Jan 21, 2014|
Garland talks with Corynne McSherry of the Electronic Frontier Foundation about the concept of net neutrality.
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Well it's not often angry in doing my homework on the Arab read something that only dead buttered side -- -- -- wondered anyway and the reason is. I think and I am probably wrong here and think it feels like it's gonna cost me. -- -- called both of -- more it it's called net. Neutrality and it was in USA Tuesday in this and it says. Consumer concerns in wake of federal communications commission's net neutrality defeat. Or just supplied or not. And it warns us cord cutters those that are. Trying to get up to a cable trying to get all of our regular TV is we -- -- and -- and say. Higher Netflix bills might just be the beginning of the back from the federal circuit quartz reefs and striking down. Of the federal communication commission's open Internet room it's. Over the all that said -- -- time or an expert we have Courtney thank goodness Koren cherry. Intellectual property directorate electronic frontier foundation. -- accused shall put true given me -- your time I'm lost. I don't think your. Yeah. Well. Think mentality is really kind of a terrible term. Yeah yeah. They're attempting to replace recently that we come up with a different terms -- makes a little more cents. -- two is the idea that certain providers should street. Internet traffic. Equal it should be the shipping news shall write whatever it is that your -- through those types should be treated just like anything. In. Google Lyndon. -- -- We're expecting pretty easily at the united you know when you don't say you watch a movie and Netflix. Right and you strain that it's. Watching -- movie and Netflix should basically you know that your experience and it should be the same whether it's on Netflix or or some other service may be some underdogs service that's just being developed right now. And at that -- and his then that will happen is it -- day -- service providers are gonna go to Netflix now and say okay. Think you should pay a little bit Netflix -- charge you a little bit more but it's true that you can get better access to your customers they're gonna have. Faster streaming with fewer problems than that now. And Netflix will say I will pay for the and what that means for consumers potentially two things one is that down the line their Netflix built may go up because of course. Netflix painful it means your pay for it back -- probably down the line at their academic credit to their profits -- it and -- what happens at all. What is -- not Netflix what if you are a little start -- that's just getting going and you wanna provide an alternate service. But you can't afford to pay those extra fees that Netflix can afford to pay. Are you going to be able to get anxious to to -- customers on the same on the scene. What in the same way. Or is it going to be harder for -- to break yet. And then from that -- perspective does that mean your pocket to get act we're not gonna get access to services we don't even know yet. That might be interesting and fun but. Maybe can't afford to buy. And everything are reduced crew agree if I'm wrong. -- Bono look at netbooks when a look at the broad band spectrum. Of broadcasting. And -- casting. Netflix is a big hall takes up -- that. I didn't is is this spectrum and limited. In its ability to carry. And -- -- if so are we getting near the saturation point. Surprised you were getting -- saturation point but certainly one of the things that service providers. As well that you know. Are providing a service that some people are using at a lot more than others and we think we actually should be able to make some decisions about that we're gonna push through and what we're not gonna push through. Based on basically what's what's the heaviest -- which. Now I think it's interesting that happened in unit so there was this decision last week -- Over a bunch of fools that the federal. Communication commission has put in place and -- kid basically require. Neutrality on the part of service providers and most of those were thrown out with one exception which is an obligation. -- the pressures writers to at least disclose. To their subscribers what it is that there -- to do which I think it's pretty crucial. Would what does that mean. Wouldn't give me an example of what character. Oh well you know this started because. Concerns that -- can't Comcast. Was. Not treating Arnold. Internet traffic equally but they -- -- secret out and they weren't telling their subscribers that that was. And it was just just one subscribers are distributed -- And published report about it. And that quite embarrassing for her -- they weren't telling their customers yet if you did that aren't a lot you know one particular service a lot. You are not -- experience that really well I think it's going to be really slow your experience that it's very very early computers could be there raiders left. But you'll know why it'll just steadily be -- you'll watch -- that's what is there requirement of disclosure so that basically they have to tell customers. We're treating these services differently. And showed that the -- by the the fast this is why they have to be honest about it. I'm worried particularly about ruling by the rather by a -- concern federal communication commission's. Net neutrality. Rules. And there it sure looks like there's some changes and and won't come back and truck program if this will literally cost of those. Pocketbook was. And I'm also gonna ask about a little tiny company called that includes her notes in the wrong Beriault eighty ERO. That everything are brilliant -- very successful. Pregnancies some major changes -- and coming right back stay with them. Ripping good about couldn't its consumer concerns in the wake of federal communication commission's net new trial that he did -- Here to help to understand what his suits. Koren McSherry. Electoral property director. Electronic frontier foundation. -- I'm breathing part of the story and and -- use it to be your quarters and it's it's quote that says. Companies were big deal is just as they -- dues to view and cable system or satellite system. And your Internet would not just 330422. Dollars a month it's going to be so much per month. Depending on what services -- dead. Where that -- -- student who's this mean basically we're gonna pay a whole lot more. -- -- -- It depends on what you want to pay for if you want if you want that Netflix service you may have to pay an additional premium and of course Harry detained for the Netflix service but now anyway chaos -- repaint. Your service provider. That benefit us because we don't would have paid for the 110 other channels we don't watch it. Look at it you could say that you know consumers want to make sure that. -- why not let consumers a choice twilight on how that option and that's certainly one of the argument that the -- -- They -- -- to carry everything for everybody maybe not everybody every thing. The line give consumers those those choices. A bit wary about that -- little -- is match. I think that of the first Ivanov consumers can afford to pay for all these other choices. And early -- about you know the -- that you don't even know about yet. Rightly -- and advanced because you're not to think of the united again it's back to certain that this happened just getting down. And you know words she used to get themselves to make that deal to get themselves on -- actually. I have to think about it. News services that we use now even public you know five years ago we are turning to Netflix is completely different so it it makes me very nervous. And you have a said the pay to play kind of system. -- Police were true or something goes to medium and time we have left little company called a real do I have that bright. -- I've read about that for Barry Diller's and it went and answers and it. Just assume that what much -- because everything I read say they've got little antenna. And they give you the intent and you grab over the air television signals. And then the stream them to two laws the subscribers. Over the Internet over phones were all over anything. With a network traveling conviction that causes suits dealing. There signaled when I first heard about it. I envisioned. A little intestinal on my top of -- TV again wanna. And at the back at them but that's of that photograph of -- intent seems to be a like a tiny speck in somebody's home is this something that gets attached to something or new TV and you just pick it up. And funny about. Areas service is what it is. They. How. It it's to provide the home for the antenna. To run in and the antenna sitting on top of your TV. The antenna is at the area those owned facility. And it's just boosts the signal boosters signal but. -- -- no matter -- really any different from an antenna on top of your and it's just not on top of yours that and that's what kind of funny to me about the case is that the broadcasters. -- -- Begin at the end and then on top energy that. Guy is Alex it's either that same day. If they can pull their signals and and given to us at a much reduced rate. In that big threat to the networks. I -- -- to them but that doesn't mean that they have a reason that this is the basis for a lot. I actually if you look at it and some of that filings in the legal filings in the case. And actually been able to show any real harm that imperialists content about the so there's a lot faster and much ado about nothing you know I think. And if you think -- -- a long history of you know that we've seen over and over. You've got a new interest in technology that provides some -- value for consumers. And that circuit traditional insurance interest go crazy -- this guy's gonna fall in the dollar and you know really the whole industry and then it turns out that doesn't happen. Actually you know the VCR in the academies you know act amended and ambulance that's the end of Hollywood and it turned out. -- would when when a look at what a pay for cable of the of the services. And then every bit among the leaves subscription. For review starts at eight blocks. Not allow subscribers to watch or record in the broadcast television. Through the Internet on -- applies small -- large no wires. No cable box and required. Ended dozens by assigning each consumer a remote in -- and and -- the -- Why -- would -- the seat to watch network television and certain channels on cable vision. The parade books are a little bit more I can pull -- prone to one source. Well it may be that that is in fact what she will do I mean to -- that -- you have access to it just slipped it. They'll provide access to to broadcast. Right and you've already working the public Airways and you know you. Right to the public every everyone in the public had a right to access the public airwaves. Area just makes it you hear true -- Abel lot and sometimes makes it easier areas just a new technology. But it's just one where they don't have to go hat in hand to their broadcasters and ask for permission. As you -- through the networks. Is that the cable and satellite companies that currently pay -- huge retransmission. The news. Might follow there you as lead to. That the broadcasters say it would destroy. You know I think they speculate that perhaps true but they haven't been able to show that in the markets where aerial is our AD located. For example in new he'll work I don't think they've been able to show lately and it stuck that I Brad. Any harm whatsoever -- me than their consumer base it's been has been actually damaged in any way -- that doctor in theory maybe they can be confident that it actually happened. And worked for more sitting on the consumer. And I represented consumer interest and I think from look at -- perspectives. Of great area -- fantastic and exactly what you. And this is heading for the Supreme Court. It is heading for the Supreme Court that's exactly right something very usual happened to which is that the broadcasters lot states. An and appellate court and so they went to the Supreme Court they said please review this case through court doesn't have to take case that it doesn't want to. And it about what's interesting is that -- so important that yeah I know that we think you should take its case -- we want a resolution once and for. A Koran to my education is for can be broad or from complete we'd like to call you back 210 times more. Over the coming here at. That they do so much very interesting I appreciated that talk. All right thank you take care.