Welcome back from. In news of the reading and doing the subjects of we choose to talk about investment bank. Assumed to have ones that I hit a number of times don't really understand it in kind of discount -- -- foreign. So often that would be that I do we got experts on to explain to -- And whether it is to it as a problem. And exactly what is it. The thing that a considering seeing ordered those stories report's claims concerning. Net neutrality. Internet new trial. And everything from some kind of sued in Supreme Court in Washington DC. Two. You win something called -- called. One of their forms that. As the possible view -- in the Houston to a system called -- he news. So I thought -- we get an expert on and -- -- more it's. Senior policy counsel for the open technology institute in America -- New America Foundation sir welcome -- sure appreciate it time bury him. How much. Help me here -- is an Internet. -- -- Don't in net neutrality is being on this fundamental idea that we are convinced that the with the Internet that. When you go on mine you can access any web site you can access. Even a mile went by from the third on the street you can access your current cooking blog you can access your -- Twitter feed. You can do about without me. Involvement or interaction from your Internet service provider. And -- the principles state that Internet service providers the people who provide you with your Internet their -- and that they can't say now. You can't access the web site or this web site going to load factor for you. Or are. You can access the web site if you pay at the texture and text your feet or website you can access our end users if you pay at the speed. That allowed them to monetize. Customer access patent with an additional speed beyond what you are eating for your Internet on -- -- debate that. And number remember AT&T and and cable company -- rise as the number of others. Wanted to at an additional hole. Beyond what's already being made for the Internet. And Comcast reportedly. -- secretly trial and services some blocks from the web -- -- popular applications. That could pose a competitive threat to Comcast. So has -- already begun and that if not what's the status and more importantly. Is this a real threat. Sure I mean we have seen the equipment that happening and that is patent. Through that the -- to bad behavior that you mentioned earlier where Comcast and back in I believe in Albania and six -- and blocking it tore a popular peer to peer file sharing and I'm basically anywhere and users who were using it Torre noted that every now locked in the it would be much slower cute BitTorrent and it would be used other types. Web site their -- that went back to you that it went services. And actually -- a former open technology -- employee and prior to reports here started investigating and thinking that well. -- -- have -- back and he realized that it went to -- with BitTorrent that is patented Internet service was being patted down. We. You know contact with distracting service. To a web site that went to a web service that it found to be back into competition with its own. Media there and then -- -- -- later. I'm -- it. At these these open Internet rules in technicality -- published in into Batman and we site AT&T and he's Batman in twelve. Blocking their popular -- -- application the cork bat the ugliest chapter at. Blocking that actor and over there patent. Over the actor types of devices connected to certain business and so basically you had to happen up here. Latin. Third plant from AT&T to use the time and you could only use the uncertainty I think it. And it and other critical about the that -- in the humor -- popular and often poignant view examples. Miserable little -- quick break here. Oh we -- Sarah Morris with the senior policy council. To -- open technology institute of New America Foundation and the reason those serves given some of her time. We're talking about the potential loss of net neutrality. Basically the Internet as we know it. And there are also reports that we should be concerned about UN plans. To regulate the Internet. Or who punched through 60187. There's -- audio during its seven hitting a moral 53. At -- think about something a little different in the spring then today he's Internet net neutrality. And news that. -- over net neutrality can change the Internet. As we know. I think in I think and -- emphasize only thing when I understand it. Number of cable companies. And AT&T Comcast rise and companies like that. Or or against this neutrality. Because they have like to control it better. What I headed describe for me and one of the article it's. These corporations want the equivalent of toed boots gasoline and dirt road. Problem -- now considered the Internet and we have an expert with the -- more. Senior policy counsel for the open technology institute at New America Foundation. Sir did that I basically. Understand what the issue is -- -- chains in and that. As we now have a where they could slow some down. Allow others to get pastor eliminate Saddam is at an exaggeration. -- and -- been between more control over how they -- how content is delivered to their users and subscribers. And under what they're an -- and so this could be in the form and being used to pay more money for an additional event could be negotiating deals with some that your app which he wound up. Applications that your Internet email account and -- That they like uh oh you're going to use our network you have to affiliate with this email account he can't access email. From another. Email service provider and -- out and eat it it's very. A very real possibility that Internet service providers who looked in new ways that they can monetize and what you act that hand to control the second independent which are back at that. Is that still being debated by the US Supreme Court is going to be. But they were stream court the DC circuit. Currently at the DC there it and they held oral arguments on the case in September. And that basically that this panel rejected that -- by the FDC and and bright and in the case prevent their argument as to why. -- at these the open Internet rules and neutrality -- on. Should or should not be a count and that we get any links from the ATP circuit -- which could be. Any -- Really could be activated next week it could be you know a couple months out that we expect it happened fairly and and don't know whether or not the and -- -- I'll be at BP's authority to implement these girls aren't that -- you out. Over that your your authority in the case. The rules are no longer valid. According to while broke WIRED Magazine and read directly prominent. The judges in the stream court and their questions and statements during oral argument. The judges have made clear how the planned rule for the phone and cable companies not for those using Internet. News is that correct. Little bit of -- -- that that Blair is an advocate deal where we -- go to beat oral argument hearing and you try to predict what the outcome of the case will be based on how questions that are asked in which questioned -- and how the tenth district by. I don't think anyone and it is. You know abstain. Someone you can see into the future can can really predict exactly how they DC circuit will rule in this case. But I I think that the wired article is correct in how it characterized. Bit -- respond to that case but at least part of the rules it sounded like may not be. Upheld in that the BC actor -- court's ruling. One of the things confused me said that to a phone and cable companies supported. Telecommunications. Legislation in 2006. That would authorize the FCC to stop the own cable companies from blocking the web sites why would day's report that that what they're trying to do. It is important -- at the -- open Internet world and any tally on what is the principles -- did -- again no blocking. No blocking beat agreed to -- means that that your Internet service provider can't flat out block and web site from from the end user experience they can't say. You know -- kept working -- Absolutely cannot act that they that no matter how much money they pay me or and how much speed but these -- he -- my my customary. This idea and so that the company independent support that because it's. Even if they are blocking content anyway and right -- that would be and -- cuts recently would be really upset. But in other part. And net neutrality which it -- nondiscrimination and the -- so. Even if he'd -- that web -- -- contents are on the Internet service providers can't block content and they can still do things to prevent you from -- it in the same way that you accept other content and they can -- it and your service they can charge -- more. They hand -- Can do that now. And the the tactic we would be and I mean it's under the open Internet rules that the net neutrality order they're not allowed to be acting on that happened. And that brutality -- an open Internet rules is a powder over ruled the greens a little bit of a legal gray area. All right let's say for the group's leader of hypothetical. That the courts decided to yeah the cable companies can do what they're trying to do or what that looked like what bull would that. It looked like when when we try to get them in and. It kind independent and then look a lot more like people make when you access your cable TV -- talented and rare. You're essentially turn in your computers use open Internet browser. And you are in rather than giving act and rather than accept any website and and I'm from any part of the world that you had. And you can say I'm going to click on email. And that takes -- you. One email providers that -- and a contact with the Internet service provider. Oh or eight social media count that and in your options there essentially limits and it could mean that you're paying more per month for -- that if you accent. Video content online for example that you have to pay more border Aaron -- for that specific services it could mean. That you see any of that happening from -- from her and that. But that small. On content providers on the Internet competitors have been injured. -- You know services that are available now that they are able -- -- Internet service provider an -- to access and the end users have basically it would. And prevent any new. It is -- and they would threaten any new unity and Internet service. Tools on line from actually reaching the end user which would patent the -- the tech community and we've come to expect on -- And and and that's what makes the Internet rather -- miraculous for a. That's exactly right disability that part. You know anyone anywhere to create content to put it on line and rather accept that that's a fundamental core value that we come to associate with our Internet experience. This this -- a little bit of wave from the network neutrality question. Maybe the next parliament talk about. Humans play and regulated Internet that got 34 states that 34 countries. That are attempting to make these changes. DUC she's -- -- the technologies. Open technology institute. Do you see the day coming where countries can control the input and output of the Internet much more than they do today. Well they certainly have a lot of control. -- Certainly in certain countries being countries and a lot of control over what there and -- -- their -- back -- and we certainly be -- at the problem. You know depending on how -- some of these legal questions there insert a day international level yet we could be a lot more time. Not just company controller -- read about it in that the United States but also. Government control over -- -- who access the Internet and how. Where you reduced it a bit of show in the last two two -- ago. About something called silk road in illegal. Web sites selling drugs and weapons. The appeal I came in and took it down I think the report days ago and it's up again. Doesn't have been real -- -- have headquarters was sued them same thing with the anonymous receive the same -- pirate day. -- the all the publicity about how government is watching this. We don't -- on Doug Doug grow the new website where you can go and there's no way to being praised by the government. Do you see changes big changes to the Internet. Just. Overall without without in the mass movement like cable company user telephone companies behind just word. People don't trust -- and and people see anonymous web site -- that become the thing. But I mean. I think that the ability that they a couple of things I think that the ability to Britney and on and on line like you're proud thing is they've been really critical. Think that people want to prepared and it's very pleased to do that against the and it went right -- I think like encryption. Is it to protect content that you can't -- mine and I think that those. And has says says they're breaking the encryption. I think as we're hearing so much about -- widespread government surveillance from the United States and other that you're going to see more of those types that it will become popular as people you know want to -- that online without. I'm someone looking over their shelter out that I'm particularly that the government. And -- I appreciated that time very much in a reserve the right call you again in the future but that's a well we're we're into a program that I don't quite understand -- like to have the only. Are you can you have agreed to meet you -- -- senior policy council to be open technology institute in new America pounder from welcome back. The that we just talked about for a half hour. Was what the cable company is wondered viewed to -- Internet we know and let's take a look at some the plan from the UN. -- obligated seventy -- five to -- -- cool new stuff.