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Chick Foret, former Federal Prosecutor and Channel 4 Legal Analyst, US Attorney Jim Letten, and Special Agent in Charge of the FBI’s New Orleans Division David W. Welker

Dec 9, 2010|

Chick Foret, former Federal Prosecutor and Channel 4 Legal Analyst, US Attorney Jim Letten, and Special Agent in Charge of the FBI’s New Orleans Division David W. Welker, join Bob Mitchell after a federal jury reached a mixed verdict in the trial of five former or current NOPD officers. A federal ...

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And welcome to the show we're given you the results of these Glover trial tonight from discussing it give you trashed Conan to some information that may be. You need to know and just control overall opinion or you're satisfied with the verdict. Our -- Germany pretty jaguar opinion poll WWL dot com it's a really about a 5050 right now and that the studio was just filled. With a high profile important people. Tonight including trick for a eight. Former federal process. Last on this list did and I thank you today NN election but special agent jars they Welker in the United States that are right in line and bottom line number one for left thrown out on line has to bring you in first look very bad day is that figuratively speaking let the right. Didn't. David not. They would -- the man who shot Glover was found guilty of a civil rights violation dual use of excessive force. That resulted in the death of -- Warren also found guilty abuse of a firearm to commit a crime of violence on the jury decided the result was manslaughter publisher Greg but -- if found guilty of civil rights violation. For the burning of lover's body after the fact. All the trials McKay was found guilty of perjury in the coverup officers Sherman and tell Leo we're not trying when one I've found guilty. And I'm gonna ask US attorney general and the let go over each one of these chargers and let us know when the sentencing comes how many years and they approximately get. Will it build the in terms of all the Warren charges he could receive for count one which is a different deprivation of civil rights and by use of excessive force resulting in the death of Henry Glover up to life imprisonment. And Corsican received fifteen years. On the on the second count which is the firearms violation. Resulting from the manslaughter. That fifteen years though must run consecutive -- in addition to. Any other any other offenses of which of course would be the count one. The McCabe. Is is charged with obstruction. Which is up to twenty years false statements five years false statements to a grand jury or perjury rancher that's notify could receive up to. Up to a total of thirty years imprisonment total. And and McCray could receive. Up to a total fifty years for the for his for these violations of civil rights violations obstruction of course. And the use of fire I might add though that remember now in the in the case. Thought in the case of most of these. These are statutory maximum it's and -- as as chick will tell you resident and day to that. -- anything under statutory max homeless is a minimum mandatory. The court can apply and the court then the judge judge Africa. Who's extremely thorough. Into himself is an experienced trial attorney before taken the bench several years ago. At an -- and a magistrate for many years. He will have the task of going through pre sentence investigative reports. Are dissecting the case. And determine. Which sentencing guidelines to apply in remembering now -- in the last couple years sentencing guidelines are not mandatory so the judge ultimately has an enormous amount of discretion. So to be honest with you. It is it would be I don't think anyone at this point could say. -- any certainty whatsoever -- should say with any certainty or predict. Precisely what these individuals will receive the cubs are percentage he couldn't he could exceed the guidelines if you wanna you -- the guidelines but never the statutory -- -- Well as a relates to Jim do you see any possibility any consecutive sentences as we had one last week well first of all you know the consecutive you will you'll likely see consecutive sentence because of the law. In in in the Warren instant the you know other than Warren. It's really hard to say the court has the power to to to apply sentences that are concurrent which all run together and overlap or consecutive. The one thing out that I think has contributed to my longevity in this Shia. And staying out of trouble is trying to predict -- what judges are gonna do or box demand because. They they've they appropriately wield that power and -- you don't really need to comment but I would say there were folks that was somewhat surprised that the consecutive sentence that was imposed last week. You know bill and that that was a judge Vance right quadrant Sarah Vance who is tremendous judge in is the chief judge and end and that district. Palm I think obviously took into consideration remember the nature of the offense. Whether these offenses bot world unto themselves whether these offenses. Call war offenses that that that that that were purely -- through fences overlap one another or whether or not they. Demanded by the very nature of them but whether it's where there's chronological. Conduct whatever. -- consecutive sentences. And you know judge Vance. Is is again extremely thorough extremely knowledgeable very experienced and and and carefully consider that sentence before and I think it's interesting to note you may now wanna comment that that was a co defendant Danzig a case was enough it was so I try to stay away from any pending cases -- much attempt -- that was that was a defendant a cooperating defendant. In the desert case but still a couple phone calls we'll go to. Alien called in is that from Holden Louisiana you Colin -- I expect sorry I really really I'm caught from all the act out of audit elevate and as I'm not are not Harry are red we're red I don't want -- not. So are you satisfied with the verdict. I'm back I'm an -- I feel like that they -- -- walk or are part of the act act on it a lot better idea Barack Obama year old -- I don't have a light area very everybody else has. I like. The police -- -- that all it is not the situation and and it. -- -- People make this happen. I would probably they'll try for current spot. Actually act and I -- they oh I'm doing wrong. Or not. So you think you'd think they'd burn the body to cover up the evidence -- that to say and. -- -- They are -- any I don't know why do you put our body ready other rape and other important. Well and an -- out -- the jury could validate that by finding. As a matter of their verdict in in finding -- guilty of count six. That he did in fact obstruct a federal investigation. By destroying evidence and so in in burning the and burning them that the vehicle with the body so. That has been a really adjudicated and so there is there is it's a matter of longevity and answer the question how to how do you think the jury differentiated chairman from a cracked. You know I never. And one thing I don't ever do is I don't ever try to. Should -- I think analyzer second guess why a jury does what they do what they do. You know you and I both been trial attorneys for very very very as preparing to launch. All airline will end up you know we've tried probably collectively hundreds of cases. And you know this was a great jury the they made their decision you know that are based upon what they believed. The facts and the evidence indicated. You can't second set and the jury did -- obviously by. That warrants on his life was before -- know I mean that the dispute that the the one of the defenses was that that his shooting was justified. And we put on powerful evidence. That indicated including his partner the testimony his partner minute. -- channel and that the -- was a little sketchy. I've I disagree I think she was a very good very strong witness and I think she does she was up sheet. -- -- -- can't argue that the case again here but I can tell you that clearly I think the government's evidence was very powerful injury. The jury validated that by. Determining by their finding in of these two counts of guilty regard to warn that in fact his shooting was not just about to say this your expert was better than his expert that's for sure. I wouldn't take a break we'll come back with more your phone calls to secure one late 7866889. -- somebody were talking about these. Glover trial and we're asking you whether -- from New Orleans -- the great New Orleans area are around the country. Three guilty to innocent what do you think of the verdict. I'm Bob Mitchell coming right back in WWL AMF lemon dot com and we are discussing the verdict in the clever trial. Three guilty to innocent. Do you think justice was served tonight let's go to Kevin in Alexandria Kevin what do you think of the verdicts. -- -- I think it should have been murdered by a -- certified. That what mr. Levin says for there's. But want to tie that they could although no life could give right why they're actually have to let no one of the common -- Along that you all sanction -- the ball because that was part Carlos -- glad we're -- And are you pretty bad look quite black leadership was big target prosecuted -- all. And I'll bet he put my mind that these he's going off for justice for all people. All -- to continue to do that. You know this injustice or it's. And thank you for serving the community. Thank you sir you're very kind I appreciate that you know and I think Dave Welker sitting next to me years the FB IS EC and we'll tell you you know there was. There was a lot of I think. Misconceptions. Out there for awhile I was in some -- that was actually put out there by by individuals who I think probably. Felt that they were at the standing at the point of our spear who were involved in public corruption you were alleging that. We we had a an agenda and we didn't and if you look at our public corruption cases that we've done. Whether it's saint John the Baptist parish or whether it's whether it's saint Tammany parish Jefferson Parish. Whether it's -- in -- that that are. You know we have we have waded into our case is corruption cases any case is whatsoever. With and we've been completely colorblind we've been blind to two political affiliation we simply follow evidence reverend takes -- And I think all we really care about the into the -- achieving justice -- making this a better place for all our citizens of protecting. Our most vulnerable Dave. And that's right and most of our cases it is. You know the in some that where the accusations have been that. The bulk of the individuals or African American in fact. In a couple 50% of those were. Were where white. Corrupt pol. I even even the city even missed the case it a couple of years ago that that Jan man who was a lead prosecutor on the City Hall case that yielded the convictions of happy Bahrain and in other individuals few and or arising out of the the city contract -- Johnson Controls a kickback case. There were there I believe there were sixteen individuals convicted in the case half of those were -- Caucasian businessman. Bomb and but that information. I think the reality that. Was not always evident two to folks out there -- so I had the opportunity and on WB OK and and and here and other places I think when. When put to the test and ask those questions to make that information available I think we're. We're always happy to have a transparency because our of the work we do will stand the test any test gym and -- a lot of people in the street so is -- me why does a federal investigation take so long. Well some of them don't. -- let you know well I'll tell you why because I think we. We are thorough. We have we utilized the appropriate number of resources to to cover every lead to follow the leads as wherever they go and some of them. Go to you know we follow leads overseas and it takes time to communicate in. And you know we we gather our evidence we assess whether we needed conduct more leads we assessed whether you need to conduct additional interviews. And we wanna ensure that that to you on the investigation is fair. It covers it covers everything we need to its follows the evidence where it goes. And where where as thorough as we can -- And I I have to echo that remain first of on the one hand I think chick you know that's. A lot of our case is whether some of our drug cases or RR RR. Street violence cases are are occasionally carjackings. Are are arrested indicted. Brought -- in record time even some are fraud case is a case against Rosen Holloman the two FEMA officials are trying to -- Louisiana businessman. That FBI and DH SIG jumped on right after Katrina. These guys that crime was reported. Are they were they were apprehended and arrested. -- within thirty days of the report during the investigation there were indicted within thirty days after that they pled guilty about thirty days after that there were in jail thirty days after that which is pretty gut that this case it's cold and historical case. This case took a long time because prosecutors. Federal agents FBI agents prosecutors had to literally for years after the fact had to go back and reconstruct. All these complex events talk and hundreds of witnesses. And as Dave said it's important were thorough because when we present a federal case it's good let's go to mark in Baton -- have a question about the case. Mark you're on WWL. Go ahead with the question. This area development. Our goal. Post amid a global -- couldn't it would take -- whole. -- in an area. And maybe you know maybe over the group called -- the world rather superior. And report the incident that's -- probably eight. When he had to go for it you know but good about it of course Bedanova and number the call. And one why couldn't he come so called Olympics are gonna shut the thing about fuel demand. Well I think -- your question is a good when the Mets from one of the reasons why this case. Actually went the way it did this case came about this became a criminal offense. And in a lot of ways because the testimony indicated that. That that that David Warren. When he shot mr. Glover personal shot -- completely without justification. As mr. Glover were turning around to run. -- and realizing that those circumstances that that that he had been shot someone improperly he did not stop. He did not try to help them he did not try to was system in fact it was his partner. Who insisted on calling ranked. But in reporting the shooting he maintained he admits this individual but well shortly there after the mr. Glover was picked up by mr. tanner who was a good samaritan. And then of course the rest is history. But. This certainly in NM -- and a better world where though within individual. Wouldn't with an officer who first -- what he would not have been shot an officer who would acted according to the rules of engagement had acted with just have -- and unjustified way. You were not a shot mr. Glover certainly at all Jim do you know why it would his motivation was for shooting no motive is not as our prosecutors told the jury you know motives. Are not the are not. Plot elements of the offense but it was it was evident. That an it was that testimony was put on and our our attorneys argued I think appropriately and compellingly. That mr. Warren. Was you know he was he was he was determined that day he got his favorite assault rifle out. He went out there in the field he had already fired a warning shot from a hundred yards away. At some. Person just some person who was riding a bike. And around the block which was completely inappropriate completely wrong he was determined to put some lead down range. And he then after having done that then he fired wrongfully in improperly. -- mister Glover. It was unjustified he violated civil rights who was clearly excessive force days. No I think you've already Jim that's -- is exactly right note if you put yourself in that position then. You ask yourself you know what kind of person would just take help someone. I think Jim is it is accurate I think. The the evidence showed that that -- him -- shooting at another person not not even near him. You know a hundred yards away shooting shooting Adam. And and then Jim said he did it seem to get something down range. Clearly the guy is mr. Glover was close enough that he could see that he actually hit on. And it's especially with the type of rightfully had to type scope and his experience. All right to 601878668890. Late seventies those -- -- trying to get in we finally have a couple of lines open we gonna go to Mike. In New Orleans how are you might. Going good banks -- demand. I think god. For our problem. The situation that went down tonight I'm in now with the verdict and -- and now and most of ball a bomb bomb about really think. Louisiana could change with. Man like -- Jim Leavitt that's fair and -- to experiment. I mean something's. Is huge here and he's not scared he's not he's. You know it's not pushed. Actually it's not it's wall went -- -- wrong. It's wrong and now it's got critiqued every every part in the launch to be solved to do that to an order -- are -- -- -- and then also there are. They've restored it tank integrity of that. Police department because it's definitely. Really really you know no no trust at all and -- but balked again my prayers go out to them -- Stanley also -- Punishment spam because nobody don't win and and all -- -- at all because. America is watching -- and went to war which killed at Louisiana. Different we are we are changing we we can't change and down. Thank you so much forgive me that opportunity. And thank you at all that the leverage our thinking. Thank you sir -- I appreciate your kind words for so let me say this I'm sitting next to. You know one of the great. Professional law -- professionals -- ever work with Dave Welker. And his folks his special agents are second to none I mean just absolutely fearless wonderful. Tom Perez assistant attorney general in charge of the civil rights division. And his people here you know Jared Fishman no lead prosecutor down your civil rights division. And other folks were down here for civil rights -- with our USA's their agents. There's so many good people out there including the great men and women of NO PD did do work are under tough circumstances and are the badge. IE I appreciate the of the voter confidence but Alitalia. Their other people who really deserve that credit I just happen to be. Out out front here is the US attorney and it's an honor for me to work with them that said I think the fact that you. So articulate -- You know recognize that we are changing Louisiana is really changing we're changing the reality we're changing the image we're no longer a haven for corruption. We will not be a haven for individuals who who were public servants who who violate the constitutional laws and take advantage of our citizens. It's it's -- it's an important day to be in Louisiana and and it's it's a tough battle but it's worth fighting days. And and I do appreciate your call I appreciate your observation about the trust factor but as Jim and I both pointed out that. You know that there are some actually hard working wonderful women men and women an and a PD your out there right now. You know 10:30 in the evening working their shift. And and -- come to work every day. Looking uphold the constitution look and uphold the laws of the land. And and I think those people. Really deserves the respect of the of the public can. And in -- deserve your respect. Because they're out there every day and you know -- that this team of investigators prosecutors. Just actually too harshly. -- this let me ask you guys this question there what when you look at this on a national basis in the national media starts to look at everything. Will they be able to look at the two officers who were found innocent Sherman and -- telly on though. And see that there was not sufficient evidence there to convict them what will they be able to look at that it's safe to go up and that and not say to got a wife. I don't. You know I -- I don't think any of us. Can. Predict. Or should predict what conclusions are gonna be about why. A jury found two individuals not guilty. Arm you know and and it's not my job to do that as I said we we respect that jury's verdict respect the work they did. But -- usually -- had a case against him but you know the crew is -- what we we were we we're brief war and are convinced that we righteously brought those charges but that jury spoken they were the ultimate judges. Palm you know I don't think. In fact. This state and the progress we make is going to be judged. Or raided or graded on. You know whether or not. You know every one in a particular case is convict -- whether that's a gang case or drug case short. You know or whatever I think what is gonna make the difference and is making a difference and is is is really I think advancing. The cause for a loss in our reforms collectively here. Is the fact that these cases are being brought they're seeing the light of day. That we have that the a lot of people out there have the courage in the passion and the commitment. To go out. And make sure that the the citizens here in the world understand. That we will hold our people. Our our citizens and especially our public servants accountable for their transgressions. The big picture is what's changing and that's what I think everyone will see and I think as I said tonight earlier. This is a positive it's certainly -- From a national perspective GM in Dave Bob don't you think that it all goes back to leadership we had talked earlier both right before we all came in. I'm a big Mitchell plan drew fan I think he's absolutely the right got to be mayor there's no question Jim lands a right got to be US attorney. -- be special agent charged Leon has -- arrow. To be district attorney -- parish of Orleans and Ronald -- past to be cheaper place I think that the leadership. The Drew Brees is of the team are in place to take this to a special place don't. Older -- I agree I do I think every one you mentioned has. That their -- focuses on the improvement of the city on the improvement of the region. And and I think it's happening I agree with Jim and I agree with you -- as far as leadership goes and leadership and it and it flows downhill. You know if you are serious about ethics if you are serious about. About how your agency and and that people who work for you. Function then then it will flow from you down and I think now with with -- in place. And and his his his efforts for reform his mission for reform. It being cognizant of the issues ahead of you know I I I see. A great improvement both in the city NM PV. Let me go to -- Gregg who has a question and I think a lot of people bloom. Or interest and in Gregg to head with your question. Confusion here -- actually -- -- this plutonium -- the -- who would need to go to manifold they went on -- called welcome. Califano what is the manifold rule lovely. Husband who came away from employers does. Question there was why was a verdict change to manslaughter -- wasn't changed his job manslaughter. The court determine an appropriately that. Manslaughter is and normally is a responsive -- responsive bird it's a lesser included verdict. Two murders so where is murder. Is it is the most serious form of taking of another life. The manslaughter. Is is still a crime but it is determined to be generally. With though with the heat of passion or or or for the immediate circumstances so it's a lesser. Is. In -- it is very commonly it is appropriate that a new law -- known as he responsive for. Well I have put the point is when money restored my vote came up when the judge. You've been instructed the -- is when it struck the American consumer and. Right right and he did and that that was appropriate law we believe that what that's the normal way it happens actually the defense team. Made the decision they asked the judge did they -- waive that right and the judge declined that it did not allow them to waive that. Okay no they're very brand but I and I got to go Bob -- got to go through Katrina was a revised bill you can Katrina. Do you know they have to politically in this street -- guilt or put him out with the war. Two days later there's people don't want him. SourceForge. In everybody do the same thing. And hopefully result boot you you would like to think and all of that that the person who called a piece -- daughter. Would you -- troubled school hopefully -- You hit the nail on the head sir you're right on the money. -- Greg appreciate your calling. We will take more your phone calls with -- to break and coming right back com. Bob -- in the -- 870 WW and let's point -- why should that already -- call and they asked annex has always -- -- he's got to leave we're in now all right okay. Coming right back -- WW. Are gonna get going to -- are welcome back to the show we ought to thank US attorney Jim Latin. And special agent in charge of the FBI Dave welcome always do the known FBI guy. Yet that was as they say that was that was pretty impressive to have the -- -- a big night like tonight in the special agent in charge that was. Yet those are good big get for you there about pay your big get. From the -- on not. And of course -- for a a former federal prosecutor channel for legal analyst and I've known him for several years and a man I thank you so much for being with because. I'd be lost without you tonight this is fun all right let's let's take some more phone calls review of Travis. In Baton Rouge -- Travis thank you for calling WW well tonight Travis what do you think about the verdict you're happy with that. -- I'd -- are -- here and I didn't hear you it's okay. -- out of don't know much about it -- you know how a group of resolute out of out there's -- appears. Didn't Napoli and black coat. There that you -- this year in order. The chute until Lugar whenever that bird that you know it was okay and it. If she did she misspoke but you know it seemed like it seems like people have said then. I'm sure she would say now that she never said that but but but but a. Doubt -- so that are made you know -- and you know. Although people ever built policemen. -- -- But you know they're able to cooperate in the military you know it to do a lot of buddies you know that they're -- -- -- -- -- Bo -- -- or you know. Well you know if you get better you like you got the record as spears Britney Spears who -- they're not what happened here. Well that was our defense's position in this case in the jury did not -- -- But you know through Rollins they'll like Mike -- -- A may have outlived. There'll -- ordered doctors shouldn't. Well I'm not sure -- -- ever proven that he was out looting was it his friend brandy Williams clearly was looting and he was gonna pick up the items for. And there's a question whether or not he knew that those were items that have been looted. Yeah but what but what Gloria up orders you know it. Yeah I'm not I'm not the candidate who -- but you know obviously OR and hopefully people put their positions. Whether the government split decision. And you know he -- out there that position but you know. Bill I'll just regular about you know orgies -- you know -- ever orbit -- you're you know stupid or what was so loose group that did you know. Probably is here you know because little -- had the problem. Well -- wish -- let woody woody because I'm sure he would tea that would be an unconstitutional. War. And as far as him of the -- how far away 66 feet is what was testify to. It's -- launch Indiana assault rifle with a scope. The bill you know you know it's not going to -- favorite. You know. If Michael and bill does not order a policeman. -- know. Revived debate yourself over distant Dubai this scrap this bill all the -- among black people Bob barrel little but there's no way up you know. Are you -- in the that you are you saying that you don't think justice was done are you saying that you think all these people should of just live in a -- chargers have been brought against them. Not as clear an area I'm I'm the player you know you know all that do want dialogue. No I'm not here volume -- people you know you're you're just -- you know flat great Obama back you know go there's our portfolio and you know it's not -- they'll -- there. And where is any multi slapping nanny bully on the -- the -- got me confused there. We're talking about the trial we're talking about that. Now we're yeah we're nationally we're asking you know whereas I knew -- -- we're asking you of justice has been served. -- so I don't know all right. Okay appreciate your call we gonna go to August calling from Donaldson -- August what what is your take on this or you're satisfied with the verdict. Well Bob. You may I didn't hear you well you know what are I think what do you mentioned. -- connected with Jim and Britain's response to your quite been what that he didn't think that this verdict has. Sitting there it didn't take it to the data needed to the world. Businesses. That this this -- that was that. But justice would be served in the state of Louisiana. Had initially the world that they will not tolerate. Criminal activity by. Police so anybody else. There is another advantage that. This case also sent them. And then all of a lot of people. And there's a can be seem he'll call the night with a lot of people who think. That dissipated that the message says. Our you know I'll probably black person can be shot back he quite policeman. And -- murder is not in the call. I don't know if given that we originally charged the man with murder. We can't manslaughter would be responsive very -- -- -- -- response -- -- and accelerated pace that versatility is what actually. -- -- -- -- All in order to bog is think count two of the indictment. It says -- is death involves circumstances constituting murder. Okay but what he charged with murder that yeah has stated yeah okay. Now forbidden manslaughter would be responsive verdict this game is. How diligently do you seek to whom -- market targeted the well today. But the Mets since they'll talk about being sent is this. Although what this country recently informed its fiscal year that the couple. Young football player in New Yorker recently. Coming from a party white policeman cute black man in the latest example of bird tell it. -- -- -- In this country. Criminal justice. Who's backed it is meted out fairly and equality at least somewhere. And -- all -- -- admitted into the net for the pistons being that from white policeman to be -- With murder the common thread that runs between through all these crimes quality. Had -- instead that come about between black person and then white policeman is that they always reaching -- And current spread that has been reaching -- apple calls. Now it's reaching for itself full of talk about something else retreated to their way. And and the policeman was. Being threatened that if -- if life was in danger. All the penalty is if you get up to life. But I'm talking about justice to political murder it's murder. And not only in this crowd has been convicted recently of murder with these kind of cute and and the question is. Is it -- of this is that is being that other than the one vacuum that. Pointed out in August that message is being included across this country and a lot of people feel like -- feel. A lot of these images. Images it's let me just kind of break down what you said a moment ago you said. That the white police officer needed to be charged with murder as and I'm gonna agree with you so much fuss and -- Okay well I don't I don't know what choice do real well but but haven't got a position. Just. And let me take you through this -- couple questions -- your position is that you David Warren was -- person who killed Henry Glover. You wanna him charged with murder did you not. I think until intelligent smart yet and in a nasty to you account to of the indictment he was charged and look good. Jim Latin prosecute this did involve murder yes he did yes -- any Crittenton and he couldn't meet the murder but he that the burden from manslaughter the jury found the wrist guilty were responsive verdict. Don't and I understand that so that we have to the jury that would be up to the prosecutor. Another question you've asked people not to do that here is a good. What I'm saying is that in all of these situations. We never get a white policeman. -- is. Guilty of murder it the guy who shot this guy. Who thought he would -- this paper out and shot the guy in the back in San Francisco recently wanted to put I think he. And I think this speaks that's all across this country. Wendell white policeman is involved issued a black man. That is the message that I think need to be addressed not. Locally here because different local -- is just adding to the fabrics -- all the entire quilt. -- all of these national occurred. Thank you all blog is I'll say this to you when he got 50000 watts yes you just set on 50000 why it's August so we I think -- you said very eloquently. But I would have some lines open if you wanna talk about these -- trial verdict 2601878668890878. Three guilty. Do not guilty I'm Bob Mitchell coming right back WW well let's go to Brian in Metairie Brian you're on WWL the trick for a go ahead. Yes sir thank if you read quit manslaughter and there -- not believe that that is exactly what it is that you with a passion. Either the moment I'm just. A little aggravated with the race card being played with every white police also think that if it's on a black -- have figured there was a white mayor reaching for something. Anywhere down in. Be a police officer anything could be threatened and if yes someone show me and. Trick well I mean that I hear which is Sam run -- That's. David Warren. Stated his defense in the jury didn't buy it and you know we've had a lot of conversation about race tonight and I I just. You know I don't see as much of race implications. In the in the guilt or innocence in this case certainly ray says a lot implications and in every situation but. I just. Understand what -- -- saying and certainly have an opinion and and and you stated very well. And -- our project I mean I just every time anything comes up what -- the black criminal everything it's. A white police -- -- our they're black male white result Serb Bardner. I think there's more white police also -- police also in the state I mean -- I just think that's the way it is and everybody wants to make big -- white police -- -- white male overcome but. Of course whenever it comes out it's always a big deal. All right Brian we appreciate your call in okay our third. -- gonna have to leave he's going to be -- not channel 4 what -- 6 o'clock tomorrow morning yeah. You know an airline fleet ballistic Jason Little Rock -- -- And got a while don't have JC got about one minute. They just take my thought -- I disliked it just imagine you know the well -- and I think justice as the Serb. I don't know if Bridgeport getting hung up over. It's -- whether it's manslaughter barter agreements. You know the -- -- -- indeed better audio jail Bob to the previous caller called back -- admit it. There's been terrible flight. I guess you apparently criminals who could be double that that would shield. And the sheriff's office. Jason here's Jason here's Logan dobbs I've got to go it is I'll hold you over and now remark. Bring your right back okay we're gonna continue talking about I'm gonna check out of his okay within our right. I'm gonna check out -- what do it again all right gotta go come back right after the news of your phone calls to WW well thank.