Friday the thirteenth Tommy Tucker talking about. Superstitions. Both in a good way in a bad way in Greek Greek cardinal you wanna refer to would you believe you know that. And none of this has anything to do with. How superstitions beginner or not Miller misinformation and taxes on I don't know but I do believe in karma of the woman in Hawaii. Who would only releases small form for Obama's birth certificate die in a plane crash two days ago while. She was working underneath the governor and governor until this -- their gonna release. And she released its I don't know you tell me Alice Stewart vice joins us right now professor Stuart vice. A professor of psychology kinetic ecology and author of believing in magic magic. The psychology of superstition morning professor mourning tell me about. I guess superstitions. And we were coming earlier -- in -- winning new ones that seems like they all. Go back to the olden times did people get started doing this and believe in and these things. Well I mean at the very beginning of course I think you know people people like. To know why things happen then and -- certainty in their lives and and we've managed to find out why a lot of things happened that but but you know you can imagine in ancient times it was it was quite. The mystery and so. So we invent things to fill that gap to make it feel like we understand -- I think you're I think you're going on especially especially when the stakes are high and we care about. -- on something and and and we're unclear as to how to make it happen. -- same men at the other day not just ancient times and if you go back to the eighteen hundreds late eighteen hundreds. There's no radio no TV so I guess people have allotted time to do some thank him. Exactly that's right that's right it but you know it's not any different today I mean. As much as we have all this technology and we. We're all -- living in the -- of science. People still have. Superstitions it is not enough and in fact some ways. The modern world is more anxious. And stressful. And then perhaps at other times. So even though it's not logical or rational yet you throw salt over your shoulder you knock wood to try to gain some kind of control in society that seems. Sometimes be where you have no control offered. Exactly and that's exactly right that that you know it if you. If you care about something and you've done everything you possibly can to make it happen then you know that's the moment when you might. Press that a superstition to just get a little bit more minutes. Does this ever. Bordering on obsessive what is it of -- -- -- Obsessive compulsive disorder an easy yeah. You know I think that. There -- I -- was the first -- they're certain individual baseball players did you know obviously do. He didn't seem to be posted that but I'm but it's -- in fact I mean seriously. It's it's a different thing I think that. That most. Normal superstitions are not nowhere near the category of obsessive compulsive disorder is that those people are relieve suffering and awaited the normal superstitious person. Did any idea how some of these things he got gets started like to see a penny pick it up all day he had good line salt over the shoulder I mean bought and under a letter you could see obviously is not a good thing to do but. On some of the other ones at that seemed to make no sense at all. Well days. Is there are people who have studied them not taught in oh. Salt was -- -- to be extremely valuable commodity and one time the board salary comes from salt and and people were paid in you know you've earned your small community people were paid insult. So and so to billet with not being very bad thing and and so somehow I don't know why it is throwing over the shoulder thing develop it seems like you're wasting more exactly true it's true. But but anyways that then it and that is thought could be connected with that particular superstitions. All in all the professor these harmless things that we do. I think mostly the positive wonder actually may be beneficial. They may actually help you. Perform well I'm I'm much more critical of the negative superstitions the ones -- Friday the thirteenth or black hat that it I think that. You know I don't see any real benefit that we gain from from having been taught those things and Monday when they appear than you know if you at all anxious and superstitious than you used to have to deal with and we be better off -- Nolan told us. So we have some rabid saints fans here I'm one element where my lucky checkered which really sounds silly when I say in the light of day in. And here and he had talked in the U. But we do what is the reason behind that it makes you feel like you have some. Say in what happens on the fielder your way get more involved. I think that I think they're both the things. I think it. The first -- you view them you actually can't control the outcome but it but it does and you care a lot and -- your mood in you're you're. Feeling about yourself and can be affected by the team's performance -- to visit as strong desire to help if you can. And then the other thing is is that there's a bonding aspect to it clearly that people people do these things together and they talk about it and it feels as though you you are participating in real way in the in the contest and possibly helping. So -- you telling -- lucky sure doesn't work. I'm sorry that I don't think it does but you know that does that mean you shouldn't use it you know that -- in in the sense that. I -- works for you it makes you feel better make you feel that you're part of the outcome and you know. I -- I'm not going to be critical of it I think it's time. Hearing this I guess some anger and may as well go and -- it now I'm telling about you you study this in any superstitions. I don't really the I mean I killed so I owe a great debt to those who are superstitious because they've given me all the great material to study. But yeah. And now I have that I mean. In knocking wood by the way it's kind of an interesting one it's always been sort of like you know. Shared good luck saying and very few people that I -- knock on wood when they're alone you know. But but no I'm I'm not. Superstitious really although I think we all aria I I once had an experience on an airplane where. There was a lot of turbulent and somebody pointed out that I was in the thirteen -- at that time and and for a moment there -- had a twinge of anxiety but then I realized the whole plane was going down not just Monroe. And that was comforting her yeah. Yeah. Eight everybody's door and I'll feel better animals and scratching. You can tell everybody that it's. -- -- didn't tell them on the plane the pilot you know worried about thirteen and throw it is no army folks we're all went down. And a column real quick with food glitzy you know I would like to book. Yeah no it's. It's it's. Bolivian magic this psychologist superstition it's out in a new revised to paperback edition and and I think people will enjoy. And real quick is it is karma. Or we college degree every year figure in any of this -- if you talk about something that you gonna jinx it or a. Well that's the common belief you know that that -- -- the -- is -- there there's. That actually there's a lot of interesting or challenging is slightly psychologist who -- anything -- Yet that's part of the deal and it's it's one of those things where he wanted to do the right thing -- not and and not affect the outcome. Proposal and today we have a file where we keep our favorite guest in -- wanna -- friend of ours we appreciate you coming on. 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