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7am - 11-16 7am Tommy, can Donald Trump fix illegal immigration?

Nov 16, 2016|

Tommy talks to David Bier, an Immigration Policy Analyst at the Cato Institute, about what actions Donald Trump could take to curb illegal immigration.

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Now Tommy chalker WW LA MI famine dot com. Well David a first off one dimension issue announces they're gonna cover of the tops gap for students for the spring semester. So if there's a shortfall they encouraged I think students to it. Viral flu Foss. So they can get the federal help that there are entitled to intact they yards album offset that while that's a great idea and I'm trying to think now I think my daughter made thome added doing the same thing really it's never. Yet Stanford and north Louisiana. So. It's like yeah University of Phoenix again holder. In the as heard on a pricey up there layers I don't think California one is. But if you go to one and different state incorporated deal rarely AK. Rod David I am fanning the fires of conspiracy and Rodney on the road is whip me there Holden had bellows. Morning running. To them what's up with the baby cakes. Well yes I post it on now FaceBook that I think it's a publicity stunt to try to get people motivated them. They're gonna have to get a better name than mabus. That's what guys said but I didn't see oppose and that steal them from near anything. It can't be it this cannot be the name of the team and I know Minor League Baseball look in you know Rodney. Is nothing but gimmicks and stunts and publicity stunts give people would go and it's a good time I'm not saying it's not that they don't need to die that is is not just about the baseball you know that. It. Up. So hot dogs into saints have negative reaction would be controversy that's what it is but not a of a serious nature like a political controversy or anything but just give people all. Riled up and talk and and Agassi you know like. The reaction has been so. Totally against baby cakes were gonna come up with where column the what do you think. I have no clue. I exist and actually that was pretty good your wallet and everybody from the law. And it and it Lessig came from Denver's so apparently there's some universal. Acceptance of the names that offers ideas about as a player measured wanna be called the baby Jake. Jack and I take you Rodney and let Joseph real quick Electoral College time forward should it stay or should ago. I should go. Really do. Especially in the case like this in I voted for trial but there's just not fair. Well and somebody said that. Texted him and said well if that's case new York and California and Texas. Will decide the president now vote won't count but I don't know that our vote really counts now when you talk about swing state so what are what did you enjoy about it thank you rotten. Have a good day we did you. I ain't buying it talking about Donald Trump and some of the things that he's promised him we know it's still money early because the election was. One week to move yesterday so we will do witness that we Eagles. David beer immigration policy analysts that the Cato institute center for global liberty and prosperity. Joins us now to talk about immigration policy morning David. Thank you sir for taking the time so let me start here with. Down from saying he was gonna build a wall and Mexico's gonna pay coordinates well documented and who is on Leslie cells and while it might be places where walls appropriate. Other places where offense would do it and who would pay for it. Did not come did not come up so. How likely is it that that wall is going to get built and Mexico's gonna pay for. Look what cultural transition team has been saying is that the wall will be built. But it may not feel all. Down truck control that that party were the law. Are transforming into it and and look at down from immigration policy is still developing and try and meet some rather unrealistic promises during the campaign that at present all the cover a much more difficult to deliver on and perhaps he expects there. I hit mass deportation and authority being reduced from eleven million that you're Parikh. Another problem. It is like his claim that we know world the criminal immigrants are in that people be mute instantly are often not true in it you'll need to reevaluate as well. So by reevaluate. Obviously that's a nice way of saying change. And what it would be blatant where do you draw the line or at least what UC. From your experience. Comparing contreras if you will what he said he could do with what he might be able actually do. All the can certainly call maybe it a large number of people to. Certainly fear deportation. He beat you can probably effectuate. The deportation of slightly more people than Obama removed. But not significantly more so over Obama the years removed now three million people. From the United States. So he's talking about a similar number of people which is kind of a mark number that you do it do it much of your predecessor. Or at the border all that is not the congress. You know getting New Mexico it hate four little going to be a difficult challenge. And his transition team a party saying they're gonna use. Funding from congress. To at least start building the wall. And so if congress want the bundle wall. That Libya Sudan and so far with members of congress or are prank or on the wall. But it won't really feel Lawler will be up and or it'll be other app that on the border to help secure. So I guess Mexico paying for it that's pretty much out of the question. Oh look here's the yeah yes so so yet congress wolf funded through appropriations. And that now all things are funded you know in our government. Whether congress will enact taxes over the user something on the Mexican. Armed Mexican. In order to try to. Clean that Mexico is paying for it. That remain leasing. David let me ask you this we looked it up during the break we currently send Mexico 134000664. Dollars. In a and would there be a wade withhold that NAND after the walls may for a start. Given a made again and what the ramifications of that beat a Mexico. The streak. So the first part in the car in the wall and a variety of different people that made that a variety of different ways. And we don't know what the wall actually look like at this point but we're talking about in the range. A ten to twelve billion dollars upfront cost stability and an on going off to maintain it. So it's going to be substantially more than eight or giving in Mexico recruit court with Colby. But that not going to be enough to cover the cost. You know a thousand mile. Construction project. So how would. You mean from the beginning here you know when did the I'm just gonna say it plainly how in the name of heaven airing and make a sovereign country based company in some of them bill inning did tell you what to do that bill rang. Ball correctly saying well and you know and in the bill is not gonna work now what. What has been proposed that they can impose. I'm kind of packed. Really Americans were buying goods from Mexico though. Your moral high. Rock horror. Something that produced in Mexico you'd pay more as an American in the name with. Use that money in order to. Paper wall though ultimately going to be attacked and Americans what were the other. But they might describe it that being attacked on companies in Mexico property think things and Ellen and American so. That could be that kind of rhetorical. NAFTA that they'll use in order to explain how Mexico's pay for all. So tell me about vote. Syrian immigrants or Middle Eastern immigrants. Victims of the war comedy and then Donald Trump talking about not letting them in Horry extremes that killer. Where where is all that stand right now. Earlier and that and the election what during his campaign what are you gonna shut down here in -- cute so. And acting like a promise that he could keep very easily. We're in the first days that his administration. Career has spanned. Flight from the Middle East and say no more. You're refugees that we've been in power. The president. Reduce that that seems pretty likely be only pushed back getting on is. There are. Fearing Christian. Refugees. Who. He had promised altered during the campaign that you would you want to leave those. Refugees the question is whether he's been cracked the door somewhat to allow. Refugees to point B Christian or other minority religions Jews. Were being persecuted by places in the region. And so 010 key figure out way too. Maintain some flow refugees but not that you can allow your encryption become. You mentioned that the price of the wall was what again David. Tendered twelve billion I believe the numbers I recently saw. Canceled a morning wife and I wanted to spend about a sense. We look. But it is gonna talk your battle. A million miles an intolerant well on all you already got a significant amount of current thing now. You don't administration. The budget and what they counted the trend. But so far only about 700. Mile per cent think we only need. You know 300 mile more to get this is. Thousand mile bank which is the number that you were talking about that. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 30500. Million dollar that going to be a lot more manageable then you know they'll uphold the rule. You know impenetrable. And quickly it one minute Nancy or what about the efficacy of each. Wall means somebody can get through it are around an hour over an offense means it's not as intended Drupal little bit would have reason. Well yeah exactly so you know I don't think there's any advantage to having a wall that and who isn't gonna do you accept. It might take him a little bit longer climb over or taller wall. So ultimately it is now having people were gonna catch. People climbing Europe and so the wall over gut digging underneath that it you're really gonna need that manpower more than. And you know physical barriers. Thank you David appreciate your time I'm sure we'll talk to you again. Maybe you resulted today David beer immigration policy analysts of the Cato institute center for global liberty and prosperity. And I like dance skill at 2601870. Do you think that wall gets built. Because now it's being downgraded to a fence and I was in around about violence mourn the wife understand and that's when he. But if somebody come idea housing give you an ass amendment. No cica offense would keep the dog and talking about immigration and building a week all in navy offense and some hearts and com. Somebody takes it in it's silly that anyone would believe we would build a wall that wall fence and it's not illegal. Immigration. And balances in DC a million dollars a mile for defense that's one hell of cents. Limo and a wife and I wanted to spend EI I understand that's not quite in your budget anticipate that did or didn't you hate that maybe you don't do it right now but people come over and sit at the table and answers should be the samples and you're trying to be polite is a show used the the trump version they show you the golden gilded stationary in the top of the line. And I've Larissa look and I'm not gonna be rude to be able to save everybody some time here I don't have that kind of money service is not gonna happen is here's a budget what can you do forming. Another one says they're great the people of China built a great ball why can't we. I don't I don't forget Mexico supposed to pick up the town to hand they should not be a fine and as a man and I think we hear that I would deal I would go to breakfast with the leaders. Of Mexico and I now. And a buy anyway. And let them that's a change let them pick the tea. You soon and sing all RC it's like to get them accustomed to it I'd be real attack comes I'd be real slow to go to my wallet and again it was standoff went them. And eventually they'd they'd be ready to receive data that tan. You see how you conditioning this sure. And then from that point maybe go to dinner maybe and an in state house club Tawny Juan you know as well as knowing that is the yeah okay maybe then and any insulin again on done on Africa credit card would you mind call. That's an old one yeah I know you taught it timing a god knows how many meals have paid for you duties. So that's what you do and then they get used to pain for that and and before you know it it's like. Okay we're building a wall all help favorite ad too old and it's brilliant. 742 when we come backwards out the Electoral College season conditioning process stated. Just like you slowly condition need to buy everything for you know David shields joins us right now professor of political science at Hamlin university morning David good morning. Thank you bird. The end there we told you about five minutes ago and use it yet she'd come on. I am electoral college. And some people Zain tainted because they. The first Aussie is it. Wrong presumption on my part to say well if it works worry you wanna keep it if it doesn't work for you wanna changes. I think Italy the great idea electrical great American expression that he broke don't fix it is it is my second. Will would be the effects be. Of zip and a popular vote in doing over the Electoral College popular vote. Looked like community in terms of states' powers and also in terms of chances were different parties to develop because inevitably. It would result in Iran off footed sound. Potentially look at what sort of do a quick sort of plot to buy it. Okay somebody argument against the Electoral College right now. It's the idea that you just not fair for the idea. For the people not to directly vote for president of the United States if the system that would night to order 29 years ago very different era. On second argue that it is that many people that argument disenfranchises. People for example. I I can look like students and say that if you're a Republican in New York all our California or Democrat in Texas. You might it will stay home on Election Day because you go the presidential election definitely better here. Even a Democrat in Louisiana the leads broken them back exactly so that you feel like you really have the dough boy ended down ballot elections because. I would remind him out ballot only here import but the print properly it's actually smaller. All got out at that. The bigger bigger city level terms of who picked up the garbage around the bad guys without the fire. But the bigger impact like for the president. Aptly the question to any help tell the difference I think people argued that it hurt the ability up a third parties. Third party candidate. It's derived. Is we build that because the Electoral College. A lot of the candidates just still getting paid in certain states. You know apt after the conventions. And actually I think it's more interest that is in my research I found that the state that candidates do campaign that both. The sweet state like Ohio border and so forth. Guess why between election they actually do better trajectory federal aid that in god we date civilian. Albert swing states such as Ohio war the not New Hampshire Colorado. State's political news it really campaign for several weeks states that matter what we did our research. That between elections when it comes time to do about federal money the states do better in the states. So it would greatly be Hoover's state. I don't know the answer many colors going on David this month this time and yellow and orange and pink and more all vital. But it would it would be better if they had to court you because I waited kidding around during the election I wish we were a swing state to someone my bottom it is too. Yeah and and I added and you know it would actually were OK Lee the Sloan because people in Ohio were being bombarded. Incessantly. With campaign messages are now com. But the habit but that we build message. At the end of the date on the state to support on the vacant. Well Lance money spent in the state decides that with broadcasting company's newspapers. Armed silly asking now Ariana Huffington is hanging on clinging desperately by here. Highly manicured nails suits on that on December 19 the electors will show up. Things will not look good for the Donald Trump transition team is I don't think they release. Do for any transition team might be wrong and that you may have a comment on that but that the electors will change their mind and vote Hillary Clinton in. As the president. Isn't that legal. Is it plausible. And he is there any historical precedent for this at all. OK first we'll start with the legal or constitutional. Theoretically possible. Theoretically possible. That the elect toward. Could cheat on exercise their own judgment. In his bid it felt that way the voting for Ebert. Viewed the elect or to somehow wipe the agent that could do a pick constitutionally they could. Many states have laws that try to prevent that called I think what electoral laws that probably aren't forced to look at the constitutionally. Clinton for trump are are cloaked party people end. You generally get picked because why they're called party people they can be relied upon. Itself I think it's pretty unlikely. That this would happen now. Happen over time in the had seventy to 88 at pebble probably presidential BP at forty somewhat of Brooke remember in a 5050 cup elections we've had. Under 53. They elect poured. Who switched their vote. Onto somebody else it's never changed the election outcome hump but completely. Somebody will do that as a protest go for example under the state of Minnesota back in 2004. I'm John Kerry won the state is running mate with John Edward. What do they elect toward cast his vote for for John Edwards instead. I would late and I wanna get it from me woman time in all of history. Of all of the electors how many have not voted the way they were elected to vote. Three hours. So very small as a party in size from party. I think yeah I'm hoping it's talking ending unimportant. That today even David shields professor political science. And hand line universe and you know I'm getting text on this and emails and if that's your hope. And you refuse to acknowledge that Donald Trump is the duly elected president of these United States. Boy Ian Yang on if you want but the going to be disappointed December 19. Politics baby cakes were talking about it at all. Hang around the all right to.