Joining me doctor Ted Galen Carpenter he is the vice president. For defense and foreign policy studies at the Cato Institute doctor -- and how are you thanks for -- -- appreciate you taking the -- well I am we're going to be talking about these vigilante groups that are happening in. And Mexico but I gotta get your year your first impression on this breaking news from off from the Defense Department with women on the front lines in combat. Is this a shocker are the next logical step. You know what do you think what's what's your first impression. Certainly not a shocker I mean one could see this coming in stages for the past decade and a half. Because a lot of women are technically in noncombat roles often find themselves in combat zone. I've been expecting this for a number of years it's not that big change it's just. An official recognition in what has become reality and and opening the door a little further to women being in other positions in the military. And has it been I mean. I know there's some women who were general officers put. You never I don't think ever seen him in consideration for him in -- of the daily upper Echelon jobs and all those people about it real. Legitimate. Term I don't know they are undersea BH. Yeah actually what -- -- -- officially recognized like your assigned to a combat you're right now we'll actually see them being aside. Right and I think we will see the promotion opportunities for. Women in the military expand inevitable. And yesterday I was talking to. Michael Lyons from CBS news and I was talking specifically about sexual assault and harassment and such in the military. And talking about Jeff Sinclair -- a player and media. And the court -- he's facing for a sexual improprieties in and out of apparently at. As a lot of people and I mean like eighteen generals and admirals. But though the study only pointed at people who were actually in command it also didn't include the executive officer -- junior staff members you know. And I mean there's there's lots and lots of people I'm assuming. That a lot of people are gonna say that with this final step over the threshold under combat units -- May see a rise in net. Problem in the military but you you say has become in fifteen years they've been everything but officially assigned in to a do you think it's the income arise and in the downside of having women on the front -- Well again you're kind of outside my area of expertise zone when you get into those kinds of questions but. The reality is when you were in combat zones whether -- Afghanistan Iraq whatever. Women find themselves under fire considerable amount of time. And they have to. React accordingly this jumps again slightly expand that role and recognizes reality that is already. On bill. And and and it was done by Leon Panetta who is. Leaving the DOD. He's leaving the secretary of defense -- It's kind of like well somebody was gonna do it that's the way to do it I mean he -- one of his last official acts as the secretary of defense is going to be don't mess that is going to be. While you can technically point fingers all the food chain of winning you know notes -- an administration the bottom line is this missiles and I guess an easy decision for them to make and how there were gonna make -- Well and it reflects the presidency were wouldn't have happened then and it gives. Assuming that Chuck Hagel is confirmed as secretary of defense to basically. Start him with a new hero fresh page. Yeah. I mean sold that was taken out of his -- so he wouldn't have to fool with it because has already talked about you know that the he may have trouble getting a confirmed so if this is already in place. Then out of people who've had a problem -- him would be raised and instinctively decided to do it and. Like he could just say that well with those who has now established policy like going to overturn it. The -- I was and Pennsylvania let's get back to what I ask you to join us about this vigilante groups are springing up in Mexico. They're fighting against the cartels that's basically small towns villages -- mostly southern Mexico but it seems to be expanding. I mean we've done and heard stories about. Uh oh I mean drug cartels literally trying to take over the whole state of Chihuahua are I think -- -- -- one of the states and Mexico that really is close to a bordering the United States and I mean literally trying to take over the government and everything else you're talking about cartels. That have private armies that have massive amounts of money. That are trying to literally influence world politics by how they infuse money come into different aspects and now you got a bunch of people. Who were just simple farmers or simple merchant men when. Are far and away to not have the massive amount of firepower of their cartels have their -- their sin and pickup trucks. They got their faces covered would -- so they're not necessarily recognized by the drug cartels. And around there little twenty gauge shotguns and twenty twos and bolt action rifles which you know what. This man and up to them and name that. -- has been a development that's been coming for some time. When I did the research on most of the book that I published late last year -- fire next door Mexico's drug violence in the danger to America. I have that book is a good book by the way. Thank you very much and but I wrote most of that between. Early 2010 early 2012. And already there were signs in various places in Mexico. Self defense groups -- vigilante groups are rising. This shows that that process really is accelerating. And it's not a surprise. Same thing occurred in Columbia on the drug cartels and the left wing. Rebels were so powerful crossings so much trouble you phoned self defense groups. Forming in Colombia. Mainly be moderate to conservative groups that battled those those games. And. Unfortunately that is these signs of the break down state authority and means that the state cannot provide. One of its most basic functions that is sure of the security the physical security. Of its citizens and that's what's happening in at least some areas of Mexico there there certainly peaceful areas in Mexico. But there're an increasing number various for the cartels. If not dominant. Really -- major force in a major danger to the people. And end and that's just at their done with him and taking anymore is a breakdown. Of the state authority but the problem is to a rating of about one of these towns where. The regular traffic but. -- they are literally they have their own hand written lists of people that they. Suspect or are accusing of being members of the cartel one of its people a target two years ago my brother my cousin was killed. He too he -- what a soldier cartel stopped killed everybody in a truck he was caught in the crossfire goes I'm done I'm finished a Todd asking for help I'm doing it myself. But the problem is soon. In taking the launch of their own hands they have their hand written list they don't mean vain if they. Stop a car and semis on that list they put him in their own makeshift jail when they have their own citizens courts. And wind. Humane organizations wanna see how they're being treated and what's happened to him what the charges are the villages are going -- Get away we don't want you we we want justice we're handling our business you'll have a shot you blew it get lost. Yup and unfortunately some of the people -- accused may not be guilty you know not infallible no bailout so. This is this is another bad sign what's happening Mexican. I'm gonna step corporate segment can I hang onto -- for at least the bombing now. Actually I'm doctor Ted Galen Carpenter is my guess he's from the Cato Institute he's the vice president for defense and foreign policy studies and we're talking about. In Mexico. Vigilante groups being comprised of members of people in the village who were just flat fed up with drug cartel violence and the lack. Of ability or willingness of the government to actually protect them they're protecting themselves they're taking the law into their own hands. Is that wrong is that right and isn't that what people do anyway they take the law into their own hands. And form their own little system of government and things like that's what these people don't. Are they make -- right decision how's that gonna affect us and do you think you be able to do the same thing would you sit on the silo road. What are red bandanna and old when he to and try to catch. 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If you've never been to a situation like that it's -- it's really cool and the big organ player in the in the asylum movies has released trip. We are talking about. Mexico small towns in Mexico that are actually arming themselves with vigilante forces to protect their small town so far they are. This highs and lows are good and bad of everything I mean they have a government authority in Mexico but these people not getting protected their tired. Mean that the local police chiefs are getting killed we hear stories about that all the time at a woman. Who became the police chief of the border town in Mexico they shot her down what is to stop. Doctor mark partner of these these mean a lot of these guys who work for via for the cartel another former military. There are former police officers. Their stories here about American military where you have gang members who joined the military so they can learn. Tactics and and a and the operation Novo much more advanced weaponry what is to stop and why haven't commented they just not. Putting enough from a sting -- a cartels that they haven't mounted an offensive and just taken these guys out on the road. Well it pretty well tried that under the presidents who just left office in Mexico Felipe Calderon. And it didn't work at all what it was caused an explosion in the violence. The cartels. Dominate the market in a product that has high demand in the United States basically illegal drugs with the enormous profit potential. They're heavily armed and that's why these. -- self defense groups is that a lot things are going to be at a big disadvantage to cartels. Have AK 47 machine guns and grenade launchers -- of their well trained as you mentioned. Some of the leaders of the states is the most violent cartel were special forces. Trained by the Mexican military in the US military so you know these these people. Have greater firepower greater training. It's also. A wonderful piece of evidence about how gun control laws don't work. Mexico as one of the toughest gun control laws in the world. If that worked Mexico should be one of the most peaceful places in the world it is not by any means. Well and because the people who work -- in the most hardware. Other ones Cora breaking the biggest loss of one of the Cammie carrying a piece for them. As this that's not even a consideration that's just that's like put your wallet your pocket before you at the door. Yeah additionally desperate a lot of the people in Mexico or. A little over a year ago the major business group agency without water which at that time was probably the biggest senator drug related violence. Actually put any formal request that the United Nations to send peacekeeping troops. To Mexico because of the the drug gains running amok and needless to say that was a big embarrassment to the Mexican government. But it just shows how desperate how frustrated. People in these high impact areas are. But it but army -- these guys would all bold action pistols and an ancient revolver and a you know and ultimately -- shocked I mean are they just basically. They just haven't attracted. Enough attention of the real car I mean you're talking about people. And we have argued in debates and arguments here about waterboarding and such. You're talking about people that will stick you head down in a barrel of crude on Centre on far I mean these people. These drug cartel of people -- they have no limits to be evil and vile things they can come up to do. That's one of the more shocking features of the drug violence. Over the past few years is just the rising level of -- I mean it did. It is astonishing the creativity. Of the of the sadism that's taking place. But yeah you're right if if one of the major cartels. Really begins to focus on one of these self defense committees. I don't think I would be putting much money on the self defense committee and they would be so heavily out down there would be much chance. Someone they its top people homeless on the road and they have their hand written list and day. Picked the wrong person put the wrong person in the jail -- be somebody's brother in -- -- nephew then the next thing you know it it's going to be -- You know hand. So far I think the major cartels. Haven't regarded -- as high priority. If they become more effective that's likely to change. How will you know when I got to go to the news can you stand on another -- -- this I wish I could. Unfortunately you have another comment now while I appreciate you taking the time talking does that mean this is literally right below our border one more time the name your books of people to go look it up. Fire next door. Mexico's drug violence and the danger to America. Yeah it's an excellent it's an excellent actually I think Garland one -- my cohorts over you do this -- about it and I got his -- economic factor so I'm going to throw it now in -- anyway I appreciate you taking the time seductive Ted Galen -- her from the Cato Institute thank you very much.