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12-27 9am Tommy, are you worried about climate change?

Dec 27, 2016|

Tommy talks to Andreas Prein, a scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, and Sterling Burnett, an Environmental Research Fellow at the Heartland Institute, about a new study on climate change.

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Did you find. That the weather news affected your Christmas yes. In that it just didn't get you in the mood it was hard for you believe that it was. Christmas or. Childhood memories of life and is it just didn't seem right to me a day and you mentioned what last year we and a record breaker too didn't. Yes that's and I didn't realize guy that's that a year earlier was as hot. I had you know it's ironic his move forward to Christmas sides I. Was like you in and then I am wound up with some people that were very very nice and I don't know whether had nothing to do with a but it does have something to do with the if you live along the coast doric. You know I imagine even as far as agricultural concerns and what were summer crops in winter crops and so forth. And the crying and joins us right now scientists at the national center for atmosphere research good morning Andy. Martin. Thank you take its time I'm from an accent I'm guessing you misery from Guerrero arm. Well it was the same thing pretty much morals a lot like Austria. Except nowhere near the view dealer you know. No offense to Marrero but they can't have certain areas of at some water concerns let's get serious on climate change. Com you know us this sees 1005. We had snow in new long ones on Christmas for the first time in as long as anybody could remember that was also the year the broadest Hurricane Katrina so I think the two. It will 2004 Christmas 2004 and and August of 2005 was Katrina. So now the to have been inexorably linked and I've said on the area also for a white Christmas and people immediately sir taxing in and saying hell no we don't want another Katrina. From blood. Tell me I guess where we even begin this conversation between weather and climate. And Donald Trump seems as though he's on the fence either way about it. Is there any doubt in your mind that. Decline and he's changing. And I guess the second question in this is are we responsible forward with CO2 gases. So concerning your first question I think there's not really below there's no doubt anymore thing that climate is changing we concede it's everywhere. And just to extremes that you mentioned and so looking at. Reasons. Decade or two decades disputed extremes are becoming more and more frequent. Although the volt. You see for example sea level rising you seem out of the glaciers melting you see choral we used by being and so there. Overwhelming evidence. That the climate is changing. And so it's related to. Agree not cut emissions source it's in part really. Related to human actions. You're the leader this oh lead author of this study that. Predicted. A ghastly one time. Klein in his would you expect lenders which again is an accurate. Epic yet as and so Mark Twain thing to can predict that this. So what your study showed is that we worrying because of climate change we are in for more radical weather would that be a maybe an acceptable way to put it as it relates to the springs of rainstorms that we had here. And then of course we and in the fall to it seems like it is Kane 25 inches of rain crazy amounts of rain at one time. Yes that is maybe what you would expect from climate change actually so you you would expect that there whether it's getting more extreme. On the one inside you can get very strong rainfall amounts which can cause flooding and landslides and things like that and you experiences that. You're already quite a lot. On the other side you can also get more droughts so it's going in both sides sometimes after Gulf Coast it's more like the wet side. Who bombed in intriguing and in extreme rainfall events are very illiquid and do exactly what our Saudi authorities so useful. That's what's happening is basically you basically you get higher temperatures. And the atmosphere is to be warmer. And do do that you can store more moisture in the atmosphere. And since you have more Morse or you can also produce more rain soaked and reading that can be more intense meaningful due to warmer atmosphere and that is something we worry. LA on the bag get every second because we don't have a DVR where we where and a bag as a way would he say now so. There's more. The more heat allows for more. Hutchison. So just to have a warmer atmosphere. And warm climate allows you to store more moisture in the atmosphere. If you think just. How much more so you can have in the atmosphere it's increasing exponentially if you warmup the atmosphere at them wickets on YouTube where you have. Less moisture and lower intensely painful but this summer. Because it's summertime you have warmer atmosphere and you would close political witch. Just if operating. Or releasing a lot of moisture in Serbia. And that's what you can get very strong storms in summertime. Or and useful article is still balanced or always full article is that it warms still. Soul. And take a break here and we come back Allen ask you to make the connection. And I mean you know in a court of law anything obviously but just explained to us now. We have been responsible for that matter if we have been responsible for that is human beings with the way. Did that we've chosen to use power generate power when it UK. But I want to will only come Beckel do you that if you hang on. And if anybody has any questions gonna call in and ask him. I T 601 aides have any Andy Prine scientists at the national center for atmosphere Kris search in any views on me something in terms of the warm the atmosphere of the more moisture holes which in turn can lead to more severe weather events 915 Tommy Tucker back in a flash and have a WL. He's crying scientists at the national center for atmosphere researches Weathers talk about a study. That indicates if you think rainfall as increased. Get ready because you're gonna have rainfall on steroids would that be inaccurate. Condensation of the story. The study. It's en Las Vegas Sarah is address the elephant in the room if I'm me Andy because people are texting and on his. And only gets stuck on his own and a year would you have to say okaying. Yeah the gentleman is from Austria and he sounds like Arnold Schwarzenegger okay. We got that out of purses than an ounce and Allen's pay attention. That the data and and what does this science. Says about this so like what kind of differences in rainfall here in Louisiana we you know identify with the the this summer time cloud by a burst of whatever you call it where they heat used builds up in the and whatever happens and then the energy has to be released and it damages. Thunderstorms and then. They've seen those sun's out like it never happened. He's talking about that kind of cycle changing where it would be a lot more rain or a lot visited the rain that falls would be allowed heavier. Where would be a lot more frequent in terms of the rain that we got. So more. Really all the students so what you see you already you know observations as 30% increase of very heavy rainfall events in the Gulf Coast region. That is something we already see from from the history what you sort of all the but these books were these forward to future at the end of the century. Under the assumption that we don't do anything with greenhouse gas emissions that is it business as usual sorts. A fairly strong warming approximately 45 degrees. And rookies you will be this is 2% increase in rainfall rates so if you have a stroke lead over them and policies that will be. 50% stronger so instead of something like five insists he kept could've seven point five engines which is a huge amount border. Well especially in an area like this where the pumps drain and an intern dollar and and I and a half an inch for the next hour. Yeah as it goes next hours so yea you terminal a difference in terms of water and street hottest it's ever. I think the most extreme saying decrease you know but he used to frequently change instead of having one of these events in the years you'll fight. Or two parts third district frequently change its 400% more which is very much. So it's a much more likely to get a very strong flooding in at the end of the century if you assumed that don't do anything we announced that mission. Can I hit you at this text him because I don't know how to answered nearly a man and I presume you would mom. And it's very I think. Is symbolic gore a representative of the text of people that do not believe anything of what you're saying it's as more radical liberal propaganda there. It may be is a voice it to Tex thing I don't know I know science and politics makes for very strange bedfellows only found that out. When he came to levies for us here during Katrina the engineers told sign and is told congress would we needed to. Congress agreed to compromise on Hansen exactly what the tests said the levees and do in Vicksburg Mississippi. Happened here and that's. While the city flooded the let's let's just get to this sex more radical liberal proper gander. Climate exchange for thousands of years they have an ice age warm age hurricanes floods tornadoes and other disasters. Man did not have anything to do with it then and do not have anything to do it now liberals want to use this hoax. To create redistribution. Of wealth schemes. Do will just say that doctor. I would pretty epic there's overwhelming evidence in the community that is what you're seeing is is human being use and so. If you don't believe in climate change let's let's assume Google that's all. Just because you have huge increase in population along Google calls. We have so much more people living in very vulnerable area. It's very important to still spotty what's happening. And recede that things are changing dramatically. Just whoever it is more and more frequent storms that you can see from observations already. Telling him I'm stars that are. Or did tell me if you will in pain as the picture again. How would take us from you know we we we fill our tank with dance we have a coal. Some fans heard the phrase clean coal use I don't know that there is such a thing as clean coal is there. No not at the moment. Because the last time I I checked he was just a phrase that was manufactured. By the coal industry. Sort of thing with clean coal is that you took Singapore. Filtering out the utes who once you. Or Nicole. Which is not happening at all but in theory you could Tibet so you could filter out its YouTube from the emissions and then stored somewhere for example and and on the store. OK still government debt relief and I'd so bluntly let's get back to. Weasel like car with gas and and it really do wanna make it this. To lower a little sample of levels of Wii can owners and it is we're not as educated on this or not at least I'm certainly not a Jewelers of we car with gasoline. We start the engine we drive him there and he and and and what happens with Elvis doing business. So what's basically happening to you from of these greenhouse gases into the atmosphere Lex you do or from the plane. And what's your captives. Particles in the studio deal lingering in law around in the atmosphere of program a long time so once you have utes who admitted into the atmosphere it will be beautiful a hundred years. And what's happening is its solar radiation and some licensing agreements are present warming up to surface. Bands. The that it surfaces getting warmer and warmer and reducing. What we call it for retribution citizens. Radiation which you can feel it at seats. But the predicting is if you have a lot of green house gases in the atmosphere did radiation cannot escape anymore. But it's. It's reflected those states in Serbia in the atmosphere and warms up requirements citizens didn't happening all the time. Because predicted the reason that we can live on so we need to its greenhouse gas effect but what you're doing we're enhancing it. So we are just pumping in more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. That's why it's getting more. So is the only way in your opinion to fix this year reverse this. I guess I'll make an analogy of somebody that smoking in quits. A calm day and if we were to change our ways would this eventually heal itself and would it. The ocean levels go back to where they were would glaciers begin the reform. Mom or are these permanent things that have happened to the years that will never go back to the way they wore. So would be so what we think there are certain threshold and climate system. The first couple of equations that melt knowledgeable not recover in the next I don't know what the for a very long time appeal more of those laws but. If we stop the meeting now we can we can limit the effects of climate change to a two manageable. Wait for example if you. Don't stop. Producing or if you don't limit greenhouse gas emissions you risk for a double to melt the ice sheets in the Arctic. Just to give you a feeling if you melts the green hollow agreement shields. It would lead through six meet her or harmonies these artists. Between seats approximately. You have arise. And that's what we have huge effects on. Global population which there are so many people living typical. And six hour debate conventions policy to off of you would arise. What the roots of what a huge area. That this would be very very costly and people would have to might reasonably from the coast. And let me bring some politics into this. YA. Why do you think there is such resistance at this is it because of you know Michael at the India Brazil. China model where analysts they get on board. An offshoot would be we tighten restrictions in this country. So then accompanying those two Indio or Brazil or lower. China wherever. And they are actually less controls so as a result they produce more greenhouse gases and make the situation worse is. For herself would that be an accurate statement or an actor accurate scenario that could happen. At at the mill because. You know we have this terrorist agreements in 2016 and I don't know if you heard of Sarah and yes the people global leaders came together. And trivia addressed this issue of global climate change. And it's so tricky because the real all the on the green slopes so we are older and same boat no matter if you're in China India or somewhere else. You'll all we all would suffer from the global climate change effects. So are they adhering to and Andy is there a process and plays. A protocol to make sure that India and the other countries are adhering to the same. Rules that we are as it relates to greenhouse emissions. So embarrassed all of these countries agreed to. To reduce greenhouse gas emissions and to move to limit cool climate warming to warm point five degrees which we think it's it's still arranged words. More or less we don't face doom really huge impact rector melting off the green about shield and think about. So all of the countries China and India included agreed that we should do something about it. They agreed to a but I guess I'm asking in terms of policing. Isn't there are some mechanism in place and make sure that everybody is doing or not do on Wednesday there suppose you're not supposed to do. I think it still on the debate but at the end. You know if you don't do anything it could be much more costly than if you do something now. Well and at least some of my final question for you which is if we don't do anything. What kind of timeframe are you looking at and what kind conditions are you predicting on this planet. Within whatever time frame you wanna choose. So that the problem with the timeframe that's really is we did that there are we not get as we admit Tuesday it will stay in the atmosphere for a hundred years. So that the warming will go on if you mr. stop admitting they're warming will go along for a long long time. So we will have to accept solstice emissions that sort of on the road generations. So if we don't stop soon we will also produce review consequences. In terms of consequences would that be. Again a break it down to a very simple level and what affects us. Where we hear in those cells that deep cells would have more. It had better gauge UC Christmas is being warm not cold. None August CNN I sit evident just trying to make it in the end is something that people can relate to his one. Yep definitely so what what what our bodies were accomplish do you should get used to bury strongly for the events which caused a lot of flash flooding. You should get used to it a coastal flooding like Steve Verizon isn't in freezing. Irreparably. You should get used to very intense hurricanes. I think that that's so good especially the Gulf Coast you're in a very vulnerable area. And higher temperatures. Antarctic temperature possible now to add more equity and real. I realize that's a very minor concern any doses trying to make it and it you know does. You know what they mean he had dean need yards under eight feet of water and you're worried about a warm Christmas what needs. I don't know yet though not totally but yeah you're right it did look a moment it's something we're very certain about. I understand they get a LV have a good day and you've been a delight to talk to you know become back on. I Andy pre nup Prine sciences at the national center for atmosphere resurgent what do you agree with what he had to say or not the man was a a great guests and we get another one coming up where he has manners acted disagrees with sandy Bryan his name is sterling Burnett he is. And environmental research fellow managing editor environment and climate news for the heartland institute. So we'll get his take on it. As well and I'm just try any I think is a very complicated thing I'm just trying to put it in the terms that we can all. Understand I thought at first. And that this was a hoax at this some time and this was some kind of if for whatever reason. Fraud it was being perpetrated but now I don't but I also believe that we need some kind of policing in effect. To make sure that everybody's doing what they're supposed to because otherwise. It will be a small difference but will be analyzing ourselves and there will that be a noticeable difference I don't think in the climate of the world will find out we come back. 933 time now Devin WL first news that would go to David Blake had a conversation about climate change and it was spawned partly. By people who. At various Christmas gatherings bomb. Was not very happy with the weather. Well I mean does that drive you all muggy and there and foggy and it's not right. And I think I'd like to know. From the audience. And a hustling and how to phrases. If you believe in climate change. What are you most afraid of from the people who don't. And if you don't believe in climate change. What are you most afraid of from the people who do. Mile track and get the phone lines on your T 60187. In. Because there are varying opinions on this as you pointed out in Ireland we've got people like that last gas that. So we're gonna get hot and nasty. A lot of rain which was apparently both allowed Moreno line. It more frequent rain and the rain when it does rain it would be more intense and we all know how problematic that India a year plus it. No I am. You know I think part of the problem here in terms of message is that we're being told. That we have to make instant messaging instant changes. For things that are going to be around for a hundred years. And cause problems for a hundred years and I think it causes a disconnect. With a lot of people literally think let's welcome in sterling Burnett. Environmental research fellow in managing editor of environment and climate news for the heartland institute good morning sterling. Morton thanks there's a doctor Burnett. Are. Like Kelly anyway tell me doctor Rama about the institute if you will oil or the yeah I guess about well. You know it that are out more than thirty years to Oregon State basement I'm working on. Or policies you know what that it's on national it they'll deal on policy issues in every state national. We deal for. Many you know mostly economics. Four main policy issues but it taxes health care. School reform and energy and climate and I beat. Dozen workers Jean-Claude. One changed. So I presume you're familiar with the study by a Andrea is proud pride right. Well that's a relatively new stadium had a chance that a lot of time on it but it that's who wanted to talk about which he increased range Indians yeah. You know. Yeah. People who. Nuclear use the camps of the very outset the city's people who don't believe departure could do was a mistake to do. Yeah thanks so I don't know one could. Change a lot of people. On the climate change could not here but I don't act on change attract our names changed through our history but Jawad. Dot geologic time scale on you know why aren't times scale it's it's always changing. I'm not stable let the mistakes people who are concerned. Humans are causing dangerous climate change. That they might think that the only thing Everett Chinese army as human actions and we know that's not true. So is that where the major disagreement comes in everybody agrees on that everybody from the tax that I get I can tell you that not everybody agrees but. A lot of people agree most agreed that the climate is changing the big controversy or differences to as to why you. Yet the extent to which humans human activities are caught in the Portland change that's where I want they actually. But in the order rest of this this comes to pick here is what the impacts of climate change will be. And that would be true whether or cause your nature. And just to stick to sort of latter question because that's study. Is predicting. That he's pretty more frequent. And more potential and so. Well. He thought. He could. Because. In his predictions about look at all the predictions including his prediction that was made more you know it may twenty years ago. And haven't proven true they keep making predictions about artwork. You look at what they say it should happen if this isn't occurring in the factors they which is an activity. And these are the impact that they say. Should be happening coming true and I'm in the audience. There which seems to me to disprove her theory your undermined theory. That humans are the main card himself for instance. He's predicting more. You know I think he's got urging Jean Dixon old old. Those that don't know Jean Dixon was psyche in the national inquire. At every year would predict. Mom. Things are gonna happen I. Think she may have predicted JFK's assassination but if she did it was pure coincidence. And it. I how you know at a bird count should get right at the gas and there are things work well. They predicted that the Arctic North Pole. Should be the decline we'll get that one predictions. Come right over over twenty years. Though the key fluctuated in their general decline. But they also predicted the ice and ice levels should decline in Antarctica and just crops in the based on ideas humans are on screen green after conference. Debt we should be there's more and more frequent and more or do you just dip well. We're expert and you've ever change and the hurricanes that you would we have major cork in class three hurricane. Make landfall in 09. Year which in the longest period ever recorded. It would. Well I'll tell you this I can remember watching. Special on one of the science channels where they did it Digg did corners you know they they went down and done cores and raise them up. And they said according to this that we were in the cycle where we're gonna have hurricanes like Katrina every year. And I can remember it getting media opposite to the point where I was ready to move to Arizona or somewhere and then none of that did come true. But so that the point is they've made a lot of predictions and a prediction but they've just been wrong. I'm in spirits decline you know polar bears are all time as part which it. But they said they do you botch job worse now and on line as well melting in about her. I would get a ticket would you take a break sterling will come back picking up here's sterling Burnett environmental research fellow in managing editor. Environment and climate news for the heartland institute and really one question for you when we come back sterling and that is. What if they're right do you error on the side of caution on this one. Or do you roll the dice and hope they're wrong and we'll find out when we come back Tommy Tucker have a WL. I 950 sterling Burnett we are running away late so the question I pose before the break if you could. What if they are ranked. And what is the other side is right with the predictions of C rising. In he says sometimes or sometimes they aren't. What do you do if they are right and we do nothing. Well not recommend we do not question what's the best response Libyans that this response though. What is not is to stop it energy use and that's all poor extra help countries get richer. Or so that we can adopt adapt to the changes in climate. Or mitigate changes in climate regardless across the source and that means using fossil fuels. We know you know they they thought were to risk so we look we track. How much was single as well what's the best response it is it reducing. Futures steel rod by mark Norman out they say it would work we cut fossil fuel emissions that could let an. She papers. Debt or is it. Hardening our coasts. Stopping. Activity policies and incurred building in places where people shouldn't be building subsidizing insurance making people. He built in the flood plain note what what you build their you'd pay the cost priests and people stop built and building sea walls. To what the Dutch have done hundreds of years to keep to see them. You talk about disease okay what was what can we currently have. A couple of thousand. Additional cases. Malaria. And dengue fever and these other tropical diseases occurring under your. Can we take the and you know undertake activities that stop malaria and you're sort of gimmick to get the and Google which is spray with pastor Dick from mosquitoes before. Say yeah they is that people. I sterling we gotta run I appreciate your time be have a happy to only seventeen. Users are going Burnett environmental research fellow managing editor. Of environment and climate news from the heartland institute will be back Tommy Tucker debit WL. Tommy Tucker tonight about climate change and crazy weather. 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That's got to be kind of scary you know like okay what will see Mario back already oh my god. Ron in Pensacola was gonna tell us about. Sea levels they're that they haven't arisen. And all but he hang up hung up so it's a case some of the tanks that have come in a climate. Is fine Tommy we need to figure out how remaining at this other galaxy that it's moving towards us stop because when it hits us. It's going to be a big mess that I would not doubt. Another text Tommy we live in a bubble. To say it over seven billion people and more animals living on the years to have no effect on climate changes absurd. From the heartland instituted says is funded by corporations and conservative interest groups. Who stand to gain financially from climate change denial. There is no objectivity and are supporting pseudoscience perhaps move we wanted to hand both sides. All one. In 1992 Al Gore the climate change nut case and the sea level along all it goes on a New York could be six or seven feet higher. If global warming is going on my places like Chicago Green Bay in North Dakota. Have had ten degree and 25 degree temper two hours. And I think you got to do have to make a difference between climate and weather. Because you can't say well it's cold today. Where's your climate change or it's hot today. Ways climate change set I Garland the best to Garland coming up next right here on WWL I will talk to you bright and early tomorrow morning at six.