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Madeline Albright & David Rittgers

May 18, 2011|

The Think Tank is open and Garland talks to former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright who discusses her art show and Afghanistan and Legal Analyst for the CATO Institue and former U.S. Special Forces Officer in Afghanistan David Rittgers asking him if after the killing of Osama Bin Laden staying in Afghanistan is necessary.

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Sports leader. JJ seventy WW. WWL. And have them at 1053. Show to climb inside Garland thing. More to 60187. Do you. Or 66889. -- seventy. This Garland. Crescent City is the thrilled and honored to have both former secretary of state Madeleine Albright -- And choosing to hunt for a rather than usual reason it's called you actually a book that's called -- my -- stories from. A diplomat's jewel box and also New Orleans museum of -- the end madame secretary thank you for joining us. I'm great to be radio and also get -- have the opportunity back and fabulous New Orleans again. I'm more we're glad to have to needless to say tell me about what's happening in New Orleans museum of -- may 24 August fourteen. Everything that's happening I think do a lot of wonderful people who have been a part of -- including your wife. I am. Bringing my exhibit of my pin the book. That you record Garrett Reid and I didn't. Is really based on my real opinions that are part of a collection have been traveling around. The United States and they tell integrated -- and the -- themselves tell a lot of where are wonderful -- policy stories and kind of explain. How they were part of my career and how much fun I had collecting opinions. That's that's a ball when I first took a look at the book wasn't aware of the back story on. And I thought that's why children nice collection of terms and good -- noses -- recruiters -- She not to many of the powerful and famous people in the world but each and every pinafore and should -- we carried a message and -- did not. -- -- and I have to say none of this would have happened if it hadn't been for out of the paint. Because I got started out as ambassador the United Nations and believe that President Clinton and it was right after the gulf war and what happened was that the -- have been translated in this series of sanctions resolutions. I had to make sure stayed in place and now my instructions were. -- perfectly terrible things about Saddam Hussein all the time which he deserves he had invaded Kuwait. And finally a poem appeared in the papers in Baghdad they compared -- in many things but among them an unparalleled serpent. And I happened to make -- -- -- wore -- -- we talked about Iraq and on the Internet in the press and worry wearing that pin and I did because they compare me to an unparalleled serpent and I know what that is armed I went out and I bought a bunch of pins that I hoped would reflect what we were gonna do -- Good days flowers and butterflies bad days a lot of intact and if people can't what are we doing I would just say read my -- and that's how it started and I love foreign policy but I want people to. Find it interesting so I think -- to make foreign policy less foreign. And kind of a spoonful of sugar with some form policy. And then eventually incorrectly -- pins were not just from my Tiffany is there's everything from -- flea market -- Absolutely and most of it costume jewelry. You know and I had fun kind of collecting and buried sometimes they get the Canon souvenirs that people tell you know after some event. Eternal night pins but mostly they are really can't do generate. My favorite and most interesting opinions actually is how I and the book and then this is not a mystery story I can tell what it is. -- that I got in New Orleans when I went down to three years after that -- -- Katrina and I have gone to the a and the dinner after woods and what happened was then all of a sudden the young man's. Came up to me and said my father is sitting over there he is. And veteran. And my -- and mother loved Q and you open this box and there it is amazing. Pin in there with 2 -- -- -- which I think probably represent the purple hearts the father had gotten. And he said my mother. Wanted. And I used to have -- it was a present for their sixtieth wedding anniversary. Eric would admire. And if she died as a result of Katrina and I that I can't possibly can that this didn't need that you must do it and so. I have it it's my Katrina pin what are my total favorites and it's so belongs in the exhibit in New Orleans. Amazing story if you don't mind let me -- and I go back to past business for just one question we've only got a couple minutes left. Afghanistan and we're gonna have representative of a couple of think tank on this hour. Talking about should we -- leads faster should we hear keep the same -- -- what are your thoughts on Afghanistan at this point in time. First of all it's obviously very difficult question we went in there after 9/11. Very much I agreed with the President Bush did. And we kind of lost our way a little bit by diverting attention to Iraq and President Obama has spent a lot of time analyzing all of this I think that. We should my personal opinion is and I think. We need to come out -- systematically. Staying away some of the plans that the president laid out Secretary Gates spoke about coming up by the end of 2014. And at the same time we have -- trained. The Afghan. Military and police forces to take care of their own country and we are not there to nation build at that I think that we need to make sure that al-Qaeda has gone. That. There is not a resurgence of the worst part of the telethon. And I think our forces have done an amazing job and that they need to come out in a systematic way so that the Afghans can run their own country. With the kind of training that we've been able to give them and will be able to give them even more -- the next couple of years. Madam secretary back to the book read my consumers from a diplomat's jewel box Monday. Are you going to be at that press reviewed -- preview. Well I'm looking forward to that I'm going to be around and and be at this show and and spend time. -- -- of the wonderful people of New Orleans. Madam secretary we're thrilled -- here in order in the usual reason to be here and we'll definitely be in the audience for -- -- the time and the visit. Well I hope everything's okay with the water's coming this time again I hope that everything's all right there because New Orleans doesn't need. More issues than I would just like to be there for a happy occasions. Well we can just keep the locus away your I think we're going to be okay all right let foreign thank you so much doubt you're not. Snatched up by former secretary of state Madeleine Albright to -- bush coming right back and we do -- aren't talking about half of Afghanistan because in the 1135. Hour -- latter half hour we're going to be going to rave reviews in the group a think -- gives -- What we're doing and why should we stay there are illegal longer. This is governor bill biggest celebrity a -- -- through them Garland -- we call this thing. It's Garland Robinette stink tank on WWL AM FM and dot com C news talk and sports leader 504260187. The 4866889. -- seventy. O'Reilly. Bring up something we're gonna bring up in we're gonna -- in the 12 o'clock government have Elliott stonecipher first. I mean John Kennedy and a number of good things we're gonna talk about on the economic side. But put his horse is boring -- its own board trumpeting his Treasury Secretary Timothy garden Geithner. It is. Talking about the prospect of federal government default. I think most of your bread or heard of what's on television the big battle between the Republicans in the Democrats Republicans when it comes to raising the ceiling. Our our -- debt and words enabling us. To use more debt to increase -- -- that I gonna do it endlessly get big cuts in government programs -- And the Democrats say they're -- -- do that sort of thing of these leads us of those foreign. Looks like it sends a book there's a growing debate. As to whether or not. Not increasing. The debt. Is a problem now Geithner again Chris Richard treasurer. Treasury Secretary. -- sentenced today. If Republicans trying to improve their plan on this country as a condition for raising the debt limit. And they will own the responsibility. Of the person -- in our history. -- devastating. Damage to the nation. The funnel middle reality. Is that we won't need to generate more revenue. When we do reduce the rate of growth in spending on healthcare and retirement security. Both are necessary. Not a girl alone can carry the full burden. Government is I think it's sort of hear it over fourteen. Trillion is a debt ceiling but Geithner claimed that. Through machinations that. Or abuse to his parents -- the government can keep from paying its bills to at least August 2. So what was thought -- is being. These dire emergency right now gets pushed back to August 2. If you believe there is a dire emergency. And Geithner was a new -- view adaptation of a book called too big to field. About all the machinations that almost brought this country down. One Wall Street melted down in 2008. It is forgotten says -- it's gonna come again. There will be another storm. You -- in certain we will experience another catastrophe. It's of the financial system -- easy for a -- concentrated. Then in Europe embellish and thus not too big to play. Valued do you take all of that in your room this -- Warren Buffett. The leader Berkshire Hathaway in the mayor and -- the extraordinary. Record over the last 3040 years. -- being able to turn watched. The US economy is gonna do and profiting by. He says hogwash. To the United States is not going to have a debt crisis. As long as we keep fishing net debt. In our own currency. The only thing we have to worry about is putting -- inflation. You -- there's little chips. That the US will experience agreed -- dealt -- meltdown. Lessor and bring your failures so and so -- president John Kennedy. I don't understand how having printing press and being able to print more money. Absolves us from debt crisis in particular in the long run. And there were a number of people with a little bit of an education. That agreement and here's Harvard University. Expert. He's written exclusively. On debt and he suggests a book called Buffett's highly simplistic view. Both producers must know this is nonsense. Britain this complete monetary sovereignty. And in 1970s senior IMF had to be called him that's -- and -- for monetary fund. If that's good news on the -- -- bad news. We're also going to be talking name the next half hour about Afghanistan. And items from callers. To secure 170 you know Godwin and rich you know Gulfport rich ultimate. I. Afghanistan. Just keep a few ports around the nation with Bob 5000 troops apiece -- people present you know. That bell flown down and. I hear everybody talking about that I I cannot imagine. -- that gigantic country where it's crunch people most of which don't -- -- With the drug created. With the Taliban in. Let's just say they became nonviolent. Their rules for living. Like being in prison. And that's one of the things that I can -- -- -- against. When the Taliban was in and in control I just don't see the benefits of staying and I don't see the benefits of leaving anybody behind that this -- done. Oh yeah you're probably right like -- Iraq was such a big match. The hard thing you don't do going to blow up their water and power structures in the first -- now. Doing -- good month to remember all the -- well we're going into Iraq to steal loyal. Have you noticed there were the only country that's not. I think they've got lake cemetery there were eleven different countries that -- Put on dudes or oil leases. And we were not among Indians and the amount of treatment -- a -- checked a couple of months ago that was it. And ironically you know and Afghanistan and -- to read or heard about it but there are gigantic. Deposits of golden copper in particular. -- China already has a mega corporation in there. Making plans to. Benefit from those reserves. And as far as I know and poors and been able to determine. We're not there it feels like we've become the world's. Morality. And democratic. Institution. Police. And not I don't know what we benefit from you look at Egypt today they're supposedly going democratic. Well when you look closely from the Muslim Brotherhood. To these young people in the Egypt. They can't stand this -- and where is Mubarak. At least -- the detour into agreement -- them based on the economy more than anything else now you've got young people that. Don't have anything to do with the newsroom is drew more threatened than ever before it's I just. Doesn't look bright enough to understand -- -- -- -- -- Well I heard the word trouble on orbit charm on public radio when he says it's impossible to win in Afghanistan. Well you should know how to cook out and there and one of the story is good that we did not appreciate your call very much. If you. The bill when normally get to it is Google Foreign Policy Magazine. Would you get that web site Google -- By a thousand cuts. And you pull up a story. From al-Qaeda is very sophisticated web site. And basically the photographs that you see you from the second floor balcony notebook -- -- error reports showing the security Aaron the -- The back splash. Machines. He increased TSA in the long long lines of people wanted to get him. And basically need the al-Qaeda recounts. The way they tried to blow open fingers through UPS -- on and on terror is UPS corporate carrier aircraft. Home. Over the you know ocean on the way to do the United States I think -- And what they had used to blow it up was there. A Dell printer. Some batteries to cell phones -- runner packaging. And cost of transportation. And they said the whole thing called smooth little 7000 dollars and we rejoiced. When we detected them. Disconnected them and quote we kept them from doing it. What they left about his would put in a billion dollars. Of security. Slow down our economy and everything else only one attempt. With a little less than 8000 dollars by a couple of and to me when you when you look at that it's the death by a thousand cuts the Gorbachev. Is talking about. Because al-Qaeda in that same article will say they did not defeat to. The Soviet Union. With the rockets and then -- armed attacks. These usually that. Little bitty cuts of confrontations. Of that kind of warfare. To -- them economically. And everybody takes a look at the cost of shots to. Afghanistan of Johnston rock forget Korea forget. A Bosnian. Of project -- new police agree or all over the -- the world. I think we're suffering the same cuts. But of the death let a thousand cuts and we will have a legal analyst from Cato Institute in the excel -- Delaware along the world there are a little. If you like to get in on the conversation already have covered calls. 260170. Toll free anywhere in the country it's 66 -- didn't know and 08 Celtics who votes. The station it keeps you connected 24/7. 365. The news talk and sports leader. 871053. W -- WL dot com. We're talking about. Afghanistan. And -- -- -- we've talked to a locked in the past months. But and hasn't been the longest but I think -- -- a -- -- legal analyst for Cato Institute also former US special offers so forces officer in Afghanistan. Served several -- David welcome back. All got to have a and talked openly about her religious views on Afghanistan when I know we've talked about this a lot. To me do the killing of and learn and help me hear American senior moment. I'm -- laden yes Osama bin Laden I knew something difficult. The killing given to me even gives us more reason to leave. What what are your thoughts at this site. I think that the killing of bin Laden illustrates. The disconnect between the counterterrorism mission. And he counterinsurgency mission we have in Afghanistan and the counterterrorism mission. Is equally justifiable expenditure of the very limited amount of blood and treasure that it consumes. And it NN news is inseparable discoverable from that he ramp up we've had in Afghanistan. And I have yet to see anyone make a credible case that putting 30000 troops into Afghanistan. In the last a year and a half or so. A lot of them Marines. Have to find Belmont province have contributed any significant way to the operation -- take out the blog. General Petraeus urged him and -- revealed that they -- he says that they're starting to make progress. And I heard an interview on sixty minutes over the we can -- Bill Gates were reserved finally were starting to make progress this would be the exact wrong time. To sort of -- now. Well and I think that you know dependent we talk about progress in and what's going on the ground it. Progress towards what and what our goal and how long are we willing to stay there at the level that we have now to achieve that goal. If if the goal list -- provided the Afghan government some breathing room. Q to sustain itself. In the longer term I think we've done that if the goal is Q. To create. Yeah eight. Central Asian. Version of America. Worried plastered over all of the the deep massive differences between the the difference to our religion and and tribal affiliations Afghanistan and I think that that's gonna keep it there forever. That one question right there you've been over they're human and special forces you're an expert with funeral instituting longer lunch. When you say what -- getting. Well what we're trying to do you know what what you -- what's the response. -- and and you ask and I think that the you know. If somebody that agrees that we should continues -- there. The other end and they make the case that that they would have to create to. Big government that you know that it it white so -- under governed spaces. In Afghanistan I think that that they be. Just an unattainable. Goal. And in fact that we look at the yum. Involving American troops and they corn -- value this with the same valley that. That was the subject of the book and movie -- strap -- we had the most dangerous place in the world first sometime. And after a couple years of being there in -- hundred American casualties. We pulled out hoping that the Taliban and al-Qaeda would come back again. But when they did after we left our response is simply to bomb training -- we killed fourteen. Al-Qaeda. Affiliated trainers of of some significance. You know that's success story in terms of efficient use of blood and treasure without -- Keeping it there is constabulary for the Third World -- for. Perpetuity so I think. You know the gold that people want to achieve and turn -- -- terrorism we can do with a smaller footprint than we are right now. More religious I -- drawn let us weekly Republican broke loose and took and so would be gone when you're obviously wrong. The very effective. Bin Laden being killed shows that we need to be there and because we flew those helicopters out of the big east. In Afghanistan. And my response was. When you look at Wikipedia leaks you realize a lot of things are being done behind the scenes with the approval. Of the concrete that you're supposedly violating their Sovereign States. They know about it they agreed to it. With the stipulation of the boom we get to come out so you really bad guy -- once is breaks out into the open and we know we've got. I don't know this mercenaries on -- groups special Porsche officers and an. Combatants like Kuhn in Yemen in Somalia. With the enemy and several other countries why can't we do this scene in Afghanistan if it's so important that we don't want. I'm billion of them due to. Affect Pakistan and etc. what can we do with insurgents. Well it and I think that you may get a good point with our freedom of action in Afghanistan and you were to draw down to smaller footprint in Afghanistan no one's claiming that we wouldn't have. The ability Q to put some helicopters there. And some special forces guys and I think that in Afghanistan started out as a special forces war and and will. Wind down curious special forces war. And this -- that we do that the -- Having you know having a smaller footprint isn't gonna remove our freedom of action there and in fact. We'll have more freedom of action there have been we will then you would have had. -- -- at a location you've just discussed Yemen Pakistan. And Somalia. You know other place the Philippines frankly. And you'll have more freedom of action in Afghanistan and we had those places and we've been successful in those places I think largely because we haven't overextended ourselves. And so I improved aside from atomic capabilities. Hunger is the way the world is going when it comes to fighting mores in the insurgent war around there then. The conventional war that we're still fighting. It is an end this is really you know this is nothing new I mean there have been insurgents and and you know and sort of -- of bye -- cloak and dagger for -- longer had worst. It's just. You know these people large scale conflict between -- were an anomaly I think. In terms of a scale and you know the the worst the future going to be a lot like the worst passed around a lot of small wars and you know shadow wars but that's really nothing -- -- -- And one of the things -- I keep wondering about is how we. Understand. That there's as civilians what's going on now and I'm here Petraeus from when I hear Bill Gates talking about the making little progress in -- years EM game one of real -- stabilizers of pleased. And allow for freedom and hopefully you know a democratic government and then allies in the etc. And don't am I wrong and understanding that there are a couple of trillion tribes. In Afghanistan that have never really got loan. And if that's true how welcome we can possibly. Think we're going to sustain that understand. Stopping Nepal while minimizing your backing it up. But bridges anybody explained you always sustain that if I'm right about all the tribes. You'd bring up the good point there's a significant amount of differences between that the the Afghans themselves and part of that. The reason that the government has its credibility problem. Is that -- constitution is written largely at the pastor of of the United States and other members of the international community. With a lack of any vertical federalism. Within -- so the national government I mostly Hamid Karzai can reach down into an individual district. And to name a new district chief for reporting new judges. And the fact that -- that the national government can dictate these. Significant. Roles so local government that wouldn't be seen as legitimately in the United States we wouldn't. And first situation where President Obama reaches down and -- point via the local city Alderman that would be seen as illegitimate. I don't know why we expect Afghans or or any other country. For that matter to see that as a legitimate I know organizing method. Or government and and so in a very real sense. One of the things that were intentional with it in conflict with Afghanistan. Is this structure of government that we've created. I'm David brokers welcome back to the show always a pleasure to have -- -- always learn something. Thank you so much for talking much. All right thank you. Are the directors legal analyst for people who institute also former US special forces officer in the -- -- says served several tourists -- in -- come right back to call what do you think about Afghanistan -- 260. 17203. Nationwide 866890. In Germany -- there was some come -- The think tank with Garland Robinette fund WWL AM FM and dot com the news talk and sports leader. 504260187. The 4668890. Wait seven do you have good. A couple of hours in the big -- we've been talking about floating goods solar. Obviously very big threat to areas south who was June particularly those in the your child lenders and and we talked about Afghanistan let's go to oil Leonard Leonard bureau and I appreciate trolling on soul. So all I've followed -- who walked out of the very least. They're the great thing for weapons industry it's we have here -- manufacture and their implementations. We're. You can extrapolate. Public expenditure to the private. Wealth generation. Private industry is unlike other weapon industry or. They infrastructure building in the industry and only going to award noxious stuff down and -- that backed up. We're doing a lot. In great job -- that company. Yeah -- bureau that's. I think that's a valid point and I haven't seen statistics on I have and I'm rid. And definitive. Reporters -- -- -- but remember Eisenhower are warned against the industrial military complex. Right you don't make a whole lot of money but it's not a very good -- sustain an economy or short term it's certainly has benefits but not over the long term and bottom line is when you're looking at fourteen point three. Trillion dollar deficit. Meant we're gonna do a show in the next hour on this. We can afford wars is so simple regardless. Of how well private industry in the military and social complexes go. I agree with you completely understanding of plant -- Now then I think human make very good point those involved and to. In the production. And transactions. Of war. Certainly benefit I actually do -- with the weapons builders to transportation people everybody involved and not let the troops not the victims. But certainly I think you raise very good point and I appreciate your old York and I appreciated the call. -- -- In the next hour we're gonna get into deep debt ceiling thing are -- open a bureau pretty opinion poll as you do you think raising the debt ceiling is a good idea or bad idea. 76%. Up. Think it's a bad -- Tim Geithner on. The treasury says we're gonna we're gonna hold it over the heads of the Republicans if they don't get the slowing down by August 2. -- and run out of money. Boom we've got some very interesting. Contradictions Warren Buffett. Came out and virtually certain hogwash that's not true and other interests and they were gonna talk about. State legislature. Lone goal -- -- talked to John Kennedy and Elliott stonecipher about this. Democrats. If and we're reading this correctly. Have come up and sued the governor jungle all right you wanna cut. It's in attempting billion dollars in reduced state revenues. Over five years. But comes in the senate. And the house and you know the measure to make it fifteen billion. Flatt fifteen billion over the next five years and them. Where I read you do a. Are believed. Or did I really -- basically. What they're trying to do is approval pressure on the governor Sarah all right. You want tax breaks for a industry. And tax breaks for business. About. We cut some taxes for the people. And big chunks -- that come obviously government. And the it and number of leaders was the government. They're screaming bloody murder. Just get very interesting would try to get details in the next hour savor this -- rather than we call -- the think tank this is governor of the earth. According heard governor. Including -- and hold 76%. Of you think that raising the debt ceiling of this country. It's a bad. Idea. Of some very in pursuing. Points you make on that subject in the coming hour. Tim gardeners say is if we don't brazen -- out August 2 of this year. But of the country's good name -- -- Warren Buffett. Came out so that's that's hogwash and your reasons why we'll have really soon so I've grown our political analysts were always good to animal limbo state treasurer John secretary -- -- and senator. John. Treasury. John Kennedy. Thank you book the brain is scrambled today. But the bottom line is we'll also talk about Democrats I think I understand this correctly in the legislature. Saying to our Republican governor day. Human to cut his fifteen billion dollars in cuts -- state government people. Not corporations. Not to tax breaks would you want cuts you've got. But to what all this means coming up gonna Robin and review we called the think tank and -- it's settling a -- 53. -- --