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3/15/16 81:0pm Double Coverage Are the Saints being naieve in trusting the Patriots in a possible Malcolm Butler deal?

Mar 16, 2017|

The Saints are close to acquiring All-Pro cornerback Malcolm Butler from the Patriots. But, it will likely cost the Saints a first round pick. Plus, the Patriots could pull the rug out from under the Saints last minute and steal their 11th overall pick.

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Mike Triplett ESP NN affiliate reporter covering in the world saints will join us talk a little saint what else is there to talk about this point I mean. It's a week in a free agency here we are still talking about the prospect of the saint acquiring all pro cornerback Malcolm Butler he's in town for a visit. Ultimately who knows. It is likely gonna cost saints a first round pick. But are you concerned are you little unnerved by the she eighty mystic comes with. The New England Patriots in terms of could they be pulling one pull a fast one on the saints. Because as it stands right now because of the CB it is saints would have too if they sign now come Butler to a restricted. Create art to a contract offer. The patriots have five days to match or choose. To take the saint highs taken round one which would be number eleven overall war. They could reach some sort of deal outside of the number one pick it could be for the 32 pick or. The second round pick 42 overall are you concerned at all about some shady dealings from the New England Patriots and also what does this ends up. I'm on about this trade are this acquisition of Malcolm Butler. Ends up being what in essence is a one for one swap. Would branding cook will Christian what do you mean I'm glad you assets. Kristin what do you make in so. In essence it could be a one for one swap why is that because essays could end up sending the pages that 32 pick back to New England. Their third round pick that they acquired in the Brenda Coke's trade are and then. Ultimately getting now from Boller so we would in essence beat it once for one swap. For branding coach an op on Boller would you be OK with that at that ended up coming out that way I would absolutely be all right with trading if it turns out to be that. Malcolm Butler for branding coach straight up. Out of like absolutely let's do it. OK well here's my and I am worried. About this franchise. Pulled a fast one here on the saints I don't care. If Belichick and John paid our best of friends off the field we both know that both those guys. Would rob each other's mothers to when Super Bowl again even though Belichick Carty has 50 and by the way. This is the most notoriously shady franchise in the NFL. Not only does everybody know about of course spy gate that happen they're videotaping scandal against the New York Jets in the rest of the NFL. It's there alleged cheating goes all the way back to 1982. Christian view. Oh you're the snowplow game yet ever against the dolphins in 98 to write snowy game all game long. Whether contributed to just the obvious the horror of offense they are playing in New England. Then all of a sudden their kicker. Trots out for a game winning field goal on what happens a work release convicts Mark Anderson he drives a snowplow onto the field clear a spot for the kicker. And the patriots win that football game we're back in 1982. And in 2000 sue everybody forgets this Marshal walking maintains that this day but the patriots stole their game pan and their playbook. He says is Marshall thought that the patriots. In Super Bowl 36 of one of the long last second field goal knew all their plays especially in the red zone. And walked up the line of scrimmage and were calling out the plays even before their arrest wrestled the rams who knew what they were doing and obviously spy gear happened in 27 he had the illegal formation over the extra. Eligible offensive lineman Willie thought that Alley rapid and and of course their latest scandal that cost him draft picks and Brady suspension. Deflate gay in 2015. So. Here's the scene set on this one as it stands right now the letter of the NFL law if this tender get signed by now symbolic the first round tender if the saints want to sign welcome Butler. The patriots. Are eligible to be to take. The highest first round pick. That the saints currently have on the books and what is that pic that's on number 32. That's pick number eleven so by the letter of the law the patriots. Could acquire and could and would have every right to ask. For the number eleven overall picks so as a as the U. Defender of the saints fans who bats out there that are probably scratching their head and get a little worried about this. What could have announcing it will happen. Will look concerned that this deal gets done and it's you know behind the scenes Sean Payton and Bill Belichick have these conversations they're talking about it oh yeah will be fine but taken your. Number 32 overall pick for a for Malcolm Butler and and after the states put pen to paper and sign Malcolm but all this and the patriots go to league office and say okay. Butler got signed we sent to a first round tender and we want New Orleans number eleven. And they pull the rug out from under the saints. And at all you know and the black and gold are stuck but the pants now. All here's the thing I understand the trepidation and I think your parent your concern is validate it it's certainly reasonably. Founded however the saints are gonna bring Malcolm Butler two in the world is about giving the interview gauging. Exactly the compensation then that the patriots who won in other words. They've art I think the hardy got a deal and placed as to pay if you signed him to a deal we're not gonna and we were one opportunity we may and matches depending on. How how low it is of its if it's lower than what they figured it would be. And they wanna they won a match and then they might but. I think it took the compensation the saints and patriots party have. A quote unquote handshake agreement of hey look if you sign him to a contract and we don't match it we're not going at that at 39 and eleventh pick. We want our 32 pick back from you that we sent to you or another package there close to it in terms of value. I don't think saints fans have to worry about. The eleventh overall pick be in jeopardy the saints are gonna risk that and oh by the way you'll bring in a guy like Malcolm Butler when there's other team's interest whenever you're the first team you get them. That usually is a good indication that you have every intention on signing and your job is to not let them leave. The building without a contract didn't done you will not allow him to go. On any other visits and the only way you do that is to offer him a contract that. He will accept. I understand the trepidation and concern but the eleventh overall pick is not in play year. For either as hot as it now and then on top of that day to prevent yourself from getting to from getting fleeced. When you work out a deal we saw see you it's an offer to Malcolm Boller that's how go to. And the patriots would have time to to ultimately match that offer or they can enter negotiations. With the patriots on a compensation package they would get the league office on the phone and say hey sir are your moderating this as they do. Approve the trade here's a bit to the terms of the trade sin did it. But here's the thing and that they all happened and I'm not saying this will happen I am not saying that the rug and William pulled out from under the deal here I'm just bring up the possibility that it can't and what we've seen from the patriots franchise is with these lion that coding strategies that they've had even what deflate gates. Obviously you would spy gate that they are willing to suffer the consequences. Of d.s. Get line toting plays that they make their dismay say okay lead off is gonna get us here but they're gonna have to make another Ted Wells investigation on this. Will be docked to pick and you know 2019 but right now while Tom Brady's still here ruler comfortable. I admire a year hours any theory. It's not a parent I I I applaud you go for your passion in in in Digg and intuitively but it is not a market. But what does watch out for saints fans out there and other thing about this some phone lines are open a 504260187. AD to trust Bill Belichick not to pull a fast one. And Malcolm Butler deal and also. What is Malcolm Butler weren't easy it this ends up being a defective O one for one swap between cooks for Butler. Is that a good deal for the saints Bible for 2601878. You can also text the city 787 LSU and you know 33. Bottom of the sixth inning double coverage on W to do well in government not car. You know privateers and a sweeping LSU they're not and Hillary apiece in the bottom of the sixth inning Alex box stadium. Takes lot of hits and three run bomb that was all the scoreboard. That at the box but man approaches into Coughlin who's a couple days ago makes that it expected to happen just the way of Edmond area is good news is pitching staff was that is our moment to program your idea yet. I take your phone calls at 5042601878. Text 8787 it was a 21 for one swap would basically amounts to for Butler. To arrive in the world once a long term extension but the saints might have this part with some of the bat SOA picks today. Acquired in the Coke's trade is a B a one for one swap PRI that is a good value. Wayne and old Metairie was going on you're on WWL Wayne. That question. Belichick about like about Butler like you are big contract in the big a bit more awful. I. What he knows is that at this point knuckle Butler has asked for. Money and they they they kind of offended a little bit with with with a contract offer boo before the com bind and that tends to sour relationships so ultimately. And they also here's the deal. He recognized that Malcolm Butler can text value. I in allowed them to pull off a trade for coney. Back right yes so it comes back to the value they can get in return for peace that they already had on their rosters have been trying to accumulate draft picks here a couple of things as well on this. It's this is not take away from Boller that's a bond Gilmore is a fantastic quarterback in his own right. He may be right there with Malcolm Boller is you know right around the number ten ish cornerback in the league especially according to pro football focus of the you'll look at. At their ratings are just because grip Gilmore is great and Belichick sees immigrate doesn't mean that the values what they see as as not to Boller who has been an all pro in the sleek. And he's done here for three plus years. Ward made light. Corporate Jason Day our members. We bought. About you have the right spot and are you and me not. Is. This a more. Now he's not a gaga system late it's very clear that he. Yet playing with the patriots certainly helps I because their scheme is is very good and they got other talented players around. But that this is not going to be a flash Japan always Jason David I think that's a that's an unfair comparison. The other part Wayne he had to consider too is when you can turn an undrafted player. In two capital into an asset could fetch you perhaps a first or second round pick. Then you certainly do that this today's NFL because of the way it's structured in the CBA. It's much more advantageous. To get a player. Eight as undrafted and turn him in the currency for you because draft picks are coveted much more so. Then they were before 111 when this new CA and a sliding scale system. Came in the place so that's why that's the other thought Seth that's whether they're thinking and his ways hate this guy was undrafted now we can get something form we're not gonna pay him. And a year from now. Where he's gonna want in a in a lucrative off and it just goes back to the old adage light as its new manage this becoming old is that the best franchises in the NFL acquire draft picks mid and late round draft picks and that's what the patriots are trying to do. Them Baltimore. The Packers Seattle the franchise is the the last really decade plus have been exceptional year tenure helped. Those of the franchises that have had the most draft picks and because of what you just said there's talent to be down and they know this now late rounds under after a maybe not as sure of the thing. Mike took that Mike Triplett. On Twitter ESP NFL nation reporter covering the New Orleans Saints you know we broke out the big stars big guns for this one what's up Mike tower and. I don't sitting outside my house waiting for my level and others call again happy yet be studio wants when chilies in a court order. You love that he loved you know. Hey might. I saw I saw some of the Euro yesterday it coincidentally Alice cussing and it has stumbled upon the Internet started gonna to the web and in found your article about. This Malcolm Butler acquisition that could ultimately. End up being you what's in fact a pseudo one for one swap when branding coach you'd be mean. To talk about that how that could end up. Playing out. We'll look. It's so funny and I realized that this people on Twitter but I really like a detective to find one person on Twitter and set. All we gave British consulate rule it was a dirt that 32 pick the crap that's garbage out and and that net interest we. We can't just accept the thirty cents or. Out of let's. But it is the original trail just been ridiculous amount. You know the only difference is their contracts brain and coach was under contract for two more years. Basically a two year until for the patriots and it decent price would be about. Ten million dollars total over two years Malcolm dollars readiness citing new contract right now. One mile as a restricted. That's the only difference these two guys. If you give them real it's great it's like a bird and Adam Matt ratings are you draft grade. You know. I think it'd be directed right next to each other I think they're great as players are right at each other very important to their careers so I think they're bolt right about top ten level receiver to out and level quarterback. They couldn't be more people and there seems there will get rid of them for the sabres their bots can't support that article cost about fourteen million dollars a year open market. The differences seem to need a quarterback really bat like they do are steeper so treating branding coach about and are there are some sort of an anecdote reader. And drafting Malcolm Butler had a sprinkler. Makes perfect sense all the other stuff. Is is sort of knit picking about should be to set the scurry or swap out records from Malcolm Boller that's fair squat when you consider to meet. Who concur with that Mikey validate my thoughts here in in comes down to. Basically. If he is if not a mother's coming to new world on a visit. The saints are to have an exploratory. I've done some exploration as to that I know that the CBA says that if they sign knuckleballer to offer she. Five days to match for new England and could they were at the surrender their highest. Taken in around one if they don't match it. But what you don't eat the saints are gonna make at risk and bring him in without the understanding that the patriots would settle for something other than the eleventh it they would be will know. Work out compensation for him you agree. Like players in there I mean. In period spot that they those exploratory talks patriots then they've found out that there are after the eleventh but yet. I just topic that case that changing a very steep price to paper. Considering your also probably to sign him to a contract or fourteen billion dollars a year so I agree. The fact that it is reached that age and below. Are patriots. Each other two weeks. I can imagine that they're comparable with what being a tree tops cherished price is going to be. And they're willing to pay it out about Butler and see if they agreed to a contract with him which is obviously. I had a Mike Triplett ESPN NFL nation reporter covering the New Orleans Saints and I'm a slew of messages and questions on Twitter. Over the last the day day and a half this sums it up 1 from I am coldly nine minutes ago. Says why aren't the saints going to trade for him after he signs the tender rather than have him. Come here the same sentiment free agency. And Andy workout ops competition like why that happened the other way I guess to answer questions in the question and getting get assigned disaster to create Greg but I guess that's why. He's now required to sign that they needed to it'll be at bleachers trying to send it now. That's already is available this you know remote place of one your street million dollar deal escalate for a five year seventy million dollar deal on the patriots aren't giving it to think like give it to so. That's why this straight is gonna happen but yet I mean the guy who was available. I don't want your three million dollar deal patriots keep. Everybody wanted to attack but he won't sign a long term deal that 200 why. He's available so. It's let's say we won't give you that long term deal. And and you know and ordered you know unfortunately he's not under strict to treat it would be a lot easier. So tutor stick to preaching Elsa you regret that the patriot. Well explained micros shifts focus here saints free agency they bring back the bars the debt today everything else they're looking at here late stages mid late stage have free agency that. It's hard to imagine they're gonna make another slap shot though about about Libya. We to create a splash. I'm sure they're in assigned to retrieve more guys you know this this is probably about the time. Actually at the current LU Prodi last year when they brought it like Craig Robertson neat stupor. He. Yeah so you know more moves urgent it happened. It's very rare and at that stage in the game. Again you know it that's why it started a spot Lagos a year or more. And capture and not done. I'm sure they can at a couple more pieces. Other recent a couple of other guys here you org sterling Moore bulls still out there are two guys should be a priority for the re sign. You know those in the high levels of freeagent got superior to bring back or act from the stage. Mike. And help me how I guess help me understand too. The decision to bring back today he think that says a sign that he's going to be young on the roster for sure you see there be competing in markets Murphy. You'll be on the roster are sure at all. You know today had a better chance of our deepest playing time. I can imagine that the can debt deal very close to Petra. And among deals go east. Tee is exactly what you want to be trying to make. Up he can do. A variety of beacon can't stand that it brownie to return kick up their emergency quarterback. So he's kind of guy like that roster but he certainly could beat beat out. It doesn't preclude them from. Coptic Christian interpreter Alvin Coker or somebody like that in the third round. Could potentially be out there to det that against illegal. Perfect insurance policy to cut the versatile. Might actually had a better question the writers over the microphone and a in the state my month might be the person that's why you got that's about it and you're undergoing all right good I wanna like yeah about. Do you. Grade Regina. Mike Triplett Mike Triplett onto an ESP and it's only reporter covering the New Orleans say it's always a pleasure and talk to you'll see a probably drastic for sure. I'm gonna say yeah. I a slip through police phone calls Iran mental subbing you're on W him well. Got to stop. Do know MySpace. It. Marquise hill critical of the GQ. But you can't buy it so acute that cracked. In the yeah roughly. Does and about eight million dollars next year yeah. Okay and week. Our guys here are easily all Portugal people like and I'll. Let. LB of one year to be a multi year deal at least three not four saudis we are yet it's an idea that these are all the whole gist of this he doesn't wanna. His market right now when you're watching AJ boo EA. And you watch Stephon Gilmore affects fourteen and sixteen mean dollars annually if you're Malcolm bother you on that sign and I restricted free agent tender for three million dollars when I know there's a market out there. That would pay anymore. Like. A lot how. She Petri. Got the GQ fingerprint although I'll. Or at that cute. Check it out to do it pre cooked. To give it back there. But 32 game in the first ran out there though he the you know. Due to enter it. I. Do odd. Ball we pursue. Yep you got your two weeks' worth. Of value out of rain coats I think the production. Oh good. Yep got it forgot about it is but he should act I'd act. Yeah so. May ultimately I don't know that app in the silly get a pick if you fuels nominee likes to I mean if this was that like we're jamming mat rat like you always want to win the trade and when it big but sometimes you just have to settle. For the even deal and I'm coming around to saying that 32 for Butler would be kind of an even deal and in the end what happens here you do move up twelve spots in the mid round at the gates keep that third round pick so I guess. An awful and isn't just ask yourself if you're wondering is Malcolm Butler worth the 32 overall pick that ends up being what. With the saint pace form a site from the long term extension are the long term contract they signed into. I think they drafted that contract as they drafted that class again now can be bought there will be a top fifteen selection. Yes well let's just put it this way do you think that the State's 100%. Are going to hit on somebody of Malcolm Butler static the caliber at pick 32 on I just don't think you can answer with a yes I would agree Jim and Hannah what's up and you're on W that allowed him. Questions you have photos and read on the Internet not smoke bomb on board said that the state of Louisiana. Are making we're almost five years seventy million dollar deal. See who helped trans fat off the budget of the state or try to we teach. The state bought it herself and it is that trophy. Mark my. My arm just got a little pain in it to your bulletin and I'm I'm looking at it I'm the guy and is it state news click the. Has been updated state is really increase it and. This is okay the what the article that you're looking at and I see the one you looking at its front neutral ground news which is the local satire parody site. So yeah that's that's definitely parity but that would via. I just wanted to make sure that built the walls meant for. People that I don't go. We've been invaded. Arsenault has been invaded by fake news neutral ground whatever it is that publications has got I'm like their their their fist pumping all yes we get a is people are finding onions yes you I love the onion because sometimes annual comedy might threaten the onion satire. Neutral bad news I got like on America's leaders and good satire Andrea definitely parity an article. Jim be careful the Internet can be a very very very dark. Dark scary place. The tool around in unless you're highly skilled in the understand I make it vital I think it's fun it's Jim here because now like pop up on his FaceBook fearsome player emulator on neutral ground news out got a legitimate media and that's that's Monday's all played about about FaceBook is rumors and the united garbage that people post get posted on if something pops up in. FaceBook or Twitter and your social media now do you do what I do I always DoubleTree. Like unless it's from like CNN or a poster somewhere that I know is going to be legitimate I that it the happy after that I think you bought it yet you're not. Being responsible as a consumer of news unless you do that I mean. If it you like you mentioned it's one of the established. Five to six national media brands and yet you keep you cannot trust that if it's something that I hadn't heard a more. I tell it is is one of these upstart kind of places in Yemen ago. Vet that out. WWL. It. Well you know I couldn't. We're portrait of a morning show warmer and the government that Obama and while we're there and it. Mark Cohen and second round draft pick. And somewhat cold and it you talk show. Anderson or meets him. Yeah but look I get your sand and I actually agree with the premise of this is that this organization develops receivers such. And alarmingly I guess of the original lead alarmingly. Frequent raids that they can afford to give up again cook's album I will push back on a little bit to say. Cooks is just better than all the number two. Three receivers that they've had before so like we we told reporters that replenish reports and stats day last week. That this cooks is not Henderson he's not meet him. Anderson's biggest year was 800 yards and eight touchdowns meeting's biggest year was. 700 yards and nine touchdowns and RD three years into his career cook's clip that twice in. I'm a Kirkland and people. It'll provide a nerve you won't want to put. Well okay. Let's just let's be clear most receivers. It gets confused like TO was a diva Britney cooks by his statements and what's the ball more assistant athletic confidence that he adds. That I don't find anything wrong with and ran animosity yeah having the most of the play makers what makes them play makers and what makes them. Great is that they want the ball they know that they can they play I have been a hard question for you answer maybe we kindred researches during the break yet. Its name me one big time like hall of fame caliber receiver the last ten years. That wasn't considered to be. You rescission that. Me and find one. Find ones Reggie Wayne. That's one. That's an experimental area I think even if there's one I John and Amy Jay and he's that they some phone call you can jumping out of my question for tonight and arrogance that help break because it's evident that. Jeff states and the eights having had a great conversation go politics line as well as on Twitter accept the lap apparently pelicans are really struggling. At Christian government to order as well double coverage on DaVita to a. Back to WWL and double coverage sports and more. To jump in with Christian spirit and Seth Dunlop. Call 5042601870. Taxed 87870. Fort tweet that Seth Dunlap and act Kristian garic. Now on is different. I mean like hello Christian get together. To head to gain. Asking you sell our seed Ivan Ivan. Hubble here a little bit a little bit I suppose but the responses to my question before the break was named some wide receivers were considered view is the last day it their all in caliber. Rephrase my comment and that. There's many more divas and non dieters on that list but I pushed back a few here and I'll give you legitimate Wally you diligent ones first Larry FitzGerald I think would be the top of that category just nodded Eva Green guy on the field. Doesn't complain and he's morphed into really the number two option there at times. Over the past three or four years. So it was a Marvin Harrison okay is not a dealer he's been accused murder not really going to count him in the nine DB category submissive Calvin Johnson. I think he can't classify as one of the biggest divas ever because he retired. Because. Based out of the number one. Receiver position to use that team. They've got I'm order and as we drive and his endorsements or dragon so Calvin Johnson. Told of the Europe for me saying Hines Ward are you kidding me with Hines Ward did you watch his off field antics Hines Ward in Pittsburgh gimme a break Allen barrels day. Ellis. Yes some people said you said. Reggie Wayne we Aussie dollar FitzGerald there at least to say oh my a my question is. That's taken out and expect me to come up with a is that you know the deal because quick too early you don't Arturo. Me if I'm fellas I'd rather it's that that 65 it's going to newspaper season by playing but it played. Online you have tonight on how it's not that he retired too early to have no problem with guys doing that like my boy Marshawn Lynch drag go out when you can't. On top but he retired he spent half the offseason talk into his coach in as offensive coordinator. And they realize that because he was aging he could no longer be the just go to throw it up there all the time receiver. He got a little upset about that the golden tee another guy's an offense or get more opportunities so you know what account numbers cleats and also his endorsements are drying up reported that. John I apologize not only if it's a clock rule the top of the hour I'm dead and one minute so look you'll lead off the next hour John any meat sit tight. Asked him on Twitter for your best means when you watch in the pelicans right now they're down 113 104. To the Miami Heat also LSU you know tied top of the eighth. Three to three can you know go for the sweep and beat LSU twice in the same season. Also phone lines open a 50426018. Seve coming up next hour our rookie draft profile right here. From two lane. It's a tackle Tim Zell Smart will join us after our first rate Malcolm Butler in town. The saints get a deal done so they. Just basically good morning once in what if you end up with a one for one in essence a one for one trade. Trying to coax from Malcolm Butler if that's what it boils down to would you be OK with that is it's a white semi tech's 8787. Double coverage rolls on here on WWL.