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11-29 9am Tommy, any validity to the recount or claims of voter fraud?

Nov 29, 2016|

Tommy talks to Matt Hale, Professor of Political Science and Public Affairs at Seton Hall University, about the recount efforts in three states and Donald Trump's claims of voter fraud.

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Now Tommy Tucker WW LA MI salmon dot com. And while we're talking about airline passengers not behaving. Delta one being this guy for life because he was. Grow trumping get up in the nine a little flight to gather and care for the and did he hurt anybody their duty and so do the assault anybody did legally the flight. While there's always a delay any time it's some of these yet. And the woman that jumped out of the plane that's the other there's always a delay any time you fly let's face it yeah no matter what Dem when you get and not on board you know. But banning pro life. You'd think. You'd take a bit more net like jumping out of a plane. On the runway that would that I'd ban them for life in on any Alan I've woman is under psychiatric while in safe you can buy another ticket did and non Nadia and men hailed her for. Her political science public affairs at Seton hall university in a friend of Myers is here today to talk about Donald Trump and give us the political science view of president elect trump in his tweeting habits a pretty jaguar opinion bowl. Is asking you what grade would you give president elect trop now semi you were saying it's entirely too early for this split. You know if you hire new employee for very important position I think you gonna wanna try to keep an eye on him and see how they're doing after the first couple weeks. 42% are saying and 831%. Are saying a B 6% C 3% a and 18% are giving him an apps on the majority of 42 giving him well against saint. Majority of the votes not a plurality or given name. 42% good morning Matt how are. I'm well thanks taking time. You know we're talking earlier about Donald Trump and his tweets and voter fraud money and awareness so they'll lose let's start with. The woody Collins the of recount. How how did all of this get started with Jill Stein because nobody. Could think reasonably that she's gonna win anything. So is somebody else behind answer will what what's the Genesis of this whole recount. Well I actually think that Tenet that it just nineteen the big believer in launch an election wouldn't be so. He's it is true believers and and and it. Want to make sure that playing the all the votes are counted correctly. I think that there's no evidence that. That the outcome it's going to be switched but I didn't think that. There's some pretty close vote total. And so you know keeps she went out she is money to. The recount and so at least in Wisconsin gaga. But there was a difference of 101000 votes it was a non. When he. Missed about a weapon and I'd and she's concentrating or focusing on Wisconsin's first. Well that the reason for edit it that each one of the state has. Has rules in place about what you have to apply where. A recount if you if anybody can can can kitchen for a recount on the other entity can petition for a recount. And he stayed at different than console at the first step. So. I mean. She's got to pay for it did in the money she raises going to pay the state to do this recount is and how it works. At Howard that that in that she raises money and then that money goes to the state state. That the Greek. So how are you determined. You voting irregularity how gay Heidi you would you go about proving that barges. So what what 100 read and there's certain number of different computer expert. And what they've done is they've they've looked at the differences. In vote totals in counties used electronic voting machine. And vote total and Chinese used secret ballot. Most elections expert in and and cyber hacking experts. Are we do believe that electronic voting machines are quite hackable. So there that this day. Technical and it's it's that it is that there're there're some certain bigger differences in places. Electronic voting. Invented keeper dialing that you would normally expect. There's other experts that statistician to who can explain that week. Purely by the difference in that demographic between where it does voting machines are. But there are an expert first name it. Because the vote altered difference between electronic voting machines and paper ballots the only way to note to make it is to go back into account. Are you telling me that Jill Stein. That nobody's put in Europe to this that she really that her ultimate goal in this. Is to see if she really won a state. No thinker or go to stop. Being proud are you shoot and run. Because she could write a bit but her attacker goal. I don't think it should reasonably expect actually go into but it can achieve and should she she's making art. And and remembered you know Jill started it and is. Is it true believers should believer in the she's an idealistic. Kennedy who believes in the security politics and purity of her vision and herb. And that. And says she's taking an ideal. Circumstances you can you can say that that is like Tokyo to create. Where it stations and on certain principle. But the fact that matters is that all these states. Have these these rules in place for someone. Who want to add Kendry the money into it to do. OK so let me go back to the vote total of the difference in. Do Wisconsin's there were their starting. What Wisconsin it 20000 votes. In terms of recounts in terms of elections being. Decided her over changed. Had has any thing close like that is as any kind of vote differential like that ever been overturned. Well. I complete in between that this is is actually quite a lot of potent and remember that in order cheap too. Make up the difference that 23000 votes. I'm there have to be some systematic. Potentially key that would. Would take votes that her are her. And a total votes in one category in terms column what should have been gains. Content. So you're talking about here are some kind of thing like in the movie they campaign. Where the machine was purposely rigged if you wanna use that word or missed programmed. So that if you voted the button if you press the button for Hillary. It went as a vote for Donald Trump and some kind of forensic proof of that. Well if that's certainly one of the things that they've that they've counted design future. The other potential idea that remembered it. You're having billion billion. Ballot there and there's always the possibility that some of them were counted correctly whether that is you know it. The paper ballots were counted and correct the ordeal. Are counted incorrectly. So. Again in Wisconsin with 20000 votes to watch remembered you know at 111000. That's a bit more probable. It difficult it is that it Pennsylvania they're talking to share and 8000 that. Right and so that's an enormous number and the only election is Hillary Clinton would take all we. I'll tell me again how you can improve. That those that voted illegally you would have to be some kind of tampering with a machine ranked. Well it got. That's that there is that there would be that there could gain some camp with machine or there could. Are there machines and those states on line because. We did a lot of interviews before the campaign when I run of before the election went ironically Donald Trump was the guy talking about the system being rigged. And hacking etc. and we heard from so many people in so many states have told us some machines are not on line so they can't be hacked. So so that they re election and there are programs tensions in the county by county so it can differ between counts. So it's true that must've. The election machines are not. Connected to your credit but that that means but the. Bode well actually they are you going to vote and that that. Essentially that. The vote gets recorded. Electronically than those electronic. But records. Are tabulated. On state like being so there is rich rancher. Electronic information. That again and I you know I don't watch it on the computer expert. Most of the computer experts that that I have been talking about that they didn't incredibly remote possibility. But they do see at the possibility. That this that'd been the victim of act especially given that we did this pretty clear. That Russia did attempt to. Influence the election by playing take these stories by packing on very democratic you know. I'm so. Again I don't think that this is gonna change election I don't think that this has been at the end of the day. You know Hillary Clinton present it it's an incredibly. Well very very big block shot. But others. I'm not people and until industry development that. Counting the elections. Kittens and vote again. Is something that just doesn't and it. Is there any idea where that money came from was it five dollars and ten dollars or. I am no I I. I don't know I don't know she's released sort of the average side of the donation and that she. And Laurence Tribe a Harvard constitutional law professor. Says that although recounts are entirely within the law Stein's effort is probably aimed toward trying to gain attention. And establish yourself as a national player Matt hale professor of political science. And public affairs at Seton Hall University says and correct me wrong professor that you think she's doing this because she actually thinks. She could win a Stater too. Learn. No I actually I don't think she believes she can win Stater QA and I don't think itchy. Believes that this is not a two it may hurt the winner. You know I actually I agree with professor tribe. Either. You're doing it begins in the true believers in. In in the rights of votes to be counted that's one reason cheap subsidies and because she likes the attention so. I don't think that those are mutually exclusive things she's doing indication wanted to get in the news and she's getting into cheap and to the right into the. Well who wouldn't like the attention right meant. Palin issued this so tell me procedurally. Electoral College meets December 19 does that rank. OK so that they meet December 19 these recounts. Ours laid it to four win in Wendy of this state deadlines kick in its that are. Should it that was partly when they may. That's when it and so hard and assuming that that jewels Stein writes the check they're gonna start recounting of votes by Thursday. But this week. Date and hopefully can except by the following week and then that would be another certification of the witch hunts and results. Who which would be well before the Electoral College. And we see each remembered it's not like they go to Bryant. In an acronym Denny's I didn't mean to rain like that. Might be nice get them all together. Sheer big value breakfast on. Donald Trump was his tweeting out I'm a little confused by this because he won. It seems to me when he tweets about voter fraud he Sany elections rigged. It during the debate he said he'd accept the results if he won he won it seem like he's still not accepting the results saying that he would've won the popular vote I think. The corollary to that is if I don't win the popular vote and I'm not. A legitimate president. And unlike the four others are like the four doomed discounting like the four people before him. That he won the Electoral College is not the popular vote. Is there anything he can gain by getting involved in his other than having a representative there to make sure everything's done according oil. Well you know I I I've been tarnished lately that I think that the Morgan discover whether Donald Trump does indeed it did president is it's. His staff is able to take his putter can only lead street. And and you know it should be far better present when that happens it's it's that aren't. You know it it it's it's still I answered with an evidence for murder. All four for a recount. I'm the state that Donald Trump mentioned particularly in history. Did there's no ad. Any sort of like Gilbert fraud. Debt any credible evidence. Including vote differential between types is machine. And so. You know to fit that pattern adult something shown that he simply cannot except. Criticism. Or potential criticism. Because it's like he's aligning himself with Jill Stein and you're damn right there was voter fraud. Right next which makes no sense at all exactly has he won the election. He once he's president saying he will regret it true warriors yeah you know and and art music. I think that that there is sort of the bigger issues to think about it. What happens you'll sign win. And these states are overturned. Is if we're worried about protests in the street. Based on Trump's election imagine what happens when talk supporters the end. Hillary supporters ball skidded to the streets. That the fundamental. Scary issue. About. People should not yet but an action and violence coming towards I think from a terrifying possibility. Professor going to say this I've been known for losing every NFL than ever made my life. But dead Jill Stein winning bet I will take. It and whatever odds you need but I promise you. I don't think it's gonna happen thank you sir are reached you'd written I give a good day. Thank you Matt hale professor of political science and public affairs at Seton Hall University. I'm getting some text here from a lot of you were burning up. About what the professor was saying that I'd like to hear from the NT six O 187 in leaving this recount business. Andy is it is the or more to it than meets the guy. For example Jill Stein raising twice as much money for this recount. As she did two run her campaign. And the fact that. Somebody's game and somebody it's names because no papers have been filed yet for any kind of recount. We'll talk when we come back and waiting on Donald Trump's Twitter account. Does he need to do is knock off the tweets I it's a guy's on a delta flight going from Allentown. Two who. And from Atlanta and Allentown man flight to 4080s standing in the isle yelling insulting Hillary Clinton supporters. We got some Hillary b.s on here he says you know and it's a curse word. Proceeds plateau trumps yelled Trump's name a few times only other passengers riding norms staring at phones and tablets. And ending at their arms folded says you know I get to ban. And an almighty didn't. Taking out the flight they said the crew question a man and made the best decision could give any information inning and and allowed him to remain on the fight I'll be gone a flagrant Dallas unusual to Bermuda how to create a raucous avail type any kind of got tirade now they'll go for the in so let's talk about this recount for the last half hour that we have what. What what is going on behind this because. Com. They Hillary Clinton people are saying man over the last few days. This from her lawyer. They've gotten hundreds of messages emails and calls urging him to do anything to investigate claims. That the election results were hacked and altered and awaited disadvantage Secretary Clinton. They say there and claims are primarily was respect diminished in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania but. Hillary and even campaign in Wisconsin. So maybe you look at your campaign and see why he lost. Bomb. So there again involved in this on an old their funding Jill Stein. And is this a direct contradiction. Of what Hillary Clinton setting called Donald Trump for out for on during a debate when she said. If you don't support. The winner of this election huge shouldn't be on this stage and now it seems as though. How the tables have turned because. The personnel was saying and trump should support the results is now demanding a recount. Through via proxy in the the people that. I don't know that said they wouldn't accept the results unless they won one but now they're claiming voter fraud. So this whole thing is crazy isn't it's a rough edges what are ranks rivas the a chief of staff for president elect trump had to say about it on FOX News Sunday. This is a fundraising. Notoriety driven fraud. By a person who won 33000. Votes in Wisconsin to president elect trump who won one point four million. So you tell me what's going known as they recount is there anything to be gained there is it a case of follow the money. And do you think it's gonna change anything at all little listen to this from the final Donald Trump Hillary Clinton debate. You're not prepared now what I have I mentioned is that I will tell you what to time I'll keep you in suspense well Chris let me respond to that because that's horrifying. You know every time Donald thinks things are not going in his direction he claims. Whatever it is is rigged against him. The FBI conducted a yearlong investigation into my emails they concluded there was no case he said the FBI was rigged. He lost the Iowa caucus he lost the Wisconsin primary. He said the Republican primary was rigged against him. Then trump university gets sued for fraud and racketeering. He claims the court system and that's federal judges rigged against him. Yeah there is even at time when. He didn't get an Emmy for his TV program three years in a row he started tweeting that the Emmys were rigged and should again this this is day my sad this is this is how Donald thinks. And it's funny but it's also really troubling. Well it it's troubling to win you Coleman both camps agree. That as soon as he Associated Press calls the election. The loser rule called the winner within fifteen minutes and concede deal like this is the top tips that I don't know if there's any. Force of law behind better it's binding legally or not. Let that happen Hillary came out the next day and said we gotta support president trumpet setter. Jill Stein who was not even on that stage. And to get on that stage she would have had to leapfrogged. Mom who is the only Gary Johnson. Gary Johnson yet issued a head to LeapFrog him by a lie because he wasn't on the stage either. Now she raises seven million dollars for. Oh recount. That is not yet the check is not yet been written. You can look at this a couple of different ways you can look at it is Hillary is Ray Nagin on her word. And is secretly funding some kind of account for deals dying to ask for the recount. Did delegitimize. Donald Trump's presidency. You can look at it as. Jill Stein is trying to make a name for herself and try buries much money she can. And then she said there's a disclaimer on the web site saying that not all of the Monday it is no guarantee the money's going to be used for recount. But it will be used did to make sure that elections are conducted properly and I'm paraphrasing but whatever that means. What is also interesting is that Donald Trump is also saying that. He's back to call in her crooked Hillary and tweets as of last night this morning in saying that there needs to be a recount because. There was massive voter fraud in he would have won the popular vote headed not be in for that fraud. So. The people that say. The one that said he'll let us know if he will acknowledge or at least concede and accept the results of the election. That won the election. Is saying there was voter fraud that cost him the popular vote. The woman on this stage with him Hillary Clinton his opponent. Conceded. But perhaps could be the force behind. Jill Stein. Demanding a recount. And a woman that didn't even come close. To getting on the stage for the debate is demanding a recount as though in some ways she's gonna benefit or it's gonna turn the election. In that stayed over to Hillary Clinton. And she talks about hacking and I think in Michigan perhaps of the ballots world. Paper I think. I think that's true son and I can hack that you can discount them. And I you know I get a texas' Tommy Ellis and you know religiously is there nothing else to talk about the election is over. And I texted back and as and that's appoint neither Jill Stein Donald proper Hillary Clinton will acknowledge that. And attacks came back in and I know it just gets aggravating you don't Amylin and four. I am looking for. December 19 that is what I am living for right now. And I am living for the electors they cast their ballots and for this once and for all finally to be over. But I got a bad Phelan that something is going to happen to prevent that from occurring. I hope I'm wrong and then there's this. A Republican member of the Electoral College from Texas says he's resigning so he won't can ask one of the State's 38 electoral votes. For Donald Trump. Art says narrows. Previously told the Associated Press he was wavering on supporting trump. Because the Republicans quote not biblically qualified for office. I have no idea what that means. But he said the best option he sees. This time does the electors to resign his position. Texas law does not required the presidential electors to vote in accordance with the states. Presidential election results I don't think a lot of states do. And as in Texas at least they're gonna meet in Austin next month on the nineteenth the vote for president. And by Texas law they can vote on a replacement for this is narrows guy and I presume. They would vote. For somebody. That would vote for Donald Trump. But you know they say it ain't over till it's over demean inning going to be over. Until December 19 and it is signed sealed and delivered and I think here. You know I don't know even if you are Hillary Clinton supporter at some point I think we all need this to just be over in. Move on a couple of text that nom. Came in here. From. Tommy you know Hillary's behind the recount also why wouldn't trump went to Twitter when the media simply take one word out of source material. And frame their phony narrative around at trump can actually communicate to us directly with Twitter. Not rocket surgery dude well. I think a president elect has a behaved differently then. A handed it. And in terms of an Indian rocket surgery I think you have to realize. What Donald Trump been essence is saying. Is that bull wait a minute if I didn't win the electoral invited when the popular vote and that I'm not the president. That may not be the way he sees it that that is an offshoot of what he's saying. So he needs to keep his mouth shut any needs to act presidential. I voted for in my hired him and that's what I think needs to happen in Garland has come and up next he is gonna have a great show for yet. Talking about the I handed right economy right now. Come on talk error what did you do when it anyway it's a great show coming over the Garland. Talk about Donald Trump and federal funds for Louisiana.