Dec 16, 2013|
: The first commander of Guantanamo says the prison should have never been opened. He thinks the whole concept is illegal. Does the law matter when it comes to terrorism? We were joined by Mike Lyons, CBS Military Consultant & Retired Army Major.
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That's or at least for for Pampers or and we can talk about something -- -- an -- and the first commander of one Colombo says Guantanamo. Should that have been open. Diligently my card lender. First -- a hundred viewers detention facility at Guantanamo Bay Cuba. The Detroit news to people and titled here's why it's -- -- and we closed one on. And a talk about that we've got my clients review military consultant and retired. Army. Major welcomed the sure appreciate it. What are your thoughts -- you read this did you hear about it. Actually. But that concern that you know this is clearly hindsight 20/20 by don't -- you to easily. Would not coming out and speak and -- kind of topic and I hope this is a prelude to running for congress or something at the kind of political opposite because. This could level criticism is that is pretty harsh considering the position he had information he had. And -- also proposes no alternatives rather than shut it down he claims that it was a mistake in the first place so. -- is in the right in the middle of the whole thing happened and doesn't really propose anything else but to shut it down right now. Michael liberal mind I act too much action on org that limited time to view the first of meander Guantanamo who. Publish a piece in Detroit news. But here's why it's long pass on the we closed -- column he was -- commander and dogma basically says that. -- shouldn't ever been open we have my client with the army major retired. Now consultancy bureau -- military with the major. Your thinking news. This guy didn't ever say this win when he held the position. And now you've -- could possibly be running all of this for doing something else. Because it comes up and says this and doesn't give any answers. Yeah it's a little bit concerning unions -- lots are usually general July options when they're retired. In the go to business to consult the problem for the fans but here's someone coming in being critical what the policy went back then and you say eat -- that we don't understand it. You can look back twelve years and say you know because it should've would've but it. At that point there's not a lot of -- -- protest towards putting. That prison in Guantanamo to two counts of captured. Terrorists are coming up about Afghanistan and Iraq. Instead of bringing back that states in the -- politicians still haven't figured out how to close yet and and though they're trying to working towards it but at this point those comments on topic -- very helpful. What what's the big problem closing. Most of them. Sixty prisoners that are still there that -- a guy named mark -- is down there. As the lead prosecutor trying to do. Put together a specific. Jurisdiction to specific. Quote. And trials against some of the prisoners there that number one number two. You have somebody it is good that there are not released back to a foreign country -- in the country won't take them back. In the world and about some of them would be around go back to Afghanistan let's say in the back of attack Americans so. There's lots of different -- of sizzle 260 different cases for each of the individual people there. Still it's just not that simple to just gotta close down and then everybody in the. Let me read excerpts from a couple of news pieces who. Talked about the spurs' current commander of Guantanamo -- and he's sitting depletion of urban open. On native born articles scissor to passages. Or Achilles striking. Personally would have believed to detain these would provide a treasure trove of information and intelligence. He points out he did not but more importantly. In its admission that the real purpose of the detentions. Wasn't intelligence gathering and not how dangerous they work if so this is it legal and valid reason for detention. As was up Obama's record -- Well you know these are considered prisoners of war that in the path to the -- treated back to their countries. In most cases. There the intelligence information they had would ghosts did -- at some point anyway. No one had anticipated it's the links a crime to be in Afghanistan and still. And I think that's what happens some of these individuals have sort of crack that nut. Been able to repatriated back certain -- countries that they have so. You know again if you were good intentions they were all about protecting Americans they are all about taking down terrorist network. And you you're talking about blue you know kind of one continues with regard as that process goes. I'm curious -- war war to world war and whatever battles we've -- Prisoners of war did we let you got to go back home with -- without fear that they might come back and attack again. Q prisoners of war even Vietnam you go back to the communities that were that an enemy. They were repeated once the war was over. There was. You know literally. Turned back to their host countries no matter how bad they were no matter what they did. That's the kind of relentless and that they were accused of war crimes does speak. And that was knowingly taking care random spot -- -- for the the secession of hostilities so. You know kind of back when there were rules that ended when warfare was much you know chemically -- At the end of the conflict there with the president of returns same thing in the United States remember back in the seventies when. POWs were returned from from north Vietnam as well. Yes and what's changed today. What's changed today is that an individual that joint terrorist organization he could have been born in Saudi Arabia born in Yemen more than any Middle Eastern country. Gross witness stand to try to see it has taken off the battlefield brought back. To Guantanamo was captured there -- brought back in the in question. And if he's determined not to have any. In -- soldiers -- at that point and no longer a threat we try to repeat it back to that country. What Saudi Arabia the one taken back -- if you know obviously the country never -- a citizen of Afghanistan. So that's the problem you have individuals there that that our young men without countries they need their country to host nation. I am no longer takes -- the responsibility for the animals take them back. Where other countries take -- -- and would we -- for them to other country. That's that's what's been the question -- it as to where they could go and you know you to take you know it's a country like Somalia and the often offering them. Any kind of freedom that you have to question -- to you know come on what's going on there what's what's the what's the purpose. They didn't want these individuals whining back on the battlefield and in some place like Somalia war back -- that terrorist organizations so. What would the government was trying to do was take these kinds of individuals that if you as the case against the -- get that prosecute them. That's just Morton Downey doing. Trying to put together these trials for which Sheikh Mohamed and others that are there. This thing is we we we weekly confuse the concept of they have the same rights as American citizens they don't. And that seems to get kind of clout in the argument to wise to be quoted about the Hawaii. In their rights are being violated. Other articles concerning his major general Michael -- Base at camp when he was there was an awful pleased when he ran it cool to. Detain these were -- in dog like cages and abuse. True and if so has that changed. Well no question it's changed right. And it's been opened up now to. Like Compton and yeah just sixty it was down look at that the campus in -- there's no question that. We're doing everything possible to run and he's mean as you mean Prisoner of War camp as possible. And whether that happens it first opened up under his watch and he want to talk about that again in the -- -- I'm not sure what. -- in any kind of you know good good time and effort that witnesses. Jobs that as a as as a general laughter QQ. Protecting American morals and writes back then it was. As it was today that he wants that make that -- team. Now than it was just that kind of a place. He's -- look no -- ago that was the case. And let me if something known for it on the line manager reading this and foreign policy initiative becomes a mortar nailed it stone. While we've been told the military budget is not that big here -- access as packed. The defense budget is relatively small slice of the fourteen plus trillion American and answer shrinking slights. As percentage -- are commonly percentage of our budget. The burden of dependents is declining. -- the and bear with me your bird thing. And where they call it a drop about who's very small fraction. Of the things fixing trillion dollar debt. They're read this so Wall Street Journal and general Martin -- Since. It would get a cut back on the pay and benefits and retirement that. He goes and uses what -- best of these young men and women over the last year at ten years. We can't pay them and having said that. We have an institution. To manage. -- -- who -- the culture it's it's seems to be a very fractional part of the the federal deficit. One of the cuts now. It is I'm not sure and then they had to and that all kinds of waste and abuse going on the federal government the fact. That they have. It's done military retirees is somewhat stunning. In the -- that I've talked about that day. You know that's just act like they've got to make in the future Davis who comes down to have to do the cola adjustment more class it you know ten or fifteen years now. But regardless -- -- the you know given the other places that can be cut which is somewhat surprising. That these two sides can look at these cuts now. You know you can look for congress you -- look at other places but in the government as the there's -- -- that sent people of this thing that that -- that worked for the government made him kind of cuts but you know again you look at the people with certain military and we'd like to think that they were paid that much to begin with -- and -- them in changing the rules so speak at this point is that. Yes it is -- there. I'd look at that -- look at it is. Hobbled by old incompatible computer system that depends department's payroll bureaucracy and clicks polishing errors on American warriors and its. Long article and Huffington Post about how we're treating those that are wounded. In the military. Where that big big cuts and paid the cuts and benefit cuts and retirement party -- recruit. I think. It's gonna make it more challenging but the kinda dirty little secret is the military is is really cutting back itself the army and I was going. It's probably eight divisions are so that off from twenty that we had -- the the Cold War twelve that we had for the past ten years. The the bar is going to get much higher for individuals that are coming in and then on top of that. For individuals that are currently serving so. They feel confident that they can make these changes and still. I'd get individuals to come active duty and and -- so and the military in the -- the power down to shift to shift to more westward. -- personal systems there I think that's that's probably part of simply. Will recruiters being obligated to say here's the retirement benefits were -- -- here's the -- we -- on the issue here of these educational benefits Mobley may not -- -- being able to deliver. I think that they won't make any promises bill bill just so laid out current. Regulations on what life is -- twenties they're twelve whatever the case maybe. You'll get secure our this this kind of pension. But I think. For them to make any kind of common now at this point would be just knew nothing more than a projection I think -- -- I think unfortunately. There's certain third real thing still security might be one of the development military pensions and retirement is -- You know you're gonna have to keep that in mind if you decide that you're gonna try to beat him -- cards and your future. Major always enjoyed talking to your purge itself and great holiday -- much American opinion. -- army major Michael and CBOs military consultant Olson retired from the --