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20160827 7-9am The Outdoor Show

Aug 27, 2016|

Don's subjects are Dove hunting, the proposed Cervid ban, PFD laws and the Talkin Guns show

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Are walking in on and other Saturday morning glad to have you with us on this Saturday coming up in the 8 o'clock now will if talking guns. In the Ferguson Gavin century will be joining us and we'll be talking about a lot of the the firearms issues of the day and then never seems to be any shortage of them we also have league on product of the month that we featured. Also giving you some tips and advice that you supply arms flooded due to. Water and a lot of people caught totally by surprise in him comes could've been compromised which you need to get back in. Working conditions and another interest in things have opened telephone lines in nine unit that has to do with our own will cover on and gone this our RO gonna get some of your emails and questions that onion. But with the opening of the dove season kicking off the hunting seasons in Louisiana Mississippi next weekend. One it is to help people figure out what is constitutes legal running on field has been properly prepared to a track and in hold dogs in what would be considered Peyton because unfortunately every year. A week after the dove season I get a list of names sent it to me of people who were caught decided hunting all debate it feels on this. In some people have omitted completely given them on because they just in the Euro what did doing it could be construed as being single debate. And I think that is really just. As counterproductive. In laws and such a national force and such of that issue where actually discourages people participating on exports and it doesn't need to be that way because it's a pretty simple things that on you can do take some responsibility. To clear himself and to make sure that we can enjoy a Satan you know legal invited. The department Watson fisheries senior agent Jules cropped comical ones on now in its force if you have any questions about it call us we have couple phone numbers for you. Bible for 2601350. Point 2606368. If you wanna text me a message you know pass along middle 87087. Joseph thanks for being with us and taken the content to point out some some advice on people going to be going go on next week. Our our error. Joseph if you would as simply as you can and we'll get into the complicated part of it but. What is what constitutes baiting in what constitutes illegal field because people are confused yet you can put seemed out you can plan then you can hunt at. But another case as you can apply grain on the scene and you can't I don't know what is the difference. I bit my own thing in its call vote. The big US default Coulter all of planning. Super comp plan but the planning. Home. You know does not involved with point your wild bill. And in new. Bush called an underwater record grooves you know but more what most people get in trouble not only do out there. And you know well received depleted in dark older do whatever. They quote more speed on all proper. That's that's what makes that would do well great. Some cases. Dating off of very easy to detect in in you know I hate Tipton. You know try to put him on the humble a lot of times on you know he in this fast paced world we live and eat and have a lot of time in Italy grams is his equipment and he makes a drop in in the get on the field and he's kind of in a rush to get out there and get set up. And really doesn't take the time what doesn't have any idea of how that view was prepared what should add on reduced to a fortitude to. Fulfill this responsibility. Of knowing that he's on the legal field if that was prepared by someone who was charging in the hunt there while he discloses an invite friends and Pete. Leonel privately. What apart between these do is contact he'll appeal of reverend Byron Eaton and import. Them is its field but he. I mean not not master that he would element awards were you know McConnell. What was ailment analog yet but it would set the ball like a walk and we'll walk crawl this field. You know become the call that there theaters. And of incurring the open that 400. Call. Now. Visible but a lot of time Libya's. And you know it BP. Is being. And he'd books. You know he's he's he's coal ability Altman's little. And as far as it visual inspection what should I be looking for on the field obviously. Powell's of corn. Or any thing that obviously was not grown in that field shouldn't be. An art to be dating until you get into the part about seeding in normal agricultural practices will get in the bat. But just out loud cases of grain or track since being placed in a few what you look for it says that. It. Well I mean what he did they Powell's war. It's true all of these you know not even brought to ask you got you know looks like he's been built great with you know. Zigzag script reader you'll. Never sit somewhat what her progress are we are open of that war it's going to be Peter. There's going to be broadcast there were aware it's not going to be grill you know throughout the people. Or irregular patterns are our top of depth on. I. You know the other part of it that starts to get a little bit tricky is the receipt of all of seat planning you know how much per pound per acre and that's where people get it. About arm Ronald as the analyst now how was I didn't know. We gonna come back from his breaking explained. Well what some easy ways to be would determine. Just by an average person the average on Tuesday. This is normal agricultural practice on this is not will be back with talk to a senior agent Jules Kroll the Louisiana department Lawton fisheries. Any questions about hunting on doves are property illegal baiting what constitutes proper. I'm manipulating the fields to attract those 50426013. Fifteen or you can text messages and 870870. This is more outdoors you're listening to it on thirteen fifth. And we are reviewing up proper and improper. Attracting of those dating is it's called illegal baiting all what is so legally and men manipulating appeal in normal agricultural activity which is it legal for attracting those. Senior agent Jules Kroll is with this to come out on this if you have a question or you have a comment we invite you. Bible for 26013. Fifty we also and they text message board come directly use studio 70870. Until before we move on to normal agricultural practices like planning a week and top selling it on seed bed is a pretty safe to say. That the U or grain that is put in a field only for the purpose of attracting nose is illegal. In at the same time it's something is grown in the field. In it's actually growing in the seat faults that is illegal regardless of the quality that safe this. Yet if it is pointed and you know you. You know boat all of her coach Kurt senator or something of that sort bark like a lot of people do with what military yields and then that is definitely. But any thing that is purposely put there that's not the planet. But put their for the sole purpose of attracting don't lament what the quantity is that easily correct yes yes. I'm now giving in to the I think one of the most difficult ones of people suit to recognize would be the rate. A week that is put into a field as a normal practice suit to grow. How would someone know when they see it and look at a C and under the sole maybe they kick grammys he subsidies under there or put ride on the top how they know. If it's going to be considered date one that's a normal agricultural practice to the layman who was not a phone. Up from the local one call. Or not these scorching and so all. I mean typically you don't want all you know the cooperative extensions. You know planning recommendations. When when you tops your read it it's not going to be it you know it it. You know. There now we have the high speed cable or square full order or what might what. You know we've if you you new takeover of our order is entered it does you'll. And in Seattle on moments Omaha conceded that one's smaller area than that that should rate reflected. You know marketable as a mile you do it you gotta double samples CE you know animals are. It. Oh yeah anywhere oh no you don't plant like that it's not that much that you plant crops. It is safe to say that that agency guys not out and add people and to push marginal cases that you pretty much. You know Larry it's going to be a pretty blatant case of him on its side. Yeah I mean obviously you know they won't comment although. You know what have they ate so. All you know which properly. They grand teton in the world disorder Mercury working maybe votes added in you know in the nine the corners are. Offers tremendous oil and you know we won't we authenticate to beat dispute courts. And I got its exit just comes and it's as a believe Honda should know the landscape on which he Joshi is hunting if you aren't motivated fuel whether you know or not can be in trouble. I don't think that's that's totally act if someone it depends don't why you didn't know if you didn't know if you didn't know it because you didn't want to know it. In you stand in there about forty yards away there's Apollo yellow corn sit now and feel and has no corn in it. Yeah you should have known but then again like some of these cases a nickel a little heavy on a scene that normally is not an agricultural product. Practice then that could be you know you know. Agree either. Yeah it is gray area and then there's no. You know while and no old old apple. I'll meet you or are taken you know it's a case by case basis you know most. And you know prior knowledge. You know they they've received and on the field for you know. They robbed them of these enormous amount of power that you feel called road at any birds then they're. They're probably did you every QB. They can be detected at all. What it did you know compound are reasonably Null or should not you know. In and you mentioned that just a little earlier you know bet bet that the key to end. You know obviously the band was filed a body in bigger trouble in the hands in the old steel. Oh absolutely yeah he should accept full responsibility. There's no question about it. I. We just got a message in the ride the bull kayak tournament that was comment on if he situation though is is a goalless you planning on going down at a witness that check out the awards ceremony. They have been released and all fishing down in grand knowledge comes from. The reporter on the scene you know I catch Cormier. David please stay with me I do wanna DT question about the import ban but before we wrap up mutual. Just in review. You're going to a place you've it's a paid time you've been invited maybe you don't know the land owner of that well. What is your view responsibility before you step on the field and make sure that you're in the clear you don't which you need to do to fulfill your obligation. Of looking at the field and asking the right questions. Well first but now be in these small so we'll be hallmark ball below him. Or blanket means is that you but he. And it says yes well. You beat the league of it BP says no. Second responsibility. Is to look at that BO if you don't your sign on in position the year we. And you almost pretty on album wall. You know is more tomorrow more wall. Palpable in that field and indeed buying raider red light in the news you know all qualities you want aerial or obvious follow warmer. Either read or whatever would be. You know I you definitely have an obligation to look for and. And also if you seabirds congregating in one particular area of fields where you know the problem is building in place and others. We're making crank that there were some part of more truck and you were it not been here. And you know just fulfilling your obligation and and enjoy your heart. Joseph but besides. Baiting. One of some of the other infractions that a common Dylan opening season of don't I guess people just forget to get the license. A lot of people still won't realize that the HIP permit is just as important to hand you gotta have that the beat totally legal as the license and I guess if people had guns out for the goose conservation or whatever reason it removes the clogs it might forget to put that plug in. Those things they need to review and check anything else that you find when you check if people in the field on the opening week. That there are pretty common it's huge you know stop debating would be. You know on quote on you know what it took support according Newton did put the quote backing him or. I got a brand new Remington did put applauded when it took out a box all of all of you know some people just blatantly. Proxy has pulled out there. On that that will most common buying you know stop what it is is it the pope's. And I hope that the land owners in and people that now conducting pavements understand it's not an insult someone on asked them. Is this VOA I guess someone might take offense to that could it be insulted that they that they would. That they really should because that's just point blow on as normal ethical responsibility to ask that question anybody that gets asked. Village India and but correct or. Would kill me makes the go ahead. Problem on our and our Carol off but yet another thought they did know it. OK well good as just one more question of one as she uses came up it's totally unrelated though money. And hopefully you can answer that question came up about people who finished Mississippi and Louisiana waters primarily salt water. You know along the Colston might leave from all of the re goalies area lately forma basic Lewis and cross state waters. Well what is their responsibility. As far as wind there in the opposite state waters that position limits and licensing that they shoot. Albeit it's your legally you know war and a Mississippi. Wars all. Obviously when we hear and probably would be wobbly U otherwise it is and you can be solved there are some of the and put an excellent. It if you come back here and then the war. And I'm not really familiar with you know Mississippi's problem in possession. Didn't say that they've been but image subliminal. Trial would topple could be. And you know obviously twelve. You don't need to come back in Wrigley Marino was Cuba to be limited finished her. Rightly or it would have support you come in and be checked you've got to abide by that State's law but correct. All right very good it will kill thanks for the visit we appreciate it and hopefully you don't have to right too many citations Arnold weekend next week will get her outlook their body will be. Everybody be safe thanks again shall we preached. Senior agent Joseph Crowe Louisiana department wallet and fisheries only get that David's call. I want to talk about the survey report and we've been talking about now for the past couple weeks. David I think David's gone hurt the colts. David Willis checking it out David unit a day and I'm. There are good morning good morning. Yeah I wanted to trap. I just became aware of what a month ago I am. Evidently. The current population coming through and into the week and a is now there will be and this these. And under that spamming. Corners will not be able to boring holes carcass for partially or does any simpler game. True or into the week you know that leadoff runner from Mississippi Alabama or Puerto they can't drive on hand. Well apart actually Borchardt game ample with Diana or inadequate sector of the product. And that you're always allow them mystery is is asking that all animals are. With no scroll. Obviously it is chronic wasting disease. It's Nancy protein an impediment nervous as them in the boring spam. So that means that trophy honors can't bring own tape animals. Into the space. I have to be prepaid. And antlers caught off of skull plate and they are still questioned about it even bat. Troops went out the brand because it's still has all. This is Larry you know and everyone's like so I'm white tailed a year ago you'll bitter. Rupert products. They will not be able butcher their own game. So these families ago protectors for these are clients they can't bring their game. That people out by lethal cold or referral. I don't think both runners and models think they're fully aware of what's taking place and his right hand that will be complacent per day. Well look in Indy. Got some things I'm not totally correct on UP articles on the Rose Bowl with one exception. At this point it's still a notice of intent in has not been adopted in completely passed by appointment laws and fisheries and that was the reason why they scheduled these statewide public hearings. Across the state to give sportsman an option to voice their opinion. And it buys the commission on what the desires of the majority of the owners it is and from what I've been told so far. Most of these meetings are being conducted. There's only two left and that's because they were rescheduled because of the floods. One man one feet left yet. The homers and ninety and 95 cent a hostess. And so with that Aaron our. Commissioners made back up off of this and and not go for now it's the other part of the thing he says it was correct except you will be able to bring. A skull in. The moaning but it can't have any tissue attachment which you completely after remove the brain. Every piece of tissue off the bone and everything is in here and you're right people being. You can bring antlers if the skull plate as the it was on its gotta be completely clean with no tissue on it. You can bring the key thing you can bring Heidi and if you get a mount about a state you can bring it in. But it's a political burden on people like you say that uncle's story lines on out of state regular basis. And like the quarter ended the year or even just got that implement an ice chips in all back you on a trail. They would be in violation of law Bob bring in union is also some paperwork it's going to be. Required that they put on the attitude now that's the negative side of the positive side is the CWD. As you mentioned it's real and it's of very insidious diseases. Spread very rapidly it's ought to control. There's no testing for it is known circulation sport. In that got into the herd the only some states have taken is to go out to start to Olympia and expected to eliminate the the possibility of the spread and we don't want that that happened so. It's going to be up to the on institute to tell the department what they design as long and hasn't cents and right now I'm gonna go to that meeting in medical Monday night to listen from a self but. The reports I've gotten is that there's ninety to 90% opposites. With that amount. That's in and out and voted in but there's a good possibility they want may be well I am a little water on May be lighten up or modify it some way. The make it will be easier on the owners. Indeed well protection of the white over for weeks now under current generation. That's to you that's element that could be done but it just seems that this is moving so quickly. I'm glad that they're meeting but it's my understanding. In the last two meetings that individual. Britain those meetings analysts and what was that the equipment. At this is going to play that. Mississippi and Alabama are on board that there birdie. 33 year thirty force stay on board and doing this and it just seemed that they take. At least they listened 9%. Sportsman endless and the possible Kenyan options. Then in the tax army field it would seem to be in the state Louisiana wildlife and fisheries. Was in program. In finding where the chronic queries as coming from every day it packs apartments in any state. Dozens and dozens of a year amount but it can be. Seller climb ought to play the name of honor there or he would gain taken in the scholes could be Saturday. That those goals can be given to wildlife and treachery of the commanders here. Only passed for chronic wasting is live in the animal. And they find that in one year bank apples aren't up unsettled standards the study. Hitler animals from in the United States in the state Louisiana alone in the pack over. Well part of our I think I agree with you think this thing is moving way too rapidly I think it's continues to slow down take a real hard look at it because one thing that I feel would happen. If they put in these very restrictive rules in place with the paperwork being thrown out. They don't have the enforcement people you realize how many people across the state on view on Sunday night Monday when there's no way they gonna stop and find these people objectives and ride tickets and prosecute. So what's gonna happen is people look images do it anyway. Maybe we would be better off by some kind of way having them tested before the economy and the state. And catch it there before we go through all this other stuff of the owning and scraped and skull plates and. You know I don't know about any doubt. That that could work to figure in bowl it will honor. Comply and will the people at the time to do that it. Well it's a lot Lessig and it cleared them. Yeah that's a whole lot less hassle to get it clears and get report economy and and that would be Donald voluntary basis is everybody does and the heck with them nine on all numbering in like it calling it caught in the defeats the purpose which its intent. Well also. Also be incredibly vital aspect that it is a year from now honors. Not Coppola during the wildlife and treasuries and doing the paperwork and going and in under the hand. Chronic wasting or exiled central. LB were true. I think you're correct it's moving pray he quickly and it's my understanding. That it had done deal. But I'm going to a meeting with him a lot yet next Tuesday. And I'm glad you're going to demand of the ones we just need the latter on. Enjoys farming and ordered gain or cut of the products work straight he's quite some. These viewpoints need to be listened to and we need the all. Century and hopefully come the an agreement but it but it works for the production. And while one. Ultimately. David thanks for you all appreciate it Robert about it. Need to David okay will be back and look at the heart of the in captain Wayne run after this time out it was in a more outdoors on three WL thirteen fifty. IPhone lines are open 50426013. 52606368. Though also for your listening pleasure of an animal that's got to pick this up on thirteen it's he might wanna try. A 105 point three eight's deep in you'll get an anthem a clear signal there you can listen to it on line. Live streaming ads on the outdoors guys that call come. We also have 870870. If you wanna text in the question comment or suggestion we preach let's go to line two. We have part of the call Indian army thinks the call. Today yeah of course in that op the other day out they're so it'll be on my grind it Whitney and the rules state that we. Are anchored this year and because they're under 68. Because they're under our bureau or your vote. They have to keep that jacket on. While work anchored at underway anybody under sixteen pat Abbott but not. Twelve that's yet to keep that ought you know anything about that is that at a neutral. Never heard of that. I'm only you as a rule always known sixteen years and under. You have to have that on when the vessels on the way when you stop you can take taken taken off enough than about a twelve year old who I was Louisiana wildlife and fish and. That their straight they aren't we were acre position. I about the pin. They're a 112 eagle jackets on and on and I'm booked in Malawi but maybe they've might have changed a global. Well if they did changes they didn't do a good job movement alert the public to it and I don't know if that's posted on their website and any of them publications have brochures or anything like that. Did they cite you on now. Now they just. Waited until monogram is split their college. Well I hope that call into them all on Monday morning and I'll find out if there has been changed at the mine knowledge I don't know any chain says that anyone on the walls as the continually where it's always been. Sixteen and under has to have it on when they're on the way and a vessel but as long as the vessels opted not emotion that they do not need to where they can take off. But are exchanged they need to do press release and the dignity and give you a warning you images are not greater than verbal warning sales launch yeah. You out there were watching that they didn't have people like that the home. Well I'll check in and do as much researches like him on it and try to find if they did change it but it is if they did. They might not done America's delegate word out to the public well think many people know that is in fact and it's gonna surprise elimination all the law. Right are there. But things happen when they change laws in the ward doesn't get out in the foursome the public promptly notify and I would think that you've been cited you'd probably have a case because you know that could be shown where it was in writing coming in and out there to the public long enough so. And Iraq are checked into it now make an announcement on anything else goals with a all right thank you and it. I must talk to captain laying knees checked Indian on line three captain Wayne what's normal. Are not much didn't get the boat ready to evacuate and work on army integrated back weight bottles say that any got word that salami and it. You know I'm hopeful that I have prepared. In. Mississippi war as a community our tickets and follow. Such a one place in Mississippi right a lot of golf it's seven miles out. When Japan's pinnacles so now you currently yeah war. Now when you come back it's got interest you cannot stop. In Mississippi. And you in trouble you know and missed it delights. And another thing I found out from can be handled it and talk to while Christian picket. I don't I don't say what you owe uncle Harry. You know at this stole it goes straight in a source. And then the outbound now it at. All India France. Plane. It's got him where it. Like curious some trips mansion that. Pebble. In Mississippi create. Yeah we don't wait we got that clarified on the Mississippi thing would have a port you'd land in you have to abide by the regulations and if you don't have a license for the state. You gotta be right you gotta be you can't stop the vote you have to I know that State's law if you. But all on the up trash container Louisiana's mom I don't know that we have a pass one that's as you have to have they recognize that type of container of the disposable trash you know they they tried to get that for use in years could you remember the always the one with the cross training local strip on the bull. Trash strap trashed him. Yeah they were trying to get that proved in in and navy enforcing the law that had and I think it's a good law. Because you know people a lot of times you don't have a lot of people just taken stuff and you units on the just roll wrappers and Kansan water. But a lot of that stuff blows out. I voted in an open five gallon bucket you get Ron and and known its next thing you know it's all in you know by Evan. A contain no like they have with a little one that is news is some level waste seals at the top. I think that would be good. You know a year ago expo would like twenty miles an hour at seven. Your night. Nine point nine was a big engine and put pedal and wheels gifts and would you that you the king at a bar use you know but not anymore I don't know. The world and efficient world punish wrong because of college fast moving votes in the. Yeah and that annual. Or what it was like. At 72. But point somewhat to my voice goes scored of course. And let them and had to get must idea. Like that goes through it again and bought on side disagreed with the old school at saint dead. Everybody operates. That's so ought to be light than it was a late. Plant aid would be. Twelve foot seven airports while Lenovo. Up to the twin screw them in different. Let's advocates and can you give these guys that the go by a boat bigger sent him out and now. It then or not but you know the rules rose aboard vessels out like. Well that was the purpose of law instituting the the long whereas the youngsters you know born after a certain date after that eco safe boating course. I don't Rick it's not a license but you guys just like this on a safety arm you know you've got it proves that you've been through the class. You've been expulsion of the rules of the road waterways and you understand what's legal what's illegal at least you know that you've been to the course. You've taken at test and you past I think that's a good thing you know what would have happened if they just would have made a blanket. Law that everybody had and that. They went to the naval accommodate that many people and get him in Indian classes so but Villa at the sanctity I think it's now. He fuel born after 84 believe when you haven't they have a cut off date and so that will ensure that people letting getting into operating while votes will have at least some type of training if not an official license. Occasion or start with you that that's going to be this solution that prop all right so guys they ought and it in. Inaccurate that it would do it now. And dignity young people stall at a aerial and becomes secondary and not that bad debts. Now. Linda ecologists before you said he was stopped and warned about wildlife and fisheries that anyone twelve and under even if the ball to stop as to have the PS the all in humorous exchange about that that was now that was now. I would drop by Nolan boats in motion. Anybody think on this its name has. A life jacket on. Right today in my boat when the boats in motion I look at it taught January like that. How it is organized. A lot bigger Frontline. Who drowned. This it'll apple crossed and a canal. And ticket dale quantity course treated but the front month owned it. And you know I'm a real problem tall and that is you know my I'm like Gary you know good diction you know. And unlike terrorists phony umi terrorist phone doesn't have good diction and command of the English language well. Enough but. I don't want out of hand the best speech. We're just thought I'd never went I guess I'm not getting the call. And now it's what you would tell a blow like reserve that it took of me and I went to an old saying what. But joked arena got sick to my tea Salma much you know and yet that. It blows on up into a sweatshirt with a hood in the field Jack. That's out the palace say they don't you can you stroke doesn't votes on what you area. But it sort obviously. He had brow. And I'm not at awake at night now you see is white kids and I crime. That if you're not welcome the leadership that I'd Jack it on you might simply less than you know. Well a lot of a lot of times that the FD certainly makes the difference you know you never know when you can no matter how good swimming or you can get injured as he gets thrown out the vote. In and went water's cold hypothermia sets in and it was the outlook on excellence where you can't last very long unit that cold waters. It's always good it says to have known him. You know let's get this apple. And I got him to where it is yet Ed but to those boys in the gullah traditions. And we knew about it Arco and that's what a lot. And the launch in about me when I got by and Chile. I slowed the boat got a little boards for plot but got the pony blackjack I put on an island prop. Now that that. Christmas I bought and make Campbell lies. Yet no problem at all because it didn't look like Wynette. That that international orange it was noted and me in any war. Originally and in no pay any. It's written books that. That commercial freshmen don't have beware light jacket because real you know. Oh and it'll thank god. That's. Anyway you mentioned months that you're talking about the old what's that east beyoncé and on highway one in new months. Note all much. This is like I'm talking about. All that and aid. In the seven dole much. Yeah yeah I used to stop they're gone duck on all humble it was kind of strange you know you'd. You might be there and camouflaged in medical duck content drinking coffee need those big months biscuits and and couple next to you might be drink in Vienna ahead and got in from the night before you could mean any athlete but these. They know what a lot of people like I used in this bank thing and and now they breakfast and then you know amnesty go for much. Iraq yeah that was one of the great places and saint and augment it was a landmark and and they moved in relocated on Jorge Torres and I think they moved again I'm not sure if they have a place anymore. If they have a doll anymore. An outlet you know. Well I tell you what I remember those big candid biscuits and I'm integrate biscuit greats ought to grow and wanted to come back in the day in the little bots. That you sent me. So what an incredible. And people would look at it you know and then when when they try to take it. It it was it was hooked into what can get out electrical shock that. Eric. Sit on was him that would be typical am gambling and I got to run enjoyed the conversation my friend you sound good and opened its season. Well certainly no doubt cold up a little bit about urgently need bounty a mock. You go. And a new unit that dang you know you know it depends. You've got that right thank you Wayne always in front. I will be right back after this I got some emails coming in some of announcements to make an attorney what's coming up on talk and guns program at 8 o'clock is is more out. And welcome back into more outdoors coming up in the at a clock now will be talking guns with them and urges yet ancestry from Jeff's shoes club in the Jeffs and on outlets. Topics will be talking about including some first date for Europe loaded guns and also about straw purchases in the special on each month we do have gone the month product and now will be talking about that that you hearing on those interviews with. While latest. Reps on. It is excellent dealing with our own also we got questions will take those on my way of telephone line a viable for. 26013. Fifty mark to 60636. Avery consent which it is text messaging and the studio at 870870. A couple things I want to cover here get texts and emails in a pretty regular throughout the week. I had this when Kenya and from will. Wanted to blow one it took it take these young sons of fishing. I don't have a lot of experience doesn't have a vote. Look at an inflammation and ran across my list of thank fishing spot some web site he's gonna try to build some of those but he says he's. In the they'll chase there with owning any bank fishing spots in new plaque humans and any other resource is. What I suggest that the will and when I read Jesus wants I think that applies some good information for broader audience. A good thank edition spot. On the West Bank. Good one is down there and go Fort Jackson. Located. Far down Rivet so almost have mumbled field. But you can drive right there to the Ruble and the crossover. And set up there and bring some pretty stout here now in an awesome monster river catfish. And that that the lower the Rivet gets the better it is it's a little bit of arise right now. Probably could do some nice patient right now but when advocates really low. That the capping stack up in them but also some bread feast a slope that salt ones which and they actually move up from the gulf and and give up that that far into the review pretty easily so that's a good. Thank fishing spot at one brings in kids it's a pretty relaxing it's got to be careful to clamp Aussie people. Wading out into the river and it's going to be community that be very very careful floating. I also wanna thank I guess Jules crawled. Senior agent police department wallet and fisheries. Dove season is opening up next Saturday morning I'm gonna be headed out of here in going there I mean after the program to crane creek. If you wanna come along there are still few openings for that. It's a 150 dollars per gun that entitles you to any new barbecue lunch and a spot in the field until sunset. And the report from Lance led or was it or more and more doubts coming into the field each day he was going out and inspect and Michael couldn't have a good time. So interest in doing that got a number to call him you can call him at 60191668. 73 in mid wicket Casilla out. Also don't think it should gov checklist as. As jolt was telling us you know. Sometimes the final final with you running over eight. It sure responsibilities honored asked the questions inspect the field and it looks good you know seen anything piles of grain corn. And usually heavy concentrations of colonel one part of the yield. And you asked the land owner known person that you're running with. What type of period is. Doing what's considered normal act cultural activities. I'll look for something that was placed in the field but not grown there that could be a tip off the red flag. And don't get yourself in patrol look at sure issue and every. On Saturday following the opening of the dove season I get a list of laws across the state that have been sighted on angle debate so don't be one of while also log also guilty to check a couple of things you far on make sure it's in good work in order will probably talked. DeVon Moore about that. Haven't done it Colbert clean it up check for obstructions. Make sure the plug is ended it for any reason you remove the plug you know the plug that device that you put in. The magazine to limit yourself at three shells that he'd take the plug out most guns you can put five semi and sixth. The agent comes up in east exit. The shells in there and media more than three you get a ticket on it without a plug. Make sure you get she knew when he sixteenth 117. Hunting license. And that each shot he allowed to get the license and they figure they need to harvest information permit. And a lot of times it's not the fault of the homeless by and the license that person at the Clark at the big bucks or. Won't even ask you do you need in HIT you going to be hunting dogs if you wall are they ask you a series of questions. Did you want certain birds last season approximately how many did you shoot. Once you complete that it doesn't cost anything it's called August inflammation permit it helps the managers. State and federal get a better handle on what's being taken its forms in numbers numbers to make sure you got licensed the HIP. You plug in shotgun not all the hunting over bait and you should have a good time. Also the casting senate in May and they'll tomorrow from noon to six got a big fund racism really dollar. Prizes that'll be awards only point five dollars to get in dolls that kids twelve and under. This is to raise money for the officers who were shot unfortunately some of those killed one is still fighting for his life who was shot multiple times. The funds will be used for their families. And help defray the expenses of you can help out with that. Stop all the they're going to be who live in its name and is going to be on all of the fountain blue state park location of asking sent rattle on only 190. In manned. Speaking amended bill we talked today literally of very important meeting and talking about banning here. Caucuses from coming into the state by out of state on as if you want your opinion heard. Show up in man to till 7 o'clock on Monday or Tuesday at 630. In Lafayette at the US GS national wetlands research center red snapper you got til next Sunday night to catch him and and its plan to close it down. Will see after they get the numbers in weather will be reopened this fall wait till next year. Coming up next it's talking guns on more outdoors on three WL thirteenth. And welcome into more out doors and this being the final Saturday of the month on the last week talking guns and we'll get to that information just the second of those have you wondering what happened to keep launch of the award winning keep bullish about the way. He has agreed to do a two hour program on September the tenth and a couple of weeks. And so that's why you did not do the little short fishing report as usual this lasts in the mountains 7 o'clock hour. But Keith will be with you for a full two hours he's got a great show planned I'm going to be on assignment in that time. So Keith will be up filling in the hole to allow him at this hour it's talking guns time you wanna talk guns with a skull as viable for. 26013. Fifty or 6368. Will work. You can also text in a question a comment to 870870. Joining us is our regular tackles Devin bridges in Yemen century a guy's high yield them. He's doing fantastic it's good to be combat in the studio in this where it. Afternoon. Yeah how wet is the word look guys I'll was kind of one and out talk the Michael Meyer a cement I don't know. You know the we have information that the over this week's fit all of the sudden. All of these ideas thought pop and up and coming up so we were at the end of the show we gonna have a gun product of the month that we've also gonna talk about a firearm sales and trades on social media. First aid for firearms for flood victims and also. That. Legal gun purchases and all the ships limit that that crazy aged between eighteen and 21 years old comic cover that's that you guys WAU wanna start. Oh we can start anywhere. Let's see let's start at the let's give the people to the west of us a little props here and start with them since they've been affected by this devastating flood. And won't tell them how to get their guns looking. And functioning better than they were before if they were underwater at all the owner's house is there were affected by the flood. You know we should've learned a lot from Katrina has bought that which miserable enormous amount of far homes were. Affected while encouraging kids. There where if there's any upside to this and there's not much. It is said with Katrina we we definitely if you lose people. But. There's a small silver lining if there's any and they had fresh water which which we had so wore shoes now. So fresh water Doug had salt water is he had Toxics. And god knows what to order. So fresh watered does not attack. The garden quite likes ordered it's said the key there is to get to the gun quick. Circuit back in yours in your neighborhood of active ghetto and when we get those guns quick. And obviously seems to inspect an image as an anti. And if there's no visible signs that the started to rest that they probably will be but it does no visible signs that they started to rest silicone. In oil silicone comes in you rag warm. You can kind of or store along with many other gun shops. If you grabbed the gun and that silicone ran you know prevent it from rusty further. In the first thing I would do is contact the manufacturer. I'm after years you know clean it up a little bit low light or on that I'm contacting manufactured you'd be very surprised. Mean Iowa is. At least. To find that there's gun manufacturers. Have a hard not they're not like a lot of other big businesses they were oh. Sympathizes. With disasters that happen around. Our country so like Clark for instance. You. The year where you could cinder block and if you. Were from post-Katrina. New Orleans and you have a gun that was. You know on the water and Hayward fix it for you were nurture artists and yours but certainly won't pack and label. And that would do it all for you so that's your first step that won't cost you any money list. Actors. As. 90% of Lamar you'd be surprised that now. Relievers talked to some news you. How good hearted. The community and the gun coaches. But the yeah o'clock Smith & Wesson root beer in camber did it wrong. Coal. And not my favorite right now but. You know it's it's it's funny how they're gone coach dual band together after the disaster and it's another it's not quietly and the other. You know and you know. Community. Him. It's pretty cool. Well what about and your shop would you take guns in and get him to your guns Smith and that might be a long process because we know and hunting seasons here besides that so it's gonna probably be. They're going to be inundated with Orix. Yeah we would do our best. But it's. We can only do so much you know for free. Until it comes to appointees at the pale little bit this would be you know we only tell you this because this would be your best option to not pay a dime and you might be able to get a brand new gun out of the DO. Now us we will have a Goldsmith on staff. Do you mean we can look at and tell you if this gun is is really shot or if you just need to put some more oil on others on them but but you could. Almost a 100% of the time sand. A you know contact the manufacturers in my house. And in my city Pope air shall live in the state. It was underwater. You know I bought a gun from all love it. You know are conditioned me something for me to send back to you block in unionize. Disown him. Other than bull with that a little announcement is you don't don't always trust them and not everybody that's a gun Smith is actually announcement. Bryant right then you have another problem that she didn't tear he did you go and somebody that doesn't know what they're doing. You you be surprised how many. Quote unquote guns minutes pop up that were friends that you never knew or gun Smiths. That's because then not got business it gives you have to do the gun to two amendment they break it down and. Destroy that they'll get the run all right or block my I had not figured I'm back because and blast in the prior Ezra you might have it in a barrel and everything else that was that was the big dog. Well for the do it yourself. On minor cases where they got to it in a relatively short period of time mine at cleaning products and things that you could fix them up with the way they could go to. Yeah absolutely and we're not you know when you come in and coconut. I'm abandoned you with that either would tell you exactly what to do but are you know. Just to. To be honest our first steps gonna Peter tell you to contact the manufacturer and did as much as you can for free under the warranty program pentagon offers. Haven't said that yet it doesn't look bad if there's no visible signs of rust. You know if that carbon is the activists famous gun. There that are made up a high content of carbon steel which isn't as brittle. But does have you Dodi rushed and its famous studio that's found in a firearm is completely. Stainless to Wear won't rust aura. Or degrade. But if it's not you know visibly worn if it's not visibly rusted over. And and brutal to the point. We'll show you how to you know it is to get that rust off if it's a light phase of it hasn't start to pick yet. That's the main thing once it starts to rest and pit that's when you're written you're in trouble but you know we over just at the Brooklyn new guns of four and was more than happy to recruit over the into heaven system. Yet I don't know way to tell people look on FaceBook but he came across my news feed one day and I just didn't pay attention to name. There was a guy who had a breakdown of how he he kind of drive is out a couple of times now. And he gets on those ego. That big it's plastic storage bins. And you that's the kind of dry out naturally he's he's his advice was not to try to force. Force Brian any kind of way you exit in the sun or anything like that because the medals porous. And it always trip a little bit of moisture in there and you know you can easily think he got everything out and not have all the moisture out he was putting them in a plastic bin with with a couple of bags at this weekend. And there was a ratio used tonight I just don't member of but the name was but he he he sits in there with a drug like overnight. And exit polls about he claimed to pose a slower and better. What is Shaw's experience with all these little packets of these. Things that they I have some of my output and mug unsafe I don't know whether or not whatsoever swallow moment there and Bob. They have a unit known enough to be not for human consumption all I'll pay that strictly. But he sure experiences those things really worthwhile to literally worked out. Yet it's similar to cigars human doors and things gently. There or it's you have to. There's a little ratio also that you have to find out how big of a safe or room you have in how many of those you need. There's just taken one of those out of you know the packet became an important one and you save probably isn't union anger at one other tablets are one others. The conflict PO sponges. When others is mainly for like a a smaller drive barks. So if you have a room or large say if you need many of those. You know the that these it was that race you on the back of the box. Don't basic rule of helmets and it's all someone has had a gun that was exposed to float all in have a friend it is and you know a lot of times people on me didn't. Concentrating their focus on Tim and a sheet rock and carpets and it comes stuff the quicker the better with a final on. And because it is fresh water like he's saw some nasty stuff from the salt water and fresh water and not nearly as bad at getting to a quake in. Getting the proper equipment in Nike's first thing you start with a manufacturer while they would do that point it's and it Tillman let them. Given a complete cleaning and Luke and get him back to you that would be tremendous. And let somebody check it out because just because it doesn't have visible rust or anything else doesn't mean water vineyard on the inside and everything's gone you know. He could've eaten everything up you don't know he would take it apart and chicken and everybody knows how to do. I'm very good let's take a break here we come back up until about the fire on sales and trades it's happening on social media or not some of the they spoke in Craig's list so are saying that we are not gonna allow this on our side it's been done immune people tell me that they do in some cases they don't care what the heck is going on. With social media with regard to our own sales entries will be right back. DeVon Burgess Gavin century on down to you can with talking guns on more outdoors on three W all. Thirteen 58. And one of the things we do love about the show as we get the talk about him play with guns we love guns Devin Burgess and Gavin century chips and shoes club and gypsum come out little witness once a month we get together and we talk exclusively about firearms firearms issues and today. No exception. I'll firearm. Buying selling and trading on social. Media. I don't. Do that at all Austin middle time Lee sack him on social medium that in the gossip in on his presence business and all was coming years they stuff. But there are some very good used the social media is this a good use for par on. It's meant is could he say that I'm Monica super you'd done in utilized and com. As we do yeah no it's it's not down Craig's list and FaceBook have publicly. Denounced firearms in the past. Fans. In May be surprised and him he says but it that's their right to do you minutes your right just as it is your right. Not to use them you can you know. No longer be affiliated with FaceBook if you want an that would shock the world of people started you're hampered. Craig's list FaceBook. They don't want you to put. And the yourself on fire on one there for whatever reason to go on and desperate. And it's right you know I don't agree with a but it's their right in that you were right to go somewhere else or better option for that. Would be like guns America dot com or go on broker. Dot com gun brokers it is an awesome side it's like you day. But for guns are far better viewers on their parents have just one guy that's randomly selling his. Rifle for twice as much as he and I he thinks it's worth. It's it's a fair bidding cited. Which reputable and he did a vast network of people that are selling some more things so you get the best prices. So like gun broker a lot and much more than FaceBook group for excellence. Well I saw I guess non brokered dot com gives the National Rifle Association in the Second Amendment foundation. All the Eagles organization just another rise to continue to fight for them as I'm sure this. Somebody's taken the shot at trying to get them taken off the side. On short it you gotta go out you know support. The people that are supporting. We're cure supporting. I don't know why you would want to you know try to go engines were FaceBook wants because it's. You know they don't support guns that aren't clear but there are gun rights that don't even want guns mentioned are posted on their their sides so. Even if you could not wouldn't support. You know bad in that in that regard to it to firearms I would support somebody and join aside you know that supports went on supporting. And you know big sales advice for people who will do these transactions while Indian. I was gonna say that those big cites 'cause America go broke or stuff like that. Are you pretty much you sellers of vetted out and so you buyers and you know you know which you deal with those guys live and die on their reputation also. You go to these private sites you mean you have no idea who you're dealing with. The gun looks good it doesn't mean. Didn't take it apart and take a drum Opel to a 64 times because they live and die by what they read on Internet. You can I. I don't think you can never trust that it's a 100% above board because it may not be the guy and I bought from in a minute be DeVon. When I'm by the gunman he could've bought it from a guy that. Bought from somebody elsewhere it was stolen and now he's got it now I have it now I lose the money in the gun ala kind of stuff when he goes through. Bigger sites you know it's they disposals doubts the ATF and makes a whole world of difference to me. I just don't trust Craig's list then FaceBook for that kind of stuff. At all. Well I'll always liked the idea that you don't know. He's the with the Donald somebody can meet me some play helmets in the part of not a target and look at this shotgun in the truck I don't think the probably it's reading it. I. Let's move on to the the other topic no one talk about this you know eighteen to 21 years of age Obama. A catch twenty Tuesday. Eighteen year olds can do a lot of things but the you know legally each tranche is. 11 old but yet an eighteen year old and possess. A correct. Yeah dead there OK so basically and that showed Evans knows more about the laws and eyes of the world but. Basically in a nutshell weak and or if you have. A yes son or daughter. We get this a lot bigger they're going off to college you know the nineteen they can purchase their own handgun. But you as their legal guardian. As a parent. Or someone in their family can buy them a firearm legally and they can legally use it in self defense if need be they just can't. Carry it concealed on their person they need to be 21 have a concealed carry permit but you can. In a way authorize your. Eighteen year old in order. To have a handgun as long as its purchase legally. You know by guardian you can give it to them to you to use for self defense as long as the abide by the law as obviously and they're not carrying a concealed on their person. That that you have to be torn when foreign and Eckerd and at a conserved her apartment as well. Well they also have to have a letter from whatever family member is. That that basically gives then usage of the gun there and you know while they have occurrence of returns when he won. I've I've never ridden one of those I don't know exactly which who put in it. Euro the problem there has become Rosen law enforcement of the no actually know that that's the case probably not it is. Nine times out of ten come across my 1718 years old with a pistol is permanent and anything. Above board with it. But. Do you know you know Alec and go with though they gonna believe you when you get stopped and say well I have a letter from my dad he's Dominican music maybe maybe not. Well. So Paul have been talking about handguns what about a a shotgun taken about teenage physical running I mean certainly somebody 181920. Years old and totally different. Regulations governing use a shotgun slow long rifles. Yes. At eighteen thing in my of their own the most it's on suddenly change this week at eighteen they can buy their own rifle or shotgun. Did eighteen you can buy era un rifle a shotgun however the the shotgun. If you're under 21 cannot be partners is a group below bird won but it's along we got to follow a if you hit if you're eighteen you can buy a shotgun. As long as win you purchase the shotgun and it doesn't come with a pistol grip. Configuration. On the shotgun at the time of purchase. You can buy a shotgun with out a pistol grip. And put one on it labor you just cannot buy it with that already attached to the firearm. I don't know where that came from or what that since that makes Camara and made sense that some well I guess it did it but. But that's the way news. I know the lawmakers that got that as. It's an incredible makes that is that. Replaceable and I guess it's. It's just so after market and aftermarket customer Oakland that's the the team is now. All right so that Conroe leads into the next topic witches straw purchases. It's got to be clearly a parent buying a gun for that child does that. Come Monday. Step children adopted children nor is going to be blood relative how does that work as far Harley. You know claim this is definitely for the challenge enough to have them and he birth certificates and. What is a few steps in understanding. What we do. And where our right is not only and you know the rights that we have but the responsibilities. Given to us win we opened an FFO. You know licensed gun store. And Enron one within the confines of the law. Have to start. Straw man purchases straw purchases did a bad. View from the outside so you kind of have the Rio employees and every now and then because a straw purchase does not mean that it can't buy a gun for dampen or I can buy a gun for you'd and it means that and knowingly. Purchasing a firearm for somebody who cannot legally purchase it themselves. So when you're given that responsibility. Yes and that's a thorough and somebody that works behind the counter. You have to keep in mind that you will be punished if you knowingly do this so we have them. Not only the right but we have the responsibility. To refuse service to anyone that we want to do I'm just on those basis if we. You know we don't we try not to do this but if we don't like the way you look or some you just said. It's our responsibility. Not to sell you gun because if we sell it to you when you. You know we heard you on the phone talking about. Robbins on the menu go rob a place and they can prove that we knew that weren a lot of trouble of the polar if that fell the people behind them. Distort me the manager Mike the owner were all held responsible also. We don't have to silica and anybody. Com. But saying that. You know we we try not to walk on anybody's rights because we know we're there was like for Democrats. You know try to stop polar roars are we try to. Walked that fine line as best we can end inspectorate or question if you if you if you come into by a gun. Expression of reason to find one for your wife for your your husband. And your husband Don but it woman's husband and hit the survive. It's if you're going to buy a gun for your spouse that's community properties and that's. Definitely not illegal which yours you know is terrorism answers as there was it's July or not. But if you are buying a gun for someone who cannot. Buy a gun themselves. You know that's that's the big amount ago and that's who we try to stop as best beaches. I don't see how they could hold you. Lob bullets and that sells licensed dealer. Honey you'll use psychic cutting you know there was gonna do with a gun they come into my gun and an eagle so little give it to somebody who couldn't pass the background and you don't have any idea that there should be totally on them. It's very varied and differ court but what I tell our employees is. You don't necessarily have to act says you know judge and jury you don't have the serene these people through all these questions at least take a step back. And just listen you you'll be surprised what people were just tell you I don't know why. But I was walking into my office the other day. And I didn't and and I'm in my work clothes so I guess it's apparent that it worked there but some random guy came out to me today and it cannot be in him a felon. While we're not even kept behind him and you don't even know why am I unit you know just wealth up that you're walking up the people in the store asking it to convene an intelligent Europe fell and so. They don't pure you re surprised that it just by listening way it. You configure road you know people's intentions its discount a bird at the same time you know within their. Indeed is there any. Indication that ATF is actually sending agents out into places like yours and in in in going through things that you know scenarios to try to catch you and entrapped you into something like that. You know bush it to be honest I wouldn't. Would be that upset if they did down and hear me out because about. Five or six years ago when I started going work and at that the store and go and interior Jefferson gone and purchasing guns. I. I would give the guys talking about it. You know this guy came in it's obviously a straw purchase and you know or a young kid came in viewers eighteen in a bunch of thirty year old gangsters came in room and they came by the guns or with the dew is this in the kid in. And get him to buy three or four guns and that's with the used in crimes. They used to be able to report that in with then you know minutes she could get the deed to his people to stay in the store and within minutes ATF would show up and either arrest them or question them. Which was great. You know you had somebody backing you for. For obvious you legal situations now. Totally different nowadays it it almost seemed like they don't care and it's frustrating. So if they did do that it would almost be you know comforted to know that not only other look at mad at us and we got to be on our game bird. They're helping. Controlled the situation could spin out of control without any help. I guys we're gonna take a break we come back Gammon Yoon. Concealed carry instruct them know that topic of use of deadly forces of very important on an instruction. Wanna talk about that issue that took place over on the West Bank that we always have these in these current event is this is that take place whether. Store clerk went mountain shot that is the burglary and no robber wouldn't you wanna call him in the lake. And then he got arrested will be right back quit talking guns on three WL thirteen fifty governor if you listen to this station in do it on an FM signal that very clear signal and some errors it's hard to reach on thirteen fifty check it out at 105 point three. FM HD annual via good crews clean after MCI. We're talking guns DeVon bridges Gavin century in studio withers and guys don't wanna make sure we have enough time to line here aren't on product of the month the six hour of the crown am mortal wanna miss that but. I issue came up this week maybe you heard about maybe didn't I heard about it actually on his radio station. A bomb. In Manhattan store clerk at a gas station someone came in. Attempt it is so to steal low liquor I think the value of what was almost seventy dollars and whatever was. He left the store on the clerk quality amount shouting in the leg. Called police the police came and arrested the store work issued. You know use of deadly force that probably Gavin when you give you concealed carry classes. Is equally as important as the proficiency part of the proficiency part of it could teach you to be safe than you are on save your physical life. But knowing the use of deadly force him to shoot and when not to shoot that could save your economical and you manulife if you wanna put it down your freedom. And you freedom exactly this guy is gonna go to a lot of trial I don't know he's going to be convicted only going to be fine that is life has definitely changed. But the other side of that is to. Do we just let these people know in a lot of cases that the companies to big companies that only allow employees to have a gun on one. And the bad guys know that in number two. They know that they can get away with stuff because it's illegal to shoot the molesters of Allan fear of bodily great bodily harm or death. You know display of that person and they don't have the right to shoot them this is it was a press example was Michael Brown. Now that Ferguson Missouri that thought went into the story was jump in the the oriental rug and convenience store look around take him would he want to just walked out cause he probably did it on a regular basis accidentally met up with the Reno with. The officer down Wilson whose life he ruling didn't. The whole thing spawns all kind of destruction and devastation in the holes city over the sky in a thug in get away with a because he knew we could. What do you tell people to do these cases do we just let them come take what they want walk outs they see you later have a good day both column on our insurance. You hate to tell them that you hate to tell him that but that's that's the camp by going to only because I know this Indian intro. You know in the in that case and you match in Manhattan was in here in the West Bank was in Manhattan last night and there is a man and only cookies that guy's done in matter. Come you know he wasn't preventing a felony he said it was sending out with a liquor. That guy was exiting the store and he ran out behind him is would it sound like that's all my nose. You know I don't know that's basically almost force that suits in one. You know leave. He's flinging is no longer a threat to him or anybody else and that's the war he's probably outside the store now he followed now. Are they gonna judge in the abbey the primary aggressor the very well may be because. He jumped up my account with the guns is the mountain part about it side. You know what was intent when he shot and he just wanna stop him and hold it for a police. You're on a slippery slope there because you no longer under. Any kind of threat a great bodily injury or imminent death and he shot him in the league and if you look at any of you homicide statutes they all start with the intent to kill or. Intent and hopefully great bodily injury just put him in the lately as a great bodily injury. So now and they go after pretend that second degree murder. They could it's gonna depend on which way the wind blows. I hate to say that but it. Would I advise anybody to do that no. Not at all but then again like you said with the duty to let it happen. You know who anybody can listen to this show anybody can read those that to anybody can take a class. They know what they can get away with in what they can't. You know I say that so I don't know which we do that's the biggest gray area areas. I don't know what that is the case who have been on think in this busy this guy probably was store owner I don't know that for a fact that to take that much interest and you know if it's just an employee working for now wait keying on up note on Chase Utley is currently I would think but this is probably eight case what is was not the first time this happened. It probably happened on a regular basis and the guy just got out of it got to guns and I'm not gonna put up this and in May well be in that same guy more about time could you don't could have been. But you know here he gets arrested he's going to be tied up the court could be charged could be fun dude I don't know if you would go to jail if it is possible but. It was clear is only run lower rate. Yeah that is just so frustrating to sit back and it is who we got to do is let them deliberately. Right and it's easy to say call the police but you know who. But yeah a leg right yeah. And in just in Paris they're going to be days you know in the in the city goes for guys it may be two hours three cows for doubtful that can break free to get over something like that. You know so would you do your ultimate gunpoint and then have charged with false imprisonment or in. You damned if you do and damned if you don't just about you know to a support with a guy did yeah as a business owner yes. But then again legally would advise anybody do that no I would tell him not to do that is when ago and called police you know. How would say when this was all over the bill also limits the side of whichever way it goes. He's probably gonna say ball which when it made the wrong decision but a lot of cases you don't have much time to make a decision which. Nugget as he probably had two seconds to do to it to make that decision. Was he regretted very well may you know he may regrets when an underground legal fees now. Two years of his life you know what's gonna happen as the bad part. Rules always. Take a break in and get back to the the crown mammal on the on the product of the month one more thing in line with this. As far as what you suggest people to do in these instances mean. I don't know you know the question is gonna come up that would let these people go to let him get away with it on that we that we. You know bring it to a halt some Con-way. I don't know what. You know its system on most things you can't really tell somebody to do enough to do you can't and I think thing. I think in the big picture a lot of that stuff will not stop until people start taking matters in their own hands they say that but then again. Good news you Walken aligning itself in real trouble. And they though you had any experience with these companies that offer off our own insurance protection where if this happens they provide you legal defense and it's pretty nominal cost I don't know if they come through more of the league on your own when it happens in view that has any experience unknown any customers. That it dealt with that and had to resort to using. It. I get asked about that every every week. I don't know I don't know anybody that's thankfully that's used it. I think it's like all insurance I think you throw money down a hole until you needed what you mean you really needed in early in the give you an percent. What they told you that indicated I think they're gonna fights on it. Most Lu bu the credible ones that I have read actually review your case beforehand even if you've been paying that premium if they don't think you have a self defense claim. And I can back you. Or is it better than nothing and it may it may be. You can also now line up with the cheapest lawyer in the room which may not be good idea to me it's my doesn't really good job for you but then again maybe not. And the wheezing and insurance wise is a full disclosure state which means if I have a policy. That they covered and kind of liability. The opposition's devices need to have the right to know what the policies work. So if I have to learn 50000 dollars in insurance. You know a case that suits in my pursuit Devin and then invite a lawsuit where they're looking just the world waiver to 25. It very well may and then. So I don't know I don't know what to tell people with I think you gotta freedom and consider your options though. We've heard the way things present them is that you know vegan to defend you you know they went over the legal cost thought they represent you whether they think you got a case. When they presented when they fulfill it who knows. We've heard good things about the NRA. There. You know civil and and libel defense attorneys that the state that once you join me in our day especially if Europe and there's two different level was your lifetime member in the if you just joined in Britain. For one joint and generous is not a bad idea. You're supporting once again supporting somebody who supports your rights to future. In Oregon person. You know I think if you lifetime member and that's the idea that need to be a lifetime member arrive separately but. Haven't said that you're getting. You know the backing of one of the largest. In Oregon and the largest gun supporting Yemen although if you look at the fine print all loans review the case before and what they do it in its stupid I think you're getting you know things that are. Have somewhat of value in and joining me are an officer giving that that little bit of backing whatever it is you know from from if you were two years. That firearm but but going back to that. There's been a golden rule that is always stuck. And my head and it's one of the only things that's how people when they bring up these crazy scenarios one of the guy comes in my chimney and stock but he's gotten done and I got a gun and my children clean and the chimney now and then went and just crazy things and if you always. If you had to have people come up with some crazy stuff but if you always. Keep in mind that if you only shoot. To save a life. And never to only take one. That's a good starting point. Cerro. Directed that the guy that that the gas station at the he's probably in trouble. Which is unfortunate but but again he's. If if you live by that rule. You know only shoot to save a life and never to take one yeah you probably didn't need to shoot that guy but again you know it's his stories frustrated and I understand where is coming from and its the. It is well maybe it's time to revisit some laws maybe use the laws would change it would become instant only in the time of great bodily armagh. The possibility of death at Texas property taxes that it could predict could be. Something to think about Zelda we got a break to take a comeback and we get to hear all about six now is the crown and a bowl and I'm sure it devil's in the light penciled in on four gets after we get back. Give his take on it will be right back with talking guns on three dump all right and that was a member ought to it Demi did a great job bringing him along and we traded him well. Is a good guy yeah actually. Help train me when I when I was into the store so it's the other way around he's uses -- guy he is the actually the manager of the the new range. Jefferson indoor range Hammond Richard moss. Group room and very knowledgeable about everything else. Up our minds. All right well if neither of you guys had a chance to it is to use this on the range and all it sounds real good a lot of you know. Talked a good game with a but when it comes right down to it have you gotten a chance to. Get experience with a is that accurate is it as proficient as he says and June overall opinion on on the crown them. There we started carrying their self defense ammunition which is there the crown. And it works great very reliable and which area a lot of it and almost every caliber. They also have full metal jacket ammunition so. What did with it try to do is use there firearms and and how they've made them. And aspect to the ammunition that there are also manufacturing which is really cool sir if you have a firearm that. You notice you know sometimes of our hunt right Foreman likes a certain weight ammunition. You can now match sitting with a handgun another Macon like you know long guns they are style arrive was with. The ammunition that sees Americans over it's it's in itself flawless generated a record that you have manufacturers. Fire on company manufactures make him guns and now make an ammunition for the guns that are as compatible orgy and its that's that's a pretty core step forward there's a lot of companies doing that. Will those rounds with those properties is there any trade off where you've giving anything up accuracy wise distance wise to get what you are you getting as far as the the minimal bulls separation in the maximum expansion prop. Well I mean to be honest there's always going to be you always have to give a little bit of something up to did it sound and you know if you want them heavier weight. And less record or you're not gonna did you know as accurate a longer distance if you wanna shoot you know thousand yardage you're gonna have to Jack up your powder. Or get a letter bullet you know for stability or something or increased both tremendously. Immensely so you always have to give up a little bit but and they fine tuned it in a way to where you and matched CJ munition with zig firearms. In and have the best possible outcome you know of seasons ago on an alien. The teacher even get to each about the price of would you consider this moderately priced and finances we don't believe and how we you have stock it's gigs Foreman or Jack and ammunition in our range it's it's Archie. So there are right at point with you know. The most reliable cheapest range ammunition that we confide in opinions the few key mag Tek. S in this and be so. So yeah it's not as come from sage and you think to be super expensive but it's not. I guys people want more information about Jefferson gone outlet the indoor shooting range or Egyptian shooters club. Where can I find where they can always go. In the stores 6719 airline is a indeed that's stepped in and or ranging depth and an outlet 2030 Pickering. Is it a that I wanted to. It'll assault wanna get tickets in. It analyzes and him had 737722. You can reach me at 7337695. Competency is what we're talking to you next on dollar they are. 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