When the story broke yesterday about Louisiana. Legislative auditor and the report that they NO PD might be monkey around with the statistics to make. It's seem as though there's less violent crime in the city seem like I heard about this before and it went back and looked at. Ronald surpass when he was in Nashville and he claimed that he had reduced crimes and by so much in now remarkable. Figure that the reduction there and remembering from a channel five in -- story here. Chief -- has pointed out that auditors found that the department was trying to fix the problem still several offices tell me. This quote says they were just doing what their commanders told them as in Nashville now playing a numbers game to make their precincts look good. To the chief and that was before Ronald surpass. Came here so. I think he you gotta ask is does the chief always find himself in an incredibly. Weird situation where there's statistic question doesn't happen all over the country with every chief for. Does Ronald surpass have a problem when it comes to keep in statistics -- going Nancy joins us right now with the metropolitan crime commission help us. Sort all this saga -- Raphael how are you. Thanks for taking the time -- this let's start with you here in on new loans the Louisiana legislative auditor what exactly did he say your duty fine. Well. Look where it's awkward which reviewed about -- and potentially problematic. So much and there. Are are. -- that simple -- narrow police department points out that. Although more ordered shut up I'll calls -- -- -- Well all about it I don't about -- person air. So what does it auditors looked at. Problematic. High potential for error. Category of in general about third -- our report. But the police are. Out or it. Our. -- are steadily. -- so so big big -- audits and questions about police statistics. You know you mentioned earlier this problem that just seems to follow sheets workers are around. -- an international problem and the answers smaller and national -- Because these reports the UCO our statistics. That are compiled. Locally in -- -- -- would never intended to be. What they've -- vault into around the country great involved into an annual report part. On police departments they were never intended to be there. So these UCR statistics. Are in many instances used. Our cities from market themselves as being -- Britain in the competition. Being used by politicians run on the platform the reform. Public safety and make the communities safer. In these statistics are humans too. -- the political careers of many politicians. So there'd never -- intended to be a report call. We're port cart and end all be well how effective. -- law enforcement agency is in there and scandals all over the country. -- law enforcement agencies that are under reported car. So it's not fair than from what you're saying assay again and isn't clear this up from what I said earlier that. There's a problem that follows chief surpassed specifically around because. Police chief -- -- move from -- -- the other I don't know stories have been done but. Fact of the matter is the methodology. Is what's flawed or the the way they're used in the results of the methodology. -- -- -- you know basically. Since -- in the referred to as the report card. This is more let's -- the the pupil the student. -- there'll papers on all this ski -- this in perspective. Richard Richard Pennington was the -- morals police department there were allegation should they were investigations. -- at that -- the opposite municipal investigations. Are concluded that police. At least part of it under reported the U she arc on the touched Richard Pennington denied there. And when you left New Orleans and went to Atlanta the first thing that he did this year. What does all crimes statistics on his predecessors and found. That his predecessors. Grossly under reported crime in Atlanta. So insert you know that's an example of how this has really become more. A natural question. About this I believe that they're more important indicators. A power sector well police department is being used here are crimes to. They let let me take a break for traffic when we come banking -- -- maybe the better way to do -- the more effective stats to look at. Hi Raphael going to today I guess that. President -- smiling crime commission executive officer -- -- rescue raffia. And that's about it. -- -- -- calls to 6018720386. Exit 890 -- at any questions. Or comments about this not necessarily Ronald surpassed problem problem with. Though the way these statistics are being uses a report card on crime when they were not intended for that originally. 61 coming back in a flash right now time for -- -- -- Tommy Tucker 6 money for Tuesday morning and if you just get in the car things for. Did new day start it would this year we're talking -- -- going into a president in the metropolitan crime commission and we're talking about the the legislative auditor report that said the NO PD might be under reporting crime but. Raphael just told us that that and I brought it up the idea this had happened seemingly to the chief in Nashville. And now here and news does that trouble follow the chief wherever he goes and -- fields thousands it's a national problem because. These stats evolved VCR -- which uniform crime report raffia. Really evolved into a report card and when it was not intended for that so. It seems like sometimes cities as you said use it as a selling point for how safe their city isn't. -- the police chief sometimes user opted to she uses stats VCR to show how. I'm successful they are in in reducing violent crime so. Hi how you fixed so this get everybody on the same page but has it seems like when in the numbers look good everybody's quick to grab onto them and use them. Well of course and and and really what would be significant. Additional that the police department has manipulated the statistics. It goes to relieve the integrity of the police department not just that you know PD in any department that would play games with the statistics. For any. Political or personal advantage that would be derived from so. That is a concern in is worthy. Investigations. And track. There is there any -- parallel investigation being conducted by city inspector general's office. And they will be pushing the report sometime and in the near future. You know historically. When there has been downgrading and should be your New Orleans it never once in my opinion. Department -- policy it was something that was more localized. Within certain districts up in the world's police department. With the inspector general's salt which is doing users. Rather than trying audit every call or circus. That goes -- be dispatched -- They're being more focused and looking. A district court districts and determining if there're any problematic. Classification. With respect to reporting crime and -- an individual districts so that'll be in the interest and report when that becomes public in the near future. So -- would be the better way nationwide to get everybody on the same page if you were gonna use on them like this as a report card is. Is there on methodology units of real similar way to keep track of them. Well keep keep this in that -- Yaris reported crimes. And not every crime that you report. And the F via cautions people that the picture not. Use these -- use our reports. As a comparison. As to how safe. A community years. So -- you know what crime commission has done locally. Years we've been tracking. The arrest convictions because ultimately. We're a law enforcement -- and make. In impact. In public safety. Is in responding to that calls for service. -- turn things they're. Investigating nostrils were -- making an arrest. And the question becomes -- -- a -- result in conviction because it that. Then it's true. And what we've done is we've been tracking the felony arrests post-Katrina. Made about an -- police department. And determining what their arrest and conviction ratio arched. So after the store. Under prior administration. It's the arrest and conviction ratio. Which and the -- warnings 20%. Nationwide. The averages 56%. Now so all over the last. Three or four years. 120%. Arrest or conviction ratio between the world's police department war was district attorney -- which has risen to 44%. So that it is almost toppling the arrest and conviction ratio. In a short period of time and what's happened now is the police department mr. -- -- -- -- rather than being sized organizations. Are now war. Connecting that the communicating in court meeting there are efforts in ways that we never seen before mentioned you were lynched and what they're able to do. It is they're able to more. -- -- The most serious lenders which are centers particularly crimes of violence and weapons of characters. And the police make an error an. It's more. Likely now that those -- rational so convictions and has those violent and repeat and weapons offenders. -- convicted. Those of the types of individuals majorities traditionally sentenced to lengthy jail terms in the street department of corrections. Cheney said come. That did not every crime is reported but it would also think not everything that's reported turns out to be crime. Of course of course -- 270000. Calls or servers there was only about 28000. Of them always in the park one. Category. A mean person -- and make them well. And saved that. You know my house which -- well. You know until we don't know law your house can't be predictable robbery. Burglary. Or could be. Or you know it could be. You know someone they trespassed on your property. And when something -- nets and straight. So that's where you know the police department that's -- -- and talked to the victim -- the facts. And determine whether that was in fact in part one. -- -- -- So transparency. Criminal damage is not gonna be hard won it stretched but I stepped. Or a burglary will be. So you know that in and an impact there. There was a potential crime committed doesn't ever in that direction which -- actually that was one of the categories. That the -- comment. That in many instances. Some of these these reports. -- turned the police arrived on the scene there was no and to be right. And the fact is going to be our products in part the low power within the orange to. In response time exactly Raphael appreciate your time I really do very informant and we'll talk to you again have a great day to.