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10-31-13 10:10am Garland: on Louisiana's incarceration rate

Oct 31, 2013|

Garland talks with Marjorie Esman, executive director of the ACLU, and Kevin Kane, president of the Pelican Institute for Public Policy, about why Louisiana has the highest incarceration rate in America.

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Welcome back to the project. At 12 o'clock hour. Good news on a war. New Orleans onto -- and all we have more and more of them piling in here it seemed like and daily breeze and it Morton's new viewed today. What to -- in this Simon's preserving notes and blood food challenge. Hampered -- -- would and and rule in business canceled in inhibitions. That made him groceries -- important to a lot of -- culture more financially liable roll -- more people so. What what they're basically doing taking part of our most successful. -- rule industries. In setting and financially in business acumen. World we can expand it even more than now -- users has been. The clock. It would show but. I've I've been reading so many coming in in my other ancillary reading in preparing for the Chicago. But the the United States -- Seems to be just knowing knew it and via -- guardian in London reported this morning. The US inspired when Pope since it's. Started this thing even for the -- and constantly. Continued during the content. And then have the even Pope Benedict. Is a little. Overboard the question. Have the technology. That we want we -- and we use. Has had rendered privacy. Thing of the past she waves doing sure. On the loss of privacy. Because it is there's no turning back. -- via blog -- view the report there certainly. A lot of things along those lines proclaimed it was occurring in the future. And -- goes goes up here some of which thankfully surprise Jews much -- -- -- being -- But the bigger question I think is can we do anything about we go on for reading. This foreign it's open we've done short short short. The good news. Other entities making this -- Poconos. Louisiana. We get -- incarceration rate in America. Per capita. We're not if we're not legal or one of the largest in the world. Got to be better way. So we're gonna talk about what's in peril with units of -- on criminal justice reform. If you -- you -- and Republican institute for public policy it's going to be. 7 PM. Wednesday October 23 -- -- -- absence in the room 370. Broke public forum on criminal just formed unit boats and an extremely important issue in this state. -- -- -- -- -- -- Can use directories. Do. And -- president -- institute for. Margaret and talked to. Him. Oh. It is the one Egypt described actually last week. But it -- not looking at making announced it would take it around states. That once scheduled for November 13 in Lafayette. On the Internet happily in a community college now -- a plane at one in Monroe although we don't have that one count them quite yet. It'll get an -- this is kind of travel like shadow. And and the reason is that. That it did account -- -- -- you'll all agree on everything. Over the past several years have come to realize a common interest in the effectively in that period. Problem with its addiction to incarceration. And and we have to get our alphabet diction and that and and two to bring this issue to the forefront where the public ten year. Experts from the you know we make these you know with bi partisan as we possibly can't everybody all sizes. Of the table. Can come together and realized we've been we've been doing criminal justice very wrong. We we do that kind -- restoration right in the world have and incarceration piloted it is a bit on affordable and it happened. -- It's a packet for. And time to be something. Somebody backing up or live -- -- -- I don't know. -- -- -- -- We're getting your. Lipstick a little bit of an early break welcome back to give broad -- deep -- Kevin -- music president pelican institute for public policy. We're talking about Ebbers of course. To me and pull. We'll try to find out if you agree and it's something can be done. -- celebrity. We're pretty good about it part of our priority. Double to deal opinion pulled a -- -- opinion. That's a question we have winter and as lives and -- rate and rate in America broke out in the world. The cost is enormous -- that put this upon different financial model. We've done the show probably ten. Yours and we often. Heard similar poll when we use the in the beginning we got totally negative points they would. And then recently probably over the last six -- three year we've got a little bit -- Putin -- the ones -- change. The four. Something governors in the in the polls we have 100%. Callers. Like an opponent from. Where Marjorie you Osmond with the executive director heat -- you museum Kevin Kane president of pelican institute for public policy. Kevin you know what fields the it field Hewitt -- with the public and institute what do you do. Global development institute is. Is headquartered here and you'll. We focus on why. Is mainly a state level. Or a national network. Sort of free market oriented think tanks and Saudi born on -- and most people -- It does a political spectrum -- war. Right of center politically it certainly would not disagree. Margaret what can be done what do you think really apply the sport is getting some. But a -- that should be done. And that. One of the things that going on now is it me a -- can review of Louisiana and -- lost because. One of the promises is that if you're wrong laws are much harsh then than other states we -- long sentences and but less likelihood of a role -- time. Which leads to more and more people being more and more on locked up. And that's one thing and other things that I think really important is to remember it act. We don't need to criminalize everything. If you if you make everything crime and you make everyone a criminal accurately can -- -- it's not very good there are things that don't need to decriminalize. It don't need to wired jail time. And ridiculous at public safety but teen people up and we -- make -- look at why we are -- the people that we are sending. -- car production machine because that's really what it. And in -- totally reinvent -- what. What public he's about to -- that keeping faith that let's make sure. That we are targeting the people who who product safety at risk and not everybody. Kevin what are your -- what can be done. That order indicators. When you look at the criminal justice reform. System you can go to the very beginning the earlier part of it you know from -- bonding and pretrial services -- -- things on it and to be re entry fees and -- what we do to help. People reintegrate into society -- me -- prison and get jobs and gonna beat them opting members of the community. Everything in between and including. Sentencing column and we just put out a report yesterday. Together the region and nation in the -- of public policy and nation holds more on sentencing Smart on crime. And you know mark touched on this one -- yet. Is that little easier than usual the harsh. -- sentencing law particularly in the area. Drug violations. And so very -- or number. Of the people in prison power they're really not criminals who's done something wrong. Option pay a price for that. But don't necessarily be in jail for thirty year. You're just give -- some sense of the numbers mean in 1992. When we're incarcerating about 20000 people. And in the twenty years in its forty year. Were basically doubled that number. -- -- incarcerate those 40000 people mistake but he had many people -- -- the people who've done something wrong in him and should keep Christ border. But we got a lot of people languishing. In jail don't necessarily pose a threat to society and there are better options for them. Of them Marc Morial storm reviewed the producer -- for you and Kevin kind of a long question. Oh over the years would -- -- choose your room a one position and Julia. And a couple of my lawyer -- that are in the law enforcement business it's certainly going sweet we don't kill anybody who may or one anymore. There may be if somebody does -- three report times in the dealer. But -- marijuana. It doing in prison these days then out of the bail Bondsman on. That -- known known bird few people are staying in jail because they can't beat them -- and the judges in the DA you come up with more. Christine and and guidance system -- where they can get out to pretrial Holden. Oh if that's true and who's our prisons. And and the problem is that while while they may be getting individual prosecutor may choose not to prosecute someone from now one well at first -- and a lot of professionally you know -- -- was treated as a misdemeanor. Second and third actually Celanese -- there -- -- he opinion in the sentencing guidelines require twenty years. And and if they choose. Excuse -- it would be used for one. Hour. Just -- process. Possessions under and a -- -- personally yet and they get equipment because it. They choose to charge you as they habitual offender which is their defense could be because he -- he got another one but also if you have other. Felony charges which could be something as. You know I don't want to get specific and important but certainly not a violent crimes such as you know writing of that cat could. They -- charges that habitual offender and and key to life without parole. And they are approximately thirteen hundred people in Louisiana -- doing their conferences he's twenty years or life for marijuana possession. Now what the prosecutors say is that they use now want as -- tool to get people who really are committing serious crimes. And they don't really want a sense he is all you do is possessing marijuana they would just wanna use it to get what they called of that guy. And that may or may not be -- by but the fact is. It. We we don't want to prosecute people for marijuana possession intently trying to use that line -- the law -- that we can't. Why do we deal -- now our legal system to permit. And they needed to duplicate case recently attacked from sly Dell news that the defense now want I think you are I think he had cocaine charge. Before it was reported that drug but the protection -- distributions. And he was sent to twenty years and male children he'd been supporting his kids. Anybody's interest for them and at public expense has spent twenty years and -- where when and meanwhile he can't put it counted so that means somebody else tested. And any not a dangerous person. If in fact lead they'll want to prosecute people and lock them -- twenties and marijuana possession and how long ought not to permit. Oh. I checked in you know. Most of -- there. Are a number of important points. That didn't -- that any number of people who now. Jail on drug related. Hard. You know we're involved in -- Even less activities and yet it is a matter. -- There you know prosecutors -- EO. All -- and other. Individuals doing something other baby sat in her dangerous. That's true but it certainly not to record. -- are so many people in the jails on. On drug charges. There's no question that all of them are not. I don't did not pose a threat to society and -- effectively with somebody -- for 2030 years. If there -- opportunities to reintegrate back. To society. -- -- job at some point. Really diminishes -- and we you know we got very high rates of recidivism. And so I -- think we need to do look at what other states and I'm on this -- then and the sort of trend around the country. Is too. Dual layer producer mandatory in law's individual current laws and drug related charges -- And seek alternative treatments for people and free up. Prison -- error that it presents take available to people who really need to be there. Only a couple of moves forward break for news and what's the cost of putting somebody you should use state prison I think. I've seen reports of somewhere around 30000 dollars years that corrected and -- so. Have you seen it figures as to what it calls for us to imprison someone. I'll get them on the planet and the a lot of factors but it's you know between said teen and 23 dot. And it depends on player whether they're being held in jail source State's utilities. And of course feel a lot more expected excellently sending nonviolent people. In for life or even twenty years -- -- get -- more expensive it is to incarcerate -- But you know we're talking about you know tens of thousands of dollars a year per person. Just a larger. Sort of the dollars involved in 1992. We were spending about 440 million dollars. On incarceration courts and in -- 2011. To 700 over 750 million. So it isn't it it's sort of what we are spending their cores per year over 300 million dollars. Ball on incarceration also that it is becoming larger market over the budget. 300 million. Outside yeah yeah that's -- -- increase the battle over seven under in order -- in million. He is still in 2012 was 450 million now. And so you know and we're constantly. Did. A good show yesterday. And civilian infrastructures. In the billions -- we and he went and with the -- come from all the way down to our new prison. And and we're spending this audio and incarceration the short break we're coming right back. RWW. Oprah but he -- -- opinion polling and it lives incarceration rate in America. Breakup of margins in the world causes enormous we stick with -- -- -- different from the central. 5% of these. Temperatures in London for the from. If you've got questions -- comments would -- the experts 260. Wendy celebrity. Told reviewed six X rated and it's probably come back. Repairing about whether -- -- we -- and a bit -- handle crime. In this country in particular in this state because you. But for the is incarceration rate in America and per capita of one of the largest. These mortgages in the world. We have a couple of experts with this that are conducting warm and forums. On a criminal justice reform runs state. Marjorie also an executive directories -- you and Kevin Kane president of pelican institute for public policy. Both public for a bit -- problem at -- Elected him provision that the primary early correct. We have two major prison corporations. In this country. I have read at least. Not at least over that one. Of their annual reports in which the thirty you know states. We're very concerned about the reduction in Merrill one laws. Because this can affect our bottom line. Drove again read more about it and I think therein 2320 ports they slow you include. And they take over Wednesday with the the edict to reduce call ups and they demand in there for. 80%. Occupancy. Over a twenty year period. They got to help. You god for profit corporation. Whose main source of income or incarcerated. People. And they can't afford to lose their crop but because the Euro they're probably the lead for. And our our system here can afford to have when he left in 80% of what am I missing and we really reduce. We've reduced numbers of incarcerate. That's really. -- On the big said that -- I mean packet to gain a profit incentive to lock up human been is it scary thing. An and an -- times land. -- at all and a recent survey that was done a couple of months ago shows that 53% of Louisiana voters would favor outright legalization of a simple possession of marijuana. And some sixty plus percentage I think it was 67%. Would favor a simple hundred dollar fine for a -- now want to. Why we are. Feeding that profitable corporations that want to lock up people again -- the best interest. Of the state is really scary. And then and actually play more significant driver either their. You really understand understand Louisiana's. Incarceration. Situation that is the part that what we do years rather than building more state prisons. A number of years ago. They started. -- counting state prisoners jailed in local. Deals local causes around the state. Podium. Option this year they're out of me. So we create. Incentives. Are -- the local. Couldn't do incarcerated many people are obviously the people more money. And calm. You know I'm not I'm not. Their stupid -- -- that are important people or community problems. It's no begs the question is an -- we have. Major corporations publicly traded shareholders that depend. On on the -- and from what have sought the body we have Europe's. And and although lawmakers in the state. That are tied to a profit motive Jim we really believe that when we hear the powers would be -- working hard to reduce crime and. Well. I -- -- is accurate. And our and so that is a little bit about these sorts of reform. We do to visit the way. On. On the system you know one thing is Adam. Tonight you were sort of initial. Research to see that. This is portable you -- possibility with the disorder on the the local -- to block grants. -- in the money. Money -- -- problems a lot of local prisons that. They don't know how many are services. Arguably. -- doctrine equal that sort of thing clear people wondered out. And so maybe we ended up so that money list of those. And also courts -- you. It was the so. So. Obviously in -- week in and -- that are out. I still don't really understand. How I conclude totaled three of them -- working or to prevent Roland. We've agreed untruths appear. Where the beds when they -- -- -- of -- -- -- -- -- may be they can still use their property in particular when it comes to drugs. And Britain there's this formula varies around the country but this is Carol fairly yeah. Consistent. The local law enforcement gets 80%. Water routes are using the feds get twenty. So we've got property for private prison corporations. We -- profit. For local troops. And we've got a profit or drug seizures. I'm missing something I don't see hope we get past that. To reduce. The incarceration. What. -- Cannot miss something about it. -- exactly. We -- create profit incentive. War law enforcement as a practical issue. To Iraq people can shake down. To. Lock up people whether they're -- -- to society or non -- All the perverse incentives and that's why we have we can't and that we. All right it's good break here when we come back. We'll -- -- -- actresses who disagrees with the with the intent is all about everybody. Governor of the brigade celebrities immoral I'm -- Or everything good about. In this is a -- -- -- you know I have waited too many people in prison highest incarceration rate in America. Per capita in the world. Her table trying to do something about it executive director of UC LU and -- jones' today and also the president pelican institute for public policy but not everybody agrees with the -- could some of our -- after matches I appreciate the call. -- are injurious the it's. Comment that. But not my opinion is that I think you know for marijuana or something I think the first. A consensus is that you know obviously they give it to answer you have enough along pretty incensed but I think a second time I think. -- until prison sentence it is certain ball. Was doing at the gas stations and it's -- of that -- though it has -- guys. Had station that gets the money personal -- didn't you know I think that kind of person who really needs to be locked away I really don't mind paying. A little ultra low taxes for that because that think -- benefit is better as far as the neighborhoods that. These people can come from in other strike in neighborhoods that are really being. I think -- should be a balance here you know sort of the first thing anyway I really think. I think go go what to being -- project -- Marjorie given I think a lot of people reflected in Peru. Get. In that -- and -- difference between between crack now wanna. The fact is that. -- everybody. If you if you are on that subject that -- he knows some but they -- been in session now want at least three. And I. 0%. Until the eighteenth saying that whoever is you know your friend. Doesn't -- to locked up for twenty years for having done a fairly common now you don't think. Desert that kind of cents. Crack is different and and nobody. Between making. Him propose that I know of the moment reform. Judge sentences war. Four drug simple possession after and now want. But the fact is one and everybody knows somebody who has been in possession and now on three time if -- That may keep you you know it's constantly. Been caught and prosecuted and convicted the question but he admitted that car. And elect you think everybody all these people that you know move you know had marijuana and possession three times. Did during twenty years in in the state penitentiary and that something's wrong with that sense thinking. Let Libya should move through until arguably Gordon. -- -- -- remarkable. Actually proposed aggressive police. Call for. Eight neighborhoods -- it and I don't think there's any conflict between Iraq. And recognizing. Putting -- away for twenty years because they're busted for marijuana twice but that makes any sense I just don't think that it doesn't think. You know much less severe penalty makes the same point -- a lot less money. And they're just a lot better alternatives out there but -- the -- really want to make. It is you know started pretty pessimistic before about -- -- -- -- -- -- that point -- that there -- -- states and not just. State in the northeast that are kind of culturally. Different that we era but you neighboring -- to actually sort of model for. A lot of others states including very -- southern states are now law ordered all. Working well the axis of Asian. Odd cramping at those -- that sexist. It towards. -- you know rapidly building prisons Jews you know how cool -- that there. Wouldn't actually closing it. An airport in there -- population it is it is dropping and and so. They've demonstrated that it can be done and we can we do here. A couple of minutes clip in question. Portugal dog yours 2000. Their parliaments to articulate this problem and they sit where the old crime but elected not make it legal. Just. Quit executing on that. And -- that in particular. With a police departments and and the questions bought that too and they. Well intermittently from 2001. It's from me and his success. And now the police Hughes. Or fighting to keep it because they say you bring up more money to -- -- -- I -- Portugal as much smaller than we would Julia nutrients that will do something like that in this country. -- Yes I I think we'll be in that direction. You know it's slowly and state by date and we're seeing now monologue in reformed. All corrupt country in the fact that the that -- introduced the bill session. To reduce sentences for now possession. And eat it it cleared out of the committee and then ran at a time for the can take it up full -- out by. Don't effort bill like that would be it instantly and make actions -- And you know it had tremendous impact. Will come back again was now a -- -- -- -- -- the fact it deeply personally in another it would favor legal action means that changes. I don't know what and a one's gonna covered by a country that is clearly the days. Of the present and future. -- we got about a minute you get the last word. To a life that is it. You know corporate. The issue value. And I'll do. Probably a lot of things we disagree on if there's little agreement. Some of these things is really significant. And it did -- diverse group of people. But recognize that we unique makes. People in the business community and as it would need to each day. As a great opportunity for a -- direction here. An hour's hot enough to give we get to to back on that later date this is an important issues that ought to be police. Educating. All. A little appreciate you calling -- great choate thank you so much that. There -- Double bill -- -- seventy implied the reopening would come. Back. -- soon -- here and we are coming or no gas. Or talk about all these revelations. Of how were being tracked. Serbia -- Watched. It is it is again to a point where you -- discounted that -- -- hear it anymore. Or is beginning to the point were you worried about it. Or getting to the point. Deborah house being able to do anything about it because we -- light all the devices. 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