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5-28 10:10am Garland, marijuana legalization

May 28, 2013|

Garland talks to Stephen Downing, a retired LAPD Deputy Chief and member of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, about new polls showing majority support for legal pot

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We're good number of pretty major bridge collapses around the country police in particular one Washington State. So I started reading about it resolute very partly as a -- -- -- because what he's been ordered to spend more money. Two. Build these new bridges and re imports one -- god we've got some and some real trouble. All across United States. -- -- The headlines were global stocks have plunged. US plunged video sped -- printing money but in many stopped in the relatively near future. Japan's economy that was -- brings in trouble and China pouring more money into cities with the new people and it. Real estate bubble or not. Today you pickup via. Internet then there amateur Asian stocks -- up sort of talk to an economist. Try to figure out what's happening on the media concerning their economy in worldwide. This hour unload our show we're done many many many times -- one I'm sure a lot of -- -- grow -- not another sure marijuana but there's a little bit different tours Stewart right now. Over the weekend who's driving the channel surfing is always a hit in PR. And a big word doing a story called goal east young marijuana do you work. What are wasn't nearly twenty states that are you know legalized marijuana. Strange things -- happen. When one student brings an underground market into the mainstream in the other one doesn't. As it turns out of marijuana dealers. Suddenly they've found their business legal. Often find themselves without prompted more so what are they doing. They hit the road to other states worry it's illegal. And how many times have argued only assured nothing helps. Our drug war is billion. I think because it does not address the -- laws of supply and many receiving -- this retired LAPD deputy chief of police also memorably. Law enforcement against prohibition -- Stephen welcome to show. You're going to be back what do you make of this latest where. We're seeing some of -- evidence that states that have legalized marijuana. Dealers -- leaving for places like New York because they can make twice the money. It's so well. Used to be expected. So what what they're doing in the states that are. Legalizing marijuana Tuesday are. -- you know the black market. They're controlling them regulating the market place. That should have been controlled. And regulated long long ago. And they are to leave their business. And there are sending them or other places to to make their profits and and in so doing the what. You'll see a reduction in a black market myelin. You'll see. Packaging firmly believe no marijuana products. And situated the people who purchase them know what they're giving me. They can be satisfied. And assured that what -- -- -- is to laced with PCP or heroin or cocaine. There are so many advantages to the legal marketplace. That sends them running. If we legalize marijuana across the United States we would see a very significant reduction in violent. We would see. And increase in tax revenues. We would see. Them. Most importantly. Healing take place. And we would see our police senator criminal justice resources. Giving more attention to crimes against persons and property. And then marijuana arrest. You know there was various earlier while back that showed in the last ten years. New York City. Has expended one million. Police hours just on the enforcement of marijuana laws. Since. Old tube between go to him -- Kuo who made 440000. Marijuana possession around. And expended a million police hours doing that. Million police cells or. Amounted to be equivalent of having 31 point cultures. Working eight hours a day. 365. Days a year for eleven years. Making only marijuana possession run. So. If they legalize -- New York just look at all of the we resource is that could be returned to public safety that's what's happening in Washington and that's what I'm -- in Colorado. We're thinking about marijuana in the think tank which Stephen downriver from turned over including deputy. Member of now a member of -- law enforcement against prohibition. We tried our best to get deals side which every time we do the show would have been able through this time we came up short so we'll come back call makes over the arguments those veteran against. I went on good -- I'm calling for is decriminalization. Of marijuana in particular. Come right back this is still going to be all the 178 and one of -- three of them usually get a lot of audience participation hearing gives golf -- 60187. Weeks or text -- -- itself. We're thinking about I'm -- brother you're pursuing development and good debate over marijuana we're seeing reports now. Lot of -- -- revelers leaving the states that have legalized it because they've taken web front that moved. And where they're born or the states -- Therefore those states are inheriting. The higher prices form of the criminality. Of it and the violence and goes along with the we have -- -- -- -- that were turned I would PD deputy chief of police. Also a member of lead law enforcement against prohibition Stephen -- about how many people do you have been leaked. And you don't have the correct number but -- -- tens of 1210200. There's there's 100000. -- members. And that includes both criminal justice professionals and supporters. I would say about 15%. Of our membership. Those who are. Qualified by the membership. Requirements. To speak to the subject. Are about 15%. And that includes a police. Prosecutors. Broad. -- Wardens and DEA agents that sort of think. I consider earlier that we've tried to do appealed to side of this marijuana debate just couldn't get anybody at this time of the day. This one time usually real feels so mentally that role. You -- -- -- -- we have them on the the first thing they would say. Is that our -- and fourteen Stewart a good job in the drug war there were. That things are getting better -- winning more and and we're stopping the flow. Well let. -- truly would not be true. I was there when. Nixon. Declared the war on drugs -- formed the narcotic operation. For a long sentence police department at that time. And it didn't take me. Too long to -- realize. Every aspect of the war on drugs it was a failure. You have to look at our policies in the war on drugs we. We -- original. Intention. He was. Seven things. And these horrible. Drug supplies should be increased. Drug purity should decrease. Drug prices should then increase. And therefore drug use should be creeks. Drug overdose -- should decrease. Drug prohibition murders should be -- A violation. Of arrests should be created while we've failed in every one of those categories. When I started. We were receiving. They -- grade big case it was a Q lowered to 2000 dollars. Today they're seeing seeing not measuring them procedures in -- or Q those are measuring. Them in. -- -- Tons of marijuana -- tons of methamphetamine. Tons of cocaine. One of our goals drug purity should be Kris. When we started Byron thereby narrowing in those days. And street level packages of heroin. Averaged about one and one half percent pure. Today in the averages 60% pure and they give you a good idea why there's so many. Overdose deaths. Our goal is to. Look at drug prices should increase later prohibitive. Well -- the DEA's since the beginning in the war and -- -- so prize for cocaine is decreased 60%. The whole protocols so prized for heroin has decreased 70%. These same kinds of statistics replied to with a marijuana. Drug use should decrease. The DEA estimated that before we start the drug war there is about four million people. Above the age twelve who had used an illegal drugs. I was 2% of the population. Today the DEA figures. Their hard earned twelve million people above the age of pro refused penalty illegal drugs that's 40% to 46% of the population. And it's a problem now 23. Times greater than forty years ago. But also the interesting thing about is that these trend of addiction as compared to use. Addiction. Has remained relatively the same about one point 321 point 5% of the population. Then we also says that drug overdose death should be creates. And in fact overdose heroin does have increased from 28. -- thousand users in 1979. 241. Per thousand users by 2000 merely. Five times as many. And then drug prohibition murders should decrease well we know what's happened across the country. When I started we had two little games. In south central Los does slip. We are starting -- giving him alone just prior to the decoration in the drug war they had a membership of less than 100. Those two little -- have morphed. -- -- 33000. Gangs across the United States but the membership of 1500000. When we started we barely heard the cartels somewhere shadows in Latin America. Today. DOJ figures. The cartels control. Drug trafficking and movies of the gangs. In 1000 American cities. So basically there is no metric no metric whatsoever. That demonstrates. This policy. Has been successful. If you call a -- -- successful. Operation. Or you call the conclusion of an investigation and conviction of somebody. Success you're fooling yourself those are measures of failure. And we have failed to appear in every respect and been in the context of the goals and we're sort of go to war on drugs. And I'm rescue admittedly a strange question Newman up on respond to -- them and as -- and went. We don't shows -- solely when I discovered that we've got two major for profit. Prison corporations. Very large about a seventy billion dollar industry. And their signing contracts which states all over the country. Calling for 2030 your contract with the guarantees. Of occupancy. Of 90% of the bet. There and we're done -- on the idea of international bank egg each SBC. Who laundered tens of billions of dollars for the drug -- -- -- and terrorist organizations. And got nothing more than upon nobody charged nobody went to jail. Do we have a assistant that most of us aren't aware of that demands a certain 41 Tora prison's. To keep on profitable or keep them open. While at same time powers are being. Laundering money and making money out of the drug trade. Well and -- that yes we do. Yes we do. Could I just couldn't figure out how do you come to me is simply issued mere governor don't legislate tore super fighting we're. Fighting Horton Q2 cutback in violent crime. But we need to fill in legally and 90% of our bets. This is that this is to be. The result. Of what I call police -- for profit. In the days of alcohol prohibition. The bribery. Was. Stacks of cash in brown paper bags. That were delivered to corrupt politicians and corrupt police. Two days that bribery has taken a different form it's systemic give his part of the system. Congress passed laws. Regarding. Assets seizure. Where in order true leverage local long force went into the drug war they give in my eighty. Percent. Split 8020 split the country. But across the country and millions of dollars every year go to local law enforcement. As an encouragement. To seize your property. And so the result is that law enforcement resource is -- steered. Toward those kinds of seizures than those kinds of arrests. Rather than being steered toward matters of public safety. One little old town and come out here in California. Last year as its leaders they picked up nine cars they build up their fleet. By keeping nine of the cars they seized. And and then they have brought in an additional. Close to two million dollars and as has seizures to buffer. Their budget we have city managers. That -- chief of police -- cheap for example. You put in for ten million dollar budget this year. You have but you have to go out and -- two million number. Through it's seizure. And as its seizure -- is is. Preponderance of evidence not beyond a reasonable doubt. And the result of that says -- across the country now is that. Of the billions senators seized in -- and our property and every year. 80%. Never even result in a criminal finally -- so they're taking your property touch at least 25000 dollars to your lawyer to try to get him back. And and they target people they target. People that have buildings we have. A situation. But here in Orange County right now. Where this city. Anaheim. Stephen do you like. Tonight the kuril -- thought to I was sure isn't listening so intently and forgot about -- news when we -- -- kept we're gonna come right back talking to Stephen downing who retired LAPD deputy chief of police. Also remember -- law enforcement against prohibition and of course we're talking about marijuana. Think you're bound different turn in the war in particular war against marijuana. And more -- -- -- report -- Pot dealers. Living in the states that have legalized marijuana. Moving -- cities Dickerson is that I'm not very big business. They have not made -- legal because they need to make much more profit. -- we've interviewed him considerable. While would you risk prison while would you risk being shot and -- -- that's what the drug trade is based on this property you take that -- way you're have to worry about getting shot put journal make much money. We have Stephen downing with the -- retired -- Also a member of police and law enforcement against prohibition. Stephen I -- we are broke. A brought up to have the concept of some major international banks have been caught. Laundering drug money and terrorism money nobody went to -- nobody charged. They had pay a fine which was fractional compared to what they have made. No real laws and please stop. Them from doing and then we've got for profit prisons. That require a contract that requires. 90% occupancy. And I think you'd just verify and what I begin to think of -- we hear we're fighting to reduce crime. Here it seems rather doubtful. When you were just getting ready gives you another example I think in California. -- the the example I was give dream is that very. Hey you know older couple. -- she being his dentist today and he gave -- an engineer. Investors their retirement fund money embody. Commercial office building score building. And they had a -- numbered years and a we're unsolicited. To win one of their storefront. To a medical marijuana dispensary. So what these people did is they determined that medical marijuana almost legal in California. They read -- and record them. They heard. Present over Obama say that. If you want to going to bother medical marijuana. And they heard our attorney general saying basically the same thing. So they renters. Storefront to a marijuana dispensaries. All the city didn't light. That. So this city which is. Part of the sovereign state of California. Sovereign state that voted fifty -- 7%. To legalize medical marijuana sixteen years ago. They didn't like -- so. The city called the DA. And NASA and told the BA that these people had a building. Free and clear. That was assessed at one point five million dollars. And and they should she -- because they are selling marijuana they're legal. Medical marijuana. Maybe federal government did not even send them a letter warning -- -- -- assets seizure. -- And the moment these people received that. See your notice. They expelled from the medical marijuana in this country. And told the government. All of the things that they went through to decide to put him in there but since they've sent in this letter. Sent him this notice of legal serving. That. They -- amount. The government. Is proceeding with the absence seizure. And the city will get 80% of the proceeds. If they win. Beer Institute for Justice has joined with the local attorney out here to find him. The judge even cited in court and said that this government is this paid a test case that you really want to bring. And the government insists that they do and they're gonna try to take this -- building. Because they allowed a legal medical marijuana. Operation. To read from Adams and this is happening. All over the country they're taken people's cars. And what they do is they target them they find out they see a guy driving a Corvette they say. Let's see -- that -- -- -- it was paid for. Don't target them and go after their property and virtually 80%. Of federal -- seizures under what they call the crew won't sharing program 8020 split. 80%. Do not result in any kind of criminal prosecution. Now when they passed this law -- congress passes law. They hailed as long as one that they can't use. -- NATO really kingpins of drugs. A broad distribution. Well they haven't nailed the king pins with the law they've they've they've got a little guy across the country. And and is it's very it's been very tyrannical. Recently just last week I read were. The one of the Brothers of the Tijuana cartel which is probably the most murderous cartels in the world they've made the case. And these guys used to these guys who murdered lots of people in and melt aluminum and answered barrels. And after a fifteen year investigation they finally nailed them they had a great case. What the government doesn't. The government has cut a plea bargain one -- them so that they can get a guilty plea and the guy's gonna do fifteen years. It's -- years imprisoned ex lived. The -- everything. And yet we got a guy is selling medical marijuana or growing medical marijuana and he's getting ten years. -- His teen years in prison. For more on those guys than they do on the Tijuana cartel and. -- know our whole system -- honorable partner because of the -- war -- blue collar guy got to take a break. And end and won't come back. We're we're talking about marijuana we're talking about your recent. Revelations number of -- news reports all over the country where. -- revelers in states word. Pot is legal. Leaving and going to the states. There's a lot of violence surrounding it. Cops say electorate but. A big big profit motive -- when we come back a morning talk about Portugal 2001. They get better over the drug problem they hired a National Commission pointed to a National Commission to come up with a plan. -- came up with a plan to decriminalize. Drugs coming from legal decriminalized. And the critics said. Hold my goodness whose funeral from the country of two drug tourists -- it's been exacerbated. Our drug problem. The country's -- have the highest levels -- hard drug use in Europe in young people. -- or do -- drug much much more. Let's say what's happened as of 2013. When we come back. Are very quickly -- bowl -- the two groups even tell me what this will play. Former deputy year chief -- police soon. Los Angeles and now. Member of -- law enforcement against prohibition and primarily talking about marijuana but Stephen -- jumped into. This is -- -- -- -- pulled out the there's haven't read time magazine. Of Portugal got the -- of their drug problem they said all its interdiction in them policeman and the drug war was not working very appointed the National Commission. They've put together a plan that says okay we're going to decriminalize. It or not. Make it legal. Somebody gets caught where it's something over a certain amount. They have to go into -- European to counseling. With a critic says this girl part of the country to the drug tourists George going to be using a much worthy or today and on and on and on. April this year and on the personal possession after a person position was decriminalized. New -- illegal use among teens dropped a lot Richard new HIV infections dropped a lot. Number of people seeking treatment for drug addiction more than doubled because -- said people were no longer afraid it. Of criminal sentence so there were getting help. And judging by every metric induces the attorney general of Portugal. Judging by every metric decriminalization. In Portugal has been a resounding. Success. What doesn't work in this country. Unsure and it would work. The there's -- -- parable. Program in Vancouver British Columbia. Which is very pleased with the addicts can go and you get clean needles. And shoot. Under. Professional supervision. The result of that program. Has been. Number one. They reduction. By half but new aids cases. In that region. They reduction of overdose death. And interestingly enough because professionals are in this place. Voluntary. What. Rehab and the addicts voluntarily going into rehab because. They they use their drug and then in an environment in which. A professional advice and non threatening professional devices there. The one problem of decriminalization. However as opposed to legalization regulation and control. But the government. Is that deeper. That decriminalization. Only use in the hands of the criminal organizations. The on distribution. And therefore you are still going to have. -- you violence that is the solution is. Movie black market because they are going to continue to -- Controller -- only got about a minute when he left guard questioned where that -- in this minute. Once you take out. The profit one to legalize it like we've done booze like -- a prescription drugs. Once -- the profit motive is no longer there aren't you eliminate the violence and -- Well once once. Who want the profit is. Controlled and taxed. You lose the violence because. -- just that my best example is university. Coercion Budweiser shoot in and out on the street territory and because of they have a problem with one another. Because the fact that they're legal regulated and controlled they can go to court and resolve their problems. During prohibition that is not what happened drug territories during prohibition of alcohol. Al Capone and his -- shouted out when everybody. Send the same thing day in regulation and control you'd never hear. Of a kid on the school ground. But I mean. Dealing with a pusher who's pollution about Lewinsky. Is always an illegal drug. Unfortunately we run out of time Juno awards love having you on the sure we learned so much more than a new report thanks to a junior have a great day and hopefully we're gonna talk again. There sure welcome anytime. Soon down and retired LAPD deputy chief of police. Also a member of law enforcement against prohibition leap. We're coming right back.