On the vehicle on the Friday edition of the thanked Angola will return and be back with you on Monday as usual. On Friday she got me in -- another interesting topic this how -- What prompted me to to do a program about PT SD which is posttraumatic. Stress disorder is I've been hearing an awful lot more moderately in the news. And and that the thinking is it that PT SD. Is more prevalent now than it was in the past with other wars oral we just doing more recognition. That'd diagnosing and and start doing low bidder research. And I got to tell you what I found in my research was shocking. Basically that there -- about 2.3 million American veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars that compares. To just a little more and of course the number there is still growing but it compares to two point six million. Vietnam veterans who actually fought in Vietnam. There are eight point two million. Vietnam era veteran says personnel who served anywhere -- doing their time of the Vietnam War and I'm included in -- is a Vietnam era. -- But what really it was shocking about but these numbers was. 20%. And is varies depending on whose study you look at the 20% of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans have PT SD. And or depression that is one out of every five that is returning. Some of these other studies show a little bit less than -- but but not much more along mean is about the treatment. 50%. Half of those that have PT EST. Are not seeking treatment for one reason or another and out of the 50% that do. Only another 50% of those give what is termed minimally adequate treatment. That is according to a Rand study there's also something called TBI traumatic brain injury. And is estimated as high as 19% of veterans may be affected by that. In again to keep in line with the shocking news MR research turned up there is no cure. Yet there is treatment now those of you would tuned in last week -- them that we've promoted this and I plan to discuss this last week in. As things happened we had difficulty in getting some experts and people who are willing to talk about it. And then at the last minute two of Oman bailed out on us and leftist -- none so we actually postponed it to this week. And to try to get another gas and then we call it divine intervention coincidence. I get this information from a publicist the bottom author of the book called Lamar -- to name as well be O'Brien. Who is married done to -- A man who suffers from PT SDN. Has learned from our experience and his experience how to help others and family members. And authored a book called love our vets so. What more perfect guest do we get to talk about the situation. Than -- O'Brien who joins us now well -- thank you. For joining us this morning we appreciated thank you -- Are we hearing more and more about PT SD is it more prevalent now than it was during World War I world war two and Vietnam all are we just. Better recognizing it now. I think probably a little of both there has then -- yes steeped in. All of history and I think they did a different name for a final World War II was. Shell shock we heard of battle fatigues. You read about that battle -- ancient days and definitely nothing new but. I believe you're right in that it's. More -- and now than ever before and the thing to do we don't want I was any -- right now PT EST can affect anybody not just. Veteran there's. We're talking millions and millions of Americans do whether it's. And all tomorrow -- loved ones pumping. The PT SC. -- -- way more than we totally realized and not really. Really high numbers you quoted him. What what exactly is what is posttraumatic stress syndrome. Post traumatic stress disorder actually. It results from a severe trauma. And what happens is. The body and the whole person goes into the emergency mode this kind of we've heard a fighter flight that fighter flight over freeze. And what happened is they get locked into that emergency mode. And stay locked in emergency noticed some well for the rest of their lives. The 24000. People with PT EST I'm living as if that trauma could reoccur again in me. Moment and many of them. Actually continue to re experience and Reeve lived sitcom on a regular basis just as if they were still in Vietnam War is that they were still being assaulted. What ever and it totally. Affect their ability to cope that you might imagine and the other thing we're seeing enough I'm all about is how is dramatically. Affect and impact although club on around him to do. You know well the umpire -- and we called you mentioned shell shock was a term my grandmother used that she was talking about people she knew who returned from the first war warned Tuesday he. He we shell shocked. On my dad was a World War II veteran and you know we think of -- post. And traumatic stress disorder is as having won major. Traumatic event. But he was one of these people and you hear from so many people that he never talked about what went on he was a purple heart winner he was injured. But until shortly before his death he never really mentioned it. And I'm thinking that he might have had some degree of of this side disorder because of that that carries throughout his entire life. Yet it didn't mean looking back my father same way -- -- -- is. Veteran. You know I know when people start trying to put numbers on things I am I know you agree with that too. There's way more than the numbers show hand it seemed like what you just mentioned. You know not only are over half of them not getting treatment but. At my opinion in my experience and all the people that I talk in dealt with the last few years is that anybody who has seen war. It's gonna have a little bit PT FT at some level you -- here -- -- comes back. From war unchanged at. You know when I was Vietnam era draft. -- -- not good fortune I was drafted because when it was done it was done by your birthday and it was a lot Korea that was pulled into her as the only lottery I tell people a level one. But this. You know I had friends who went to Vietnam I ended up in Europe. And there was some four years I've kind of had a little guilt feeling that you know while I was at them. And that means that didn't have to go over there and and I think you know like you said they can be so many different variations. Of what PT EST can be. There are and survivor's guilt isn't it is a typical symptoms of PP SE whether you. Haven't really bad because of what you thought or just a little that is. It definitely comment and it's not pleasant and asked why did you write this book love on them. Well I am madly in love with my husband Heath care is in Vietnam veteran. And when we started. Seen each other about seven years ago was the first time that I learned about PT EST and really got a really good education about war in all that that mine unfortunately has not been upon. And my question going into the relationship was. All about my needs and what is it possible. To live a happy and fulfilled life in spite of the PT EST I needed to know if that's possible. And so howl. And actually love our net which is a book and also act and support network we have a lot of support group. We're trying to get going around the country needs to FaceBook. Online support. It it has been born out of my need. Have to what I've learned I care a lot about what I've learned from other people. And how to live happy and fulfilled life in spite of the peak -- see how the level of that sort of love Nolan. That will win that struggle with PP yes he. And happy to take care of our -- at the same kind of not burn out and is totally focused to much and kind of -- on the -- which can't be done. Well there are hundreds if not thousands of publication written by psychologists and a psychiatrist about PT EST but that answers my next question which obviously you know make -- -- much much different. Yet it is. First of all when I started looking around there was nothing out there for the loved ones you know how do you. Vienna support role and still not go crazy. And how do you recognize the letter triggers it and recognize them in yourself to -- How can it be that important key component in their life whether it's a parent or sibling. Significant other. There won't put much out there at all without a part of it. And the other -- I wanted to come out -- firm even though I do have a counseling degree. I wanted to go about it from the perspective of the real person who is living it every day and not just. Giving it theoretical information. Or whatever so that the book is really a lot of helpful practical things. I kept a log of all the questions that I had personally. For several years in the that I heard from the other alleged involvement around me -- that ended up with over sixty questions. That are really unique in a lot of ways to people who love firm with -- -- he's so I didn't want at a time I think one thing and I addressed. Each question and I got a section about taking care of and our needs and and then did a whole lot of input from a variety of people who. Are living not perfect side but definitely fulfilled. Like incited the peak yet he's still the whole point of what I'm doing -- lower -- is. Patent hope because there's so much out there are a lot of people sharing their stories and -- -- -- unit its troops to keep pressing dismal. And -- I'm -- clean. There is hope on the minute I mean. Might that change I -- him. Over the years he's alive and he's not nominees not. On drugs and he's not. Doing substance abuse and we are working through the challenges and and money. That's my message. And if you have a question -- comment -- Welby O'Brien make council also -- the author of a book called love our -- restoring hope for families of veterans. With PT as. 601878668890878. -- can't send me a quick text message we do have a message stream coming directly into the studio. At 87 B 870. Well be before we took the break so we were talking about. Some questions you actually took the time to write down all of the questions that popped in your mind. In dealing with PT SD in you and your husband's personal situation what are some of the more common questions that -- loved ones ask the veterans who. Or diagnosed with PT EST. Well a few might be effort while houses they're peaking at the affected me. How do I survived veterans day and other patriotic holidays because a lot of those coming up. Now what real common is -- difficult season. I ain't like I had a terrible time sleeping with them because of the thrashing. And the nightmares. How can I help them sleep better so I can sleep better. And another thing that's real -- news. Conflict in the PP yes if you relationship sort of has -- unique set of unwritten rule. Why is this person unable to handle conflict like normal people and just what are the rules for conflict. When peak -- he is a factor. Another one that's really calming in his friends and loved ones and relatives who don't understand so. How can we help our friends and relatives who don't understand PP SE and made say hurtful comments. How come they're so effected by the -- there have been I keep myself from being negatively affected too. What can apparently do when they get paranoid about crowds. And then they get a few that are pretty typical. Are you satisfied that you came up was sufficient answers to those questions and out of. Probably. Not a 100% because I'm learning and growing myself. And maybe ask me about ten years now have a lot more to add. But. I have. Share what I've landed want to learn from those around me and so much committed to being aware. Of my needs and not losing my own helping -- in my own boundaries. And recognizing that they think their struggle. And it's a very valid struggle. And you know I have their support him -- loved him and cheered him on and be there for him. But I felt the need to stay healthy myself send and that helped both of actually. So that's kind of a key factor in addressing all these challenges is. And also being willing to learn and grow because I've got a long ways to go -- on ways to that. I'm always open to more accurate statement for the sequel -- that. Well be as you were writing this book love -- vets. How did it affect you personally either in a negative or positive way. Then. Well it was definitely positive. Set to be honest with you and I got down to answer only questions I. Think that huge task. And I don't know the answer them. So it would it was. An amazing experience to be able to sit down and kind of work through each -- and think of examples of people and experiences and situations at all. And a lot of things to came to me in the process that I can tell you Don the biggest thing was tremendous. Compassion. That I have from my husband and every veteran and anyone who suffers compete yes he's just. It's just -- she is very very deeply. That these locked. Every single day every moment are literally fight for the -- And everything. Is an enemy and that life threatening and and they wonder if -- creep in just knowing now. You're not crazy you are to overwhelmed with the burden of surviving -- -- game. To to truly honor. And appreciate. What they've gone through like I had no idea until I. Has been through this constant in my mind might trillium grateful. And has tremendous respect for every veteran and anybody whose fight the fight at peak yet you know unfortunately many don't fight them. And a lot of awareness about -- PT SDL. Post traumatic stress on this order has been in the news lately had prompted me to start doing some research I found some staggering statistics about one out of five. Returnees from Iraq and Afghanistan that handed. Also that 50% of those aren't seeking treatment out of that 50% only half of those get minimally adequate treatment. Prompted me to do a program about it last week some guest that we had scheduled. Had backed out -- postponed it -- and all of a sudden miraculous ethics in a message from a publicist. With the perfect person discuss there's a name as well be O'Brien and -- she's the author of the book call Lavrov that's she's a counselor. But she's more memories more importantly married to a 100% disabled veteran with PT SD. She knows about what she wrote -- talking with her and what we're inviting you to textbook calling you questions and comments. And dumb of course that the question and has come up the most news. Recognition how do you recognize it was determined that someone. That has served in the military may -- went through Katrina any the other. Our life changing events that have come about if we suspect that they haven't. How do you talk to whom how do you recognize that there was some tips on an insurance company new book. Definitely. Belong and I haven't mentioned it yet I want to mention a couple times. Go to our web site which is loved our vets dot org -- our -- -- authority. And we have except one the first thing on there is called recognizing. PT EST. And we have a tremendous resource as helpful links. One is in the national center for peaking at the -- whole bunch of it's really helpful resource that Eric got an ongoing blog. Check out the wetlands laws -- that dot org and that will. Fill in the -- for all the things that I forget this data -- But as far as recognizing -- yet be. Some of the typical signs to look for. Our anxiety. Avoid them if you waiting certain. Things replaces that remind them -- the trauma. Keep oppression. Fear. Hyper vigilant this as a real big ones. They're always on guard 24000 just kind of physically and emotionally -- -- attack. Numbing. Substance abuse. Sleep problems. Nightmares. Outburst -- an emotional person motions to. There's -- startle reflex and irritability. Relationship problem employment problem. Anything that get involved coping with -- If you see they -- content you know handled stress. Or. It healthy weight and then the war of course. Is an attempt on fox has hit -- side. So from what you tell me these signs or symptoms would be things that you would expect some wanted to how they would act. If they was still in -- traumatic situation if I were fighting in war. If they were fighting to survive Katrina watching everything go way around them and that's what this people these people still they're still living it. They are and like you mentioned earlier than that part is who many of them are not even aware and they think they're crazy they -- what's wrong. And like you mentioned earlier on any of them Vietnam era that that these people went decades my husband went. For decades. Before. Realizing what was going on and the good news is that the younger veterans coming back and the other individuals. Have gone -- other trauma. -- there is help available now and that's. -- he is hoping her ripped him to reach out for the resources that are available. Well some of these -- to 26 not only this staggering but they're also depressing that I know. That you have seen some some turnaround may be some amazing situations and we come back on this next break. -- like you to talk about some encouragement some things that you can tell people. Whose family members may be either have PT SD or at least suspected. Some things that on the positive side that there can be some changes as you mentioned you've seen him in your husband maybe you can tell us about that. That's a voice sounds different and all of us because it is just on the view with you on -- filling in for -- Robinette -- on the -- where this is a council also the author of the book call Lamar vets Welby O'Brien that's about restoring hope for families of veterans with PT as Steve. She's married to 100% disabled veteran with PT SD. And I want to not take delivery wellbeing of giving out that website again love our vets dot org because. I know even though were asking you some general common questions I'm getting a lot of messages in. With personal questions and if we don't come from the probably be able to find their chances there. But if you could tell us about some encouraging some hopefuls situations that you have seen. With people who have PT SD and their families -- able to get help. And in and there has been some success stories because. You what your book is all about is not curing because there is no cure but how to live with it and improve the the situation of life. -- And let me encourage people to do that connect to perform -- but can. That's a great place attendance questions then. To hear from other people and hear other people stories and getting treatment without love our vets PT EST family support on faith that. But were things that I think a lot of people forget or don't know. In that -- that trauma. It impacts the body physically -- the body needs to feel safe. -- that yes he isn't just a psychological thing. Literally the whole body -- adrenaline system. Wired hot wired to be on all the time the -- pulled the brain everything in the whole person. Is effected for the rest of their life. Getting help is important and feeling safe. And I think probably. For me in all that I've seen in my life. And my home and my relationship with my husband. If I had to narrow it down to two things that would be connection with god in connection with other people here. Among our about the not a religious book or anything but to. That spiritual connection wherever you are within -- means he and finally the connection with other people and could. Support network. And that. Create that made it environments where they were -- in the progress in the opening up. And then the truly living without being. Begin and and their -- me down there actually in neurological and the brain. It changing EPS these brain changes. Over time with the right love and support and and that is astounding I don't have a brain can in my house but I do hasn't. I have good days -- days the little things where it shows up and it just it. A blessing -- and is it a privilege to love my bed and be loved by him daddies and I thought time to tell a story. Him before we run out of time please tell us where listeners can get a cup did you book love our vets restoring hope to families of veterans with PT SD. Because -- could be some life changing information in it for them. Yes we love our -- is available anywhere books and hold on you bookstore Amazon Kindle. And Barnes & Noble all of those wherever books and balls and they didn't fare. -- and I veterans day -- week November 9 through fifteenth in the e-book can. If you're gonna be on sale for 299. So please. Making itself that take advantage of that is often deal. Very good in this story you deny keeping us waiting for a sciences and I wanted to tell you about a hundred but that I hate. They weren't married for like 32 years before they even knew about -- yet he always wonder what went wrong and could put their finger on it. And they really they thought he was gone crazy insanity she. Finally. They diagnosed with -- yet he has things got a little better. But they got into the hands. The health care practitioners who didn't know much about -- at the Claremont -- as. Said he had alzheimer's he that is gone down hill. He ended up not recognizing she was -- him drafted him. And because he was gone. And one night he -- like. Got crazy and violently attacked we're. He says okay got a need -- help and she took him -- to the VA hospital. And at VA hospital they discovered that twelve of the fifteen minutes he was on -- all Contra indicated -- -- yesterday. The wrong men particularly good enough -- Nolan cottage. So they can come off those and a few days later. You would like almost totally back again his brain was literally shutting down because PT EST in the wrong meant -- realized -- He's still left PPI seat but they are both in support that she's involved in our Butler that's peaking at these support group and he's. Getting help at the VA and they're doing great what he said -- I did so thankful that we have a second chance. And each state gets better and better so my encouragement is the -- -- the veteran refused to get help your loved ones. Take care of you know that that's a common thing you can't expand but you can't -- now. To look into resource says maybe even to get them on the on the on mine looking at. Our web site levoir -- dot org. Get them on some of the that some great FaceBook page is of course I visited my. And we've got links to a lot of others so they can know that they're not -- That they're not crazy. And that there is help. Very good and -- -- agreed to store with a great ending to NRA and as you. For that next story dome -- hold you to this next time we have veterans day celebration or any kind of veterans of -- and get you back on that sounds great. Thanks again well and we -- it.