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8-5 2pm Donald "Chick" Foret, Jim Letten

Aug 5, 2011|

Spud talks to Attorney Chick Foret about the verdict in the Danziger trial, and they are joined later by US Attorney Jim Letten.

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I'm okay I'll make him an amateur on a Friday. And He stands -- trial it is well let's start over -- have got to go through the this have to go to the sentencing phase the jury has rendered their verdict. They all found guilty of cover ups and civil rights violations but no one was found guilty of intentional murder. Are ready opinion all of that do you agree or disagree with a verdict 72%. A do you agree with that very get on the cast your vote a double to be on a common is a non scientific poll. It's it's certainly reflecting what our readers. What our listeners are thinking. Us 72% of your Green 28%. Disagree coming up and tell -- -- If I mean. Can't say that's what I sound like a jerk. Are you agreeing with the verdict because you just want this past us you can move on because I know there's some people out there that feel that -- in this. It's it's about time a verdict was rendered. And and frankly they're they're agreeing with the verdict because there's finally a verdict to agree with so let me know if you feel that way too that it's about time. This tests this has come to a conclusion we're about to move on but hasn't come to conclusion should foray. A turning out all who's who's joining me in a studio today. No oil of about radios but is that you can go off on ten engines and talk about other things that you don't have time to do on television. And preparation in my research of all these materials. I'd I'd Google -- -- and you know shipment your highway them. That is where the Danziger bridge is -- if it Danziger bridge goes over the industrial canal. At -- mentor OK and down and wrote if you Google shaft mentor. You'll come up in the French language shift -- tour means chief liar. Now to me I just find that. So interest thing that in this case in the Danziger bridge -- shipment to -- people might think I'm crazy for coming up with this. But I just snake if there's shift mentor. Meets chief flyer and goes back to the -- are Indians and that they're a couple of versions as -- came with that. And I just I just think it's certainly ironic guests here are some that we're dealing with the police. With an alleged cover up on shipment to a highway which that shocked by Indians named chief fly so. That's that's an interesting thing to point out that's a philosophical discussion. But I got to I'm I'm I'm paying an audio for another hour is on he's a legal stuff stylus islands is going to and I got a bunch of calls and a bunch of text okay. A one more time explained to me quick -- quick because they got new listeners coming on -- -- one and up a moment ago tomorrow a -- questions of you. -- defense. You think it well they asked. To not have manslaughter put on why is to be why is that not the prerogative of the prosecutors. To charge. These defendants how they see fit. Because they charged with they were charged with murder. And let's do a little history let's look at it let's look at the history the history is and the David Warren case in the -- accused David Warner was the new walls police department officer. Who was accused of found guilty of shooting mr. Glover. His attorney Julien -- Judge Jeffords said He was gonna charge the jury on manslaughter and Julian Morris a judge please don't do that. We don't think the law provides for that the judge did it anyway. The jury came back with manslaughter. In reading mr. Murray's motion for new trial He has taken the position that He thinks the jury would not. Have found David Warren guilty of murder murder because it's a higher burden of proof. So these lawyers some of which were involved in the -- case and I don't know for a fact that they did this but I can almost assure you they did. They made a motion with judge Engelhard and said judge police have no references. To manslaughter where in fact we're all in all -- -- and even murder. Or not -- well on no murder and they found the two defendants are charged when that. Know that they did not commit -- so tactically it was a good move by the defense. Is is this gonna set some kind of president and future criminal cases. That. You know it's it seems to me that I have heard situations where somebody. Went to jail for killing somebody charged him with murder in the jury came back -- well we're gonna find him guilty -- slots remain a court in state court or your final verdict. Token that can do so this what happened in state court when it was originally done. I because they were charging can easily that contracts the response of verdict in state court on the Louisiana law manslaughter yes but this was federal so that -- -- that's okay. All right well I got a bunch calls let's get to the phones may how are you may urine -- Libya. Thank you so much for taking my call and didn't find any we'll tell you -- -- -- pretty emotional subject certainly each month -- photographer documentary photographer in New Orleans and I was here. The first week of and after Katrina arrested everything. Let me just say my condolences to everyone who launched. They're a family member or friend or whatever action. And kudos to an intriguing. I stayed here for this. And I'll tell you. They did what they could they did the best they -- it's far as the verdict and I hope these people little bitty bit but -- -- -- actually get -- stay -- -- -- cover up. OK that's -- Our -- all I want to use bit it was impossible. Impossible. To get any kind of information as to what was going on in this -- it'd be. It startled or whatever. -- There is there were policemen that -- definitely go to jail bit we're you know we're there would be an eight conception -- and this city you know. I want to let the police classic kill my friend number okay it's a policeman do you know if you have to reach. Release that -- -- at camp the cursor radios don't work. And keep saying. Did and then be true that they like a school ground that you get. Don't worry if you kill similar story and they repeat someone else and they repeated to so -- of my. It changed exchanged but that's how we were getting information and New Orleans. I didn't think I would be scared as I was that I don't thought I was going to die because it was such chaos the police. Kids. The best to take good with what they hatch and they were humans and during this stop. I'm killing -- They took this. You know the whole experience true patriots. They apply it to the city and they absolutely. Kick -- to. We colored them all were in trouble we have to stand by them incident every. Crowd. YouTube aren't bad apples the controller. Version. And mountain -- condolences once again to those families could I think He -- -- -- I couldn't listen I get emotional about this so called out. All of this because I know what happened and I dissipate so it. I don't you Ryan yeah I understand is just from -- but you're also have to look at the look how many people there who were imprisoned for murder who basically had. A really good life and did a lot of really good things but they did a really bad thing and it's sent him to jail for. A year -- years of Bremer you know well yeah I'm. I'm telling you the -- -- it it just like they did the previous scholars say it and it was like war you -- scary everybody was confused we were confused. We were so confused. As far as immediate dead when unless you -- but they can't -- and New Orleans. When that's finally itself with -- on it was like tissue it to me it was -- link and to show you what we receive -- It was as if it is that you it was just something that we won the -- America should have it says made we're not prepared for. I think about it think about this and I was eager to send they're the start to think -- that this the mayor in it. I had the condition that He could I think. And then look at what about the nurse the doctor. The only incident over the hospital blocked and we weren't everybody -- -- the -- that it was -- at it was. A hard for all of that so. You know we're gonna call the from each every time -- -- -- we get in trouble and also there's going to be bad and good it every group. Thank you for what you're talking about it god bless every. Thank you are pre I'm days but it's a tragedy on many levels up I sat through this -- for weeks now on the families of the defendants and you know it it it it's hard on everybody you know it was a hard on the victims it's hard on the family families of the defendants. And in this incident has Israel like I did. This is not for kids if this is real life stuff you know Katrina was real life and these are issues that have to be dealt with. And it's rough. Now I got a subway don't go anywhere to six -- 170 I got a couple open lines against Texas tech's. 2670. -- 86 fixated on steroids seven they are told her -- we've talked on this all day. We'll be taking your calls and text and comments all day here's -- -- and until 2 o'clock they're gonna ask you legal questions for you. Until 3 o'clock yesterday morning are having and all right back for more on the sports show get a couple Carlson we -- The number gimme a -- also send me. Send me a text message at 8787 AM I got comments all the way across the board no disaster gives your right to -- an unarmed man. Unarmed person and someone else's He thinks are getting off easy that they're guilty. And had all these victims involved simply evacuated like they were told to or stay on their property like they were supposed to. None of this -- happened and as for the botched cover -- they should have just told the truth and outlined their butts would most likely not be in jail. Yet you know what. -- -- there is no such thing as a mandatory evacuation you can't make me leave my house the only thing He does tell me that you're not gonna come and get me. But you know what that that's that's that's another discussion. Right now let's talk about the it was talk about what's what actually happens collected a Foster forays my guess and studio. Jimmy is driving was -- Jimmy urine WWL. But -- welcome. I'm completely. Against. Conviction that the guy. Even though bomb I did I the only eight. There is no possible way they should have been convicted I don't care that they -- I don't care that they -- to cover up. The only reason why they were even brought to trial because independents or black and again it. -- Despise the police defendants are black yet vascular -- lot of healing around here to six Sony seven is number -- send me a better call when that. Here ago Lee Leopold and orasure Haley how you do on -- end of Libya. I realize I don't today in -- there. If I had a big -- all the rumors on -- whose own -- -- of drained it gives me it barreled guns where are the guns. -- people he'd begun. And the Kabul. India is the bad part about it -- also on the North -- -- all around. As a group for years and covered up -- and this is something that's major had happened and has appeared in the years bit. Well liked and I appeals are all the cameras in the police are so. Big number one in the state look closer look cute chaos there was chaos but they are tiny little Kia disliked it complete -- bigger career a terrible. Terrorist He only include that you have to keep -- let me it. In nineteen told me that they mean it got doom books but can't look no fault only report issued it just -- on -- -- -- take -- so much. -- I. I you know what I appreciate our good -- -- here we're gonna go to him in just a second here by the way Jim mentioned your name on the TV or military a address and mail on June. -- get several text on that there was. I was like -- -- unionized or what do you think about that. Aren't -- areas Jim -- US attorney here Jim thanks for Colin and I really appreciate our thank you to pleasure -- I'm I'm well we're trying to do us sort through it we're trying to like you said in your comments after what went on. Is is this is gonna heal the rift in the police and -- -- in add to the trust of girls police department is this gonna keep us you know. Up and standing in moving to make the city recover that much quicker. It's got to I mean think about it accountability. Whenever you have a city a place. I applaud a society that actually hold this public officials accountable. And protect the people protect its citizens. And and does that within the law within the constitution. That is got to advance the ball. And I think you know the that the citizens have to have to remember. The vast vast majority of those men and women out there and blue art show us tremendous they're wonderful. They're good decent folks. Who really work hard to protect its citizens they work for -- war with restraint. And with within the rules and win when things get bad out here like He did after Katrina. Don't decide they have a -- rather they they go into into high gear under difficult circumstances actually protecting us so I think it's it's it's. Clearly a positive thing and will help the healing process. -- -- check who was in the studio with me. If they had if everything every physical thing that happened on the Danziger bridge. As it came out in court happens but you completely take away the cover up in the conspiracy. Where would we be yet today. It's hard to speculate because you can't separate the two. You know the -- the cover up happened. Began as as Bobby -- Bernstein said it was by the way tremendously prosecutor imitation -- from. Civil rights division and was down here where and and protect Carter tomorrow opposite Cindy Chang from her office and the FBI you know just a tremendous team but He told the jury. You know the college you write -- cover up began instantaneously. The cover up. The same type of mentality that infected these officers who went into a Rampage. On the bridge on restrained shot -- you know about a minute just nonstop. And and really and and really went went went wild on that bridge that's same mentality. Automatically cause them to go to cover up mode so you really can't speculate. We heard talk early on about -- Jackson's -- of Katrina and whether or not they would be able to take advantage. Of the cacophony that happened after the storm and and record company to be to the trial and how how far did it in. How far did it invest itself into this thing and Bobbi Bernstein basically she was able to pretty much keep and -- place. Well you know we we saw. That. Tried in the Glover case you know that the the -- -- days you know was wrong about there. Otherwise you know that the defense. In that was that was. I think clearly -- injected here. Clearly you know I've never bought it the people on him and federal law enforcement never bought it a player -- for the men and women in. In in local law enforcement never bored because they were out here doing what they were supposed to do under harsh conditions -- and clearly the jury did not buy that. You know as as I stood there and said they have oppressed by you know. It would if if if we can't depend on our our first responders but people who boo boom all of the that the men and women of law enforcement. Two to operate. But steadily. -- within the rules within the constitution within the law when things really get difficult out there to try to who can we depend on. You know we sure can't say yeah they hurricanes -- and -- disarmed the police shifting case you know let's say that not -- -- You know we have these these folks are the ones who we depend on to protect the innocent not to get a pass. And end and and and be able hide behind excuses when they decide but things are hairy out there they're hot they're tough. And they prey on the yes and it just doesn't work they'll. -- -- -- to open a can of worms but some of the police disarmed some of the citizens but let's talk about the city itself and your efforts now and then some of the comments you made about. You wanna help the you know PD become the best apartment in the country every time I talk about this people call -- say the police or trained to do this the police are trained to do that. Who's trained to the level of what happened after Katrina. Oh well personable. Ruby who remember this. -- I was there are we fiftieth in and out of the city I was that the emergency police the DOC in Baton Rouge. And saw. Good men and women of NO PD in the field sometimes and tattered clothes after post. With volunteers men and women from from state police. And from other enforcement agencies out there in in blistering horrible heat without enough you know sometimes water and it's Federer and doing their jobs who did it right. First of all in OPD need to you know that the men women event OPD. I think we're just wasn't just about Katrina remember this had more to do with. The rules of engagement and use of deadly force and anything else these men to grow up. On the bridge in response to a call that went out over the radio. And had the goods duty the obligation that there were trained to do. To handle that properly to not shoot first. And then cover up later you know suitable metaphor that we -- we shoot somebody should shoot shoot first ask questions later hell they even ask questions later but -- shot -- covered up. Well so. You know this was. A situation where they war they were trained to encountered individuals and -- all things. We're not these were not some of the army and that the police was so short handed in some instances they had to put people out there. Who were still in the academy and a -- and all these people a multiple year careers so they can't really point to two to ignorance around. And I say and I -- you write and I say repeatedly looked to. The men and women who did it right. The vast majority who didn't know where their families were. You know but who were out there in tough neighborhoods typical situations where they -- or confront a -- lawlessness from time to time we know. You know there was a lot of disinformation out there that that that made it seem a lot worse otherwise it was a typical situation but so many. Did it right and did it under the most difficult circumstances. And they deserve our gratitude they deserve our affection our respect. And -- and real reverence from the public for doing it right. You know these are folks whom did it. I can say they did it the wrong way. Is is the understatement of the decade. I well I know I am I mean they -- we have start to go through a sentencing phase of all this they were none of whom were found guilty of intentional murder. But some massive civil rights violations weren't what are we looking at. I mean I'm here I've heard as much as 250000. Dollar finds each I'm here I'm hearing a lot of stuff well what are they facing. But the first element you can look at at at the do you look at the top of the spectrum ranging a look at the bottom you if you look at that and actually build bottom but if you look at prince since. The the false statements and the conspiracy -- boot -- those carry a maximum penalty of five years imprisonment and and no minimum. And every -- by the way every better federal felony count as a possible. I -- slope of up to two -- 50000 every every charge every every -- always under under federal law. Every felony count now that said. If you look at the most severe penalty if possible. The the accounts one an eight which for the civil rights killing couch all of them under eighteen US feature 41. And that -- to 42. From those carry a maximum penalty of up to life imprisonment so -- individuals convicted of those could put. Receive up to life imprisonment rushed out and have really got to stressed. You know at the end of the day. It's going to be it is -- after a pre sentence investigation report is made to the court by US -- organizers probation service. Probation -- parole. Then the judge will look at this sentencing guidelines. And what is under no legal obligation percent to within those guidelines whatever they are. Consent to any range within the statute -- could be up to. Two ten years -- shooting up to life imprisonment. Now the firearms counts. The that that for these guys were convicted on. They are exposed to on one album a a minimum. Mandatory sentence of ten years. -- which must run consecutive -- any other sentenced hand and also a on the second 125 years. So as a practical matter look at a couple of minimum mandatory here and up to life imprisonment now that I'm kind of oversimplified but. But no that's that's basically want I want I mean this the verdict just came out in the sentencing -- way down the road and I know that I know that the judge has to do and I know have to do probation report right in the out but word. I mean these guys problem they're going to jail a minimum of ten. Minimum of 25 years there's -- to be let me ask you this if -- 250000. Dollar. Fine on every felony count is a possibility of someone is gonna get life imprisonment they still going to be stuck -- Medtronic. Don't know I mean it's again it's up to the court you know find certain things. You know their minds are our part things that are better. Taken -- consideration by the court. When when the court fashioned sentence based upon ability to page. Whether there was you know when He lost to the government tell whether or not apply -- would would add to the sentence materially from them until really had then the judges -- are very good about fashioning. Not just legal technically legal -- logical sentences in terms of -- find him and and bill restitution and things like that nicely all feel -- Donald -- pretty good over there. You know -- -- it's hard to say that we feel good I think -- feel you feel better is it an antidote on this -- again -- you know somebody out there I think we're Jimmy Dell or Iran introduce that I don't know if I said. I don't know if this is if I feel like this is so today's wedding or funeral you know it's it's. And and the metaphorically that's social because you know this this came from. -- base such a tragic event that had to be played over and over again. Which horribly affected the lives of so many people the families of the of the individual convicted who. You know that built mainly the families of the victims. Whose lives will forever be changed or two people dead couple. You know terribly injured. And end and who were scarred forever. And so I think what I think it's fair to say is that I'd feel -- -- attorney who think we all feel. Very strongly that got a great justice has been done however difficult and painful that is. In that you know that the victims were vindicated I think -- constitution and laws of the United States are vindicated. And I think you did that again I think we we also understand that we're seeing every day that code of silence. Is being shattered. And it's being shattered to the point where I think. But an environment in which police cultures were good guys -- C. And are aware of bad things going on. Actually on their obligation to come forward. Because that's that's that's this is just inseparable from there. Obligation to protect the citizens. Jim I appreciate you calling them I really do amendment congratulations. Thank you thank you all right Jim Ellison Jim -- The US attorney here with the when his comments about the verdict that came in a -- go way overtime for the news let's go to share rose here in the back with more your calls -- for a heroes push around -- -- -- Saying. There's Jimmy -- from Cowboy Mouth in the eighth caller. -- PepsiCo plans to 60. 94672609467. The eighth caller you're gonna win for tickets to go -- Cowboy Mouth and Harris. Saturday August 13 Saturday August the thirteenth. And Todd -- New Orleans Cowboy Mouth performing the eighth caller -- 26 so. 9467. You're gonna win for tickets to go see that show column up right now. Our government scholars to -- about there's a good chance for -- In my in my studio right now we just heard from Jim -- He called in here. And his comments after what he's talking about rebuilding the -- PD they are there to protect us not -- us. Was one of the things He said do you think like He thinks that this verdict is going to. Push just a little farther down the path of healing or is it just. Is sit out this I think it's open up the named any wider but I'm not sure it's. It's gotten to the point where it's healing thing at least I am I think it's maybe get into a discussion thing which is one place we -- -- -- I think we need to look at present tense present tense we have a new mayor -- Mitch Landrieu -- a big fan of I think He does a great job. We have a new police chief -- who I'm a fan of I think he's doing a good job. One of the things that Lee who called them before the Jim let me get on the phone and Jim -- talked about both of them talked about training. Spot I think the training was lacking years ago I think now we're trying to get an up to -- police department. You've got to get a higher quality of officers you've got to have better training and and I think we're moving in that direction. One of the things I was amazed that I heard Robert falcon testified during this trial when they talked about training. This is -- some unbelievable. But He said He is training as a related to deadly force. Dealt with paint balls and paint -- shootings. I turned it again next -- said what He said we we had the scenarios would paint ball training. I'm like oh my goodness what are you talking about so well I just think that the training. Present tense is much better than the training passed him. I don't know how events that much better I'll tell you the truth when's the last time they had earned an academy here. You just had a bunch officers you've got you've got what. All these ones have been suspended for three days because of all this stuff. All that all that the duty. Staying -- they tailed deal you got. A mother daughter son who pled guilty now on the and the mother comp has risen as a retired -- to fellow -- some of the highest respect ratings. In old city He is retired. Our bodies among the police force who can't tell me how many cops are out there and we're in hurricane season. You know -- -- yeah as are we are moving down right path yeah maybe so but one of the things -- move into is enough cops on the street. Ten times but it does bread Diaz you the winner thank congratulations. You're the winner of those take affirmative way another -- set them on next hour and make sure you stay tuned for that aren't let's get back to the phones here -- -- so 170 as the number. Agnes in New Orleans they don't Magnus -- -- gonna be out. -- -- -- -- -- think they'll be listening to your -- than the ones who think it's so what the police and are reluctant to support this. Verdict might get hit that they are part. Because I'm. -- in new wallet -- but my home in Maryland doesn't matter what part of the country unit I'm going to be Europe these -- -- suiting up. I'm happy until why people. The victims are almost always black people or people call up and so I think that's why it's so racial statement that helped -- put -- The police and its verdict -- seat. I gave me an example several years ago after that I need Lebanese it was a we need to put up may have an epic aren't out of date with a shotgun. Mutual -- actually hit it delayed -- I think they will keep. 'cause if He was black he'd have been in fact I wouldn't be a little in New York City 46 spoke with hope. -- -- -- -- Victim being shot publicly elected at all these black people. And -- we see that the verdict in that incident differently. The other thing I wanna say -- -- a couple of no the -- sympathizers or who. Of course helping these -- a couple of that sympathy it's usually. We need to something wrong vehicle to approval by approached typical book after the job to put to want to attract. Leads you down the back what they capacity it's. And I'm wondering how He. The collapse and grow it you've got out this help you do the wrong -- and electing a one affiliates. Of what government in copd or. But you have congress. People who we tie your. And collecting pinch hit before -- a trial before they found guilty. I'm the empathetic and who have to pay little tension about the -- don't have that option. I think that the doubles then I think it needs to be looked into. I can't argue with -- on the last one for sure the first one if if it -- the statistics element. I'm sure somebody has them I don't sort can't even argue or refute -- -- that -- I mean you you probably and I'm white and do I look up these numbers as much as you Dorsey at the -- I don't see the world the same way you do because I haven't grown up like you have ever seen the world familiarize so that -- You have what we call a wide open big shot -- -- believe they were unarmed. A couple of times. Spasms and parents is happening more than once if you're right though I mean that and that's for the -- get shot in the legs and front of the the White House. Don't know why that happened I mean I don't know the police officer that's strain. To shoot somebody in the legs they're trying to shoot center mass and they're trying to keep shooting until the end senate until vote -- -- -- -- the via. The danger of the situation is over so you know. The white outfit with a rifle. Them Agnes of hockey comment this is -- forever a couple of comments number one and thank you for you call and I totally respect your opinion. Number one there were two black defendants that I described I just make that I. I just make -- a comment on not a lot not as a criticism. Secondly the supervisor in this case lieutenant moment. Was a cooperating witness -- if He pled guilty and He testified that He was the -- and it. Who showed up on the scene after Kaufman so you are correct there war supervisors who were involved in this and the third point -- like to make his. Is I have discussed this case. With many different folks black YE media nine media people and restaurants coffee shops. And Agnes I want your opinion on this but my statement is. Definitely to me black folks have a different opinion of this case then white folks feel Rebecca. I. You and let me say because you your you quietly at its may not know. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Doesn't matter what you income level -- which you educate a little bit black -- talk they apparently took a prompt the police who really -- -- -- You know my own -- is slowly. There is a different protocol. -- blackboard -- told him they are stopped by the police because. In the black community -- we know it doesn't take much. Delusional like the answer of the police and imprint carries. For the educational level upper victims' families I don't even know -- -- -- -- I -- if there hadn't been much. Because local -- they -- -- going to be -- it was just. The persistent and educational. Leveled -- financial -- diplomatic -- that we actually got guitar. -- would you say I think has a lot of merit. And I will point out to the listeners into yourself obviously you're familiar with the Madison family not only is doctor Madison a prominent member of our community. I believe he's actually the president of the Louisiana dental association -- board so -- Think and I think people -- acquitted of the national. Don't duplicate it would give the black dentist so it's -- national. Prominence. Yes ma'am and I well I think that certainly was relevant to this case -- and why it wasn't try and on the on the state level is. Army weaken weaken. And it'll take days to go down that road because than they were the first arrested viable and I mean one of the arguments we made when this thing first happened was the district attorney. Eddie Jordan made statements. Wendy's police officers were first arrested. That frankly inflamed and I think. Put a dent in the and the chances. Of any -- on these statements are only when this happened they told you not you have now. That denied justice but you've made justice that much harder to reach that He did when He made some of the statements He -- when these things -- and that's -- -- -- -- is the king -- -- -- people He called up today but you're not gonna get any kind of state any kind of inflammatory statements on him until he's got -- from and frankly I think some of the mess up on the state level as one of the reasons why it took so long to get justice in here and -- the feds had to come in until it. Well I'm a metallic apparently and so I know what attorney's ethical obligation -- kind of a little bit about just about judge -- judged. Piccolo who dismissed the -- -- -- one of -- -- to file their brother. And but what in the in a BD another clip that I could be public. -- cube -- fail to be president because the attorney. We quiet typically not to do anything. Debt. It. They look. Tech. -- just like that one you're of the BO it's like the juror who stepped down at the we did this judge this judge should I don't want the jury did the juror who found out during the thing I'm I didn't even notice by -- Related by marriage to one of the defendants more than I got to step away because I don't want to taint the decision -- Bigelow should've done that the Supreme Court should a column on that. You know -- this should have been in state court years ago but again you. Well I know judge Bigelow when He is an ethical one honorable man and -- -- I disagree with both -- -- as a relates to judge Bigelow specifically. But you know who knows what what what may have yeah but you gotta go in front him and I just Yemeni -- judge anymore he's retired and enemies but I'm gonna. I'm gonna say what it is -- meaning not and I just think he's an ethical. Person -- overtime no Angus I appreciate your comment you stirred the pot considerably thanks so much for listeners thanks a bunch recall. I got to step away dome over time back -- more got a bunch of Carl's got a bunch of text. I -- -- for a for a couple more minutes and we're gonna fill the third hour when not mature calls and comments -- must push around a bit beyond. I got a minute left check. Coming up beautifully alive a lot of investigating what we have prediction. Well I think Jim one laid it out you know it's gonna be decades in jail for for the defendant -- It's it is what it is it's a tragedy and families of the victims the families of the defendants. We've had a thorough discussion on him. You know I think that -- Residents of the city in Orleans and the surrounding areas certainly are in tune of what happened in. I think it's the criminal justice system -- -- the jury system worked in the case and I organism has for now we gotta remember look okay now we gotta go from here.