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6-20 9am Bob Mitchell, FBI and the Orlando shooter

Jun 20, 2016|

Bob talks to David Gomez, a retired FBI counterterrorism executive & cyber security strategist, about the FBI's investigations into potential terrorist threats.

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Thank you David got a special guest coming up and just a couple of minutes. Can't wait to talk to the sky David Goldman's retired FBI counterterrorism. Executive and cyber. Security strategy as we get asked in the trial is about what went wrong pod of the appeal island this. Not they slip through their fingers a lot of folks have been asking that very question I'm always gonna find out in just a minute. And built it one phone call first of which have been waiting for quite some time. Richard are our question was would gun control or profiling do more to protect fortieth. Well I think that. It need to be more. Not so much pull and mentioned attorney general resolve all the magazines TV magazine program yesterday. And keep it secretive. We broke. And you know I have to the elected. In my grim orca profiles. She probably wouldn't noted that probably wouldn't care in mean. So you know it Hugo if you look at that somebody history just make sure that their cool at Nicole Nicole. And it did not it and not and cannot think they call girl which color. But they should watch everybody. All right Richard thinks it's a watch everybody. All right have brought to a show on David Gomez he has retarded BI counterterrorism executive and cyber security strategist. Thank you so much for being on the show. Flee like that last dollar hey. Missed investigate everybody if you have nothing wrong you'll have to worry about a thing. It exactly. But it would take an awful lot of BI agents used a power. In looking at this situation I have a couple of questions that that I like to ask him that I really really. Don't understand. Let's go back to the situation the saint Lucie county sheriff's office confirmed that they won this guy transfer out of a Florida court ultimately thirteen. After they said he made inflammatory remarks about women and Jews and then praised the Fort Hood shooter. Why did they wanna trends while this fiery. And are talking about Omar. Yes I I will not mention his name so lot I don't speak is the name. Yeah that and that's why. And it you know problem exists in the states and from what hole. It is that we're not allow the FBI has not allowed to investigate people based on there. They're free speech. There were you know the right to stay in opinion about whether you won in America. And even if that opinion is discriminatory. Or antagonistic toward certain groups. You're right there and yet BI. App that. Some formal probable cause or other indicator. Reasonable suspicion that you're involved in the crime about to be able. Well they can and a huge. Does that hold true even for the cleric who spoke in the Orlando mosque. And said we need to kill all the gays and reporting them on other mystery that's is that hate talk corporate speech. Well it's it's it's free speech to a girl there may be local laws. So prohibit that try to open or speech or so that's a precursor to. I hate crime but it's not a crime that total. Does the F by camp have their hands tied so to speak the 'cause in and you would think that investigated this guy. As much as they did a talking about the Orlando shooter. It and it seems to me just from little bits and piece issue here. But some of his family members had to know something is the FBI un able to go in an interview the family members of play. Suspect someone that looks to those that commit a terrorist act. Well that surely to what occur in. The case or to be looked over when and dictation and on and it should. In the literary investigation sure kind of limited in deal. Is it should you can use but they are locked in her view. Subject of the investigation and and currently members. Bought. Beyond that if there's no indication that key. It is ready and willing to commit a crime terrorism or the other. Well they knew going forward to open old traditional first. Has the Obama administration. Changed the way the FBI can investigate. But no deal. The guidelines and why don't refer to insular right in somewhere other commentary. Came about triple all the way back currently. I wouldn't Reagan administration and worked with the church commission came into being they restrictions on the ability the ability to. To investigate certain cycle political crimes. I'm. And then all end up following 9/11 the guidelines too cute by future regional. And the replies. And a new category. That created. These are categorical parts of the investigation and it can. Into the so it wouldn't walk on the situation. Bought rather just to government that the department of justice and. Let me ask you the question that's flavor and is there anything that the government could do that would help the outfield. To make it easier for the appeal. Well I advocated. In the crowd that it's so local restrictions all you. Well we work sooner or extraordinary. Techniques like water. Standard that would be loosened a little bit to allow the FBI to get into using those techniques. Sooner rather later in the case of flow all all the Orlando. Subject to. It's unclear what would otherwise help her but I think in retrospect. I know what you thought of social media would've been stepped towards opening investigational. When it comes to investigating social media how much. Power as the FBI them. Well and basically public posting. Why people off on multiple. Areas like FaceBook. Twitter. Enter and soul. I can attribute public policy it's war negated the price it. Social messaging services that are used like overseas terror groups that are difficult because there. Password to encrypted. You had access and that makes it more difficult to get that negated when Oprah stinking. Up the time so immediate is. Opened with her in her mind and open which you need all over the issue. More and more interviews have been on television and radio with the former are real like people. And many of them are saying over and over again that the FBI could stop some of these terrorist events if they had more power. If they weren't burdened by some of the some of the restrictions that the government has upon them is that true. Yes and on up now over it was slippery slope. Because you don't really want. Chu who happen ST I don't have a limited power to investigate that report. And I don't would be the other one. Yeah I want limited targeted ability to dispute those people that are that how shall propensity towards violence we're. Or criminal behavior in the past and clearly these in retrospect again. C shooter in Orlando. Cut capacity torque while. You know more and more people at least people I've talked to him I'm one of those people. You can investigate anything on me you can get to my FaceBook page you can look at my telephone records that does not bother me because. I have not in the high and I would be willing to to give up that freedom if it meant that you might. Be able to do that with someone else and stop them from doing well these terrorist event. But when we we we protect we're protect our freedom too much. Are people's freedoms right now as far as what the F by Kent FBI can and cannot do. Orly to strike should the appeal I'd be able to look into people's personal background. If that means that at the notes. Would stop a terrorist attack. You know if it means stop terror. A fact I think that there ought to be reasonable grounds. The united due to power the general principle here is the Vietnam War. They pay you want to work with this. The constitution. To investigate all the people who. Kept on the other attention because of so cruel to. I guess what I'm trying to figure. Is looking at the background of the Orlando shooter like the Florida gun store over Saudi. He alerted the FBI two very suspicious man who won a body armor and who wanna bulk ammunition from the store. Should not send off or really really red flag that we've got to go all Holland checked all the self because this guy looks like he's up to no code. And you know. I agree to a certain extent that would say it is true that we need to be able all but people. But indicated an older oldest were never. It'll only after the shoot it you able able Clinton in. The sugar would come in the shop working well there are something that should be illegal attempt to purchase. And so all ammunition. The sophisticated body are. Well in Ohio and blow on the on the Second Amendment supporter. I'm not sure I want people being able apply it. Same kind of body armor that the military issues and who want tactical change. There's no reason other. To prevent. Probably at least from shooting you. Well as a former FBI counterterrorism. Executive. What would you like to see change if if I've put everything in your hands right now and so all right. Let's make this country more protective let's do whatever we have to do to stop these terrorists from doing all these mass shootings and bombings. A subdued but it's in your hand what would you change what would jewel all the FBI did do that they cannot do today. I think allow them to get to full and there. Are welcome to do. Thought it was staged and a negation and the conduct generally. The generally start with and so records and there might lead to an interview which leads super sweetener issue. Which are limited in time and still can't do double liberty candidates. And then that'll that it yeah total probable all choked for the investigation which is to fix would you how would you call it. In previous previous. Supervisor. Executives in the world while you. Open. A full investigation on the lower standard. I wanna use the water terms but basically it jumped into or Asian. It was sort of record your opinion that. The person put it to injure. As opposed capital. Internal. Not external but internal war and for establishing. A typical probable cause of that sort locals. But. More importantly. See the American public. It back and the FBI and their ability pro is it these undercover techniques that permits so chase out right now. The idea that they do it well David if they go ahead. That was before that a crime but that you. Think. There are a lot of outrage at the intrepid albeit via caught the crime that he committed in the it. But then when so it's all. Night. They're equally. That the guy didn't prevent those. Just hope to play it. It just like the police damned if you do damned if you don't. David thank you so much from impartial learned an awful lot talked into youth. And good luck to you look let's hope some where down the road these these things get changed the name we can catch the bad guzzle bit quicker. And it. That's a David Gomez retired FBI counterterrorism executive and cyber security strategy will be right back for the phone calls. 2601. They suddenly on WW well what gun control or profiling do board to protect the country. This is an ongoing investigation we're going back in scrubbing every contact we have with this killer. Also asking people to come forward with the contacts they've had with this killer as well. None of Loretta live Porsche with on almost every talk show Sunday. We're still trying to figure out. What the FBI to do more or less I've thought that he beat the interview with a for him David David Gomez was outstanding. And the bottom line that I got through the hole with a whole interview. Was that. The FBI have to jump through Somali groups and go through money procedures before they can even investigate Simone. That if if you find some woman is suspicious and they say you know. This guy looks like he's up to no good. Then they can't just jump ball in the they can investigate may have to go through a whole bunch of steps and that's the one the east he said they if thoughtful. Things would change you would like to change and he said that these policies have been. And placed a lot of people. I thought and I have to to be honest with you us ultimately interviews. That it was the Obama administration may be stranger than they may have made some. But he says and it goes back to before them and he also said he would like to see people cooperate more with the appeal so. If you saw someone acting very suspensions. Would you report them to the FBI. Or would you. Have the fear that that he would think that viewership Kook. Or you know the new world where you're racist or or whatever but what would you report it to the appeal. I think what happened and make a lot of people. Big because we or so politically correct and you know you you don't wanna say anything of a a bald someone criminal culture and you to shall pray that they don't think that you. Our the wrong person so few social long acting very suspicious when you report them to the appeal. Plus a growing up. Ever worry about it kid. In your school or neighborhood but you. From a very young age said there's something really really wrong with a partial may be were a mom like Panama Malone and think about twenty minutes ago so there was this. Kid a girl put her neighborhood that both she knew was trouble promo from day one to dribble worried about a kid in your school or your neighborhood. And bottom line. What would go to help the country the most gun control. Or profile and which one will protect us the most you can call late at viable four to six year old woman at 78. He contractually but as upset a couple of times if you really wanna get your point on WWL. You can do it quicker with the vocal leader of the text messages are thirty to one to the phone calls and text messages sometimes can get lost in the shuffle and I try to read them all. But up political did you much by the chips 930 on WW well so Donald Trump goes through another camp. A manager you up by buying a is his own campaign. I kind of thanks noticing them going yeah it sure doesn't I still love the statement. I guess it was after he won the nomination when he said I'm going to be so presidential you're gonna get bored. I don't never. That'll never. I was discussing earlier -- that he uses personality and absolutely got to worry sure sure but. At this point in time. I don't know what's happened pour in in our political list. But whoever we elect as president that individual will have more negatives of people dislike them more than the people like. Yeah I think you're right there and it doesn't matter which way it goes so let me read record like this text message articulate joyous. No mention of the college world she is in the news sports I guess Alicia gets knocked out. And it is no longer work talking about you were absolutely right it's just that is debt on its inability or were talking about that's it. Thank you David all right it is 930 by about 45 minutes. Before teller clock. Would profiling. Helped cherished that it. Surely you must follow the lead of other countries that used this tactic. While that would Donald trampoline. Donald Trump said yesterday that in the wake of the mass shooting in Orlando. It's time for the United States to start again profiling. As they Peru a tactic. He federal I think profiling is something that we're going to have to start thinking about as a country. The presumptive GOP nominee senator and interview with CBS other countries do it you look at Israel we look at others they do it and they do it successfully. Piece that I hate the concept of profiling but we have to start common sense and we have to use our heads. It's not the worst thing to do drugs comments came of course the week after 49 people was shot and killed. And gay nightclub and Lendl the deadliest shooting in United States. History. He also fled to a packed like Orlando stopped. If they Muslim communities would report suspicious things. Which gets us to a bar questions the morning. If you saw us on long acting through issues. Would you report them to the FBI or the police and I just thought about this has anyone listening. Reported someplace where you saw some interest issues. And you you called the police or you called the FBI. And its that I can't plea when I just saw this is something you need to check out. I'd love to get a couple calls from the kennel this club book before 10 o'clock hotter they react. Today treat you with respect. That they make you feel like bill you're them lunatic volley and in so if you called. To report a crime either to the police shortly appeal hollow did day tree view. Trump one on Thursday. When you look at people within the Muslim community and were people living day they'll report and a good example would be San Bernardino. I mean they had people at that these these people are bombs all over the house. And no one called and to via via. So would you. And with a lot of interest in because when you when you go back. And read the history. I'm talking about the Lendl shooter about them on in my mind. Net. A just what I did not want to mention his game here's actually here's what Donald Trump's. Really have to look at profiling we have to look at it seriously and other countries do it and it's not the worst thing to do. So would Duncan. Or profile and do more to protect us. The senate is supposed to consider gun control measures provide and I believe it probably bit. There's more background checks. And and and and the ban on assault but what even should help the country the most. Profile in. Or gun control. And when you were growing up. Was there anyone you grew up with anyone in your school or if your parent with a unique kid the church's hung out what that you said this person has trouble. It in my neighborhood I it's still remembered to the this kid was fifteen years old he lived around the corner from even rumors Dame's name was Richard. I was afraid of feet. Who was fifteen years old rode a motorcycle smoked cigarettes it would serve on the porch with a box of matches and flew open loss. And it was too tough the Bollywood it felt like it. Nobody would take people on so looked at and I have no idea what happened to him but I have to have ultimately he did not grow up. As as a normal human but he. So if you saw someone acting suspicious would you report then growing up you remember any suspicions kid you grew up with. And what do you think would protect the United States that are gun control or profile bottom line should we do. More pro quietly to six year old played seventy text me at age 7878. We're gonna come right back on WWO. 943 Bob the tone for Tommy Tucker WWL let's go to Richard calling from homo. Richard what do you think what would help our country more what was protected some more gun control more. I think now what should be most schools are forward orders that people are trying to Omnia. All actually like right now and states. They have a lot of luxuries. You know what else. You know have their orders falls well short people. So you were you agree basically with Donald Trump's flawlessly all those countries. That are connected with terrorism with the United States or our allies or come from these countries that don't respect women. Or their attitude was led kill gays that these people should not to mentor country. Well. Did not necessarily. As a member of the a little the I'll never forget. There or. I think that anybody achieved it should all follow. One. I've done it and you. And what am and when you made a phone call potter they treat you. All right well our own for special. And though. You know we know that we need to do. Turned him. I got it also why it's an explanation all apart as well identity or any of that yet well perhaps your west Miami. It won't argue it could be bought out. Well it was a good thing to just remember this was forced people coming into our country to do evil. The Orlando shooter was an American citizen born in America. I mean. Well it helps that argues that short stop already on the need to control. They show real pressure. On something to do. So well I'm I'm. I'm hoping control. Well I'm I'm so that over and over again I don't know what kind of if if they're going to all of a ban on assault weapons I do not only assault weapons. But if anyone fixed that by banning assault weapons of course to these weapons the news of the deal weren't the Orlando shooter it was legally purchased. But if that if it was it legal people who want to do things like that will find a way it won't even slow now. Well this sort of yeah I agree with you but I think it thank god haven't been on the war. He went into debt purchase slide show somewhat. And drug dealer that sold like archer a drop in a legitimate all well you did. Well. Somebody dropped the ball somewhere in my it is. I don't think that got you in urges Russia stopped play real well for it to storage. Well that there was there was so many signs. With this guy and of their one thing that. I'm I'm I'm not quite been able give an answer of the logic of the but he worked at the saint Lucie county sheriff's office. Bryant and they had many complaints he made many inflammatory. Remarkable women. Jews are comprised of four well I would but here's what I can understand they said they wanted him transfer out of the world's got fired. They want to obstruct pop and that they have if you were done urban candidate. Kicked us out the door wasn't because it was emotional when they were afraid to offend the bull ultimately. I think a lot of people or garrido. While was any fire not just while we want to transfer a mile and that makes no sense today. I agree with your order are all right Richard thanks for being part of the show. I'd go to Mike in like you Mike what do you think the senate supposed to consider gun control measures tonight. Would gun control profile and do more to protect us. Or that the way to go control entered do. Have done anything so yeah history. I mean they're they're they're very Pro Bowl and or. You'd be. Hard to walk. Not to remote. And not to the matter if anyone thinks. I I don't own little salt one socially band to have an assault weapons it would not affect me but. Go to our bright eyed just don't know how someone could say well you know. If we banned assault weapons that means but these white girls can't go and buy one Nolan can't go by one legally and they'll of violent illegal images do you really think. That if you want to do something like this that if you say you know a little football this nightclub. All OG I can't ban I can't buy an emotional level so I'm gonna give up on that detached just not the case they will find some kind of way. To get that whether or though that they'll do the damage would look something else. Bet that the very good toward all I don't know it took me not been my color by the leader of the one. Bailey and. Well that's what I said a few minutes ago mark my biggest fear in this system that that is able okay. We're gonna ban on assault weapons and then down the road facility emotional thing. And a lot a lot of problems looked shocked and we're gonna ban shotguns that's what the that's what bothers me. Yeah exactly I mean there were aware of where where he was all right. Now. A couple of years before. I really proud the way. There was a crime and street by people write a but they were blocked. It all. You called ultra powerful people. All your game beer. And even be in. It thank you know again. Because the media calls it awful. I do remember that. Absolutely Mike I thank you so much for full Lyndon. You'll blow my outlook. All right go to Derrick in Hammond. Derek what's on your mind this morning. So. It's amazing on their government not responsible. Goat. It's scare all we are choke on that you're back there are so. Well this man was able to ever get are gone after uses actors co workers. Late in. The game out here and ultimate. Yes well. David you're caught in Italy and also a need shoot two to call back and we'll take a break and then we're gonna come right back and WWL. 956 what are modular Garland rumba that receive them an incredible honor his dominant for the national radio hall of fame and you can join Garland weekdays at 10 o'clock. It's in Chicago. And if you ever get a chance to visit it is absolutely incredible growth coming up next on the think tank let's go to a Derek a Derrick thank you for calling WWL. Great. So. We're hour to work I go to our clients steps people walked into my store and you know reminding me about you know low forties. Or killed. All those people mother. Store right there it sure you'll go. I can not so Uga. Target so impatient. Agent in here and sent. There are flatly one upon. How in the world can this guy you know top talent world debate not about one. It's stick governments follow strictly the gum ball you know what everybody owns guns. Because it gives the government the is that and you and you know what. Talk to about get used to stay on on mortgage. You don't have a Google. Known them. No no no no no no no no no I'm I'm I'm very very happy on the college guy. It's both evening. Miles it is very very simple sleeping too long and I want so gnawed on a do not want to take and a on a different outlook does the job that Tom is on Domino's had a great job and I'd do not want any part of that. It's a couple of minutes before 10 o'clock. 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