Mar 18, 2016|
Could Medicaid expansion actually save the state money? Governor John Bell Edwards earmarks it as one of his top agenda items for the legislative session already underway.
WWL’s Kristian Garic, Seth Dunlap and Jeff Palermo talks LSU baseball as the Tigers continue their campaign in the NCAA Baseball Regionals Saturday in Baton Rouge against the Southeastern University Lions with WWL callers.
WWL’s Kristian Garic, Seth Dunlap and Jeff Palermo talk LSU baseball as the Tigers continue their campaign in the NCAA Baseball Regionals Saturday in Baton Rouge against the Southeastern University Lions with WWL callers.
WWL’s Kristian Garic, Seth Dunlap talks LSU baseball as the Tigers continue their campaign in the NCAA Baseball Regionals Saturday in Baton Rouge against the Southeastern University Lions with WWL callers.
WWL’s Kristian Garic, Seth Dunlap talks LSU baseball as the Tigers continue their campaign in the NCAA Baseball Regionals Saturday in Baton Rouge against the Southeastern University Lions with WWL callers.
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So my question is now and look I have a little bit of a dog in this race in the in the sense that. My mother's not eligible she's she's handicapped she's stood on disability should not eligible for Medicaid in net under this. This guidance from the governor she could become. Eligible and it's a burden. In a lot of ways not that's that's a bad bad phrase for your mother of about some of that cost him but he did. Beating afraid alone absolutely man and well and I believe that she's eligible under the expanded Medicaid. That she would be in the group where. Until December. The feds will fund it at 100% ready yet and 95%. Rate at bats and that's what's keeping you gotta be able. How could you know but expanding Medicaid putting war. Government money you're spending more money how could that end up saving you money but there's a few different ways. That that happens when you go to right now. Yet well. Yet here we go through dabble one of the things I found extinct as you talk about the idea that's what governor Edwards trying to do is come up we know the budget shortfalls. But. As more and more people roll the program is a thought that it could end up costing the state. More money and it's happened in other states like Kentucky where they they underestimated how to be able ultimately enroll in the program it. Even even in Kentucky when that happened all they did was they still saved money they just in to save as much money as they thought regionally writes in the estimation and could be off a bit when you start to look at and I and I'm. A gay couple arguments as to why he should expand Medicaid a bit later but it it's or to argue against it with the numbers that we your being given so. Out is expanding Medicaid save money for the state currently Christian. You mentioned there's two key groups to consider when it comes in the state paying for people. In the Medicaid program in that first group. That's people who were eligible for Medicaid under the state by you help program that's right now. The Medicaid that you could be getting. Why this is significant because in this first group the feds only paper 62%. Of the cost or this state pays for 38. The second group that made the expansion. Population. This is there did there L Boca arm covered by their jobs. And there are at 138%. Of the federal Paulo's poverty that's all we have that's a little bit. Mean you shed that you know doesn't really apply unless you're trying to figure out if your eligible or not but why this is important is that this second group. As 100%. Federal funding until December 1 and like you said after that. It's 95%. In the few years ago down to 90% but that's where it's gonna stop so. What the government wants to do here locally. Is viewed as many people from that first group. Where your pain for 38% in the cost to the second group reviewed papers you're prison costs need to be paid for just 5% of the cost next year. So when you look at under the current estimates that they have. Shifting the current Medicaid participants to into the expansion group. You can receive potentially 25 million dollars. Just from movie over from group one group two and how sure are they right now right there at the new updates enters the budget. So that's that some of the big news came legislature today is I guess one is kind of good and for the current year bad news as what we originally thought was a 35 million dollar shortfall. Has grown to seventy million dollars for Paul because of so mom. Reworked. Estimation. And some cuts that were beat at about four million dollars worth by governor Edwards. Cereal again it's seven dog trouble this year however. I'll be 800 million dollar shortfall for next year has actually been bombed out at 750 which. It's better than nothing and in an if you wanna be optimistic about it all the estimates at the beginning for the potential revenue. These tax hikes are going to bring in. They aired on the conservative side Betsy Wright because they don't want to. Have a compact and we use that we're gonna make his run and we did we play and is likely in my and so there's a chance that these taxes could bring in more money than we think. That's going to be you know impossible to know. Until you get the actual numbers in imports leave it at the numbers. Until after you've already had to play and the budget to Canada. Not an ideal situation there so. Glenn Beck to Medicaid the first wave can save money ex guys switching people and expansion. Population in the second way is just reducing. Payments for uncompensated. Care great. Currently. Louisiana as high number of uninsured people who go to treat seek and seek and seek treatment at hospitals. And when you go to these safety net so are we talked to and for reed the nine safety net hospitals here in the state which treat uninsured patients. Well Dan has the scene 6238%. Breakdown. That the first of Medicaid as a basically the State's pain for 38%. Of that on uncompensated. But that I got a great so if you're able to. Expand Medicaid gate there's people insurer on Medicaid you're going to look at that 30% become a zero. In Indy five. And that's what you that potential savings of 37. Point seven. Million dollars. Reducing payments you can also reduce payments to help help these safety net hospitals cover their cost. This is currently most of cape writers estimated Medicaid only covers between sixty. In 70% of the cost of the state makes up the difference. If Medicaid is expanded. It did that more that that Horry moves a little bit no cover more than 70% of the costs which is going to see your estimated eighty. Nine million potentially. More you lay out the numbers with the savings. On on tier level and it makes a lot of sense and like I mentioned. OK so I'll start in Ramallah today about it in if she's on disability and basically to qualify for Medicaid as she explained to me she's been through numerous times. You basically have to be out of money. He had to be out of Italy eat you're almost at the B flat broke. And in situations like this where there there are disabled there might be a young mother that's making. As as a child that's making. In a very little money to help cut bridge those ties and I think it. If you look at it I'm sure there's folks in audience right now that that have either a family member or knew someone some roots might close to. That could use the benefit you know by the way is a state police are here about these savings. Account makes a lot of sense to me. Well and and you know some people will say Moya horse approved the savings are actually going to work we'll there's a lot of states have believe. Camera the exact number of momentum and you give your own but a lot of states. Have already expanded Medicaid. And in Arkansas Christian you're looking at 88 million dollars in saving Colorado saved 160. Million dollars. We made you Kentucky they saved 83 million Michigan. Michigan take 238. Million dollars. By expand their Medicaid so maybe we get back I'll I'll try to get the other side of the argument why you'd be against expanding Medicaid but. Unless somebody in the tax money to need seven years calls 50426018. Stimulus someone has it really convincing argument. It's gonna be hard to convince me that this isn't the correct route for the state as a whole. Should Louisiana expand Medicaid could Medicaid expansion actually save the money it's one of the governor's. Top agenda items in this regular session and do you know anyone who uses or needs Medicaid assistance and could they do without it means you think about it. How many do you know that don't qualify for book could use. Some of those assistants 504260187. He text 8787 double covered sports Demorrio W him to a. Double coverage sports and more on WWL. Called T Bobby Baring Christie Garrett. 504260187. Be taxed 87874. Tweets tee up 53 your Christian church one. Should Louisiana X. Band Medicaid. One of governor John Bell edwards' top agenda items in this regular session Medicaid eligibility. Determined using the federal poverty level income guidelines welcome back to double coverage T body there. Crushing Garrick you also might qualify for Medicaid appear. Disable like I mentioned by the outsource security administration definition. Your child under the age of nineteen pregnant. Have no insurance if you receive Medicare coverage and our low income but should it should expand it now. You are that good job laying out as to why it's can be beneficial. Especially trying to trim the budget deficit in this state and Allison does the state could end up making money now if you're against it. One of the things I mentioned earlier was state if you don't project coming might in rule in this you're not gonna make as much money. And Medicaid field may be your project enemy. Yet you were you can potentially not. Saved as much now the big fear with the Medicaid expansion of the easier to six by easily in this he says. May Medicaid expansion might look good the first few years because the temporary heavy fed subsidies but. When those subsidies and this state is left holding the bag into that's a big fear. Is that Louisiana we'll have to come up with the least 10%. Of the cost by 22 and is opposed to zero right now and 5%. Next year as far as I ever doubt that number. Not neo land. At some plane go over 10% as far as favors federal funding. But this is where does get a bit hairy in what people are afraid of I think. Is that you know of every is more and more states adopted the expanded Medicaid coverage in a becomes more and more expensive federally. Some say there's no guarantee. That congress won't shift to more of the burden to the states right as it struggles would be. Nineteen trillion dollars in national debt that it currently has agreed think that if the pressure gets high enough. I mean you know you have a potentially let's say you have a conservative president who wants to roll back some of bomb. Some of the Medicaid covered some of you know what whatever Obama is done in office been so if you take the rollback in who gets left. Paying those bills potentially going to be the state I just think that. In the current crisis with his state needs every dollar hand in me and we've talked so much about efficiency. The expanding Medicaid coverage here locally in to help was breeds to get through this crisis. It does seem to be four more efficient. In the system it's currently set up. 5042601870. Text 87870. Should Louisiana expand Medicaid. And I got to mention I'm not that I'm sure I'm not the only one in the audience that. It might have a relative or friend or fan and looked in that burden sometimes can. Bestowed upon you as a caregiver for some might that might be on disability. So an these are measures being taken to help prevent that as well in what does that do that helps the economy too if you're not. It's you know if you're not. Carving out a portion year old partial budget to take care of a loved one. Because they qualify for Medicaid. And health shootout and other areas indicated could inject some life into an economy as well. What do you that's that that's when he ideas right is that. Easily mass I would I don't mean to DBX I really don't talk about it. Try to reference masses hierarchy of needs but whatever the basic thing is if your health is taking care of right if you don't have to worry about that you're not. Stressed out about oh we'll announce it but it irrigated this program to go to the emergency room at U set me back. Stated that they care about and care of the and the amount of stress it takes off you can apply yourself better job. You become you know they use more productive member of society. Now there's a lot of people. We don't agree this who via view. Medicaid is purely being mean or received by. Lazy people who'll leave you take advantage of the welfare state I don't. Necessarily agree I know a lot of extremely hard working people. Who are able to get health insurance because they're jobs won't allow him to get help major damage seen. How it affects their lives on dated a bases in give be incredibly stressful. At times so look it's I know. What do. If you're of those individuals one day and find yourself in that same position you might be in a job where rate right now you have. Company provided insurance but that could change. The way that health care in this country's going in a lot of direction are in some ways. It might be headed towards companies in and corporations in general saying I don't know we'll pass that on to the employee. Now whoa it's no longer our responsibility to provide medical coverage yet and and. He'd need the health care situation as well at all hole nationally I mean it's it's Agee layered. And deep conversation it's one that I'm not. Fully educated on and look at your conservative. Then you're going to me just as you're going to be against the government spending more money. I'm not really approaching this though. From a liberal or conservative viewpoint I'm approaching this from the from the viewpoint that we we have a state. Which is in a lot of trouble right now and when you're talking about and that could potentially save 100 million dollars. Heads in the that is a hard argue that it's it's a lot man it's it's. It is hard to argue against it and it also mean look at the eve in. It's even a financial boost to hospitals and god knows he needs every now has. Your pay attention. That 35 million shortfall for this year that grew to seventy million overnight. Now means that higher Ed is an absorb about 35 million odd dollars of that cut. Well the department of health and hospitals absorbs the other. 35 million dollars but it's Medicaid expansion if you look at other places benefits everyone in the community who depends on. That low Basra if you look at Arkansas and Colorado Christian they've moved up the expand Medicaid. The number of uninsured patients. Dropped by 30%. Within ninety days of expanded. Coverage and hospitals throughout the country. Have reported dropped from forty to 72%. Compared to. Just 14%. From now on expectancy so win more people are covered it cost the hospital less money. And there are better compensated for their care meaning now like we said earlier this state is an avenue cover those cost. On the back in so I. With the current crisis in mind. I think these scenes com. I think it seems like having that you almost have to do and I think it's the Smart play but like I said I'll soon kind of have a fundamental difference of opinion when it comes with a lot of people as far as you know. Being the. The issue of the welfare state many people are very upset staged an out of control. Myself not necessarily. 2333. On the excellence is so instead of persons namely paying their bills the taxpayer. Is Obama but there are yet thing about this. What that or may not be a person that has namely that can help. There are situations like that where you look if you're in 1990 to nineteen year price equal I've Medicaid. But what that person doesn't have any family that they can rely on help offset some slack off when ego with new and that's was just pulled the wayside either. Final four to 601870 text. Il 78 shows I know people don't like the idea of you know people not having insurance and taxpayers footing the bill for their insurance but this is what you're not realizing is that it's costing you know war. Currently right now it's costing the state more in the is being passed on you it's costing you more for him more uninsured people. Did you do exist in the state like we said it drives that cost him multiple. Different ways now. You know federally will would how much are your tax increases more state to adopt the expanded Medicaid coverage I'm not sure but like I said with the current crisis. And hundred million dollars is incredibly. Tim team here is a great text there was point nine stick to sports guys you know ideology talk met outside of sports in this were wanna challenge you 3149. I where we analogy well you're exactly right or wrong just in this is what we see so often. You're gonna theater you're wrong to read where it's like okay. Tell me why let's let's let's let's try to be intelligent let's let's you know. Give me a reason why tell me in it and there are some great lately look the the guy you it texted earlier about. You know the temporary every federal subsidies could potentially go way in the state will be left on the back that's a great contrary and point. But distinctive sports c'mon give me something to work with and we can have an intelligent debate. At times. And time. At times it feels like. I mean I have a conversation in my eight year old to be called and it. Mean that your your about it that level my son's in the in the third grade secretary I'm so let me just think about that and all the way. It makes you wonder if that particular text there might be one of those politicians in DC that went on the other side of the dollar going you're needy. And then add to support a candidate debates. That's the problem is that goes kind of text a lot of times to me. Speak. The the partisanship that we ate so much they don't know always why they believe what they view. It is mental and it's horrible it's. Due insert for themselves. And actually no because what they told this is one I believe so. This. But sleeper cells here in. Engage them and algae. Louisiana the refinance debt for 82 million dollars what does that mean ultimately what does it. What impact will that have here double coverage coming up next on W. 217 effects alliances. Some privileges fed up with hard working hard. Pay high taxes than watch a someone else. Literally take that money all. I'm all about. Working hard in I feel your pain in my feels like they always were part of in the next guys always feel like begin taxed more like I should be on has died down these jobs per. This one though from what was a part time porn it was. Zero GI Joseph 21 ices. Unless yet we have a healthy educated population how do we grow and prosper as a state that's exactly the point right that's it we're trying to. To do that's that the situation estate is in their trying to come public money. And it's gonna come from somewhere and we senate early all go back to the special session somebody is going everybody in all likelihood is gonna feel some pain. From this budget deficit this budget crisis that the state face the state faces so all the governor's trying to do and some state legislators are trying to carve out some of that money. And we detect some 2697. That while I agree with the current plan for Medicaid expansion also feel they should be a system in place to prod these people. In direction of rising above government assist in the treating it as help free limited period of time. Vs help forever and it's interesting that you say that because I think in an effort to. Maybe extend an olive branch or show that you know that they did this is in our linemen negotiations will be open and wing governor Edward drew his laid out his goals. For this regular session. When mentioned Medicaid stage and he said you know I'm deathly open to something like a co pay because it begin. Certain versions there's no companies are you know it's fully fully fund where at least to co pay gives you a bit of skin in the game. You can't go to the doctor for no reason because you know you're going to have to. Pay a little bit so maybe two co pay maybe there is some sort of expiration date or something. But a bit I I I believe that. Because of the crisis I believe that even Republicans who may feel. Just throw me out principal. Sort of stance that. This goes against what they believe in a big Durham was going to have to be forced to accept it because the crisis but. It's not to say that they can't get in some changes or B admits to make it a little more palpable both to themselves. And to the people who are. Who are supporting them. Continue the conversation on text line and 878 Seve should Louisiana expand Medicaid. Could Medicaid expansion actually save the state money you heard T about it I'd talk about how. And laid out as to how they're trying to do that hundred B dollars is rough the rough estimate at the XP and Medicaid how does that not help. Our state and I know that there are some concerns about eventually Louisiana could be held. Left holding the bag in terms of more money that could and of cost and because of federal the federal intervention as well well. Will it bottom line DT will help or hurt Louisiana and the budget crisis in his of the necessary. Conversation to have within the legislature. Now if if we'd expand Medicaid earlier the feds would have covered it for a 100% for a few years. Com and look I I do understand the fears like I said because next serial pay 5%. But twenty when he you'll be playing 10% haven't seen that embargo rising at large that but. You know obviously the national debts going to continue to grow. What happens if the pressure in Washington becomes large enough for people are fed up with Medicaid Muehlegg its immediate conservative president. In the White House and they want to take a little bit off the federal government's bill. Well then are you getting rid of that health insurance I mean you go back to having more uninsured people or. Do you foot more of the Medicaid bill which would upset a lot of you know conservative. Citizens in the states so I I understand where they appear comes from because. You know we're nineteen trillion dollars in national debt and congress can be. Everybody can be a little funny when it comes to money and how they kind of go back on their word. But I just don't know it. But we're still footing the bill right now is my point you're you're you're overpaying. For these uninsured people just because of how the payments work out. And don't misunderstand me like I agree with a lot of our textures that are saying hey look they shouldn't be on it. For light and I it's not Medicaid shouldn't be a lifetime deal for some land might be on an end at 20/20 one but there's people I am. I want my ex wife when I first we percent hunter I got out of military would make a lot of money she would make a lot of money. We qualified her for for certain Medicaid benefits because of that. And I didn't stay on it inspired me just like the minimum wage conversation in inspired me hey look I don't wanna have to depend on this it's not enough for one. And to its I don't wanna be add a drain on the economy which it could end up being. So but if you need that for a little while. Is laws it's taken with the right perspective of eventually the goal should be to come off of it I get upset with that by two with some two that are. That are doing it too and they beat the system that they're playing the system now that shouldn't happen and we should put safeguards in place to prevent that from. Exe and this is my issue that is when I hear a story like yours in my mind. I don't know that almost makes up for a few bad apples at least if you make it out that I see that's worth one person taking advantage like I'm I'm. I'm OK with that and look we all would like a perfect world. Where you're not able to take advantage of wild birds and Johnny B yeah. Everybody rise above it has become permanent aid it's unrealistic to expect everybody. To have an ambition and drive be able to make that happen. But also it's accurately when you make these changes to Amber's got good ideas. The logistics of him by employing these ideas always remain a challenge in my mind though like. How do you could you gonna have to hire people and watch people and try to force him like. That's in his it got a call money is yet what caused more cost less. I so I don't know what the right answer is but on the whole I'm. In and I and Eileen I've liberal leaning so I you know yeah I a readily admit that but I don't have quite as much of an issue with the welfare state as. Summed it. Gene in a row usually calls during midnight madness I did gene. I'm not talking about the Medicaid system. You can't do it bottom all excited about learning about is the and that's that you like the meditate at the need to be at hand but I also like to see that medicate and Medicaid waiver if I intend. So weak it can't law parents with an techie at it and bop in the program. And up like if he'd am not as bad mileage we need to get jobs the doctrine with that purpose. Not not my ticket but but not being paid okay. At mile. Yeah out so we need to get on ma won because they need to stop with that. Look at why add I travel a lot about all got that yet been made this stop. And now that Spain can't see it yet so. How well they get on the now wait on the Internet at my college. OK and that's what what was supposed to get. This is real or also Varejao look we appreciated diversity normally calls about saints LSU but yeah for you. Because I think saints could sign new. Linebacker. Ellis and bullets and to your doctor about why I kept out this year terrorists yet they're gonna they're gonna have tripled the words that Ellis will apply it. Meets Judy and I can't wait. Tia and look. Jeanne stepped shared with us she's legally blind she's one of these at qualifies for for Medicaid as well so well. But just have a conversation should Louisiana expand Medicaid candidates of that. Was using these waivers that genes torment I don't know I'm not very match you know on the quick Google search and Medicaid gaga tells you about waivers or vehicles. States can use to test a new or existing ways to deliver and pay for health care services. In Medicaid in the children's health insurance programs for primary terms are good too intimate supposes waivers you were talking about is just. A different way maybe to test something like you know gas mileage it's a costs there what can you do. Kevin in Slidell you're on WWL. And men got this straight this is crazy. Our pay. Child support not really I made a lot of money from electric shouldn't be quiet. And it did you. And if if if if if it. But that thing is it's like. I take care all my daily it. I don't understand might cost health insurance is no room. Tristate. Went to everything else in esta okay did enough things cheaper. It provides like. We don't have the tape not that there's like. Gay. I do it right there and take care my child. And everything else and while I don't know. But what about those that are what about Kevin he you know you might have been fortunate right he might have been able to do that early on elect but there are good people out there that. Have setbacks early in their early and realize they need a little a little assistance to get. Out of that that whole potentially and that's where I come in where is Al as I'm originally I was a part of that where early on. I dedicated Alex young of the young Fuller. Didn't make a lot of money the time even though I have gotten out of the notes record stayed in the military and continue to provide an ad free health care of I didn't in the point is that may be needed may be neat somebody needs that to get out of that a situation is laws it'll stay on it. Well no it is and that will be in netstat question and I am a young guy I have a young. Majority in nine years old and men vote and may adhesion about a a decent amount of money yeah it's holding crap. What will have to do. You mitigate pictured right so did the company. No I hope I got behind like a Porsche thousand dollars and not haven't opened church like wait I can't afford it. Then the flooding and what may. And it'll be a bit. Bush what you pay for child support has no need it indeed a paper here alt shall awake all week. They get it right. And both our only window where to go from there. All the dads out there it and all of that adds all the dads who've been through divorce yes he says he dug out pretty. An audio and I feel your pain in a lot of ways Kevin look. And get. I don't think there's a great answers for Kevin rightly I I don't know again. Have the answer but I guess my point would be that I don't. XP I don't know of expanding Medicaid affects you either way there right because. You're already s.'s tact and so we are already footing the bills. We're already putting the bill for. Uninsured people beginning treatment to this is just kind of shifting the burden and doing in a more efficient. And or stream them money in a more efficient and streamlined way and look at and I guess Kevin's problem kind of speaks to. It's more crazy Diaz a hole which is is that whole country ever moved to some sort of single Payer system which lot of industrialized country around the world involved in but there's not a people who want that here. Brad uptown I see a comeback Tia after the good time audio double coverage Debbie to Google MS and a cup. I John hold look at and it went running by up against time here so don't hold you guys who lead off next hour continuing this conversation should Louisiana. Expand Medicaid give me a couple of taxes well late 7870. Really cast your vote option yet it's. Yeah and also yeah all the just real quick. It ever ice and at some are when he Allen text line that you know. Those that are on Medicaid lie about their income their fraught. If that happens in medicate it happens. On the rich to billionaires the CEOs I mean everybody can seek their income it can happen so it's not just one segment of the income brackets are another and ultimately don't have to pay the price wind maybe the did the pork lie in the ritual like you know pays a price the middle class. Well and that kind of feeling that the middle class is being you know. Ignored largely in this country that's appealing that permeates throughout the entire country that's why you're seen. People like Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders and suggested because they're preaching these message of re empowering the middle class I mean even right here. When you look at the at the recent legislative solution that took session that took place. Some would argue that the class that people most affected would be middle class that maybe that's because probably the largest swath of people. As well but there's some numbers though wealth inequality that may be active. They matched Derrick larger comes. 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