Oct 30, 2013|
Garland talks with Will Ward, president/CEO of Captain's Finest Seafood, and Harry Lowenberg of the Gulf Restoration Network about the depletion of fisheries in the Gulf of Mexico.
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It a lot of very different very -- subject to appear in the old think -- Wouldn't reading through -- -- where a couple of days ago. I hit one we're we're talking about -- from talking about surface long and greens the careers -- as we gear. So forth and so on a lot of it has to do with and a depletion of harm marine species. While but it has to do with illegal fishing. Lot of it has to do with regulations. Bob we got some building problem out there and here in the suit you would talk about it. World war mr. -- license where abuse coach -- as a merchant marine also president. -- -- captains by in his seat with a walk should -- companies they ask her Laura berg gulf restoration network Fisher's round the world being threatened and Hillary your your real details about it is in more. -- we get into this this is all part of the goldfish forever campaigning in -- are one of you tell me about it. Well it like it says gulf fish forever worried. Little bit closer okay. So and that's a campaign that we coordinated at the gulf restoration network. Two. Pay attention to our our resource in the Gulf of Mexico that we don't use it up that we that we have Fishburne now. And for the future that we've done. We have really have to pay attention about. We'll orchard to welts you know the industry's. Long term ability industry has kind of perspective that might have been there was endless supply and in our oceans in the -- in particular since -- in my film has been there since 1909 and Florida. We've learned the hard way that it's just not the case Carlin is just you have to be able to make plans for good fishery management sustainability that's what it's all about. Building a business plan a model for restaurant tours like that spoke with the -- Brennan's last night Dickie Brennan function. You know it's important and that fish today but like just as Terry mentioned it's really important about and fish and have no business plan for. Times in the future as well so we've got to sit back and make plans accordingly and have fish for today and for tomorrow. I wanna get into all the issues you guys broke with -- -- -- -- anybody's. Involved with -- Marines situation. Your restaurant to warriors -- Including both you. Do. Our -- their position. All along the coach and they're not that bought some places there. Half mile of the places a couple of months. And I think most Louisiana and to move people in the country. Being the little baby for a little bit and read patients backs brought golf and they get born grow up there. But if those things don't come back into that afterward and presto change O over the life. No more. Brent Barry that whole nation depends on. On the gulf for seafood and the seafood in the gulf depends on the weapons for its flights and we're gonna talk about depletion seafood group finishing. Longhorns shouldn't be there and etc. But do you see any movement on that report in understanding. A business people politicians in the general population. That that little issue where is very -- category three. Come in the right direction could wipe out those. Anybody doing anything about it. Not only that but it's also our protection and we'll get some good news soon. I think fifth to Louisiana master plan is an excellent. An excellent document that needs to be funded -- needs to be it needs to be worked and followed and in it it puts us. Our state ahead of all of the other states -- with a plan ready to go on on how to. Responsive oil spill. But beyond that it's something that we needed a long time ago and we're playing catch up with. Well we only need fifty billion. Yeah. Just only right Garland back to your point though about the importance of weapons have been involved with it for my whole life and I can tell you. It is absolutely essential absolutely essentially have strong winds in this country in the southeast. Over ninety somewhat percent of all of our course for Japan and recreational independent fisheries. Have early life cycles in the directly dependent on the story not just for -- -- dispersed but for the early Mars and larvae. And their grow out too small juvenile sizes. And then through the reproductive ranges and all of those things so. That we don't have successful healthy estuaries in what went our fisheries are gone. And they are being decimated and -- and as you know from storms. Building on the coastline access to other things and from lack of planning here's the thing you -- spot on it there's no vision. For real golf flight plan and it Louisiana's taking a lead here and Harry's elicited today is very wise in saying so but. Florida through Louisiana all through Texas which would have planned. A major -- visiting the plan a national plan for the national level government. To make sure that our estuaries and wetlands are repaired restored and have have a dependency on fourteen. Billion dollar annual business that's. The effect that's the driving economic driver that we're talking about -- hundred and abouts 170000. Jobs directly to sensitivity. Directly dependent that's not even indirectly -- has upwards of seven figures there so. It's well worth it economically it's well worth that ecologically. And for the traditions you know wish to traditions isn't in Louisiana but the culture and along through the whole Gulf Coast. All right -- and come back talk more about the golf and I would submit should learn from those you've had no hope for. Yeah of course and we have via virtual windows 260170. Told bring. Anywhere in the country -- it and it and steroids WW Tokyo. Think about something a little different the goldfish -- ever campaign. And it happens to do what multiplicity of complicated subject to the two experts and this campaign will award went to her -- her. Gentlemen I want him to leave me through the -- girl and to those that that concerns me all replenished and and taken illegally a foreign country. -- lead the way of what we talk about. Or. It will. One of the areas that I've been working on Goran most recently as. The illegal fishing has been going all for illegal fishing fleets but in essence coaching. From the US fleets them for the US stocks of the fisheries. Without having much recourse legal recourse and there's two bills that. I've been working with the industry and others and NGOs and other organizations are concerned about it. The international fishery stewardship and enforcement act -- senate bill 269. And the parrot fishing elimination. Cynical to 67. Both of pass the senate commerce and transportation. Committee and there are going to be before the senate hopefully there's -- house version. -- 69 and what they really do is. There's been a big increase Garland and illegal fishing by foreign fleets along the coastlines. -- of Mexico. Coaching and in Texas waters for a waters off Louisiana and the collegiate fisheries and not. And what is occurring is that there's these foreign vessels not domestic US -- Because of the lax treaties we have we can contradict and we can in -- stop them. Interdict them at -- but because of lax regulations. And the week treaty's in place right now on the multitude of treaties that we are -- forcing in international waters. We don't can't do much to them except send them back. At least two -- pursue the -- they stop this and that. Allows the coast court. State enforcement agencies to to stop these muscles and then hold them to US standards and US lost. And also furthermore once they're on a registry. And we know that they are engaging in illegal activities such as illegal fishing but it doesn't end there. Human trafficking. Drug smuggling those -- illegal activities can concurrently. We can now. Forbid them to enter US ports currently under international law you can't forbid a vessel from entering US -- if they're engaged in certain activities. You're very very limited which can do because of international law so these two pieces of legislation sample to 69 senate -- 267. Go along -- ending illegal fishing. Illegal drug interdiction on issues and the coaching that goes on in US waters in -- we just can't. Sit back and try to rebuild our fisheries and then let foreign and international -- Come and coach and he was what you -- -- push back on the view on the thus far they passed unanimously that you go thinking that I'm. When can Democrats and Republicans alike agree on anything about never leaving congress right. Find out it. Call the Pope could be Catholic -- yes it is at the it's -- calling of the Pope because so far so good unanimously passed the state senate commerce and science committee. So far so good that that doesn't mean were done with it when we started campaign it's called the no illegal fishing dot com and campaign. And any of your listeners that would be interested in supporting this effort to contact your local congressman congresswoman. Let them know look you you don't want stand for a foreign vessels coming in engaging illegal activities in US waters. And then we can't do anything to them because -- trees are so weak that we don't allow them to be prosecuted. We've got a subject them to the same regulations that US fishermen have been subject to. And we do need regulations and honestly absolutely or fishing is an issue. We're trying to rebuild these stocks we've worked real hard to try and turn this. Battleship around to rebuild our nation's fisheries but we can't allow -- to go take place and then some you know. In essence eviscerate all the hard work that we're trying to do in this country. Generated. So -- with the that the issue I've been working on for the past. Just a year for me -- and half is -- protecting the bluefin tuna and transitioning. A two more sustainable fishing gear from the long line fishing -- to some of the alternatives. And us that this is you know it's as Wilson and we've got to keep the the foreign illegal fishing. Out and under control but we also have to pay attention our own. Fishing fleet. Noah National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration fisheries is. In a four year -- -- at the end of a four year process. Reissuing the rules for -- -- managing bluefin tuna which are amazing fish. The bluefin tuna. Are highly my -- -- highly migratory species. That migrate all the way from Nova Scotia down to the Gulf of Mexico. Every year on your specific. And specifically to -- on. Good golf is the only known spawning area for the western Atlantic bluefin. On the eastern Atlantic bluefin. -- in the Mediterranean and they do swim back and forth across them. Across the Atlantic but between the Mediterranean. And and the gulf. The only reason that that the blue pin and her into the gulf is to -- on and it's only the spawning age gluten that comment. So it has to be in. Off limits to fish for blue -- in the gulf. However they get caught incidentally. By the long line fisheries and and long lines are. Thirty to 45 mile long fishing lines that -- in the water again that's just hard to thirty miles to 45 miles of fishing line and put in the water or books. Books but usually 750. Plus hook sometimes over a thousand votes. And there there on average in the water for eighteen hours. And their fishing primarily for yellow fin tuna and swordfish at night. That they catch eighty different species. Fish including blue feet and -- Sail fish turtles. Dolphins sharks. And so there's a lot of -- to about 51%. Of the catch on the along in the long line fishery is waste in the long lines or legal. Curious you know and it's it's this this practice goes back 1950s at least. And and that the the guys to do long line fishing are wonderful they're wonderful people I've gotten to know them and there are. Tremendous admiration to risking their lives out there there. To do and hard work and family men. Date they support each other they build they build -- like barn race and they they built their own votes together. And it's in Louisiana there'll Vietnamese American fisherman and they inherit they've been hit hard with you what used to take them. Four to seven sets. To fill up their vote is now taking seventeen sets its oil spill what's -- set a set being way out the long lines and pick and Rebecca. So that you posted to that eighteen hour thing to go out for about three weeks at a time. And -- so that they used to. And with four sets they could fill up their vote for a seven now it's more like seventeen. And the fuel prices have gone up they're getting squeezed they're not making money they're looking for alternative themselves and we've gotten them involved in testing. Alternative here. Where we're. Talk about all of whom come back in the second half hour book. Before -- has something from Ohio when an application how big does blew open and open to. Bluefin can grow up to fifteen. Hundred pound. Ten mile ten feet and the average -- this is 550 pounds in six and a half feet and and how long has it taken can grow to -- To that size one note to reach spawning age I think is nine years and they can grow bacon they can live for forty or I've even seen eighty years but it. I. I'll go with a more conservatives that statistic which would be so supportive voice mattered if I think about a boat with thirty or forty miles of hooks behind certain. How do you sustain that population that seems like. Later it's taken me eight or nine years to get to that -- when -- as soon as the commercial weight right. 73 inches is you know some of the homicides. Big news that you that is very she's threatened. But what the species isn't threatened their species of concern of the losers. There's a hierarchy Goran a pal William -- regulates or. In essence categorized as the species. There's endangered most threatened of course then there's threatened -- their species of concern bluefin tuna currently -- species of concern. So thankfully they're not. Threatened or endangered but they still they still on the twenty rebuilding plan started in 1999 with 2019 they have to be rebuilt. -- spot on regarding that there a fraction of what they were once in the 1970s. So -- they need our attention I mean it. It's time during the bills assailant we need to do better on bluefin tuna we need to rebuild this fishery. We've lost 64%. Of the 1970 -- 06 importance. And it is that an expert in tool does it speed up as it goes along. Well we're in my opinion what I don't know you know I think it is if a lot of this is political to what you what you can call it. But in my opinion if if if we're not careful we will reach a point where the fishery can collapse because they're so few fish out there that they just can't reproduce. All right taking a break not a not a -- yeah that is is double uphill figured celebrity. And more fun to reopen and we'll be back are welcome back pro border were thinking about something called the goldfish for ever campaign. Talking about the species. That enter or being whittled down more and more. Talking about illegal fishing and number of others subject. One of the the figures -- guests will ward Harry -- bird. Showed me use during the break population of western Atlantic bluefin tuna that is more than. Real delicacies. Declined by 64%. Since 1970. Well at least overview when you when you said there's illegal fishing out there. In particular punishment from other countries. It went -- when -- the Coast Guard chasing who've -- boats get and and those who they're playing she's single drug vote. When receive. Oh. Bodyguard or rather. Beach guards. On their little scooters corner of people drowning yet that. But if you thousands of ships out there and it's a number of them large number of them. Are doing illegal activity and find in the -- get out of we have this. Personnel in the budget to. To regulate it and and. Watched that -- -- budgets always been an issue to start with so. That would be significant concern about whether -- not in the budget to -- -- it -- -- -- look at the budget another there's nothing attention these particular senate bills into sixteen under to 67 that. Allocate for more funding of the but here's what it does to him. In their regular protocol on the regular stop in their search and rescue missions and in their regular missions and patrols. Right now they're running into plenty of vessels plenty of them. That they can do limited things to already so at least what we can do. Is make better utilization of their time on the do board these vessels to give them the teeth in the laws and regulations in this country to let them go ahead and prosecute these people. Whereas now. Even though the question mentioned what he mentioned that there's thousand votes out there it's hard to delay and stop all of them. At least make it more efficient so that they do stop these -- the Coast Guard also and other note to this. The that all these different treaties we have to enforce so think of yourself as a Coast Guard -- boarding a vessel. Where's this vessel from is it from a a flag vessel that we have a treaty with. Or of our country that doesn't have a treaty so dependent -- these countries -- from -- completely differently. What these bills do it erases all of that in the race is all of language in these treaties that exists currently today and says there's going to be one protocol. You're treated universally the same way all of you B statement and -- it. By the standard of the US government -- the Mets Magnuson Stevens act which regulates fisheries in this country and then it makes it easier for enforcement makes it. The more difficult and increases the cost of illegal fishing which is really what we wanna do we want to dissuade these people so much so. That this is just a cost of business for them so they really are gonna stop illegal fishing human trafficking in drugs month. When you go to congress there due to the ever pull you into the hallway and say look you've got a great idea. But if we do this they're gonna claim we're doing something in their waters first thing you know we -- trade war going. Other and roadblocks to doing what to wanted to do politically. Well I mean people can find fault in anything when they -- a fun escape -- right. But if you really want to look at this as -- under principle which is that look. All or asking for is that if -- caught doing something that's illegal pitcher going to be held accountable just like American freshman and it seems fundamental to me. How can someone this thing in this nuclear story straight face in congress look at me and said. Well I'm not gonna treat them any worse than I would anyone else in international waters what they should be saying is that everyone's accountable. Everyone has a stake in these fisheries and if your gonna come into the United States Waterston coach but I got we're gonna take you pay for. Eric the bird thought of these mobile lines heard about it -- Orangemen. Thirty or forty miles hoax that that captures virtually anything and you've got something you're called greens the years that -- Well I I think it it's got a lot of potential Garland and it and I think it it gives us the opportunity for a win win on this is what is. So green stick is a 45 foot fiberglass pole. That pulls behind it. I think it's an 800 foot blinded. That it drags -- wooden bird they call it. And off of that -- ten. Ten individually tended lines and and and they have Robert squid -- That skims. Near the surface of the water. And this is targeting specifically for yellow fin -- though it's much more species specific along with those -- Well it just comes off that angle it's like a 45 degree angle so there as long as they need to be -- is not ten -- -- thirty your -- don't don't know it's there it is they're what they're doing is they're trolling with would that. Right at the at the vote so as soon as the fish gets on the line they are able to bring in and immediately. And they either keep that are releases immediately. -- -- and take a break right there more to come back and pick this up a couple million questions from. -- -- thinking about the depletion. Of the marine species not only around the world bullet. Here in the United States particularly the gulf were talking about illegal fishing. And two people where we will ward who is the approach -- CO kept -- finest seafood also. Lights and -- scored Coast Guard merchant terrible and bird -- restoration network. Trying to do something about it we'll be back. Did you look when it's fascinating subject long lines. Votes that actually have 3040 miles. Looks. Looking forward in numbers species -- soon to and in particular. In the process we've got to population. Via western Atlantic blueprint to those who want to echo. Have declined 64%. Since 1970. It would cut in the vision. And a couple of people that are trying to. Changed things like getting everybody where -- and so cute restaurant forced change anybody's throat it's what -- -- problem. -- -- -- can we talk about this we have we award -- the -- captain lights and what goes scored. Merchant marine also presidency you captain and his seafood horrible and -- go for us reaching network in and week or two point. By Kenny didn't kept that JUW Putin's. Given us a call of your plays appreciated the call. I'm on my -- -- only about the list of names and some current and I'm having to work so well what's on the Olympics are on here in the -- and owners -- What's more important my show or your -- -- you just stop cooking and this and for the an entire three and four of. -- right now. And it goes -- Trojans. You know this is this subject in general is probably one of the more contentious political. And went on. No one is happy. The big industries being. You know being forced on the isn't happy that he environmentalists are happy that recreational social epic commercial on epic. And it everybody that you -- -- -- -- And it. There's there's a lot of information out there that it's contradictory and well that's more -- and certainly. Read at all artery right left in the medal on call -- -- between. Yeah and a lot of it is and I'm not a dummy a lot of it. It takes me a lot of Reading to figure out. All the funding the study. You know who's providing money for the organization. You know there's some there's pretty slick. Information out there -- so. Like it's not a lot of different people talk to commercial fisherman are obviously out all by our first six we're. Well I talked to awhile and -- people you know we've been on efficient -- or twelve years is that official total -- sport fisherman. A good sport fishing as it would spear fishing. And I thought environmental people so it. The information is it moving org. Well I'd say one thing that you know. New Orleans is famous for you know in music probably for the first you know that I think that there -- biggest export. I think that people don't become nearly -- the -- -- the drinking party in the music. And your relationships are justifiably -- all of the world. And those. I missed your own ship properly including myself and company. Did not hit him as cooking chicken and pork and beef and lamb got him as a local city. And all -- Israeli. Organized Haley Bittermann last night core shipment growth record. We're talking about is where -- menus are we both try to do about 70% what they could. I'm looking at -- -- -- So evident in -- oral liquid. Ball and in the ten years well and those in the -- we've been open problem. You know -- first -- here in 98 record ship crew as they're called -- was with a broad orally random street wegmans -- advanced did not. Men and their worksheet local fish in real -- out of that neighborhood or church or there wouldn't them brought the dual band went on. Arm and this is it disappear off the market so. Relatively you know poor people did not access the anymore I I was an Atlanta during the eighties during the of the black and courage courage you -- Massive amounts of fish which were considered as the primary treasure there's no quote involved was not. -- illegal. Yeah I hate to rupture of broad word we're kind of running out of time to use in the entry to this to -- sweeping changes. Well. You know it and -- -- responses here you know if you want -- a bombshell at the area -- don't be surprised where the prosecution but you know that oppose closing. Of this area. You know what impact. You know that -- long -- in and -- just got to throw companion there everybody when when somebody says while books. You know if everybody that -- perfect storm. In -- efficient for swordfish. That long you know -- -- -- -- -- -- out real meant it and they target which were deficient to bite but he did not bet on that every. Yeah. And and certainly I think a lot of the old manager and that is to outlaw long treasury and the -- completely. You know related to chip away at it but that proposed closure. I think is gonna impact the yellow and to an industry which means that you know report month of the year I don't at the local -- and -- Model as a war swordfish or walk and you know and and I've been told literally thirty votes in the built and operated. If you put those go into business for four months of the year they're basically out of business. Let their -- will and Rory and -- any there there are other boats that can operate in and these same guys that are enthusiastic. About. The green state year. There are other opportunities and -- and and and they are not talking about clothes in the area about restricting. An area restrict the -- use an error and other -- restrict it to your question. Another -- and withdrawing their gonna restrict though long lining will be. Restricted but the alternative yours would not be and they're -- And experience and are ready are closed and two I would I would love to see that work. I think that what what try to get a chance to work if it works in the -- economics described. You know this is a great way to do it rather than what you. Chip were running out of time I appreciate you calling -- I'd love to get all three of you back into coaches even further. So like a very important topic to Paula does and I grew view -- -- regenerate -- Denny has been one of my teachers on this and I really values. That and he has. He has helped us to cut it to come to -- place where we think we've got a really good compromise. Opposition. That will transition to the more intelligent way of doing things. And something that people can do on this is to go to our web site which is helping golf dot org that's. Gulf restoration network with the help to go down -- there's a slide on there on the on the on the open page on bluefin tuna. And there is an action that they can take where is where they can. There's a sample letter to to the -- No fisheries. That they can edit and and send their own letter. To -- fisheries to with a progressive about. You would you look let's get to go into the showed an important topic sounds very complicated and I think we need to consider more of that -- Thank you both were confident and -- call you to come back. Luke thanks all right we come right back but eventually he'll do not goal or worried about Libya. And Toledo coming up -- We -- wonderful things happening your -- wonderful man named Chris ember. He is a natural health consultant he's gonna. 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