Sep 4, 2013|
Tommy talks to Neill Franklin, the Executive Director of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, about whether legalizing marijuana in the US would be a good or bad thing
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Tommy talks to WWL-TV reporter Meg Farris about a new report that New Orleans had more drug-related deaths than homicides.
Tommy talks to State Representative Cameron Henry about the current state and the future of TOPS.
Tommy talks to David Howard, Professor in the Dept. of Health Policy and Management at Emory University, about the state of Obamacare going forward.
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We move on now the Obama administration has decided not to get involved with federal laws. As it relates to marijuana when states have made that legal. At a pretty jaguar opinion poll asking you would legalizing marijuana in the United States be a good thing. Or a bad thing 55% of you logging on line -- -- good thing. Will talk about that this -- against Neil Franklin executive director of law enforcement. Against prohibition good morning nearly Dylan. Take a more intimate things -- mile. Thank you for those that haven't been following this explain to any technically what it was exactly. That the Obama Justice Department said they were gonna do and we're not gonna do. Just -- -- -- clear Washington State and Colorado. Beat citizens -- states. Voted last November -- voter referendum. To legalize marijuana detects and regulates for recreational use. Is so they are putting forth policy. In which studies which will become effective January 1 in those states. And pretty much what the Obama administration has said the office Eric Holder. Department of Justice. Is that we're gonna allow you to move fall we're not in the file -- not gonna follow an injunction. -- on the set forth a list of priorities. Guidelines. I'm parameters. That we would likely to stay. If you. Don't want the federal government to intervene. And -- Elisa beat I don't. Such as ensuring that marijuana is not distributed to minors. That the proceeds don't go to criminal gangs organizations. That is no diversion of marijuana from. -- -- cross state lines from the states and -- state you know and some other things that are pretty much common sense. A list of common sense items guidelines to build. And get our definitions straight legalization and decriminalization. Two different things. Absolutely. A lot of people think did decriminalization. Would be the way to go and the difference between the two to decriminalize. That means there -- be no criminal penalties. Up placed upon a person for possessing for personal use. It does nothing to attack the illegal distribution market and organized crime and gangs. Clear I mean -- Legalization. Means we're going to do something similar to alcohol we're gonna provide regulation and control. We're going to providing mechanisms for distribution for selling legally. Two adults. It would you know similar to call for the most. And put a stamp on it in Texas almost. Absolute -- because right now these these these organized crime crime gangs and and -- -- -- cartel. They're making raking in billions from marijuana and there's no taxes being -- whatsoever. So what happened in Washington and Colorado is not decriminalization. But legalization and that's what we were just talking about the Obama Justice Department. Absolutely let me just demonstrate the importance. Taxed and regulated legalization purses become a base -- the guys remember alcohol prohibition of in 1920. And I am getting a lovely night Norah I don't remember it -- come on. -- they'll vote to. Count but. You know I mean yeah so after thirteen years ago violence in Chicago and other cities in and indeed -- didn't. Around the country Al Capone but he's the one is getting to saint Valentine's Day murder after thirteen years. Of this increase murder rate in the country. Citizens decide it. Although it was a noble attempt it was a bad idea it and now all -- this. Alcohol prohibition. Was decriminalization. Of all it would -- eighteenth amendment. Stated that it was only illegal to manufacture. Transport and to sell call not to -- I tell -- about -- law enforcement against prohibition the organization for which you are the executive director. If we're an international nonprofit organization of law enforcement professionals -- eleven years old as an organization. -- flown by fire police officers eleven years ago. These were cops that -- spent the majority of their careers on the front lines of the one -- working undercover. And so on managing drug task forces and he came to realize you know what. The initial goals of this prohibition was not working. Crime was not going down -- drugs were not coming into the country. We head disease and at depth we have addiction rates that we're extremely high enough and was improving. And then you realize you know what we've been here before -- alcohol prohibition regarding violence and somebody other unintended consequences. So we new organization has now round. Do not get police officers but judges criminal prosecutor. Federal agents. Prison wardens. We -- branches and six other countries other than the United States. And we haven't speakers' bureaus so we're we have over a 100000 supporters globally. And we have a speaker's bureau of 160 plus men and women who travel the globe. Speaking about the arms of prohibition. And the need for ending it. And coming up with this system of regulation and control. That's the way we will be used to violent state this money away from criminal gangs. These neighborhood gangs that we have fighting each other incident likes to call them -- more I'm from. Are just devastating communities and in the murder rate Guillen is extremely -- in the country like now one out all purpose and -- He'll get a couple more minutes. I'd hang on -- and I guess shall take phone calls. ID 260187. He told 386 exit 890878. Yet any questions for Neil Franklin executive director of law enforcement against prohibition of marijuana you heard. What he has to say about it and I'm presume -- do you agree with what the Justice Department. Has decided. You 100 assemble what they have -- that is really it is very good first step two -- This madness and their country. Thank you sir are ready jaguar opinion poll would legalizing marijuana -- in the United States -- good. Or a bad thing in 77%. Of viewers saying it's a good thing. We'll be right back on WWL. Tommy Tucker 9:23 Wednesday morning let you Willis and we're talking about. The Obama administration's. Decision to. Not use it as they said limited resources to. To pursue federal law I guess is it relates to. The states and enforcing federal law when it comes to do marijuana use of marijuana where states have made it. Legal of course there are some restrictions on there were talking a Neil Franklin executive director of law enforcement. Against prohibition and hard WWL pretty jaguar opinion poll was asking you using the legalization. A marijuana would be a good thing or bad thing and about 77% of you were saying -- -- beat. A good thing we'll take your phone calls at 260187. He till 3866. It 8908 -- and meal for those that are driving around right now -- sitting in their office cubicle. Or at home and think and man and a million early I understand the criminal aspect of this but if you would legalize this stuff. People are going to be hit the bonds and Roland on joints and didn't stoned out of their minds who would you say it. Well first and ultimately 7% of your listeners are. I'm well educated business. -- yet that's a good point we can prove a demographically though they're not. Hot heads that are listed in the WW well. Absolutely but let me let me speak to this an advocate a clear point here. I'm only crazy Tommy but knowing that drugs are not going away. That it had been on the planet we've been using them for century. And under a policy the prohibition. Drove the amount of -- coming into this country continue to increase so million. Therefore we need to manage the existence of these drugs end the use of these drugs within our community. Call me crazy but the best plan in my opinion is not placing. These into the hands of criminals. And get. Demand within our community. You know and I know you listen to someone OK so so what about in -- -- here. -- Toshiba and gateway theory with marijuana it's not marijuana. It is the environment of prohibition that is being late for drug. Think about this we have drug dealers on our corners. Hiring children. Recruiting children into this deadly game. To push marijuana and to push people -- other. They -- children. And these children until drug also within our schools. And so so that that the crux of the problem and -- gateway they're now people driving around thinking more people wanna you. Thought. Anyone who wants to use marijuana Tommy you know what they're using Merrill -- Already they're not gonna be inclined to do this because it's legal. Well think about it OK if I am using Maryland today. But I will use it under legalize. Gains. That means among law abiding citizen isn't that correct. Okay now. That means it if from a law abiding citizen. And I'm using marijuana or any other drug and I'm not gonna drive and influence right. Yeah. So when it comes to other drugs and people -- gonna say we're looking to get legalize that months legalize everything what what is -- say about that. -- -- legalize everything. Fine piece keen from managing drug within our communities causes. We don't take control that it would you don't remove as much Greek owner complaints about nine counts. Where people will be required to issue ID to prove that they are 21 years of age or what -- it needs is going to be according to your community. If we don't do that. We're gonna continue to ventured down this. Drug dealers and our callers had and she's having -- running gun battles. Hiring our children. It's it's a deadly drug when expertise spies bite. These criminals and organized gangs. So. Something. Becomes when he times works. Now our organization does not for promote the use of any. These illicit drugs including the ones that -- illegal tobacco and alcohol we believe that you should -- country. But the bottom line you know I've got over three decades of law enforcement under my belt and worked undercover manage. Multi jurisdictional drug -- forces 91 time in the Baltimore. Area of Merrill. And three decades ago when I took -- -- cocaine off the street you know what the prices would go up. And the drug dealers would be scurrying around to find more to -- we can take forty -- off the street which we didn't. Quite frequently. In the street doesn't even blink. There -- more drugs coming in in this country than ever before it's not gonna change is no way we can stop in this we disclosed down on borders and stop crime commerce. And we're already in an economic disaster in the country so we can't do that big. And of drug dealers scurrying around if you were to legalize drugs that we have now I. You know I see in New York there's a drug that's going around now a new designer drug where they had to shut down a concert early because of two deaths compared to drug dealers go and do something else do they. Resort to burglary get legitimate -- -- jobs do they just start peddling designer drugs that are not legal. Criminals are going to be criminal. Gang is going to remain gangsters and and I'll find something else to do it all and now also. But most people. We're selling drugs to make money. Arm near opportunist and I know that for that because I have been in the -- locking them up for decades. Most American people who see an opportunity. -- to make a lot of money. From a buried very small and that that's the problem with driving that market for drug underground. We've inflated the prices of these drugs that are virtually work in the legal. You know illegal commodity. And any especially when your and in. And environment here in this country where jobs -- scare. -- and the economy is as -- -- so many people venturing Dan -- -- -- continue to -- more but unfortunately because it is underground. That's where the violence comes to trade. As people try to protect their market share in the -- no one's going to report being ripped off for rob buy and other drug dealer or by historical -- And in -- where the problems come. Let me throw in one question before we run out of town that time I think it's pretty -- -- Texas a -- and a business I know I want to got to come to work ready to work it becomes -- drunk it's pretty easy to tell. Maybe incapacitated. It's better but if he comes in high on marijuana without drug testing how do I know. -- -- -- Employers can -- -- the same training police offices do and they become drug -- -- drug recognition expert. And it's created itself to look and so -- and he did something it's not right now he may not be in detail exactly what drug they're. But they're telltale signs. That our leader Neil if we're trying to. Do this deal on wanna rush you. Finally talk about those signs won't come back don't argue about prescription pain medication. Which seems to be a growing problem in this country don't deal a bit more time. The -- -- Neil Franklin executive director of law enforcement against prohibition. And eighty disagree we'd love to hear from me at 260187. He told free. 86688908. Said he as a matter of fact you can -- present the other side because we had somebody lined up they canceled. At the last minute and -- would be more than happy to doctor -- right now time for -- WL first news. And tonight we go to Chris Miller Tommy Tucker talking to Neal Franklin executive director of law and poisoning -- prohibition. But legalization of marijuana the Obama administration last Thursday in this kind of got. Caught up in -- Labor Day weekend and got lost decided not to enforce federal law in states where they made it legal there are some. Restrictions that that is basically it. In a nutshell and we're asking you would legalization of marijuana in the United States be a good thing or bad thing in about three fourths of viewers saying. It'll be a good thing and -- is has said in and I hope I'm. Reporting accurately Euro repeating accurately would use that -- that your basically in favor of legalization of of the all drugs -- that they're in the the criminal. Element would go away and lord knows we know the effects of that with an eleven year old. Being shot and killed. Monday I think it was Sunday and then we had a one year old that we shot and killed and we know the effects of a drug gangs and violence here. In new loans well would you take you organizations to take you beyond. Pain pills because CDC says there's a hell of a problem with prescription narcotics in the abuse of those. In the United States today. -- and first let me begin with that that education is really the key to reducing drug use of any kind. In this country and around the globe so people need to realize that treatment also played with. A vital role there because unfortunately we do that people who become addicted but I think that we may need something good here the DC because. The control. The management of regulatory. -- these prescription drug market that falls within the purview of the DEA Drug Enforcement Administration. And right now on the -- squandering. Their limited resources and so Eric Holder was referring to. Squandering your limited resources. In marijuana -- enforcement around the country what they should be doing. -- -- woman dying from smoking marijuana. Because there's not one recorded debt to my knowledge from the indigestion. Of marijuana when you compare that to prescription drugs we have thousands of people dying every year from overdoses. In this country. But from heroin as well but you would have that made legal would you now. Well oh absolutely that would probably make it legal on the and -- -- comment on that. And the second. These this prescription drugs people think that they are safe because they're made by pharmaceutical companies then. You know you see advertisements on TV and people think they're safer then -- like Carol. Well you see -- see -- advertisements for. Prescription medications but Ninth Ward narcotic pain medicine -- Well it's different name. And and you know and. And I've never seen a commercial from -- in in north. Or her epicenter any of these things I mean celebrate again but now. Don't have to because. People view prescription drugs as yet that person. Scripture because it comes from a pharmacy because I don't like how many Baxter to a far efficient doctor recommends and you get prescriptions in global box got to. -- the bottom line -- you know. A bite him from the united mine and from a guy on a corner and even if you are. They -- the original source was. Big manufacture big pharma not a guy cooking it up on his kitchen and a ratty apartment somewhere. Right to the DEA needs the focused on line. Pharmacies they need to focus -- -- -- they need to focus one doctors who are reading these scripts. And not keeping track of -- writing them too many -- you right into. You know and and keeping track of pharmacy records and databases and find out how many times one person has gone to this pharmacy chain pharmacy. And receive these pills. But if you would make heroin legal why would you not make. Like in -- over the counter why would you not make per cent. -- amid volatile over the counter without a prescription if you do that Maryland. There's already a mechanism. For people to obtain legal. That's what we're. But what do you make heroin available -- and I'm not arguing I'm just trying to understand would you make. -- available by prescription only. I -- updated community. That's up to the state that's up to eight counties that talk to a city and the people who live with it. To devise what the regulatory. Scheme would look like. I've become a police officer. My expertise is in law enforcement and drug enforcement. So in order to devise -- scheme that works for your particular community. We need to bring it right people to the table -- to bring educators and health practitioners and economists and government officials and law enforcement. And all the people who have a look at -- expertise that would be needed to devise a policy that would work for you in your community I can't dictate. Right but I guess I'm looking -- Neil from an economic standpoint which in -- -- I think has allowed to do with plumbing. In that ED you can -- applied here but if you have a hold down there it's gonna leak out or. Is eventually like water and are gonna reach its levels so if you legalize marijuana. But prescription pain pills are still. Available by prescription only and there's a market for that. Well then you're still gonna have a black market and then would you not have drug dealers shoot them down on the street. For the prescription pain pill market is always going to be something I guess. It's always going to be something that you have to. You know manipulate find out where the weaknesses aren't continue to make those adjustments the problem that we have today with prohibition. There aren't there is no mechanism for making these adjustments. Here's we only have one example one pieces history that we can even go -- war. You know I don't want to speculate that in the net and and think that this may. You know I look. Historian. Some. And I believe we shouldn't be making the same mistakes that we made in Japan it. You know is identical to alcohol prohibition -- but it's the only similar example that we had to. Toward -- alcoholic still huge problem in this country the -- What people do when -- time now call the people who -- dying from ingesting alcohol yet it's it's. It's a big problem but the one thing we don't wanna do. Is go back to the prohibition about now and bring a criminal element back into the picture. Along with the -- violence and crime and corruption. In all those -- That accompanied alcohol prohibition -- and nineteen -- We have to do our best to manage it from a health perspective and from a educational perspective that's what we need to do with these other. So when he comes to the violence that we see in the inner cities. Is there any empirical data that shows. Whether this is about heroin whether this about prescription pain pills whether this. Violence is about cracker what percentage of it is directly related. To marijuana or doesn't matter. That's very easy to figure out. It is which product during in the most amount of money for the least amount of work. And right now that product is marijuana. It's easiest to produce. It is easy to sell you have -- very large customer base. It I mean. 60%. But the proceeds around the -- That fall into the hands of these criminal gangs and cartels that are selling these drugs 60% that. Comes from Merrill want. And they didn't get into meth and heroin and cocaine. Cocaine and heroin then bring up. Unity people behind marijuana and then comes -- and you know year. Your first group prescription drugs were not exactly sure where that falls in among. Met then and heroin but I don't think it's anywhere in the year. You know what what the ones -- are that we then. So we've had a legal for a number years. -- and DUI guess you could also make a case that if you were to make -- money illegal maybe that would shut down the market for the illegal drugs because that would. That would be more readily available on -- -- we're out of time I appreciate your taken so so much your day Willis and I know we'll talk to you again. Sort of make their -- Franklin executive director of law enforcement against prohibition.