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2-25-14 1:10pm Angela: on child pornography

Feb 25, 2014|

Angela talks about the seedy world of child pornography and the effect it has on its victims with state trooper Melissa Matey, Lisa Fitzpatrick of APEX Community Advancement, and Dr. John W. Thompson of the Tulane Forensic Behavioral Science Institute.

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While I'm so glad you're joining us today. I think we have three very interesting hours. -- the of the first one's going to be tough and I hope you'll really pay attention because I think we have a lot to learn on the subject which is child porn. But in our second hour we're going to be talking to a forensic psychologist. Psychiatrist rather and not -- Ferris who's done recently done a story. On the drug compounds. Concerning the women who were drugged and allegedly drugged and raped. So I think with the prescription drug use issues we face coupled with other things we have a lot to learn on the -- to. And another third hour we are really gonna lighten up and I think we're gonna need -- Because Arthur party's gonna join us and we're gonna talk carnival what's -- happened this past weekend and what we have something to look forward to. In the next seminary days. Anyway. And North -- man was recently charged with running an international. Child pornography ring. He faces federal charges for allegedly operating two web sites. With more than 27000. Members. He allegedly also created tutorials. On how to lure underage boys into copper mining proper -- in positions. In another recent case the arrest of the New York youth basketball coach. -- an Ohio man who pretended he was Santa Claus. And a small town New York police chief who lectured students about sexual abuse. And then there was the nursery school operator in Los Angeles. Seemingly every -- people leading secret lives as child pornographer is in a world that has exploded because of the Internet. But according to authorities the greatest number of child predators. By the very people the kids know and trust and often -- family members. What is happening why are we hearing more and more about this very sick business. We'll talk about it is state trooper Melissa -- the state trooper a state police work hand in hand with the FBI to combat this. Lisa Fitz Patrick founder and executive director of apex. Always pursue excellence youth center. And by phone doctor John Thompson. Professor of psychiatry at Tulane medical school. And executive director of the Tulane forensic behavioral science institute and I think all three of you for joining us. Not an easy topic but one I I think the the case of the man he's been arrested and beat the spring to sort of the turning point for me. It was oh my gosh in rural America this is happening and to that degree. Was this pretty overpowering. I'd like to start with doctor Thompson. To ask what is. The sexual attraction. Of a child. Well thank you Angela -- four having on. You know law. The sexual attractions that every one. Is something that's. That's in eight in our and our being and well most of it. Mostly it is -- sexual attraction meaning network attracted individuals. That. You know that. Are easy trip for us in Iraq where. It makes sense for us in Iraq and but there are certain sub population. About general population. Less than 1% really it's actually attracted to children. You know that's that's difficult for them first realizes. And they have very difficult choices to make on two. Deal with that particular issues. Some. They engage and and sort of embraced. The whole idea of things actually inject into children. The kind of folks -- -- team with this -- -- -- things Internet operations. Are individuals that. Haven't embraced that desire and or. In some ways it probably desire. And want to teach other individuals and -- -- and it's unfortunately. You know they put their children at risk because of those behaviors. And but there is some sort of population that is. Particularly attracted to children along factual way. And and we end up with these kinds of things which in the worst cases. Those kind of attractions. Let me ask it for someone who. But is attracted to children. -- not to be attracted to adults. Usually. If you kind of look at those concentric circles global. The sexual important -- berries wide. And usually though -- some component. When an individual most attractive usually and most attracted to -- Opposite sex. That are. Age appropriate for them. -- files and to be attracted to children. But it doesn't mean that they're attracted. Other members either change some ups and checks. In May engage in behaviors and fear -- normal users and one spouses or was with individuals and their partners. I had the same time -- it and this kind of clandestine. Or secret life apart. From the behavior that appears normal. Even those in the most attracted to children so there's a wide variety. Of the spectrum. Within individuals they may be most attractive children but also -- issues with adults and here's what appear appropriate for the general public. I think it's pretty clear in our society that doing sexual acts with children is completely unacceptable. Do these people who are. Child predators really not see that or they just. The desire is so strong. Well there's a component of the desire but obviously. Not at all pedophiles are acting out towards children like that maturity -- an -- that majority. You know sort of live with the secret lives hello we're there attractions. And their whole lives acting on that particular attraction. So what you're seeing. He needs portrayal. You know in in the media and arrests. Are the people that are actually acting on the behavior and going out of their way on eager to embrace it. Periodically wealthy individuals where. You know they they get caught up. Collecting pornography and among a lot of pornography and some child pornography and within the pornography -- that's a different kind of population these guys. Which are and how that works or not there there are predators seeking out -- is that changing. Other individuals ways to make movies to share them other individuals. And that and there are basically. Operating. Separate and apart analogue no avail -- And they're doing -- away. That promote these kind of activities so. Obviously if you look at that -- population in that might be classified as attractive or -- or worse and worse and and -- site does not accept. This kind of behavior shouldn't. So you know we are seeing a proliferation for a lot different reasons you know Internet access so. A lot of it out sort living. Their own separate allies -- -- collecting whatever they lack. In pornography. From individuals. Locally. And now -- and sheer information -- And collecting information -- on the individual's own world. So on the amount that they can collect them -- they can view. Is you know tremendous and -- exponentially increased with the Internet. At the same time the police and the and the state troopers and talk about that the police -- much more sit in fine. And so. -- the police are increasing their surveillance activities. The sophistication of the of the Internet. Collection devices they have to -- to go behind the scenes. Where people used to be able -- themselves and -- in this kind of dark areas Internet they -- know how to navigate. And they're learning from arrested -- how to do. So we're likely to see more and more of these types of rest -- over time because. More -- being -- and and the police are much more sophisticated coaching. If someone born this way or is. Does this evolve as they grow -- You know. And that's always the chicken and a I think that. Each individual was born with a certain. He's sort of sexual preference it's not necessarily something that they. You know they necessarily. Or want or desire particularly if it's an odd sexual preference. But at the same time. There away either. You know look for pro social behaviors are pro social ways threatening. Social behavior. And then there and I socially. Aware is that against the law so. -- individuals that may have a propensity. And have not thought about it before. Get introduced the Internet and images that they may never seen who. But for the Internet. -- -- -- strongly attracted her desire of that kind of material. And then they tend to seek it out from there CC. But holes back and -- -- that appear to -- You know born with it and there's no way that they can feel like any other way to individuals that -- -- some for Clinton the and then the case. That they get on the Internet. Lead them to engage in behavior. But but for the most part these people though. What the haters are legal but haters are illegal. And there are occasions in the illegal behaviors does -- have a desire to do. And and and my belief that there are they can control behavior. Desire to do it in their treatment program -- help them do. But there are some that are willing to engage in treatment and want to engage in booking more -- social ways of being with her social. One or not. So we see the whole spectrum in our treatment programs. That we help. This pales in Iran and one of the state now hospitals we see the -- can actually see some people. You know I've always felt this way and difficult to change in the way they feel about things. But that won't try it and other individuals. When they didn't realize they had the -- Were introduced material and became very sexually excited by. And I had difficulty controlling it after that point. So in the cases inside the -- one attorneys consult me or the case that we are. You know there's really not. Sort of -- prototypical. Sexual -- and they make common. Why varieties and often times were losses. You know baggage from their use and -- and adulthood. And and their -- navigating life and ways. Some appropriate many times is totally in corporate. Doctor Thompson stay with us we're going to take a break -- were going to run. Talk with the state police and a woman who works with young people right after this I'm -- on WW well. We are talking about child pornography and it was brought to mind in the -- recent case couple weeks ability to springs where. A man was arrested for allegedly having this huge network and 27000 members on the Internet and it just goes on and on and we've been talking to doctor John Thompson of Tulane University. Professor of psychiatry. And we also have -- studio Lisa Fitzpatrick who's the founder and executive director of apex. And are wonderful French state trooper Melissa Nady who want. But does so much for us all the -- I'm gonna go back to doctor Thompson before we leave him. One you had mentioned that the states does have. Help does have treatment programs. So you believe that someone can be cured of this that's -- bad -- can but the reason I bring that up is because for years. When we would do stories on talk in the last twenty years. On the pedophile priests. It was always sort of understood that there really wasn't any help they may go into a treatment. But ultimately they had to be -- segregated from children. Yeah and -- that the common misconceptions so what we trial gears. Individual. Based on you know build level of involvement. The types of involvement they're engaged and so that there are individuals who use -- -- on the Internet but never -- what we call contacts -- actually could handle -- -- There are individuals as well who are engaged in one time and so -- behavior. Goes there those individuals are. Very responsive to treatment. So we really have the stratified the risk based on. The type of sense in the security fence. Along with a personality characteristics of the individual. To say who's gonna respond best and who's not. The kind of guys. That would be multiple. Contact victim -- in a lot of deception involved. Where they're women maybe now. You know on multiple crimes and years kindest to those people are very difficult to treat long term and that has to be a component of of the treatment that walls either incarceration core. Long term treatment. And patient as well mark various types of monitoring devices to keep communities safe when they do well in the community. Other it fuels. You know people are -- -- you know familial and maybe one time tree times. Where he can actually with a lot more involved those and pretty high. Non response rates to treatment. So it just depends are you looking at that particular show actual anger I struck -- -- And that and that type of program. -- treatment that you provide. To help them the managed. Both their desires and their abilities took him unreasonable way. For for trooper animal estimating. The work that goes into finding someone and we don't have to focus on that the man from Bonita springs. It just stood out because it was so enormous. That they found this network -- 27000 people and you know that separates. You know those allegations separate that's like a business. Vs some of these other more recent cases out of the state where it was a man dressed in Santa Claus and India coach. It's -- under that would doing it for their own self gratification. The bottom line kind of my question is is how do you even begin. To know who these people are. But we have a lot of detectives in in state police and and recently we just opened up or began and you investigative division which is our special investigative division has what it's named. And with that is a special victims units -- their focusing. Mainly on the child pornography and also on the sexual exploitation of children and we're working hand in hand with our federal partners the FBI Homeland Security. And multiple other law enforcement agencies to come back this type of crime. We've been focusing on it we know that it's. It's something that's hurting the citizens not just here in Louisiana but across the United States and really across the world because just is a doctor point at the Internet. Is a wealth of information for. Of course. Normal people. But it's also wealth of information for criminals. So -- we try every different avenue in -- every single day were coming up with new ways to combat this type of crime and to investigate. It's just it's a heartbreak for doctor Thompson for certainly anybody sitting in here. The impact on these children. A five year old or six year old being a affected like this certainly not just with photographs but clearly many of them are physically harmed. And and how did they get through that in their life. Yes Amanda. Obviously the first twelve -- the as a society is to take care of the kids have been victimized the main issues. -- -- have articles seen recently our work is one of the congress. And and recording. You know they're discovering. That -- either one of these now. Being viewed by individuals in the world. -- you know who's gonna live and work on the side. -- so long enough and arduous process. You know engaging them in treatment and helping them. To get treatment to recover from what they've been there you know obviously. Physical and emotional scars from that kind of -- Well there is a particular case it was actually went through the fifth circuit here of a woman who was molested and and photographed etc. As a young child and now she's in a teenager in her twenties and it is as that the Internet. And she she won the case because she's it's going to be millions of dollars in her treatment for the rest of her life. And I mean this gets more and more complex it's it's a tragedy and before I let the doctor ago. I read an article recently where there is an even deeper part of the web. Where they're now using infants. And I just I can't comprehend that. What is the net. You know that. -- and that I am real familiar with all I can -- is from years and years. Dealing with the interface between psychiatry in the law there's nothing that surprises me more. The and the ability. And individuals to inflict pain of your sights on each other and in some of the more severely. Anti social. Individuals in the world -- It's chain but it would not it would not surprise me because there's. There's money involved and it handers. Whenever there's money involved and fire. People would have material. -- across the material. It's it's sad commentary on the our society hill that we haven't is that we have to do you. They engage in what kind of behaviors. Doctor Thompson nine I appreciate your time very much and all of your insights into this it is clearly very complex issue and and again tragic more than anything else thank you wrote about. We're gonna go back everybody and we're going to be talking with at least Fitzpatrick. And -- trooper Melissa may stay with -- were talking about child pornography on Angela on them now let's go to the newsroom. And Christmas. While our subject -- child pornography once again because of that. Recent. Revelation and arrest of manatee springs who had an enormous network -- allegedly had an enormous network. Of photographs etc. and memberships on 27000 members to his. Whatever he was doing and it just brought to light that one this can happen anywhere to the extent because of the Internet now analysts. And it's just it's just painful to talk about. But I'm delighted that Lisa Fitzpatrick who's the founder and executive director of apex which is always pursue excellence youth center. And state trooper estimating here because we want to talk about. Now that we've heard the doctor give an explanation that's sort of what offices. What the attraction to children in the and it is not help business and it is dangerous. The real question is how say park it and so I ask you. They're not safe at all not in the staining each and I think it's a justice caregivers a step -- pastors parents. To really understand. The dangers that are out there. When I was shown my parents knew who what when where and why at all times who we have another depth of where children can get lost and they get lost in their own bedrooms. They can get lost in our own living rooms to get lost in her own churches and they can do that through the Internet and through. Cell phones and through pictures. And I think the recent rash of adolescent girl suicides that. Has come to light is that we're learning as our as a result of these pictures. Becoming public. And predators preying on children. Who are doing this behavior in their homes. But the predators are finding these pictures and publish. Right. As we've noted it isn't it is that the mean ugly old man stranger. Most of the time right it is someone they know it's someone they know and it can be someone in their home can be similar in their home some of their close to. Some children unknowingly and unwittingly. Victimized themselves. A camera left on. A picture sent to who they thought was a friend. Children engaging in activities that they thought was going to be kept amongst children and adults preying on this. File shares. You know we we have a very strict protocol the center absolutely no downloading a file share. Programs -- things like this because predators can hide information on your computer without you knowing it. Remotely from across the city. And that now you're not only exposed but. But as parents is caregivers you're liable for that information that has been stored unknowingly on your own computer. I'm looking at state -- who Allison who who made that the comment that I do have a great team of detectives and now especially unit which is very good news. But I still wonder but somebody has to say something to even. Make you look in that direction. Not necessarily. -- and I'm not gonna get into all of our investigative methods but it. We do have methods have of finding these predators and and getting on two different computer systems and and and virtually locating down through the Internet and that's where of course our detectives would gets search warrants and things like that that would. We go into the house take computers and of course we down the computers from there we have special. Equipment and software that will take the images off the computer find out where they were going. But but again every -- week we learn more and more so our investigative methods give batter batter. And once you've found that someone who has a whole. Number of pictures is there an effort than to try to find the children who were in the pictures. If we -- and if they're identifiable a lot of times they're not identifiable so. We'll do everything that we possibly can to to locate -- children again usually that is a difficult thing for us to do break. That the children are the victims here and and we got to make sure that that we're taking care of them that their secret that we're seeking help for them to advocate groups. And through hospitals and doctors and things like that because they are gonna have a -- -- -- a rough life ahead of them. Dealing with -- type of abuse. I just again. As our whole staff and talking on the subject trying to wrap our heads around. That appeal. And why is it whether it be the person who wants to participate in the pictures. Or into an actual act or just someone who wants to look at the pictures. What is. Unfortunately act act I don't know I mean we knew that these. It's it's so hard to it to describe these types of of crimes because I think it really tugs at everybody's heart strings and it's hard for these children it's hard for the troopers to investigate these types of crimes. But we're gonna do everything that we possibly -- to get these predators off the streets get him behind bars. If that means that they have to seek. The rehabilitation programs then. That's what we need to -- -- and we're gonna continue to work with again all of our. Law enforcement partners federal state local whoever we keen to get these people off the road in and get them to stop preying on children because. We wanna keep the children safe and again that that's the bottom line is to keep these kids safe. Right I think I think sometimes in all things in like we look for the lie so that we feel better about. Our response in our reaction and there are some things that there is no -- it just has to stop. Beautifully set -- take another break we'll be right back I'm Angela under the have you. Well we're talking about child pornography with some Lisa Fitzpatrick founder and executive director of apex. And also with state trooper Melissa made a with the state. Troopers of course worked with all of the law enforcement tried to stop this. And and you had seen an increase in activity in the last five or 10 means absolutely I am as big as the Internet get suite we always see an increase. But again I mean we we can work together and then the bigger the team that we build the bigger the task force is with. With all of our law enforcement partners that the more damage we can -- towards those those criminals in and get them behind bars I don't know. I can't really say if we ever put a stop to this I would like to. Be hopeful. And say absolutely but -- but again I mean there's there's so much criminal activity that happens on the Internet that. We can only join together and combative as as fast as possible. Someone had called him -- and it asked the question. Not even looking at child pornography is against the law and they questioned. Why that would be illegal. If 800 free speech. It's illegal because it's is that it is what it is just how pornography. Anybody that's photographed or videotaped under the ages of eighteen or seventeen depending on if you're looking at federal or state law. It it makes city legal suit even looking at the pictures is illegal as an and that would be. Testing also. Okay look let's talk about what parents can do -- really protect kids. One thing is that who what when where and why not just when you're outside the door right now but also when you're inside your home. Understanding your Internet. And understanding how it works parents if you don't know and grandparents custodial grandparents if you don't know how to in networks take a class understand how it works. Understand that every time your child or grandchild is on their telephone. Or on online that they are making themselves vulnerable to these predators. Girls answer modeling ads on anything from social media to. Want -- lists. Boys are encouraged. In the boys will be boys attitude. Two struck their masculinity. And these are predators who are. After your children in your own home. You work with some incredible kids and and some of them have been victim to this and how do you handle that and you're in your group. Many are referred to us after they've been identified. Many of our older teens. Are. Not willing to admit that they have been victims and then we have to work with local law enforcement or social service agencies. Of course we are mandated reporter so if we do find some -- to have to work with their parents. Many of them we suspect so we bring in. The parents sent a social worker because of their behaviors. And any child -- black shares the screen -- that's another thing for parents if you wakin and that's screen goes blank. It's it's time to step away from the computer and -- model what's on there. And we work with you know referrals to outside agencies for mental health issues overcoming that stigma of this really is a brain damaging. Event. And just as if your child had been damaged in any other portion of the body you would seek medical attention immediately it's time to seek medical attention for this -- And and if they will be damaged they will be getting will be united it's so it is they will be. And so we work closely with parents we have a monthly talk everyone that comes in we sit down we have a meal. And we talk about the hard stuff we talk about. How they can be exposed how they can make themselves vulnerable how they can themselves can victimize their own -- by their. It by behaviors that put them at risk and so we Tweety talk about to the Internet and how it works and and what's appropriate it's -- as well as we were saying that the issue of sexting so. You know let's say -- voice sends it to another guy it and sort of showing off what ever. Not realizing that it's gonna hit the Internet and then the predators -- on. Is that the connection. And a lot of times absolutely. The predators sleep on it it's published Internet -- and what our children are not realizing is that they are now both. The victim. And the predator simultaneous. This sexting that is happening with our young people. Again we see. Report after report after report that it results in tragedy all the way around. Sixteen year old boy is going to prison for the rest of their lives fifteen year old girls committing suicide. It's tragedy it's a brain damaging event and we've got to let our children and their parents know that this series. Is just down. Mostly about things but -- acting to that that. Other desert desert there's a really great tips for parents his house -- in -- need to look at the bigger picture because. The predators that are out there on the Internet are not just looking for pictures to share. A lot of times they're on their -- these chat rooms in their on FaceBook and all these other social media sites and they may be posing as a thirteen or fourteen year old boy -- another thirteen or fourteen year old girl in and then the next thing you know. Where arresting somebody for computer -- solicitation of a minor. Where -- could've been some sort of rape or something that they can happen there's -- there's there's a very much larger picture. Attached to child pornography because. The one instance a -- not if he can again lead to you that person wanting to get more physical. Which is with -- as young kids so that's what we're trying to prevent and we really want people with information if you know of something please Collison let us know. Either at Homeland Security. Or the FBI Louisiana state police are you or your local law enforcement agencies get with -- and will do everything that we possibly team to put these these predators -- I'm bars I was reading an article -- it was a man writing to. Somebody who had a network and he was saying I've been lonely and an -- child predator and acknowledges all of my line. Always prefer children. But I'm lonely because the people I'm around are like me but now that I've found this network I feel like I have -- Essentially is what -- -- I like -- more accepted like they're more accepted. It's finding a like minded people but it just said volumes that sometimes it isn't just about money. That these people have created these networks it's for is somebody -- are posted status. That this there's this underground world. Very very creek. Absolutely in this this even goes into. That the child sex trafficking and human trafficking which is completely different to prostitution I think a lot of people get that mixed up but that can. This is what that can lead to -- and it's scary and and we want to make sure that we we remain focused and committed to keeping. Not just Louisiana's children safe but across our nation and and we can do that are working together and and building these partnerships with law enforcement because. Again it it's not just here in our backyard it's everywhere and it's it's and it's everywhere you turn it's it's in your neighborhood. It's in your church it's in your communities and so again if people have information please let us now. Absolutely and as we started this program it's. -- -- what's the guy dressing -- Santa Claus it's the police chief for the small town in New York it's the basketball coach married with two kids. I mean unbelievable. Not to terrify -- but to make us alert and again as we started with the arrest of the man and -- it can be anyway. And it can be anywhere stay with us we'll be right back on Angela on WWL. I wanna thank Lisa Fitz Patrick and I want to thank state trooper Melissa mating and of course doctor John Thompson. For enlightening us about child pornography and -- gonna continue. Hitting the subject because it's just got to end at some point now let's go to the newsroom.