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Hour 1: The More Things Change The More They Stay the Same: After One Game the Saints are First in the League Offensively and Dead Last Defensively

Sep 15, 2016|

Despite making FIFTY SIX roster moves in the final couple of weeks of camp Saints fans saw an dreadfully familiar loss take place on Sunday. With the defensive woes that the Saints currently have is there any chance they can stop Eli Manning, Odell Beckham, and one of the most explosive offenses in the entire league? Find out with T-Bob Hebert and Kristian Garic.

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That provide good evening welcome into the Wednesday edition of double coverage here on WW LC to radio the home healed tiger along with T body there are resident tiger on Christian Garrick in. Ten Zimmer a master control. They're good show coming your way today Jordan one on ESP NFL nation reporter for the New York Giants who behind in the line. Stephen stingray now ray is is to be state Bulldog fan at 920 report back and a is it Jordan ran on or dirt and rotten. Because it's our eight day in me and is RE NC. This is a peek behind the curtain accident check with with our producer I just curious about this last animals yours to eat or Gina. But yeah I'm gonna go. Rodman Ron in OK although that. Below that regardless Stephen stingray. Ray in the cities they Bulldog fan joining us at 920 is easily the background on our on mr. ray yes so the stingray. If you're Paul five bond fan he got pretty famous I think it's when you go in in the last year's Ellis humidity state matchup it is yeah he had his video that went a bit viral. Look eight at the time I was incredibly impressed with this thing grace passion. That passion for the game has only grown. He's got a rant that you'll hear later that he's already prepared for LSU or less is stupid urchins as he likes to call them. So we're gonna sit down would stingray or to pick his brain about this weekend's game he's got to ramp plan for. Tiger prints to get ready. Talk about the dogs are gonna height a leg on. Also I got to figure out this from stingray markets according to his Twitter bio. He is a Alabama graduate from Alabama school analysts and her mask come or the other yeah it is as. Die hard hailed state as it comes in Christian big about this. In terms of what is easier as a college football fan like. Are you are you eat it does he have like gay is he amassed a kiss like this he does he likes helpfully he's you like to self inflict pain. Why would you willfully choose to cheer for zeevi state over Alabama. Season and against the grain guy as you know. I appreciating by and its history. It's like it it's like being presented with you know a pot of gold and turning your back on it for like a ball of clay or something. Plenty of LSU Mississippi State 9 o'clock hour Cody wars you'll join us well in 940. A real shoot the ball for tiger rag dot com start off this hour a talk and saints and giants this Sunday in a the meadowlands MetLife stadium. Then vaunted explosive. Giants' offense now Beckham junior Victor Cruz this also is back Eli Manning. Are also sterling Shepperd as well mats of against the saints secondary with talked about that's the one that's the matchups to watch also. Last year it only is going to be a 5249. Kind of game he saw lash or because the giants spent eight on a money this offseason along that the line. And we'll get into the that is going to be the matchup that potentially decide the outcome of this game now. As far as scoring goes though. The history of this of this Ceres recently has been pretty insane. So for 2003 to 2015 this key these teams made said met seven times. The winner never scored less than 27 points ever five of those seven times. The winner put up at least 45 point and then an an a first for any NFL rivalry in in the in league history. The winning team in the last match of Christian has scored at least 48 points so somebody's I've been going to score line here. The unfortunate part is just off the bat looking at it analyzing. You kind of leaning towards that team beat the giants as opposed same. Under Shawntae in the states have cut and the giants number be between twelve and done that and the giants beat the saints to only twelve on the about a year but. He saw last year. It was 2011. Giants came here got the doors blown off on. Vastly different teams they'll just for the record though. Well and yes so he body image that 2012 games so they scored 42 and in that game and in that was the Archie has scored 49 I believe in that. Game you know they scored 52 in that game between told him which is the most. That they scored in any game up until last year's 49. So for whatever reason I and I don't think it's hard to understand why both teams traditionally. Have bearded quarterback it's a very good offenses import deepens on the other side of the ball. But when these two meet offensive fireworks take. Place phone lines open at 504260187. Text 8787 we will saints defense holed up in new Yorker is Eli and the giants for a full game and can the saints' secondary hang. The giants in O'Dell Beckham junior Victor Cruz and company can weigh in at 5042 isn't so 1870. This one's gonna inching to the saints ranking 27 India in a Telecom power rankings 27. Right ahead Lou. Cleveland. Able agreement insisting we re now I've field by about the direction we're headed yeah we are slowly but surely as the city becoming the Cleveland's out. Exit the problem is thirty have a LeBron James and we Steele can't win receiving that yeah well your rock in this very questionable ping ping time Al's leading you in the studio tonight I got my pals here I was actually bring this up like say to tell you my shirt. That's that Alec to called the Eminem tactic if you've ever seen eight mile. Going into the final freestyle battle he just basically insults himself pulling around his freestyle they kind of says it. Third your hands up in the air anyway and then all of a sudden is battling opponents like well what do I do it to go so it's not disarm you so well. Good luck because when I'm looking at. This big hole up fine sayers will hold. There's a lot to work like there's a lot to unpack here tattoos on display limited chest hair pocono the top. Iron tribe brought the guns are looking better I don't know if for quite detained top no right to take top level Elena. We're not clearly however it was the first grad today back in the gym bag so you know what we don't judge it for you that as you know. I yeah he's saying yeah he were in Syria like like like the proud peacock absolutely striding around coffee at your chest wall mile there's there's. Guys and gals of much much much better condition in the and I don't really you're right I I was a little timid likes to hide should be aware and take up you know and day at a place like this hey loudly and let it. If it speaks to who lie and those like you. It would be so appropriate for me of all people to be like you know what out here where. I was going to say if there's one thing that I have learned from you it is. That and an inordinate amount of self confidence can go a very long way. Yeah I except like come back for your phone calls here to about a crush on double coverage and involve on the phone lines to 60187 text 8787. On Twitter at T about 53 actress and Garrett. As well this WL IMF and the knock on. Saints general manager and executive vice president Mickey Loomis stand in Reno Lagos. Good stuff there from Larry Altria Lincoln a minute when you talk about how ultimately those that are crying and screaming for Mickey Loomis is job after having. To what 47% a year cap. Yeah hi yeah is dead money. And forty million dollars in your like right app for just like 38 something or whatever rounded up. But. Discreet the first job now do they want they won't be fired you're wasting your time. Mean Larry Larry nailed it and he's absolutely right. He's so entrenched because. Of what he told what he said it would comments is that earlier which was. The best thing I ever did. Was moving him elevating into the general manager yeah position. And and look we've talked about it a lot on this show but the saints right now as source ownership goes him. The head coach in the front office they had to get one of the most unique set ups in the entire NFL. In that yeah. Head coach is one of the main decision makers in their grooming he wields a lot of power like. You don't have an owner that is it necessarily as. Involved with the day to day anymore. He's not applying pressure or you know maybe the pressures of a Tom Vincent of of the past writing a a younger tub is where. If you had had this kind of very. Gary public very visible mean there's all kind of articles through every dad's that every ally I have right now but it. You would like pressure would be applied to his front office or most any other owner. In the entirely however. Mickey Loomis is in wood into an even three football right is that Curry's he is he always been. Reliable as he always been able what's been Loomis is job in the saint organizations play. Originally came in as the salary cap guy under under Randy Mueller and then when they fired regularly elevated him to be the GM. And listen here's things don't know before you absolutely they'll hate Sean Payton MEQ and did you run out down. Consider this that maybe it was a directive from Tom Vincent because. He's been up there in age he wanted to win another championship. Before he passes away so. Telling him telling them telling them hey go out there and spend money I don't mean good dude Jeff to do while we have a quarterback that we we feel like we can win an election. Now now the problem with that though why that passed in the book is because that's the goal every year. I mean that's the goal ever years twenty damage or bright and to do you may know what I'm saying you have to an order to images. I'm saying 08 use it isn't he might get the point where is like eight to. You got all the resources and feel free go go go make a run OK but it did exactly what I'm saying is that does not. It does he get you off the hooks for making mole to know. Porphyry designs or had multiple bad dressed in and once again that should be the goal every year if an owner is saying. In over donors not giving the full resource said the team took what's the salary but those. Go on in the NFL opening our own that I like a month. Ian is not not spin that the same time though it's salary cap there like it's Dolly is like the Yankees like baseball you just outs in someone and there is a set amount of money. These teams have experienced a directive not I don't think that. And gets multiple at the bottom line is that people in power this is the group that brought a suitable Tutsis and if you'll never authored evident of instant 12 year. But I take in. Does at this stage in. Incidents like that's kind of giving them a it seems like employment until they no longer want right. We we talked about it with Meeks into that in this offseason but it. Pitcher felt like a group just kind of choosing to. Expand themselves. An anomaly blowing anybody Nazi prison by the fact that matters Christian any time. Like if there's a decision to be made that concerns particular group. And then you give that group Howard to make the decision. Will whose passengers that you make. Not only that but I will at some point that group that's making the decision has to have some accountability somewhere. The bid but but but that didn't same what they're the top of the accountability chain. Because that's what's going on here and today I think I say the same thing but not Q now communicating it. The exact same way. Well I just I know why were we arson I think the. They were disagreeing on his maybe that's his directive is as. Impact hole on the news they missed on over the over the last two years but the bottom line is right now I agree with later holder. You are waste your breath although there is very legitimate cases to be made. Those jobs are about as secure as they come so. I mean as a fan and I think all that you do is criticize. Continue to try to apply. Public pressure and see if these mistakes these cost. It's always gonna void in the future it's always a come down a public pressure fan sentiment may at some point it's a matter of how much and it was Stan how much will will fans tolerate before they actually decide. Completely I know they they've had enough will be seen enough. Yeah it's an and that's in that's done that's starting to happen but look we did there's just a four year stage like it's it's. It's not it's not go anywhere even though this year could end up going. Very poorly this is just the situation room where we're going to criticize him we're going to apply pressure but as far as actual. Somebody be on the hot seat I just don't see it with the guys that are in power and talent drive. Kerry in Slidell you're on WW almost monetary. And Chiba bunkers on the thought the a giant somebody and they were all about how they. The play wide receiver that I beat them that's what. Old dale back to the one thing he Bob. You need again for an hour. Jerry at least they'll all mumble the telling explains what in what when gold he went to check out what all of. Because Jared Lee Atmel. The cool thing than probably anybody that played. Because it would happen at that young man and little. Terribly on the call. And act when they get taken out of football game that. Currently the prime example that a great great. Those four years. And now you know everybody that's in what he did. It out of the game. Yet darn and then like Kerry. I mean hell I mean I'll start my own personal experience and get started like twenty games tells you but I played in light. High thirty's or forty somethings there were a lot of games where I was either starting in taking out our didn't start. And indeed put in look at just one of those things man where I was to be attitude keep your head down keep grinding keep working. Put blinders on try to ignore the outside noise and good things will. Eventually come and we've talked rubber and here's a lot and yes in my disappointed in how he's acted since it bitching absolutely. I can also empathize I mean it's very public stage and it's yours it's it's very tough to go through. But he needs to handle more naturally blame if things times twenty years old. So my great hope for him personally. Is that he uses this as a learning experience. And that he can mature from this immense and that people have to allow for his room for growth. Immaturity and I don't. Know a lot of fans are feeling too. Willing to do so right now because a very toxic environment and regarding else your football. I think that disturbs me about Brandon Harris and his actions is they cast it kind of reeks of a player and athlete that might have been given everything. You know handed everything. And hasn't really battle adversity this is his first true test of adversity I think and you're going to be measured by that now he can overcome that. He Canada but if you didn't passed the first test clearly. I double coverage he got a Christian tens of our master control Jordan. Run on. Iran. Will find out. The F created a nation reporter for the New York Giants joining us at 840. In the meantime your phone calls are welcome at 5042601870. Text 87870. Got a text here eats or needs to be really about that directive and I wanna go back to that and on. When I was trying to say is in the game do the job with the well some say is because of that directive that might have been sent down from saint owner Tom minutes and that does not. Allow. For any kind of lack of accountability are no but that doesn't mean you can't hold their feet to the fire for missing yet on these players will now at and by no means blessing. And and I thought you made that I've players in that it kind of absolves them of blame in the fan base his eyes but but if you are coming from owner's perspective. That I could see Howell gave the owners are willing I told to go out there and take some risks and you came up short handed. But the problem is it's not just you come up. Tiny bit shorthanded York woefully shorthanded like we said 27%. Of the cap and I get that. Look I've commanded the front office for their ability to. Magic numbers right there ability to manipulate the cap their ability to go bargain bin shopping and get. Mike good bargain deals remain fairly graded at an eighty plus there remember what is a hell of a deal but. At at the same time how much more could you do if you had thirty million extra dollars. Well cast them out of the market or guard for pass rusher this season this offseason. Get them a market look I've always liked the Green Bay Packers approached the Steelers approach where they signed one guy and it's not an astronomical. I'll rate during free agency case in point DeAngelo Williams that they picked up from the Carolina Panthers. To him quite well now office I mean now for the price that they got him that basically the veteran minimum. And and here's the other thing if you do go all in and spend all kinds of money. Went to Jacksonville Jaguars had the most cap space this this offseason. The giants as well. Well here's thing. You have to be able to hit on knows he can't miss you have no margin for air because it's free agency it could you gonna have so much dead money and Elon that money if you. Do indeed this ice suddenly come back did you. They committed a ton of money to their defense of line and through week one it looks as if it pays dividends which could hold some. Potentially dire ramifications. For the nor own sing. Jordan read non coming up next here ESPN NFL nation reporter for the New York Giants is stubby to do well enough and and I. We still have a definitive conclusion. And Jordan Raanan I apologize Jordan if I mispronouncing your name had Jordan. Ron and about whether. I works Clinton made my night ESP NFL nation report for the New York Giants. We were wrestling with the the pronunciation of your last name the last ten minutes honestly Jordan but anyway. Yet that unwinnable by. You know usually. In a queue up by a program on the now. I never worked. Okay good look thanks for the time we we certainly appreciate it but the giants saints Sunday. Rule would this defense look like it we won eight they spent a lot of money overhauling their defense for the Jinan. It's better he beat around me that front four. It significantly improved Olivier earning less power player. Payment or indeed that tackle it and it. He's very good player. Significant upgrade from bark and it was very. And it did appear all back you played this year he came back to wait mr. But he put the employer that you improved from what you're question. That the Frontline in particular could be you upgrade I mean. And during week one their starters. On both sides of the ball. There are 42 starters. Prom last year we won our party. That there isn't there that there. That it out of Britain and look it's a repeat of back. Yeah I mean look what what what did he lie and did against the cowboys O line kind of has goal lead chattering and it needs cabinets and saints fans. Shaking a little bit. But Jordan. Take a look at that giants' offense because there's also talk that you could be looking at potentially be best receiving corps in the entire NFL. And well when you look at the saints' secondary right now in that group. Our. I think you know that it do it and there are. I've got to thank you yeah we we would be. Sure I'd. Drag is stated in May opt Bhutto back you know it would you know about these what do you know about quarterback but at the bank and. You know he'd do anything about her ability it does what he settler. He really doesn't know about these guys but yet the code but he and he really knows. Very little about the quarterback papered the table he you'd go broke. He went up against questions. That was the guy that. Pretty much follow on the inspired him. And the other aspect at a public except the back in. Each week up on dirt and retreat but there. They're bad guy and now you appreciate it and even though at. You know there have been brilliant the stop them and then get back here he used buying it. Pretty much so our speakers around him now he has currently shepherd part very prompt a spectrum rookie. And Victor Cruz and now back in maybe he's not the favorite crude oil supplies. But he certainly built a contributor and better prepare and remark should. Yet the it's interesting to see Victor Cruz in it's viewed I'm in. Number one role or talk or common. At Jordan different on Twitter. Yeah it's been if a nation born of war. It that bad but what are so okay. Let's talk about Eli because I'm sure you never do an out of state interview without you like him but there's a lot of Manning in two years. In New Orleans Eli when you look last year Jordan highest rated your his career and very efficient week one. It in the you know the it's this. The autumn of the lies career. Is this to be expected this much safer with the ball. Guest is much more efficient Eli Manning. That's pretty much what it's become a part of the but it. Indicate that two years ago. Is the third year in the but now it that much they urged that permit the they really run everything even the agreement Packers. It put the you know in New York Giants so it is that the ball and that they need. That's really. Design perfect year victim really well put the violators here because of the fact that day. They're able brokered that they're able to get the audit and quickly. It's designed so that you and it'll line scrimmage and through much of the damage more than that could be an enemy and all of oh. Priests that read. And that's really dictating where he knows the ball up in the numbers of how the Butte audit and app that you'd. Is it all back in quick. And so and you know it is built not at all on. I mean it's an average aren't. And there especially vulnerable on the edges to tackle. So you need an all the party for. Although only be a factor this week. There will be a factor assays can generate a pass rush. Well you can you tell us why that giant and were you surprised that no time against really of that team. You know that's when the awkward spot now. But if you pick can't get the quarterback like the state where last year. Do you know there and there all that has been met at Buick it was bad so that's really eat the topic to Jack up would that be able to get pressure BS news. Jordan on on tour on non on Twitter. For espionage and Jordan. You mean it would be a burden however and other big contract and that you line. Gain in bigs and acts hairs in New Iberia, Louisiana native 46 and 643. Feet the like what does this do you look like in real life. He monstrous and he let the other guys other linemen and and make them look. Like you know make it they really believe what he does. It monsters in the middle of that even a huge human being and you could be different opinions on the field but that. Bowl people perceive it should be attacked and lots of time the part of the priest integrators. Saying they think. You going to be. The single biggest difference in this team this year at that much difference you make every play on the field he put the spot. It would be if you saw that it's now would mean design as time went up in the cab with them on its. Pretty much the content that line in the air now. And they went out there was seven men a lot of time. And went at them and respect outweighs the line and at least you only about. I think he would it would into the art. The scene of when he carried. Yet yet I don't load explorers. The scenes deceit. Yet when he tackles for. That. One pack your repertoire. The seats in on the football. That compound the problem Jordan lands him. I mean that. Can be in portable. You see we'll see speaking of eating we'll see another high school or else we will see a lot a wild like we saw the superdome but yeah under that kind of game. And of an under one point but yet important beat your team move the ball and that peeled and do that with the giant defense. Yeah we sat here about their front court. But there's still vulnerable at that game in the middle. And that they rate increase strength and he's gonna have the book that. Throwing the ball against that he spent. The giants' linebackers in particular. Are are weak point in covered sitting next year. He insists would throw their running. That are and their tight end. And it when he about it that's been you know the fact that pretty good quarterback that's here and openness as the worst bet that Italy yet. Worked in the paint that defense. And that was because they could guard the middle of other little better. But there's build portable battery treatment. A lot of that is down the middle field Colby. But but I think you could expect. Saint computer name. Is try to get their those they've ruled that there in the middle yield on their trainers beaters that they wanted the ball in the pot and let them do their damage there. Jordan Raanan at Jordan Raanan on what are ESPN and as a nation report for the New York Giants could stop and appreciate in. See you Sunday. The other enjoy it. Ortiz steadily come back for Derrick in no matter thieving grimace day. Before. Whose. Meet now now. Oliver and on wrong. The Tom. Any OK yes of course the Bob you're right definitely feel better. I feel about it. Sounds like a similar game it like I didn't know that audio out. Will we talked about and that'll cut yes we got that audio it's a pretty bad this is Richard store for. The saints this expectations the offense into reason lest there are firing it in to score points they're not going mitigate I mean. Look at the saints offensive currently does things ranks in the NFL after week one there. First in every like total offense category in their 32. In almost every depicted cash core. I can't figure out how I scooped drew breeze in the waiver wire one what is it like he was on the waiver. If the whatever knowledge and it's a twelve man league period as he's done. And every event I'm over dared to Metairie Stephen Gramercy up next the over that the money. Oh he's just stop there. It's Michael Jackson goes back does come off a super awkward. Your computer could go to him now you're the elder care I I'll give the government together. Not his game and look at that viewership. Died Derrick in Metairie what's going on you on WWL. They are you who ordered the so called. Both Kitna Darko partners and know that pretty hands free law. Well they I. Mean he's. That need to be you know Indy integrity. Kicker who secretly or integrity and he'd like. That there are. Well on Sunday. Saw Paul mean antique one. And wages and and the. This new era there on the limit as far as predictable when he says Howard I think some people gassed his ego irritable and then there's their missed the farthest thing from predictable. In the game plan under which you mean. By putting a rookie kicker in that. In crunch time situation however realistically a veteran would not have made a 61 art noble. Well look I'll I'll I'll deceive this while I agree repaired that may be the leaders in an ad in the best predictable the word I would use to be anything. We did not seed Lewis the coming at all that was out of nowhere Spiller war I knew I've never seen anything like that. Where kicker wins the job know what I saw he got it that he gets cut for a unproven rookie though. Like a rookie that went twelve of nineteen in his senior year college. Shayne Graham and acumen the other kicker in camp two years ago and they cut both album on a final cut down day because they thought they were going to be on. Via play for another kicker that was coming off another roster. It didn't happen as a sign Shayne Graham back. Yep that's still. That still mean this is aging Graham at that point was an 80% last kicker for his career right and I'm not saying that violence might not end of the advocates like Christian said there and put. The best kickers hit fifty plus 160%. Of the time. So it's almost a coin flipped it it was sixty pluses whatever. So lets you know to to be five but it it is categories. Emails Dirk or. Bang bang you if you look at it that PG theater RT. Why incredible. What hurt via apple. Because they're producer and it will pillars now. Alaska led the team in special doubt special teams tackles. Not to mention not to mention getting this listings value the cheaper option on top of the fact that we knew we learned today in a conference call Sean Payton is that. He CJ Spiller had another scope this training camp on on that the so that that was another reason I'll lease on Dicky get completely healthy. Now do you now I'd you wonder how much money really came to oh well well it's cheaper. There's actually free up any money because it's fully guarantee. It's just it's situation there where you listen produce. They believe that markets Murphy's investor tour on this team in Alaska elected said let the teams teams tackles which it's conducted about yours again. We'd see these pillars sign that was supposed to be is yet one that was supposed to be in depth later like this don't yeah that was they sent got out. And and he's he's well. A return to a roster back after the season last year determine at quite a bit back to your phone calls Stephen Gramercy Manhattan saint rose. Utilities and so 187 XX 878 semi double coverage rolls on this is WW well.