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Hour 1: We discuss the incredibly improbable Saints Loss to the Giants

Sep 21, 2016|

For the first time in the Sean Payton Era the Saints lost a game in which they finished +3 in turnover margin. To add to the insanity the Saints didn’t allow the Giants a single offensive touchdown. I would have NEVER guessed that it was even possible that the Saints lose a game in which they accomplish these feats. So then the question becomes HOW did it happen? Find out with T-Bob Hebert and Kristian Garic.

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Often wanted to simplify welcome into the Tuesday edition of double coverage team not a their crushing Garrett here with the on this Tuesday night what I Zimmer. At master control that I had a great weekend of course you're not on yesterday. Column pro football season and hip that was good I was there was a Carson when it's in the eagles' ripping up the bears and that's wild what I want to take solace in. What is avenue Chicago board agreed franchises in the NFL teton LA it happens all. And agreed to pay you an element for sure it's a dumpster fire. Also and everybody's Lebanon Carson went love and on the Eagles. And and and it is impressive what wince has done and looks like Doug Peterson really is a quarterback your room. But I am not fully by Eagles in wind stock when you beat the browns in the DB two Beers. Well here's the thing if you're if you're a saint you're now one of eight teams in the NFL analyst at the two weeks in him 12% chance of making the playoffs. And so tonight throughout the show retirement. Wall out. I don't think that's gonna happen however this does launches in the right into the conversation. Conversation it was appease our Twitter with the Olympian Tellme. You know of the 02 teams after the saints might be the best though into team out there Angola are allies that please spare me at this season because. Then that's what the company you wanna keep for small. Secondly. They are saying there's like to be a giants are great point they're too little right now because a four points one point victory total. In and into it's the saints are 02. When the margin to feel for points so that the razor thin line of the of the NFL ultimately and we talked about it this is playing out exactly like we thought it would in terms of the upper. The projections of this team. Because of the injuries and lack of depth now coming in with. So ultimately it go into there're some there are some of the fan base of the likely to pull off the playoff run that your right to do so you can have that you can have that the and there are others that are based in saint. It's despair doom and gloom it's over no playoffs this year I'm curious to know which side of the equation you fall under. Final four to 601 late seventy text 8787 XT pals solo for global focused. Will join us at 840 that the about. Outlook and I mean you whatever you EU images on the companies that you wanna keep in annual grand leads the Redskins. The payers the I bills dolphins jaguars colts browns. That's its engines got to realize at this point. That's who you war now you're you're you're that guy with a hall of fame quarterback. Which in a way is. Even more odd because you should be in that company was all the trouble or back it's almost like gets almost even more damning that your that position but that. Opening that you're keeping you are you hang out with Bradley that's. It to your at this point and unfortunately. Walt Walt look a lot and it's that they're having mid positives because he really had. Are you kidding me with this the fit to performance you witnessed Sunday. With with all the injuries with all the issues like maybe. Maybe you could convince me. That a fully healthy saints' defense. Could have pulled off Sunday's performance and I still would have been doubtful so two seed is decimated defense going to do that it's. Yeah it's great puts it mean there's positives but. Overall leader's. Really and like Indian tunnel at this point and well you mentioned that razor thin margin between victory defeat. Well these kind of games there's four points that's what. Makes different is an entire seasons with the giants last year. Him at first it felt team in NFL history to blow back to back ten point fourth quarter leads the season was done. From then on yeah this year to complete opposite now they are riding high. They're feeling good and they're feel also like you know this is our year we're gonna push is playoffs she rolls your account. I like you along windy here but what I told you prior to this game against the New York Times that singular forced return over two sacks. And not give up an offer to tell you what you decide they win by double digits right yeah easily. So I ten and eleven Tina put in perspective those teams would've blown the doors off the giants haven't had a committed those fatal mistakes made it would have been. A name your score kind of ball game where they hung up fifty or wrong potentially. And it shows you how how far they fall they GAAP net debt that is there in a problem with the saints team is that. With those turnovers those gifts. They can't even bikini to get a victory not even at one point that well and and in some. This you do you have to credit I mean in the same way you credit the saint Steve interleague play's got to give credit to the giants' defense like the giants actually. And we talked about this bill last week. The giants are you saints fans should be looking net. And kind of feeling a little warm and Fuzzy hope building in your chest but his what do they do this last off season. They had a defense goes porous those terrible and I a lot of money to work they've put 200 million dollars. In to that defensive line 200 million dollars and I've been lime and it is already paid dividends it's already essentially. Mindy different job in the difference between two wins. And two losses so if you wanna talk about improving you know you have a quarterback you have a lot of the offensive pieces. But you add just arraigned this deep into its holding you back. And and that's a bit. Discredit need to this aids he does is put on to perform but there's just civil air you have corporate you have some pieces in. It's all seizing you're going to then have the ability to do one of these. All laid tied Bartlett overall as good as we can as fast as we can so. Maybe you're sick you ought to look for hope maybe I mean that's what I hope lies unfortunately you're talking about playoffs. We said the beginning of who sit out the policies that looking at the schedule. Yet you at least go to a two year I mean I was always the 31. With an ode to start yet here that's that's that's pretty much Leah rap on those. And the chargers. In some Wednesday a bit surprised though may be perhaps a little tick better than. Many anticipated so there we are saints fan sitting at 02 for the third straight year by the way some fans have faith the team to pull off a playoff run. Topple out of playoff round. Others are despaired since saints are doomed for another season watch in the playoffs from home where do you stand. On on that settlement the equation 504260. Which which when you file fortunes until lights and the text 8787. It also gives up on Twitter at to about 53 at crushing Gary's double coverage here on WW. Safe and a Beagle in the playoffs. But there is one member of this trio that. Is going to the playoffs and double coverage since the police can't guard KG to you know high scoring team in that are double coverage fantasy league team on Argentina. Aren't now. I'm like I'm a what's his name museum programs stint clunky I'm like staying current UK as long as it's print money. I'm hands off for it gave me my revenue share in Adam give a damn moment sure sure higher jet to argue about unique to whatever extent. Well no. But regrouped and cool let's do just just give me more money the wins and losses you're missing the point of fantasy football it's just about being. In its successful league game pieces upon. Tens of Georgia and also I mean you gave yourself first. The act gave myself for that is on the commission he public disdain. And Antonio Brown didn't really need to bring the cooks now don't you know did. Derek car today and Arizona defense carried me and look Derek Karr was a player who what when I drafted him. Oh you do well as yards and over again yeah so only one entry for Ryan Fitzpatrick to you know he's also on the roster. My quarterback haters. In my when he care Barbara. You heard the legend of licorice. I've heard of licorice. Flew too close to the sun in his wings burned off. And he felt plummeting to the ground went splat right. Well. Year you're getting into acreage territory is seized two weeks. It's altitude successful weeks very successfully a few weeks you might want to. What apart the bricks are little only stopping me is injuries which rampant right now so if I've ever dissented these imaging yourself I bet that is. Bet it did it go right to air Ortiz yeah. But yet you mean whatever you can't be Orson me me and Tim much like less miles ago smells on an old maps there. There. A okay this to the fans keep this going throughout the show what are your opinions. We come up with a funny name for the hot seat. Game taking place this week like hot people the toy football that every Tuesday so well well well. This I am specifically what that we're that we were to start talking hot seats Nazi whatever average easily guerrillas typically for. Got smells on and less miles but with a dim and very precarious situations what should be called game. Expected to beat him but much like those two are plain mean and both owe it to. Both near the bottom of the league in scoring could be going head to head this week and it's like that classic browns jaguars match of the can't wait to DVR. You know else's is a factor Ali just makes me a much more confident I auto drag politics you guys at all. Well yeah that should make you more confident because in the one win that I have does. Four. In former leagues in two he's had an wanna win you have one win so combined one in seven and guide came in the draft. Bet that dated government. CA yeah. In honor of aptly I make no bomb. The first step to me that you have a problem. Is well I get added to its first have to give it their right to me like a very self aware I'm I'm I'm horrendous if fin soup of non at picking games will get them. We as a pick six results Steve tells all of from pro football focus. Joyce a few moments getting back to the saints and the giants in their O in two starts now when they'll have to look for two. The Atlanta Falcons who they dominated lasted maybe two matches and they own under Sean Payton. And the falcons by and large are about what we thought they would would be as well. Wanna wanna got a big win on the road against the Oakland Raiders a team that beat the saints in the week before. Of offensively they they're they're gonna be hot they'll score points but defensively they still got a lot of holes and we talk about a last week. With this matchup believes the relatively high scoring affair were proven wrong. Nearly done it's funny so now are wonderful news team beard of the Nabil does the kind of on the street interviews. Yen in Austria yet so there is some lady who's like it every 68 to ten. Sit here on Friday dirt or maybe it was Saturday when Edwards in the pregame Joey. It's crazy no way. When he teams scored 48 by blunt said. It's the only person appear rattled off volleys stats is that it comes down to you know every team has won the score over forty points the exact opposite however though I feel even better with that. That history and knowing. Well we saw on Sunday. This game against the falcons on Monday night first off. I feel like you delegate who's desperate. Yeah SH a more desperate. They can't go oh entry in particular because the ten year anniversary the reopening a soup of who's gonna be a bit of an emotional night. It it would be soon oh. So disheartening. If on this ten year anniversary. You would fall to oh and three against the Atlanta Falcons on your bunker I mean is that when it be the light. Barometer of the current state of the franchise. And the the deterioration in the area that we discussed that leaned over the last half decade amid that would be kind of that. Poster a moment where did the moment of realization work even the most loyal even the most. No these teams could they do do they do when they human or even they would have to take you step back. And that's the way it what is going on. How how have his allies again this that you know another. Part of this conversation is you know. Have gotten some feedback from fans and they're going yet to young team in and they fight hard and while that is true in a while you certainly like. I'm Irish company that they're young in their resilience like they're not going to be a team that goes in the tank I'm confident that. However he does Ager coach to be highest paid coach in the NFL. Last off season. Oh and two is not indicative. Of the highest paid coach in the NFL isn't. Oh and two would no sign of relief. Did any better either rightly did it's it's it's it's in a wood to whip seemingly even yours and connectivity on the horizon. And particularly star look at the injuries that have happened just since week one. Which finally TJ Williams that was of rheumatism and it was a very very scary moment met life. It sounded. Terrifying to I was actually. In my life. In and give a big argument. I'll say she gonna be driver drew Bardner watching you know gonna watch it she any drive during the beginning of the game so will frustrated by the sums it in the car. Listen to broadcast an aide sounded. Here find just do like not even seen just hearing it's I can't imagine what it was like they are on the ground. Yeah and a I don't know the details does it obviously that's so nice personal. Medical history and Anadarko reveal that now I'm finally but when he starts Enid defibrillator. In an Arab you know him bagged the air bag with the earlier you know we see that all Adam Dorothy administered it well when you see that being blown onto the field. It's a very very sobering moment or that's. I mean whatever on the doctors to maybe issue. Talk on a bouquet but from the layman's from those on Bellini C that's from the layman viewpoint like that makes me think like. Like like neck injury or like mad to bring yes that's that's a little tier right nobody see. He's okay and he can go through concussion protocol. He's resting comfortably he's back in the world did spend the night in New York. But yeah I mean I was in the from a player standpoint. Mean how he witnessed that and go back and play this game that's difficult. Yep that's always won the that that that's one of the office mental challenges the view goes through its hours during our CBS news update back to the saints here on W to do well enough and aka. I look back double coverage. Now I think we're both agree. It trio probably agree here on double coverage with Tim's in Wayne. It oh into okay so we're in the program the purposes conversation is of the 802 teams in the NFL where did the saints rank as. A team to possibly climb out of a note to poll. And there's case to be made on either side of it in particular for teams a lot of it has to do with. Talent etc. and with a talent deprivation at the saints are currently suffering from a along with the injuries. My biggest case in point is look at the schedule this is the perceived soft spot in the schedule. And it gets dramatically our practice so that's why look aside from lacking talent. And having miscues and seemingly there inability. To. Play complementary game. One week it's gonna be the office next week is going to be the defense together that's going to be special teams. We we've we've seen this movie before. The last couple years it's the same week if it's on repeat right here on loop so that's why you feel confident on house seats and. I mean yeah like I don't even understand. I I really don't and a mean this to be overly negative yeah I guess I don't even really understand. How the saints playoff conversation is even taking place like to me he. The the things you wanna talk about me. You're already looking for pieces right as sad as this is your ages league for peace YouTube highlights you're looking for pieces that you can hear you in the future. Like the sterling Moore. Sterling Moore played LB game isn't it. He looks like a piece that you can Carrey into the future. Would be viewed fairly he had a good game in okay game four and have to be in my mind. Your absolutely trying to win now and they're all too competitive not to enter job too and they don't win that means that more people get fired to Nazi that it does get ready to go out there just. Throw their hands we're gonna lose. And it's over but if you want to enjoy this season as the saints' fans as he saints fan I think you're the lower your expectations. But you're one of the people so clean on that while cargo. Memories is an excellent point. In that. So. These are gala like just think about playoff spots. There's only one available. You've got to assume will in its two weeks or could be rail will be out of humans have now that. The Packers in vikings like whoever doesn't win the division out of those two is gonna get a is gonna get a wild card spot and you think about somebody like. The Seahawks and cardinals I mean I know the hawks are really down in fact that was. Jody map. Seth Dunlap earlier Turner Gill for two podcasts which will be released tomorrow morning to check out David have you ever done lucrative yes to open to every time analytics maybe Matt. So the Seahawks one touchdown in 22 offensive drives this year just better be. Detonate a grim don't have to guess that makes me a bit hesitant picture. Makes it 93 groups that makes easier to have that did. An amended which are not an answer that makes you bit hesitant to maybe see the CO2 pins in the final spot but you get the point but there's just so many more teams. That it would only once went up for grabs it not only better position to just play better football teams in the New Orleans Saints you hustle. Steadily come back for pro football focus the pals alone next senior analyst at global focus is double coverage here on WW well. One of our favorite segments of the show pro football focus senior analyst. Steve tells all he joins us every Tuesday around this time breakdown agreed in. It down how the Buick and got Paula up the ball focused dot com Steve how we don't. I. Absolutely the Fortis Tuesday conversation each and every week and the affable season at FF underscore Steve on Twitter Steve. So the giants saints as say throw into now but what were some of the analysts were stolen numbers to take away from that saints lost to the giants. Well it was not the way I expected him to play out here last week. Pretty much. Completely dating on the state he's thinking. The that it would play out like yours. Should doubt that. Looked like a big twelve game which you know covered up right oh it really is. You bet and games Olympic from saint perspective. I didn't urging them to be on the side of the ball against a broad aren't. I know there were few big plays and but for the most part they did an extra there where. The giants exploited there may cupboard and broke a couple of great wage Victor Cruz. In particular you know burning burning secondary but. But a rugby fans exactly Craig Roberts in May on ways to. Beat Uruguay and you know the new rotating city he and Carl Bell coming game and does make it the right place but one B. Utley who I don't pressured the quarterback to bowl but more than. A couple sacks but it does not. Down to down pressure. From the these think offensively. You know the paper does limited. There's this giant battery and limiting. They're big place in in keeping bought the giants apparently keeping the ball fraud and you know that the city should couldn't. Convert third downs frequently and who is one of those but it does look like frustrating. But but there was also genes that are you know did you really do that would do as well or is that. Didn't agree on the make it really. Read. What those injured everything seemed to go wrong. Help that deal sustained. Steve the all of the numbers are analysts on when a team forces three turnovers. It's two sacks and doesn't. You open office touchdown and still lose how rare that is is it like 99. I would imagine I don't know and now. I don't know a lot and we could probably ever guys big up those numbers but couldn't it doesn't happen you know those who vote. The axiom that via cell every week you know forced Arnold does win the turnover battle. You know sacked the quarterback protector quarterback and usually dual thing. They play out right amateur opt in though he'll call in you'd you do it right balloons. Tires Steve palace although at PF FF underscore Steve senior analyst at the X pro football focus. And Steve this going to be kind of I guess that giant teams questioned because they think that. They've kind of laid out an avenue that seems to go to Paula to improving but through two games here. Do you think did that 200 million or whatever was in the giants spent on this. Yeah it looked pretty good and I'm usually not an attitude at all or old spending and you know going crazy in free agency but reputed that they that are getting. About a what it would prepared for convicted played quite. Olivier Vernon and it you know didn't give credit to the quarterback. At a great rate either I mean make it that we do about it getting up to the quarterback read it pretty well. Protected from a just pure man man man on man standpoint they're good guys speaking up pressure. Jonathan thank you that they had to add that. It that as a run stopper out front. And I'd think it created so much depth but there have been teams are a little worried even brought the ball yeah and edit in these volatile note that he really Terry bought it well -- spot are running back go so. I think there's an element where. You know just having that the president about being the battle. In the big heap of lies that are all in sports teams to be calm. One dimensional about it on the giants to jets you do your job a cover on the back get pressured to do it. Steve so this this saints offensive line. And they were highly regarded team going into the pre season the pre season then this struggles there and saw them become much maligned. How they performed these first two weeks of these first two weeks here in the regular season. So I think all raw. I think that produced all you know some of the fracture of the giants creative that they more steamed it you know in liquidating it. You know eating wears a green and pretty well protected I tweeted a number that you Manning should be back a week. Remember it only 1% of his drop in the outward league has. Michael 3035. So. Don't read it pretty well protected you know arms then. You know the usual color on the what legal structure much maligned Backstreet totally given up one right. It's. So yeah. All right yeah. I like crazy and yelling in the woods extreme example ball no one believed me. You know it's it's saints and all they need to do is watch the Broncos every week and see what what if you let them read into what ought to know. What political Mac two opposing right tackle. Every week in and appreciate that streak gives up a pressure every now. And it might look bad by you know apparently pretty good so. Looked up at once been pretty volatile world roadblock in the whole brought the bad outstanding for the from a protection standpoint they've been pretty good. Steve tells a low at PF and underscore Steve senior analyst at pro football focus here on double coverage. Steve a player I want done and central essentially focus on his stuff on Anthony. WiMax for the saints played just four snaps in net loss for the giants. And they think seventeen the week before. Oh. Is that is that alarming for first round traffic that was restarting middle linebacker a year ago. Yeah I'd say it is you know we likable locked up once in that we ought to warts on paper but an in and saw as a struggle in. In year one you know he bought it and covered his years. You know missed quite a few tackles by. Doping from a physical standpoint you know use. If he's a better play the game play tonight at the linebacker position and respect. Yet we through the years analogue. Linebackers that did not great well in our system. But they're but they're veterans and got what one did watcher would forever and you know cadet at the line indebted to the right call so crucial well. I'm especially given Albany ought to covered with me pat last year you know you have a guy that may not be the most. The other physical. Presence in the middle but he fat but you can get that line did not give up sixty yard touchdown. There's a lot of value appealing that where they've gone. With a guy like Hitler died it Middleton. You know I don't pick the a figure walked quite a bit in the run game might be used. You know what that flow from where you walk or eat read at a few years back but I think there's probably some element. You know him running to be sent that they're running a little more cover two adult. You know dispute in the right place right time rather than go with the political tool so I do people arming you wanna get a little more on that. That first round pick no wonder it's just as capturing situation where they go with smaller players back to in order to beat. Steve tells all aligned and now him at PFF underscore Steve senior analyst at pro football focus on the falcons from the town Monday night going to be emotionally charged night. What would what are you guys see from the falcons threw two weeks. You know look pretty do it. They spill. What Ben admitted that look out for years now and bill. Milk and do not matter and they've got you know sold some youth at a linebacker corps that they can be exploited. Drones and the hundred Campbell you know they're not you know we look he'll come out ballots do. But that he had some issues did that we would put more totally out there you see in. Quite a bit of ID is it the type of game that they. That statement dated and play action game and try to move that you know region moved from linebackers around with the guys at the gate. Well out some opportunities in the middle field and in the Arkansas that that the the other two and a pretty good job we. Try to stop. Ryan and a pretty good job in the ball route beyond him but spill that's Julio and drug figured a way to slow. It's all so. Should be the usual date 32 point seven that the usual scored it. Yeah roughly in that neighborhood was that I'll last week about the giants saints. Enter iron into the defense stroke. Steve tells all Latvia that underscore Steve senior analyst at pro football focus each and every Tuesday here on double coverage good sub and we regional party next week. Apple. Got. It's the. Saints coach Sean Payton preaching balance. Next week this week against the Atlanta Falcons thirteen lush intentional loss to the New York Giants we'll look at what Steve said was here revealing with the bodies in New York has right now in the middle. And especially this ain't seen wide. They were able due to cowboys' rushing attack. Which way back pressed. Well senior arch rival though Q on their earth yeah we there yet so that they they had Johnson and I I like that a lot and a debt. Man for you Don knows. But Sosa Steve I'd that would seat it was here be lean in that. Conditioner to run the ball against the giants and maybe they they really are used is you need to use that John. Due giants edged two massive individuals. Just colossal human beings right there in the middle under too hard to push her out in his racing team that isn't the best. A run balls to do was to be its you'd in the balance department all the that deal. I think I understand why because of it as a coach if you're thinking this you know it's. There's these conversations that are not true that satisfied in two Q as far as you have to strike ballots for balance today or is it just about. Finding what's successful I think it's we have been too. You know they've always been successful I honestly it is magnified because they lost the game but there's been times when they've gone out there and thrown it fifty times in and and one ball gags and and in the Al to 400 fit form for the yards etc. But they Drew Brees had to know this. The first quarterback in NFL history to have five touchdown passes zero interceptions. The first two weeks ambulances. Yeah that makes sense because it's exceedingly hard to lose games you played well then again. It's next to impossible to lose a game which you don't allow an offensive touchdown and you turn you win by three in the turnover margin nets. I wish we could get the math on that because I'm sure we'd kind of blow you blow your mind GO look that is all along would wave of team I understand why the saints were not balance. And I do think it's a bit extreme like I don't think you're going to be 5050. But they're not going to be whatever like. Did a what was this like 75 pretty balmy eighty did twenty some along and that. Those regard that line of thinking now. I cannot crush on pain come up with a game plan as forest. If he feels like they're going to be banging their head up it's a wall it is wrong and technical miles critical of old shoe for maybe have an I game plan in the past so I'm fine with that however. He wants to those Russian attempts jump up just a little bit coming up next hour nick underhill we also got the good. Bad and ugly who fits in that category from the saints team at oh into double coverage rolls on this is WB well I am FM and W well dot com.