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3/23/17 8:10pm Double Coverage Would you want controversial quarterback Johnny Manziel to play for the Saints?

Mar 24, 2017|

The Saints off-season soap opera continues as New Orleans continues their romance with Patriots cornerback Malcolm Butler and free agent quarterback Johnny Manziel.

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What's New Orleans to Louisiana. What's moral set down labs and in the captain's chair tonight a partner Christine gare. Next to meet him Zimmer here as well we've got a big show for you tonight piggybacking on what deacon deuce you're talking about saints wise and really sweet sixteen wise earlier tonight as well. There are reports that head coach Sean Payton he's incident in Johnny man's now. On a football football is the real interest there's just another smokescreen. By the saints and which you really wanna take a chance on a quarterback with the many off the field issues as man's bill also we said sweet sixteen it is underway. And right now or again. They have just defeated Michigan moments ago 6968. Held on to win that and Inzaghi they have their biggest lead of the basketball game now on West Virginia. 4234. Despite its some some business and get on Twitter from some mutual friends of ought. It is not just on the your defensemen appreciate that yeah our zags stay off far zags if you give it set a hard time about. Inside and look the guns Agassi's me and I was lots of little with a gain at least the first half with set and look oh boy I get into it though she baseball team. But watching you a lot you know taken is that his game is. Interesting to sit out and sets I guess focus its but it's fun for me what makes this a great basketball game right now as was the earlier one. Two of the best defensive teams in the country we've got about fifteen minutes left a sixteen minutes left in the zags West Virginia game we'll keep you updated throughout the night you be analysis of that as well. Plus big story yesterday are coupled Israel talked about it today NBA considering fining teams. Who rests their star players during the regular season this became news is bigger newsman Steve Kerr did it a couple of times earlier this month. Gregg Popovich has been doing this for years so is this regulation they're talking about neither is an overreach by commissioner Adam silver. And if they do implement some kind of fining system. How exactly would they implement this and how would they and force teams not resting their players. Plus we'll talk a little LSU baseball as well as they get ready to Gainsville and take on the fortieth if your bank in what was supposed to be. The biggest series of SEC player one of the Christian by its. With Florida struggles LSU's recent early dominance last couple weeks. Maybe that won't and that being the biggest series a via. No but. Look right now Florida needs this one and we talk about alone the last night we'll get into liberal ideologies Moran and little while our favorite LSU beat writers for for College Baseball I think. One of the authorities put. Man. This was billed early on in say like January and in February at the start of the season and in pre season. As could a potential top five showdown in these two heavyweights are going to be that. The titans in the SEC in Florida struggle coming out of the gate lose in suite gives up last week by Allred and then also going to add extra innings in their mid week contests they're not. Hitting the ball particularly well that was considered to be a strong suit for the gators about baseball team and what they've been three or four straight college World Series appearances. So are not going well for Florida right now but something tells me they're gonna be on their best game this this Friday Saturday and Sunday against LSU they need this series at all. So that's the way out ever show it gobble angering your router for basketball insiders dot com and talk to us about the NBA fining possibly teams resting their players and then you said. James ran. Joining us to cover LSU baseball but we're gonna start off our show even as we keep an eye on the sweet sixteen games. The biggest story probably locally today Christian the saints. Feigning interest maybe or maybe it's real interest in quarterback Johnny men's L there are reports that. Men's Alan Sean Payton had a lunch or dinner together. Earlier. This this calendar year and it kind of picked up steam on Twitter today. And the interest panel looks real and the question or asking fans as would you want the saints to take a quarter bad chance on this quarterback that's actually are pretty jaguar and ample Christian would you want controversial quarterback. Johnny Mandel play for the saints you can log in right now WW dot com and cast your vote yes. No yet look for okay. Parcel of these reports are actors like there is interest they did have a sit down right. But what answers yeah I exactly I mean look I can be adjusted in somebody across the bar I get closer to realize and AM not as it happens you opera and a path so. But look I EU I think it's. I think the saints are doing what. Most good organization should do and that is hey let's check out and make sure that we're not missing something however. I had to my Twitter was blown up today and I get to similar responses but to think that some fans are trying to. Talk me into the idea that this is a good idea for the saint Stephen Green man Zell on the roster is just on believe Mobley. Wrong and absent. Any kind of real understanding of the way this roster shake is so young. You cannot jeopardize. That roster with a potential character risk like Johnny men's Al when you have young players on this team that are going to be looking to veterans to show them how to potentially get back at what else would even seven and nine. Three straight years and this is a playoff team. At us if the saints are coming off the playoffs are deep playoff wanna perhaps a Super Bowl that I could see where you maybe make. A gamble here but from in Zell and the saints I don't see a connection I don't see where it's possible. In a particular Utah robbery and to a city like New Orleans. Intestine if he's truly being rehabilitated. And there's no obligation I got 13 I don't wanna hear that there's an obligation from the saints in the NFL that we should rehab players. That's not what the charge of the National Football League. Or any other team in a RD team in the National Football League and that's not their charges now they're responsible for. And men's L it's an it would be great story I'm pulling for him I want him that that to rehabilitate I think he was fascinating as a college player one of the most dominant and wanna most entertaining. Our players I call that Ali was yet. Guy that in the air that I I've I've watched college football. But man I can't see. Where the saints could truly consider themselves in a position to take a risk like this coming off a three straight 79 campaign. And forget the off the field issues I am a huge defender. Of guys and gals who do some bone headed stuff. In their early twenties and a second chance third chances what we've all done it to most of us and I know I did. And if everything was made public the things that I did in my early toys could be bad news for me as well but I moved past them and gotten you know and more mature with my life and Johnny will as well as he gets sort of looking. At this just from a football perspective. I do not understand I was getting this business on Twitter as well with fans and bring him in bring him in. Just from a football perspective what this guy has done on the field. To warrant a roster spot with the saints here. He's grown. Near I 258 passes in the NFL over two seasons. A 74. Rating sub 60% completion percentage is 57%. Seven touchdowns seven interceptions. His yards per attempt is six point five that would be near the bottom of the league. There is not a single metric. You could point to from Johnny men's Elvis say he's better than Luke McCown or better than somebody they can draft in the first. Yes look I absolutely as far as who's a better back and he got ashes of this had some people on Twitter saying will he be a great backup to Drew Brees and oh by the way Drew Brees who want who take them under his wing of the first up is good news Drew Brees is and is great about individuals these. He's not a sincere he can't just picks Johnny made up and that's not going to be that would be of responsibility anyway but. Yep ask yourself this question if you sit there saying that only be a great backup to Drew Brees and a great understudy okay well and have easier willing to put him as the number two on the depth chart. That means he would be one play away from going and playing in the game. Would you be OK with if it Drew Brees were out for a week or two with Johnny Mann zealot the Helm as you're starting now back. An answer that is emphatically. Hell no. Your season would be a burning dumpster fire. The masks if pat ever takes place let's hope it doesn't get to the saints that for the saints this year and have legit and I think contending aspiration yes and even if he's the third guy. Right why now why don't have this guy's your third. Quarterback who oh by the way they would become two plays away. From entering a ball game it just doesn't make any sense for me and and I think I think a lot of assessing enclosing in this segment. A lot of this interest that we've seen from the saints in quarterbacks I think is legitimate. However though a part of me thinks it's master strategy. In terms of wedeman did on this that's a way to manipulate the draft board to get defensive team given to players to slide to you. Because other teams are gonna say all the saints are really instead of a quarterback let's gulping get. Ours are right we will continue this conversation after the break we wanna get you on the phones right now. At 50426. So 187 he what do you think about Johnny men's cell to the saints in Texas City 7870 hit us up on Twitter on that set Dunlap he's actress in your plus. Right now hop on over to our FaceBook. Page as we are alive chatting Christian and I will. About Johnny man's don't keep an eye on the sweet sixteen is an elegant zag and other biggest lead of that game 4537. On West Virginia back in a minute here on WWL 870. Our really good FaceBook live chat we just completed if you miss that you wanna watch the video just log onto our FaceBook page. Click that video you can watch it my arm comments off the air on Johnny Mann Zell. That situation and the saints this year cute and I am sweet sixteen game as we go along. West Virginia has closed the gap to 54540. And zag leads West Virginia midway through the second half. Just got to pick up off our FaceBook chat Christian. A lot of people but it looks like. It's interesting the audiences are different now I've I've noticed this the last couple weeks our FaceBook audience for some reason very anti Mendes Neil Twitter audience very romance though we got to deal lot of unknown though nose with a minute men they'll talk to Alan basement lab. And a few expletive news you and you know bin Barnes on Twitter is just compare that the two between these two. Says you know. It's everyone's job to save a life if you had the opportunity to do that sad that today. Today's society. Thinks otherwise. It's not again let me be clear saving someone's life is not the saints responsibility nor is it the NFL the seats sole charge is to field a competitive and winning football team. And produce a good product for their fan base that pays a lot of money to see them not to save somebody's life if they can do it in the process I guess it's okay. But in this case they can't justify where I would say OK yeah I could see where you could take on a project. Like Johnny man's own like I said on my FaceBook on the FaceBook to live chat. It takes one you have a young impressionable roster. And I'm not saying this is not just me as Jews as guys that played this game if you have one guy and out locker room that. The 52 other guys don't trust. To be there and it's gonna mess what their money and could depend potentially corrupt young players young good players from how to. Conduct themselves in the NFL it's too big a risk to take for this team. Some text coming in from 0686. Saying it Tim Tebow would be better. Then Johnny Mann Zell however this 464 it says yes diamond Zell is must watch TV. From 095 days many are so doubtful in critical someone who has stepped on the wrong side of life it's pathetic. Someone needs to shake and clean out your wander out. And let's see what falls out people change and besides that that boy John amends up and still play only needs is the right mentors system now here's what limit Omega jump in here. I think you miss everything I said I'd take I think this text or miss everything I said last segment or just tuned in and or just disregard what I said. I am for and I'm the biggest proponent of giving people who make. Mistakes in the early twenties. A second chance in a past there I I truly truly am Johnny man's L the person this is not about Johnny men's L the person apps. All I I can care less about what he did in Las Vegas or what he did on his Twitter account what he does not feel this is true. I am just looking out from a football perspective and I don't know what he has shown you in 250 passes. In eight starts and the team ball games that he's gotten into that shows you he can you be a competent. NFL quarterback at least eight a better option of what they have on the roster right now with Luke McCown. And even your Grayson or if they draft somebody in the first rounds dat. Is the angle than I'm looking at a person. Solid and I agree with your take on as one of the line I disagree with the texture vehemently because. Okay yeah. You know what guess what word not the ones trying to get a job in the National Football League potentially be running a team and and be the face of a franchise like diamonds l.'s Seth and I. Our our two radio knuckle heads and have admitted. Missed that fall steps in our lives and you elect. We're not didn't potentially paid millions of dollars to do so were we don't have the responsibility that that. A quarterback and a National Football League a franchise could potentially have to that's where a lot of this is coming front. Do I think that he deserves a second shot yes well clearly I am fine with that. But hear me through. I don't think the right opportunity should it here in New Orleans for him the rehabilitate his NFL career a seal our callers sync on in our phone lines are open right now 504260. 18750426. So one point seven he still plenty of time for you to hop on here was second with Lee. In saint rose Lee what's up. Go on. That. Oh. No doubt. Christian who want. Oh. Are. The problem. This really. Well reports were true I'm. So. Jerry crow oh. And video. Player or. A quarterback. Yeah yeah but. My. It. Site they're that bright from. Where chart. Champ. You know lead actor Lee you on that men don't. So. Where can you program again there are brand go. A national out. All cheer a lot of things didn't. Get a salt and our question. So the question you were a question. Yeah. I think it luckily I think it's it's a great point that's great call kind of echoed. Arson Kristen you have a look I can't accurately and now I think it was EU worth and a I'm happy that he pointed out before we did that the saints made a concerted effort. The the last couple offseason to rid themselves of any kind of locker room issues and that's another reason why you cannot. Re in a potential. Character issue to your locker room totally via as. The hot topic still time for you to jump on the phones got a couple of lines open Bible for 2601878. He can't get to the phones with text. 8787. You'll read those after the CBS news update. Seth and Christian back talk and Johnny men's over the saints possibly rumors linking the two to get together today. Rumors were reports were the Sean Payton had a mule with Johnny man's bill earlier this season I guess that's where all of this started. And probably I guess who started this today it was Ian Rapoport Christian on Twitter and champion probably not too happy. I don't know that that's necessarily the case a mile in rap fort gets a lot of flack is occasionally admit that he's missed from time to time on a saints Nazis report but. He's factually here he's on the money here they did have wanted it to have dinner dated have a sit down so. Whenever it as a matter what I what I want to really talk about I want you on is what Timmy tools at our first rate which is. As a low risk high reward. Deal if you bring enjoyment Zell hot. It's not high risk it's an extremely high risk because like I've laid out. They had they would run the risk of them potentially of Johnny men's L one misstep. And then you have all these distractions that every camera down here. As can Sean Payton oh man did this he was on Berber shooter he did this he's he's back to drink again and then now Sean Payton has to answer those questions about a backup quarterback. That ultimately means nothing in the future plans or the car roster it doesn't makes it why would you put yourself even a position to do that and oh by the way that's why it's a high risk the saints don't want that. There's a team that has gone to great lengths to prevent distractions. And is bringing in a distraction. Hey if the saints won hard knocks to come on down here I guess maybe they should they decide on them because you probably would have all the seats and a cameras all over your training camp. Us objects coming candidate 7875509. Says all or nothing Johnny boy these cell. And he signing now one from 987. Mardi Gras is the worst time of year for money man sell a person to properly possibly still reeling from rehab is going to be party hard. And doing on veterans stuff that's kind of that's that's true I mean that's this city one of the city to death. But it certainly has. Devices that you've got to stay away from its failure data recovery for Sean Payton doesn't wanna be Haskins. Consistently in training camp and through the regular season hey how's John and and Douglas staying out of trouble if you progress on appeals he picked him up are you fix them oh by the way he's got. A potential for six game. Suspension awaiting his return to the National Football League. Inzaghi leading by four isn't it island sweet sixteen game 47 to forty over West Virginia let's check in with Chris in mantle's it's your calls now wants to talk. Some saint Chris. Of course I was up like. Does something it's not about. I've. Got to count them out and America. Is. Watching what. On what was blocked due to its. Guess what that's what they're really. Okay. That's his question. Look. It's grossly. Yeah that would it is too and it got a kick. I. Well. Which would which player you talk a guy that we we just talked about what. We don't have homes used a six foot two guy goma. In the draft you talking about FL player currently street. That's. Not. It. Let me welcome why why not it. About it a moment ago. Well I'm an epic inquired about it. Eastern. What. You know. Aman you all over the board Christmas Eve we see diary directing a little bit IC said tell me it's not treat among the interest in my home snow it's true and you know I am fine. I'm totally fine with the saints go what does it cost in terms of unite use or want your visits for your pre draft visits. Eagle on it to Lubbock Texas or any other campus and privately working out a player whether he's on offense or defense like ever fine you can do that doesn't mean they're gonna draft the player. They dress they drafted Brandon cooks and made it work him out one time they melodramatic com mine and that was it and oh by the way. Going back to that now that I'm on that so that they raved about how when they met him at the com by branding coach Mickey Loomis a job they were like Alia we knew right away. We got a draft his kid and then couple years later they trade anyway. I ask senator Ganassi I said before I'll say it again this just be careful this time a year teams are trying to throw the dog off the set. You are on a roll my men who have mr. fired up today a soccer Canada ocean springs let's talk about Johnny football camp. I Christian are really the right there occur if you're in ma. Then back nearly as discouraging for the internal challenge right ration book are. In my mine pro. Probably with government don't think college he would not our our our quarterback they're cute so what security plan. It would they have quarterback. Oh leads to a more and our sector chart here in the back field Robert are right now create a play instead of following the late call. That's not our beat Somalia that would really hurt our strong pretty. Why would even be considered as stand it really are media if he truly truly via. Itself can and troubled like I think. They're eventually going to have to take a chance on another quarterback here to replace Drew Brees bit. I think this is not this quarterback the wanna take that chance let me let me just pleased squat some fears year what's the word he's now like Tammy. You used before set to help me what you get to game this that would of that when we try to squash appeared. Eyes aside so. We hear a Sean Payton talk about what he looks for in a quarterback. Does Johnny and ends I'll remind you have a CE oh no he does not so. The year ago. Drew Brees looks legacy OE. Acts and conducts himself like a CEO. The saints are not touch means now I completely agree would break we're coming back more of your calls couple attacks coming in some good ones were gonna read after the break is a hot topic today. Johnny Mann Zell possibly to the saints. Question mark question mark. We're talking about it with you coming back next here on WWO 870 am and 1053 of them. So I ought to say it's Johnny man's outlook update on the sweet sixteen game West Virginia press Virginia they've come back to tie it up against our zag. 4949. About to take believe they have the free Terrell and the get one more. Six minutes to play in that game zags all sorts felt trouble there Fisher miss earlier today it seems announced they re signed. Darryl Tapp the defensive end to a one year deal really low risk move there and their front seven right now accretion. Pretty similar going to be its last year depending on who they draft and that's a good thing or bad thing right now that's where stance. Adele tablets go deep that's really said in that training camp below delta as a veteran guy came in late last year in training camp those late edition. To the saints training camp roster Natalie played pretty well in a rotational basis. He's ago locker room guy let's make no mistake about this now as you mentioned. It was it's one of these depth moves rotational player. But they're gonna drafts in my deposition ultimately compete for his roster spot. Allen could come down to the other the last cut in September were dealt that may end up not being on the. Ross indeed and they officially re signed a sterling Moore as well and Allen was announced last week let's get back to your calls phone lines open right now. Final 4260. 187. You'll talk to mark and Carol and wants to take a break from the man's they'll talk talk romance I say OL to mark. Yeah I'll let you know to thank all Koppel thanks. Are too well what happened last year it was. Kaka eat torn ACL. On his good days is that right. It's well he's. He said three ACL injuries in his we are obviously and and and this is like science one O'Neal got too late I I had any injuries on the same like I'm not exactly sure if it's the left and the right to score on but he said. Thirty seal so he's there is no there was no real quote unquote. Good need both of them have been repaired. Right well that that's the point I'm making is that. I like the guy but he came to us he was injured and we had a lot of well formed and it got hurt somewhat. Why am I saw a loved one deployed widgets and that's the issue of equipment out to eat out. TO is that he's comments from a torn Achilles and I think that. And we won in fort depth in the position but I also think that you real risks because that is really top engineer to come back. No I as much as it habits I was gonna say I I agree with that and the reason I think it's an interesting move here was because they give a two year deal. They gave Mets I tale a two year deal and we all thought it was going to be one year for the veteran minimum so not quite as low risk and so as a would be good. It really is if you look at the Contra yeah I don't numbers I hear it yeah it's 600000 dollars guarantee. The rest is all hate you gonna try to earn this and it's. It did the players taken a bigger risk here than the team is I'm fine with that the contract. That could potentially amount to five million dollars form anti tale over the course of two years because guess what if he achieves at five million dollars. Oh by the way he has crossed a rehab coming back from me from an Achilles injury and he's playing quite well which means that he's contributing to his potential wins for the saints so. I'm file with the tail signing now that I've seen the numbers. Tex coming in from 0958. Says Johnny can settler from Drew Brees c'mon man give the brother chance. Also the face right now just like punch me and also from 0686. Says we're giving coach Payton. A good laugh right now I'd be defeated answers listened to us threat that were probably got them. On our on our dial every night hoping viewers though that was both on me. From 9887. Love KG's reaction to Seth comedy and zag game. Well I'm nervous Matt is tied now we've got 445. Laughs 5252. Press Virginia to have a three point lead their moments ago a new day has come back the time he noticed how like much on unshaken got to keep moving here you're very fits my. We you know you guys have come a lot about double coverage is becoming Aaron out and set quite frankly is kind of happen. He's after the conversation and have much it would I've done I'm OK if I don't play not as I hate. I'm a man of honesty and integrity and Communists say you're right now I'm humble and and pay attention. Amid this man's outside by the Mossad in in my zags in the plan for the sweet sixteen life let's talk a little more saints here with uptown ruler was up. The Mets. Put an acute Greg. That would. That would truck here. So that again as well and said that and it's just. Between Clinton and and it's. It. Was picked the Quebec was alcoholic and the well. A house. He is the quarterbacks coach now for the Dallas Cowboys him. So you have discipline and a check if you. Want to know. Do you know much. He's got a chance to get there. Opsound ruler up download. Kamal limitless offerman. You're you're you're pretty Smart educated football fan and so to say the saints don't have anything to lose that sense. And I he's got a bit yet. The saints have eight Toronto a ton to lose they've been seven and 93 straight seasons. It's all on line form this year it. House cleaning its comic. And I roll the dice and have some sort of failed experiment that didn't need to take. Place. No not now and if it ever let's just safer or arguments sake that they do sign and he's back going. If it ever comes a point where he's starting for this team are getting meaningful snaps. Season is over anyways it is an absolute wreck this is a team that should have. NFC the NFC title game aspirations are probably going to be my bar for them getting to that point this year. I think that's big Billie built a roster here if they can make dispute this Malcolm Butler deal done. And dropped low I think that's kind of where they arrow is pointing they're gonna compete with Seattle Green Bay. Atlanta for a spot an Italian I think I went before best we constructed rosters right now in the NFC obviously that's not our best constructed rosters. Humble see I agree with you this is this is a points and we've given Sean Payton Drew Brees and if you missed a lot of leeway because of what they've done with this franchise since Katrina. And the success they've had a long term even though the last three years haven't inevitably if they go south this year. Interest in this rat is going to be a lot of house cleaning. And 987. On the Tex lines I was wondering why is set pulling for the zags okay that's a question for those viewed. Don't know me quite well enough yet I'm from. Little Spokane Washington on the east side of Washington State's organ that is so I was raised there are so long before I went to Washington State University came down here. Housing Gonzaga basketball fan he back win. And even started their tournament run so yeah I'm a huge. Huge zags fan since. Because we have college basketball Saturday. That's on a couple of days you're gonna hear game two of LSU Florida. The baseball series on our sister station hot 1037 FM and thirteen 50 AM mass Saturday game first pitch is 2 o'clock Sunday's game. Will be here on WW because it's early pregame 1130. And first pitch at high noon 46. Four to 48 says Johnny football is much watched TV I will pay to watch Johnny the ball for 648. If you're instead of throwing money away. Just give it to me I I'll take it that's fine and I community perhaps more than Johnny man's delicate. You're thinking about diamonds now at Texas eight and a college Stacy yes he was sensational. And a blast to watch them. Any NFL what's he done. Nada not much exacts retake the lead 5452. With three and a half minutes we'll keep an eye on that plus. Continue this conversation on Johnny men's and the saints phone lines open got a couple of them open. Collison now Bible for 260187. It would get to those calls next here on WWO eight sodium 1053 FM and WWL dot com. Davis tie. It up again looks like it'll be West Virginia all their own baseline 5454. On the nervous wreck Christian. I'm no math I feel for you are at outlook comfort you in some way. But I have other really kind of tied it is is is it's as you are in in a game and rightfully so it's a fantastic game. I'm fascinated by the text messages here there were getting in in on Twitter as well the pro oh Maine oh camp is blowing. My mind. Yeah blood the romance though camp is pretty much on. We talked about this before. Our Twitter is very pro man Zell the FaceBook comments we got a lot of text we got. Kind of anti men so let's get one more call in here for the top of the hour on men's they'll talk to Brian in Metairie Brian. Thank good evening and I think that things way overblown. Just because they talk that not leave more. Now struggling athlete. I'm more specifically quarterbacks. Why wouldn't he would seek out so pretty he resurrected football on the plate that terrible per year than resurrected through Korea. Honoring a human being alert alert lonely little. Drew Brees is career didn't need to be resurrected yet and he also rendering law but that's it that's an entirely different. Perspective. And at the regal as he hoped that did the surgery to that's all that jumping and do that now he may Drew Brees better as a quarterback but. Breezes career was established when he was sandy let's be clear about that this is not in a close demands. Got anything else ran. Nobody. Don't have. That's at Ryan Bryant's gone. I Brian at enemies alike. Jump all over all those and so apparently. We have Christian lyrics nemesis. On the line. Here 963. And I are gonna hear from him next hour ever in candle on as well. Hot topic here have some phone lines open for you can call 504260187. Or target Johnny man's cell. We're also going to be talking a little later in the show big NBA news over the last couple days is that it's the league office and commissioner Adam silver is talking about potentially finding teams rest their star players this came about with Steve current course Gregg Popovich is an April while resting their guys in big prime time games on television talk about that. Your thoughts about we'll continue this hot man's island saint stocks in the next hour panel in on how this can jagr West Virginia game plays out.