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7-17 2:10pm Scoot: Stand your ground laws.

Jul 17, 2013|

Stand your ground laws are supposed to protect people who kill someone in self-defense. But does this give you permission to kill? We were joined by Dave Newman of Concealed Carry NOLA, NRA certified pistol instructor registered with the Louisiana State

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Good afternoon I'm studio for spike -- will be back tomorrow time Manassas will be doing this coach showed tonight sand there will be back of -- -- show tomorrow night. And Friday night's Rolling Stone magazine is being blasted for putting what appears to be a rock star type picture on the cover of their magazine. Of the Boston bombing suspects. This is giving him rock star status. That's -- WB -- pretty jaguar opinion poll right now 81% say yes it is and 19% say no it isn't we'll talk more about this coming up in the next hour. You can give us your opinion to a poll by going to our web site of the WL dot com. We also have this up on our FaceBook page if you haven't seen the picture of the Boston bombing suspect on the cover of the Rolling Stone. He looks like a rock star. But he is that band or is it showing him for who years. And what is a terrorist -- Maybe we need to recognize. People who are terrorist who maybe don't look like terrorists but is it wrong for Rolling Stone to do that. If you wanna see the picture go to our FaceBook page WWL radio. And you can also comment here's a comment from Mitch it might be an attempt for this magazine to be relevant again nobody buys that crap. Here's comment from Jerry and she says so why does oh what does this say about their mindset scary I'd say. Who honors are murdering terrorist. And again this is on our FaceBook page at WB will share for the comments. And post in just a little while. A six year old black girl found dead in Harvey have we talked about this on the show yesterday she's been missing since Friday the suspect. Has now admitted that he killed her. And he is black. Is it fair to ask if Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Would be here if the suspect was white it is that part of an honest honest conversation about race relations. Also there's been a lot of talk since the -- trial even though they did not use the stand your ground law. In Florida there's been a lot of talk about stay underground laws are standard ground -- good or bad for America that's the title of the scoop blog today it's on our web -- into the WL dot com. Read it's he may agree or disagree comment -- to feel like we'll share some of those comments later. And you can shirts as well. Dave Newman is with concealed carry -- an NRA certified pistol instructor and registered with the Louisiana state police he's in our studio -- thanks for being with us sir thanks programs. I Dave let's let's try to be as. As simple as we can with understanding the senators stand your ground type laws in their their a little bit different in every state but essentially. There have always been laws on the books that allow people to use deadly force against intruder or to protect property. But the stand -- ground laws. Take away the obligation to retreat if retreat is possible it was a. Correct -- -- as far as why being on the street are not on your property that's what the whole point of the stand your ground law was to remove the duty to retreat. When your -- were not on your property but yet you were in a space where you're legally at the right Tuesday. Our stay here now loss could mean for somebody who trains people to to use guys in the right way are stander -- -- good or bad are they are they've. Are they giving those people who might have a I don't know I don't house to say it's a gun happy mentality is he giving them too much of an excuse to using -- in a situation where maybe they wouldn't have to. Well personally I'm for stand your ground laws in general. Laws are always subject to interpretation. And if you don't understand the law for what it really means then you me interpreted to mean something else and you made. As you said use it in appropriately but. Personally I I find the I'm for it because of people like my wife who's it's he smalls she's -- 152. Maybe 107 pounds soaking wet. Somebody's not gonna attack me I'm a big guys of the likelihood of somebody trying to attack me is a much lower than them attacking her on the street. And I wouldn't want heard I have to have the duty to retreat priority using force to defend herself. Because. Oversized namely that there were somebody in upper management here told me after it was attacked. -- -- you know. Scoot your size your stature may have made you an easy target but it may have saved your life because of your size they didn't feel like they had to. And to kill you or hurt you to get what they wanted. That may be true or not true personally I find that things are a lot different now than when I was coming up I mean when I was younger you can get -- fist fight with somebody and drink a beer with -- the next day but now -- days. You can always count on acquiescing to the person that's attacking you. To save your life on your case it may have worked out that way I can't say that it's a rule. -- to because we can't just put. Lump everything in one you know bag and say that that's going to be where it happens at all. You know Dave. I have I've often talked about this this theory that. We have become such a society. That demands instant gratification and every aspect of our lives. Bit when there is an argument. Or confrontation. -- years ago people were taught to resolve their differences or to work through those differences or to accept those differences. Now it seems to me that there's instant gratification. To eliminate the person that is causing the confrontation or or or the problem and quite often vets. I think a motivation for using a gun to kill somebody. Well. I don't know what to say that because personally had gone is now which -- should use to settle and argue it was certainly but I doubt as a weapon of last resort they only time it. That lethal forces authorizes when you're in in fear of death or of grave bodily harm and that threat is immediate non avoidable and that's the way the law -- so often we hear about people who. Were killed because somebody got an argument they went home and got a gun or somebody got an argument they've and they they pulled out a -- I -- I realize that that's it it's a theory we could talk about that on another show. -- as some as somebody who trains people. To use guns. What's the first thing -- you tell somebody. Well I try to make it -- apparent to them like I just said that to be firearm as a weapon of last resort. And a majority of of of of what I teach a big part of it now maybe a majority of -- big portion of it is. How to avoid confrontation how did -- escalate situations. How to use communication. To solve problems. As opposed to a firearm or even any other force. A lot of situations can be avoided by just using. You know the way you handle yourself. You why would you go towards something that is perceived to be a threat in this case that is the subject mainly of why we are sitting here. I I feel that both men made the same mistake of going toward what they perceived to be a threat. If either one of them did that we would have never heard of either one of them trade bomb would be alive and and George would not have had to go for trial and I even though he was. He was of found not guilty. Or acquitted. It it still is is a hell of an ordeal would go through and I don't recommended for anyone so. If you can use self awareness is self defense to -- number one which I preach in my classes. That she should be aware of your surroundings and anything that you perceived to be a threat if the threat is is north go south. So you know call 911 and let the police deal with. But in -- case of somebody and I'm I'm not saying this of everybody. But it all the stories that I hear about that involve people who use guns to kill or to settle an argument self defense or or not. In many of these I get the impression that. It is the -- That gives somebody the courage to be in a situation they wouldn't ordinarily be -- and that's the wrong reason only gotten. I agree with the in my class we talk about the of that having that proper knowledge skills and attitude to own a firearm. And the last part is probably the most important I mean we can teach anyone how to use it physically hit the target and things like that but having the right attitude is very key. And thinking about a case I don't remember where this happened but not long ago on the show hours talking about. And a gentleman who wears criticizing -- he was pumping gas and he was criticizing. Some teenagers in car are on the other side of the island. And he was complaining and they said something back to hand. He went to a scoring daddy's gun fired into the car injured a couple of the teams and claimed that his life was threatened. So to me it seems like that's a guy who might not if confronted those teens if he didn't have a gun waiting for him and his car and that wouldn't be the right way to use a -- I've group now when we come back when askew what is your typical student like. And also Dave Allen askew if you ever told somebody you know I don't really think you're the right type of person to own a gun. We're talking to Dave Newman he's with concealed carry Nolan. He's a firearm instructor and -- certified pistol instructor and registered with Louisiana state police yesterday attorney general Eric Holder was speaking to an NAACP meeting and he said stand your ground laws may encourage violence. And may undermine public safety a six -- stand your ground law expand its it expands the law. But beyond just the use of dead deadly force when you feel like you're threatened against intruder or to protect your life and property. Stand your ground laws in twenty states and around the country. Say you don't have to retreat if retreat is possible. Dave Newman is for this he says firearms instructor with concealed carry Nolan certified Dell also within register with the Louisiana state police. Davis in favor a stay underground laws. But he also. -- talks about retreating and not moving toward danger if you see a dangerous situation even if you have a -- Right he got to realize if you're carrying a firearm even force it's for self defense it's a weapon of last resort. And it's it's important to realize that wherever you go. There's going to be a firearm there because you brought it so why put yourself in the situation. Where you may be compromising. The use of that firearms say you know if you go toward summit to threaten and all the sudden it becomes a fist fight. Now that person to grab that gun and use it against you and even if he didn't have a farm so you're you're putting yourself. In a situation where even your own gun might wanna be in your own demise because of your actions. Today Dave who is your typical student -- a stereotype if -- typical student and have have you seen the types of students change over the years. Well I mean it's a variety of people -- me in in ages as well as walks of life. It's mainly. I find a lot more lately it's people are afraid of certain things in their area I've get a lot of elderly folks in particular that say. They are afraid to even walk their dog in their neighborhood because there's and an element up the streets say someone that's renting a house in that. They have people coming in now all hours of the night the they think they might be doing drugs there is selling drugs or something. And they they they feel afraid to even walk in their own neighborhoods that they wanna feel a little bit more safer. By having some way to defend themselves because they realize that they're not young enough to to deal with the confrontation. Fist assessed as as I would say is towards that level of force. And do you feel like those. Older individuals are are prepared to. And ready to use the gun if they needed. Boy that's an interest in question. I find that a lot of people have the misconception that though it's simple and Mexico. You know all I have to do is point the gun and pulled the trigger and and they they believe that they are ready but more part of what I do -- land yap in my classes. Is proved to them that they will need further training even after they get their concealed weapon because why why would you take one class. Save the cooking class and expect to be Amaral got us. I mean why would you take one Spanish class and expect to be able speak Spanish fluently it's a great but yet people will take of one firearms class. And expect to be ready to defend their lives and they -- not. What's the make up of a class male female white black Hispanic. Lot of women lately lately have been getting more and more women I think that's the once area could see arise on. More more women giving out -- concealed weapons permits as far as ethnicity is it's a variety I would say it's pretty equal across the board. If you wanna join our show this afternoon on numbers 2601870. Toll free 86688908. Semi tech's number is. 87870. From -- Marvin your on WW LA good afternoon. Bill and make it out that. You all know she had been I don't that you're responsible for the get involved. Italy in these two well played games. You know in the actual game that they have even. Mr. blatantly birds with -- like. -- Obama -- short Bob what don't you. Like what did the abuse problem for all of files. Why there's those who paid their. I thought about the bubbles foregone. To have gotten. Well Margaret -- know it sets that's it it's scary when people. Who have guns. Shouldn't have guns. Yes it was an open and accommodate that nobody is good Chia pet that might view it -- law. And I'll put it -- -- before -- -- idea what is life. And -- follow critical files in the. Now. Marvin I understand and you know I guess so we can do is is say keep an eye on on on that guy but you know I mean data -- legally has the -- it it's if it's not the job of -- -- -- say -- you can only gone -- to report somebody -- legally owns a gun. Right I mean it's his right to have a guy and a until he proves otherwise. From New Orleans fans here on WWL -- good afternoon. -- -- are harder regard to that are paying. The court to overturn the interpretation. Here is usually very different from people who -- what -- the first. I think there when he gets to the side of having to have a piece. What you usually -- -- stick to grow law. Are always got -- it's a problem where it interpretation of orders -- orders someone or ego. And the degree of next year and -- Could be a -- four. Actually being a good friend. End and that's why some things go to you go to court now it you know one of the controversies concerning George Zimmerman was the police department didn't find reason. A to charge him in the beginning and then there may have been political pressure to charge you and so that's why that became a controversy but. You know Dave I like would you say about. You know you can own a gun but there's a lot of responsibility that goes along with -- and you have to have the rights. Attitude and mentality and unfortunately. Not everybody who owns a gun. -- gives gun owners -- good image. That's true. And you know as it's always. You know I hate to say it but a lot of times in the media from -- media's bad don't get me wrong but to if it bleeds it leads as they say is this was -- they say so he's the only time we hear about. The use of firearms is when it's a negative usually. -- from a Pensacola Robert George WWL. Yes yes -- column I suspect. You got back here by ecstatic that concealed weapons course. You know. -- -- -- -- -- So I didn't go through the process. That in your proper trying to. Which would you like Eric. Would you make exceptions for people who are on certain medications or people who deal with depression. No -- people are there there there that we've galactic shipment. You know it I'll be eviction -- -- evaluated. Yes -- yourselves so you wouldn't make exceptions for though you would say those people there's there's some people who shouldn't -- got. Well yes but this isn't what -- what it. Is. Saying you're going to allow people these on this story in the so when I -- to our millions. Ago. Business. In all my news Denver you know broke in real terms. In -- -- for years ago I had so you know. Well I hope I don't know the world broken my business and I had a buyer. And they're sure warm out means business. Allow that there. Put up buying it. In the concealed weapon lapses I should go on the liberty in our great nation -- proper target. In Asia are to go in you know in. Well -- if if if we're supposed to understand. The rules in the laws when it comes to driving in order to get a driver's license why wouldn't we have to learn them the laws. Including stand your ground when it comes owning a gun and -- and Robert is there. As a business owner right now and it did anything come of this she didn't -- you we were charged with anything -- you. No not at the doll Mattel doll world. You know well. The gun rounds and legal I don't pop up in the it was that want -- lot more than one hop news broke into. And investor that's a pretty pretty definite situation where you're defending their property. Robert -- go ahead. Yet but I also you know coming up right now aren't are the -- to -- that I had to go on and I don't O'Donnell to allow that there. But but the parliament is -- people. Thank you need to know. Exactly who worked toward what strain Seagram company's. Can't you -- if you're. Here and you need to have it -- popping cheating until call or UK. You get somebody. All operation absolutely. In beer volume. Robert you're right about that I'm glad things turned out -- for you. There there's there are a case in Texas of of a retired Houston firefighter who went to his neighbor's house a shot and killed her -- stand your ground. It's the castle doctrine in Texas. He's in prison for forty years because of what he did. And there's another case in Texas. A guy who gunned down somebody shot somebody who stole twenty dollars and 29 cents from the tip shark. At a taco truck. But he ran him down and claimed stand your ground just because you have a gun and have a right to have a gun and have a gun legally. Doesn't mean you have a right to use it in every case. And it's very important to know win and how. To use a gun they do and is with concealed carry Nolan he's an NRA certified pistol instructor registered with the Louisiana state police -- light in our studio. And there were continuing our conversation about the stand your ground lawsuit. Dave I would think that in addition to getting your permit. There are people who. Who definitely need to understand the laws that go along with it because we have every right comes responsibility that's very. It's just as important to know when to shoot as how to shoot I mean a lot of people can know how to shoot but it. Knowing what laws pertain to use of deadly forces as is more important to me there. Ostrom Guerrero and north you're -- W -- here and having a -- well. Hi I have very up with a column -- He is -- world. -- -- -- Our fire a warning shot I -- -- -- people. See that EP issued. I had been in CC. And other issues in fact it -- did not know and I which train you pull that. Eating plan on using it or not which you yeah out are out there are a warning shot. And I've been on me Robert Butler an injury. No I'm going to call nor are going to go on Dave it's always been my understanding that if you take out a gun you're not supposed to use it to scare people now. In an ideal world. -- warning shot works it's better than -- killing somebody but you do have to be prepared to to shoot to kill. Yeah Tom when you pull out of firearm you're basically authorized in the person that you you draw that firearm on to use lethal force against you because they have the right to meet force with force. And I tend to agree with the -- I really do. And from her hand showing here on WW LA good afternoon. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- And some of them -- -- And someone approaches you and MP -- abstentions and in the direction was to go. And what was that segment and as that and -- loosens -- at what point yeah. As witnessed them grow up -- Due to complete touchy. That. I'm. Trying to understand exactly question I mean you're saying to somebody stands in front -- -- that it. -- want to get more information -- that. And I met him and I can happen with them and then to get to that. Similar. Makes them stop and assess them. That there are concerned we. -- and stop -- stop and and answer questions that start at around YouTube. Even edit in. Greece got into the room. You have didn't. Even. And I'm not as usual and and -- didn't you. I had an answer but it -- apparently in US. And European groups and I -- implement this week. -- showing hybrids are we think that just because somebody is is is challenging you when questioning you that's. And even may be violating your your rights that that certainly doesn't mean you can shoot and -- she tell somebody about is about self defense. Mean you can't say it out of my way or killing him. Screwed. Around -- yeah. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- That would did you view that the language used -- that. -- -- would agree that you look at the glitz and even looking. At. You know -- you know I've talked about this they've they stopped to me I was walking to work and they stop me there was four of himself. And and I appreciate the call and and -- you can reinforced this but it's my understanding -- because senator. Of the that in effect there was four of them -- one of me that it would have been easier for me to claim self defense and use a gun but it would be somebody you know one on one situation. Definitely because we're talking about what we call a disparity of force four on one is a disparity of force. The infant has to think that you can defend yourself against four people was is -- on reasonable expectation. Abbott is somebody. That this is where some Americans. And I used the word some. This is where some Americans become what I think is to gun happy. Somebody stops me somebody in -- my progress on a sidewalk. I at no point should you think about taking out a gun at that point just because they they stop what they're doing may be wrong and anybody has a right to ask anybody question my guest right but what they're what they're doing may be wrong but that's not of point to just point a gun and shoots -- Now it's not I mean you can question their ability to stop you there authority to do so. Gorgeous. Ignore them and cross the street is probably a better move and see if they try to stop you again -- I mean that would be a different. Tactic would. There's a lot that doesn't seem to be understood by everybody when it comes to stand your ground lawless got a few more minutes for Dave Newman with concealed carry Nolan. And and -- certified pistol instructor registered with the Louisiana state police stay underground laws have got a lot of attention since the Arab is shooting a -- of on board even though George Germans defense did not specifically used Florida's stand your ground law. This idea that you can defend yourself is getting a lot of attention. Because there are laws on the books that allow you to use deadly force to defend yourself and protect your life and property against intruders. But maybe intruders is the key -- -- stand your ground laws in general have done is taken away the responsibility to retreat. If there's a chance to retreat. Dave Newman is in our studio he is firearms instructor with Kerry. Conceal carry no -- And also an NRA registered so that's a pistol instructor. There was -- on vacation in Texas and I've talked about this on the show before it happened in 2007. On the castle doctrine in Texas dissimilar to the stand your ground law. In an artist as a by the way we have a stand your ground -- in Louisiana don't desperate -- were among the twenty states that it has the -- I believe it's more important to them. My -- -- -- thirty experts but on the website. So this guy in Texas. Gets an argument with a neighbor. And he goes to her house. Gets into an argument he's videotaping the whole thing at one point he says. I'm standing -- ground. My life is in danger now these people are going to try to kill me. So it sounds like he was setting up his own defense when he was making this video he shot and killed her and injured two males who were with her. His self defense was one of the males. Lunged at him he felt like -- was in danger it's kind of hard to demonstrate that it's self defense when you go to somebody else's property. Right. And that's why I feel like it's important that you've used the the criteria for collusion which is means you should have done everything within your power to have avoided using deadly force in the first place. So that it's not questionable wasn't you know -- -- reasonable. I -- and then there's a K and again this is where. Some people seem to have the wrong idea about stand your ground. There's another case in Texas where tornadoes between nine cents was stolen from the tip jar at a Houston taco truck. 24 year old was shot and killed the owner of the taco truck ran him down when he tried to escape with the cash. And fired into the get away car hitting him in the back. And killing him and it was ruled justifiable homicide. -- could've gone either way. Yeah I'd have to read more about that case I'm not familiar with them and -- -- I am familiar with the firemen case I think he had his his fears were not reasonable and that. From Gulfport but a year and -- VW well. -- thank you quick question today about just -- honest -- on media restrictions placed on computer card holders. -- -- To be since. Well -- the restrictions -- Not being carried -- -- all of doubt it though. You can schools and sort -- -- -- restrictions are there any restriction. Should should a little bit. I think some of them should be lifted devoted to we'd have to go into detail on each one of them. Recently there was a deal that was attempted to detest two clear the conflicted about alcohol beverage outlets between classy and class B. In other words carrying in a restaurant which is class. And I think that we should utilitarian restaurant so. The bill was shot down and from what I understand it was mainly due to open carry people to you know upset about it they weren't included soon. -- I agree with you some of them should be changed some of my I understand why there. -- -- -- -- -- -- I -- so I'm like people entering your. Column illustrate. That. Work for. Court expects all of it. Out by Austria -- are they did. It's it's worth the while work is the problem though. It's duke -- permit. To. That's placed on. Well I mean that's your opinion you're definitely entitled to. I think that having a permit. You know. Those transitory periods between your car in your home. You know I don't always wanted to but I don't want people to know I've filed. So if I can carry concealed when I'm outside of my car and not in my home. You know therefore I don't allow people to know that I have a firearm and therefore either not deal -- for them to wanna take my filed forming your. You know I don't think it's necessary for people to -- live fire sale. By employees told -- listing a day before we what you go to get -- tax break here's a text that. As the question Escude I own a business. That I have to. Bring opening cash to every day. I carry a gun with the money from my truck to my business -- I need a C and C permit. No he doesn't this open carry is legal and and the state Louisiana and in that circumstance I'm all for don't care how easy is it to just go buy a gun. Hey it's pretty easy I mean nine everybody is subject to a background check down. It's other than that it's not very difficult. You you don't have to take it collects. You don't have to take blast should shoot guns should journalists be required to take classes. I don't think so but -- you know I can understand why some people might argue that point. I think that people should want to know more about their firearms I'm often amazed how many people don't even read their owners' manuals but. When it's an honest answer from somebody who would benefit from everybody having to to get a permit if they own a -- -- yeah I'm for the right to keep and bear arms but at the same time like always say you should have the proper knowledge skills and attitude if you're gonna -- -- Dave Newman is ripped concealed carry Nolan NRA certified pistol instructor registered with the Louisiana state police state as always thanks for being on our show thanks to an effect can make one more point your quick. I wanna make this point about stand your ground stand your ground laws. Go hand in hand with the presumption of innocence without stand your ground defenders forced to prove that retreat was not possible. X entirely negating the presumption of innocence that we all should -- good point I'm screwed for spotlight every WL.