and talk about Brandon branch on its unmanned Chia. AP Marty go to. Use. Yeah. But Rainer Browner out wondering. What he's someone that brought wind pushed hard to get aren't that chomping on the limits and wanted to more. You know I like I can't say with any sort of I look I I can't answer that question with any sort of concrete factual information now. If I'm to kind of assume outside looking men. I you know may look him may be Ryan really liked him but bottom line that triggers not getting pulled without Loomis and without Peyton. Both feeling awfully about the situation and both agreeing to was it amid signing. Absolutely I mean obviously right he's pro football folks is worst corner and made five million dollars a year. But this saints word desperate like if we go back in time. And we inner time travel machine we try to remember. The perspective in this situation that new world is operating out of wind they may deciding. There was no del hombre right. I mean there was no PG a woods he's got like days. Desperately needed some sort of better and reinforcement in here you got a guy. Who was yeah he commits a lot of penalties that he was coming off of that Tibet Super Bowl wins like surely. He had to be better. Then what ever you currently had unfortunately. That just ended up not being the case a look at what this signing in hindsight and that is you know how we judge everything and yeah rightly so just the reality of business. One hindsight looks absolutely terrible. I mean if I can even check the tape from my issues at the time photos could move that is really good new. I mean I'm very much on record as saying he secondary consisting of Browner Lewis burdened with Karl sounds like there could be something there and fortunately. I don't think I realized. Maybe. I don't think I realize how much you Browner kind of lost seven that was the most surprising partly it was it was the penalties. It was just have weakened annually got torched by opposing receivers. Radio show on borrowed Yemen. I. Am gonna have a great Friday night. This is the kind of sad part. About the Brandon Browner situation in in my opinion to him is that saints fans are going to remember him. Very poorly rightly nobody's gonna like like Jason Day like amongst that level of notoriety against. Seeds and he will go down as one of those kind of names that. Look at discussed comes on their face in the big about it but it's sad because. I think he really. Really really. One aide to I wanted to I think he wanted to succeed. And he wanted to make New Orleans love him and make it his own distinct vetted him. Browner is a true journeyman football player CF fell. To the NFL. Jumping around teams in the unit fell despite live when he jewels. And finally at 31 years old after a life of grinding grinding and he gets the big contract in the Big Easy the Crescent City and he's so excitedly. He's gonna come in here to make it city is an example. They love their football players you're right. He works as well after the summer Edwards is doctor camp to the point where is he makes vote him captain. Unfortunately sometimes the mind is will lean. The bodies weaken I think it's you ran into a little bit this season and it ends with them. And him. Just a guess being forced out of the place where he finally thought that he gets his roots. Still coverage traffic updates coming up next animal wrap up our number one here do prevail if Matt Damon. Donyell welcome back. Double coverage here on the league since game one of directory and speed up and Tim hanging out with the old night a year until midnight here in one. We're discuss Brandon Browner as. He has bid adieu. She's the city of new Portland it's Graham post that read quote a truly did love the city. Really wanted to do well for the vital force him the best people best hospitality and food in a city ocean you'd good time how can you beat dad. They had true friends in the city. Appreciate the opportunity to saints gave me my teammates. Jordan can org every day grinding with this group first class organization top down. Coaching staff equipment trains to two cooks in the kitchen. Every at the strength and conditioning team greatly. Appreciated too gracious exit for a player who was not always. Viewed as that gracious to me Tim if I ask you what the wind net. Defining memory of Brandon Browner will be from this last football season what would you say it is. All monitors. And receiver okay well that is true that is that is that's got him printed. In its engines mind as they sought a lot this season number 24 penalties. On Browner that is the most since they started tracking netstat in 2001. Nineteen of which resulted in first downs for the other team and that's probably the most offensive thing. The Braddock did from win loss standpoint. Is that on top of getting berms and actively hurt the team. But really the the memory to meet him and his wife kinda sad because like I said. Be in the journeyman and ideas I think he truly truly wanted to succeed here you want to play and his roots he won this. And based in the city to you know it's love him and I just wasn't the case and it seemed like wind things started going so poorly. He's getting dominated. And the ease continue to get penalties in the team's losing and he's hearing all the noise from the public from the media in all kind of culminated. In that Washington Redskins. In that unfortunately Tim the will be the lasting memory of Brandon Browner is. This screenplay. Where he has chance to make the tackle in the instead. He takes cheap shot on an offensive lineman drawing a personal now and the crazy part is he was already getting penalties. And it's angry but at least they were. Legitimate penalties right hole like defensive whole team that's in appeared they were penalties. That word incur in the line of duty I suppose it's this was Browner. Stepping outside of himself to commit a penalty this was Browner. Giving up a place stepping outside of I guess for in the rules of competition. That they get cheap shot commitments of that. Will be is lasting memory now Tim is that enough to make in the worst. Three aides sided of all time let me ask you look apparently all seems to enter into Jason David Sokol I don't Mervyn days days. He's they did have eight interceptions in two years. Brandon Browner one pick in the collected passes your boat is Brit brat worst in this one. Elvis car bock man named the sick the rape and sign and the year after and they cerebral five years thirty Millie game eleven mil guaranteed. He lasted one season with the ravens. ATI. Ulcer brown reports that he heard the legacy or bock was dead. Mean you're actively her into Daryl gardener who Broncos to those three signed a seven year 34 million of five million dollar signing bonus. Started two games never had a single cent. That's pretty poor once again though. Not too much money there and maybe now actively hurting the team on your rise in its contract and to miss more time pro bowler. Odd years seventeen million dollar at the time that was the highest paid receiver. In NFL history. Colleges towards him as was released after one year still was caught at deep balls that still getting something. Out of it and relatively inexpensive. By today's standards this one's pretty crazy. Jerry Porter to the jaguars team members don't reporter six years thirty members in 2008. Million dollars guarantee. He played one season and caught eleven balls so it is absolutely no production. Do remember guy Watters hereby name Albert Connell he played in 2001 he and a five year deal for thirteen million dollars. He was cut in week twelve because he sold stole 4000 dollars from district Alice is well. Now I have heard that some that is. Our balance kind of our defense and heads beds definitely up there were the worst of all time may be because of the absurd idea. At this the raiders lick in that's in the house would you have bad three deals the raiders to browns in the Redskins continues to pop up but Javon Walker. This is such a raiders deal six years 55 million dollars sixteen million. Guaranteed. Jamie he collected 21 million over two years while playing in eleven games do you know how much do you how many balls Javon Walker caught in those two years. Cut fifteen balls for 21 million dollars that is L of A I guess. Money. For production and kind of rate there. At the end of the day though I don't. I guess to Bob Walker actually would put in him Browner. You know once again and he's now actively hurting the team and then we get to the redskins' terrible terrible history. Dana Stubblefield in 98. 36 million dollar contract seven sacks in three years Adam Archuleta 2006. 35 million dollar ten years he played one season. Before being engaged and released Deion Sanders that. Seven years 57 year contract to the age of fifty at age 33 what is Dan Snyder doing. Played one season and retired before coming back with the ravens of course. The only person on this list and I believe beats Brandon Browner in this category. Albert Haynesworth still has to be the top worst free agent signing of all time. 100000007. Years biggest contractors into player ever. 41 million gear indeed that's the expected there. Never did anything with Washington so I think brandy brown or might actually be the second. Worse read signing of all time one hour in the books. Three hours ago my friends coming up next hour we will talk some analysts view as. We ponder the future. The tigers offered to court double cup.