Feb 3, 2014|
Garland talks with Mark Davis of Tulane University about the water shortage plaguing rural areas of the U.S.
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I've been reading headlines like this for quite a while ago. And initially the I've I've found him in person but I didn't connect -- to walks headlines like. Of the Colorado River. Running -- In the Gulf of California itself -- the -- brought Rupert normal reaches. Show for a war file. Declined dramatically if not -- league goal and as the approach quarters Rondo. In other -- severe drought has US -- triggering the worst. And when you think they've developed a little example of hyperbole bloopers and it says that says it's tell board is now. That route that dropped its corner right now. If California is threatening the states in tired drinking water supply. And the question is well. So what we do you -- -- water we drink you water. Unlike rouge and like Hannibal Missouri and anybody you know that in Minneapolis week that are. Water from the reverend aquifers or anything that you would -- it right. Surely so to verify what I was thinking and reading some areas. Always go to -- expert professor Mark Davis senior Richard -- director and resources. Water resources law and policy at Tulane and there's. Serve once again creatures that -- The reason I call you everything you do heard. One of the stories it's as in this possible complicity of these current reports. Las Vegas has a Graham proposal to take water from the mighty -- is that. And a series of -- was in polite exchanges among states. Bought the Mississippi. Two weeks ago the overused. -- river. -- is this really of the renders this just. -- at the moment it's mostly talk that it's -- it matters. That's not the only plan out there of its kind. Are there and in one way or another you know. We're either going to be seeing you know people and economic development moving to places that have more water. -- -- growing city in the movement. Tokyo water to places where we've -- -- been growing you know communities and farms and that's. There's does that. Suggest that it might it might to be a positive for us long term. I think that the positive for a long term if we if we get -- ducked under oh in understand. Is that we have a relative abundance of water not a absolutely have our own water shortage issues water management challenges. But again those places that have water and understand its value and plans for. Are probably going to do better what some call in the water economy. We give me an example of what you mean when you're saying don't soon. Well I think if you could tell from you know you know what the article Scott California and Nevada and Colorado New Mexico and Arizona. But those places that are already facing water shortage. And for them water conservation has not it is it's not something just you know environmental it's suggest it's a -- like. You're seeing that increasingly in Florida. And in Georgia and elsewhere. And those are places that the -- realized that we better have laws and policies and you know public education. That you recognize the value of this resource Louisiana isn't there at least they'll tend to view water. Something that just happens for me and even our coastal restoration players and you'll understand are all fundamentally dependent upon. You know they're being sufficient flows that river water to to implement those plants and that water is gonna happen automatically it's gonna have to be put in for. And -- having this conversation. A couple of days ago prudence. They said it was so that he siphoned some of the war of good news releases every year at river looks like it's over. Soon and it's no problem. And and correct media world -- well. One example that -- what are. The cubic feet long the rivers slows them uses less water. We could cancel alleged that could threaten our water supplies that it did not. And exaggerations -- real which is why we don't have water budget for the wheezing and we don't know surplus. There's no particular reason that we couldn't or wouldn't share war with the states. But you don't use water to be taken out of here without it being well grounded in what our needs are and what we think they're going to be. And read -- to give you an idea of how real it can be seeing him in 1968. Texas senator governor currently people might remember him -- older listeners. He developed a new water plan because they realize there and Texas would not have enough water ground. And the only place they -- they would get adequate supplies and that was twelve million acre feet per year. It was going to be from the Mississippi River and mean that's roughly the equivalent. The -- flow of the Colorado River. They were planning for -- leasing and they were planning for navigation network planning for the future the industrial port here they're planning protects its. And those plans didn't. It didn't come to fruition. But. They need didn't go away. And -- in. Great Lakes came to a similar realization few years ago and tankers started to show up. That never paid call poor they just poked their whole total water and left. And the Great Lakes are awfully big just like the Mississippi River. But if the rear of the lakes got there. -- three feet you feel that the edges and that's -- support of fresh water -- and the beaches and all those things -- And that it if you're not planning for those things. He can say you know. The -- 800000. Feet deep what would be if you feed off the top makes a big difference. Over that they -- about something different -- different Colorado River run by California's. Huge cry out right now our. Reportedly million tires they drinking water was threatened. More or think about is this really and truly -- the potential. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- a quote from with a vehicle experts it's -- deceive the mighty Colorado Rupert come to rebel. In it and if the miles north of the -- used the empty and this is from California there haven't quite a while they're seventy rural communities providing water 40000 people. -- out of water within six the -- to a 120 days. Drinking water and have to be brought in by truck if they can minutes to do that. And does municipal water distribution center in California and a variety. That it did not have an -- quarter to supplement that dwindling supplies of local agencies. That provides water to 25. Million people. We have Mark Davis with the professors senior research fellow director of the institute water resources. Law and policies to a new numbers and that this is something we always hear about California -- It seems like every year. Into a little bit worse because what -- -- there wasn't enough some old this year to really make up the difference. There hasn't been an island EC east and quite frankly. This is where changing climates -- and took pictures not a single quarter manager particularly in the west is not. Planning for the reality is changing climate irrespective of what the courses are and I mean. Now you know and so those articles in California have been drought -- and in 1970s. And governor brown and then got. Let's change -- that is. Less water available in roughly seventeen million more people -- for. So it's not just a question. You know it that it drought. The question of is there a sufficient amount of water to sustain the growth that we've been -- Putting he it's been putting -- -- water resources. And the answer is you know. And I don't in the nose recently meaningless in Louisiana and so agriculture. Leaders -- the content creation. They're yeah they're planning for a shift of certain types of agricultural waste from the west in the you know the central plains. Largely to places like Louisiana and -- weeks. Not because we don't you know if in a lot of problems however that comparatively speaking. This is the place that agriculture is likely to be in the itself to a place where industries that water dependent are likely to be in the evening. And it's a place that -- that if you're trying to figure out. Through them -- in the institutional investors -- Municipal bonds from New Orleans Laura Sacramento California. After Hurricane Katrina in my face Sacramento but don't start realizing tuchman has the same crummy levees that we had and there and water and you might actually preferred the launch mural that's starting to happen. You're starting to see the investment community. Counting on water sustainability water supplies and water stewardship as one of the things that term and win and -- -- invest in your community. So this is one of the reasons that Louisiana needs to care its first -- If we don't know much water we need Sydney at the bottom of the big district assistant in the United States. We will watch waters you know -- siphoned off and put on their use. And we have to now how much that we can -- Secondly. We have to understand that we here again entering something you know which has been called water economy. Where. Essentially you growth will go to those places that have water. And you can get -- won it two ways by being here naturally more demanding it to show up where you are gonna require. Being big investments. But that's where again and that's -- California. That's where Colorado that's where they have been mixed. There haven't put their -- there because they don't have water nearby. It's going to be a fascinating future. And Garland and in in ways that we haven't seen in over a hundred years. Where New Orleans you know society where was in the grew. Largely because of its proximity to this reverse system and the and the functions of the world. Louisiana. Could be one of the winners. But they have to be planning for. What one little question is this just a long term it's root root root were. The midwest California. -- bigger bigger trouble with water or and it could this be -- near term catastrophe. That in short or drugs a lot of people -- It could be it's going to be a bit of -- that's certainly a chronic problems. But what you see it's especially when you run into a drought conditions like you have in California or on the Colorado where management decisions are made. -- -- We can't provide water to use you use because we have to get those -- in the right now drinking water supplies. -- you know are gonna are gonna triumph over even environmental restoration. Over certain agriculture. And that's going to be in those are going to be hugely contentious. The real question is what to going to be wouldn't hear -- drinking water for a city in the desert. For water to sustain the -- like Louisiana. That's exactly what can governor currently put on the table. And in the you know doctor sure exactly you know that LSU. One of the things that got doctor gag me and it would be into this. Was beginning to look at what the effects of plants like the Texas plan. Be on coaxed. And up to that point people were assuming the -- was a caddie you know that's not what the story -- -- -- -- -- Snooki doing them a call you'll laugh on this subject but going to -- you anytime soon thank you for the time in the expertise all right. Those were marred Davis seized with the you know more resources institute did too -- and also and wall and policy. Come right back.