Given the unique power of the state that is not enough for leaders to say trust us we won't abuse the data we collect. For history has too many examples when that trust has been breached. I'd its President Obama and his speech on Friday and you know my take on that is at those pretty good speech at -- Ottawa senator meaning that at the end of it. I think night so what exactly is gonna change here what do we do and and I didn't I wasn't able come up with anything Robert Ellis Smith joins us right now the editor. And publisher of the privacy journal in the morning Robert -- I'm well thank you thanks thanks for taking the time -- this what was your. I guess take away from the president's speech. Yeah I agree that there was plenty of rhetoric but in essence the president -- the problem. The candor on the road and so do going to be more studies -- -- I think Barack Obama's internally conflicted on this issue -- recognize is that. Constitutional framework he taught constitutional law. On the other hand I don't think he wants to block that huge intelligence establishment. In his government 101000 strong you know he -- I guess sees the value of this overkill information collection. You know what what I got from the speech after listening to it and reading it was that as a guy AG said that's. Conflict and -- and the way I what I think happened here is -- thinking he's got a set of ideals that he believes but then he was confronted with the realities of being president. And I think -- candidate that when he said he gets security briefings every day so he knows of the threats. -- -- ultimately the question comes down to Americans and privacy end and as opposed in protection and their own government as opposed it. Terrorist threats so he had gone back at Robert to do the whole things that Edwards and don't know all of things that it would Snowden. Head has said in the are Americans just being trampled all over by their own government. Well -- that I used that word but that even though American may be split on. What to do well this I think there's a clear consensus that. NSA overstepped its boundaries and did that was an overkill information collection here. And I wish the president. It's simply said we're gonna cut back on numerically. The quality of that information collection -- little by party happening. Our intelligence agency get the permission of a court. Beforehand. A less of an emergency situation. We have. Protocol in place from about thirty years I -- it worked extremely well. So I think there's a consensus here in the United States that the administration we cut back there was spending too much money. And resources on intelligence that I think the evidence shows most of it is not paid dividends for us and them. Period in fact that watchword within the intelligence community is when in doubt gathered and I think I think -- -- Libya it'll do what you have. There's plenty of information resources of these agencies that they're not using effectively. And just put it in context. Who was that they came on after all of his started and was made known and and they say you know what we really haven't stopped any attacks as a result of this. Well let's look at the presidential panel showed the -- -- appointed -- members of the world friendly to his administration and and that was it finding. And you kill camp ever been down and Wednesday. Where all of this information collection really has paid dividends there are some would say that. If we have had all of his employees. -- Years ago would have prevented the tragedy of 9/11 but it. These these nine elevenths commission itself didn't say that so that's that's the probable that you bowl loosened that we. You know politically what I think happens here is they continued to talk about it and then. They talk about it lasts and lasts and lasts and then something else comes up and pushes it further and further back in bottom line nothing changes. Yeah I think that's true I mean it is. It is an issue with very complex and very difficult but I think it. Can be resolved you know could trade them are equipped the president do them. Friday was trying to please both sides personal and try to street there's a problem with the rhetoric not with the actual. Actions that are gonna gonna cut back. That it started more than rhetoric against the bottom of the. And losing perspective Robert quickly tell me about the privacy journal. He you can reach us and privacy journal dot net it's a newsletter comes every month. Either part -- email and we report on all of these issues try to give people -- and how to protect their own privacy and ought to tell them about new. Technology it's coming along that might might affect their. -- privacy appreciate your time thank you Robert thank you.