Feb 26, 2014|
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-- welcome back we're thinking about news that opponents countered truck they -- As issued plans to shrink the army to the small was -- since -- or World War II. And we're trying to get better handle on exactly what this means for now in particular for the future of Larry Korb in the senior fellow with the Center for American Progress is -- security program former assistant secretary -- -- Larry thank you for joining. -- What's what's your take on this good idea that I did. It's a good idea and I think people really -- or -- The army before. We went into Iraq and Afghanistan was 490 -- nobody would say. That's just all a sense and you know look all world war true. He grew to 570000. When we were you know deeply and matched in Iraq and Afghanistan. I think it's -- it's laid -- down to 490000. It's not even there yet I mean right now about 120000. It's projected -- ago and by the end of 2850 to 490000. And then watched as the big changeable spending on defense it can go down to. They beat and 400 and and and 50000 or force ourselves. Which has been numbered you know people upset the smallest since. Before world war two and the fact this is not -- they'll Panetta said this practice in that 2011. That that since the direction we were well. And I think it's important keep in line to people would confuse these things the army. You know prior to World War II war also -- -- -- -- -- which the army corps. So if you put that aren't the active army the air force together it's you know. Close to 700000. -- at the board Mercer and it's still about one point two million people. Look toward the George chief of staff Tyrone board would they -- And anybody don't poll of congress' it looked like congress applied to -- would assume you're gonna have a lot of states that have. Congress has got a choice because you -- defense budget for what it has been. It's a product that what we call the budget control. Which will once enacted in 2011. Because what -- some people call what people party people refused. To raise the debt debt ceiling on the last they agreed to make these cuts both the defense and non defense -- programs. On number President Obama has said OK I'm staying with that were just 496. Billion. And others you know 26 billion for defense -- the congress is gonna have to wait that if they do that then you know well money. To do so among other things and the in the difference archer. And President Obama had said. That on fiscal year sixteenth. To nineteen you'd like to added another -- -- eleven. If you do that and the army will you know bought them out and about 450. If you don't he -- about the 420000. Abroad as of French quote in New York tones wondered as Cuba. It's my depends so expert at the center for strategic and international studies. And a former bugs are ripping into the general who is and warm achieves that. She said. Normally won't say you have given human train these guys we need six months to get there. If American troops are suddenly cold will durables and them in the way and then more of them were going to dot. These lenders and what that means. Got a -- I mean you could spend all watch it on security. And still couldn't you know -- every contingency. The choice right now given the high cost of military personnel. And it is do you wanna -- the new weapons and trade them or you want to keep the numbers I mean and -- of choice were making. Remember you know again when you go back to war before world war -- at the seventeenth largest army in the world right. Today we then 40%. What -- whole world spends on defense. Warden at sixteen you know off you know authored our nations in the world combined. Also for more allies you know other than you know Russia and and and and China. So where spent an awful lot of money and the deal and I think we're not good standard Bob gates there was the secretary of defense. You know the -- in any state on -- -- opposite. You know any secretary who recommend sending large land army into. And you know a Third World countries or -- out. Knock on such a large number of troop. And we're gonna use drones and special forces that means is you know the future and rely on air and and and naval power. Which isn't that -- -- the war Vietnam the Nixon doctor -- global air wars and Egypt and we caught the army by him in people. -- and administration. The that you just mentioned technology drones. As cyber warfare I'm mentioning. And -- and makes you wonder -- you for at least a year. Will fund the eleven. Aircraft carriers and -- and telling you still going to be in place. Do you see -- time in the not too distant future where were. Much more fighting that cyber warfare in drone warfare and a different kind of warfare. Well there are only fact if you look at the budget this year they increased spending on cyber warfare. The air force the air force planes are on the hands or what we were not called called. And the ones you know -- it up the treaty even back in there you know in nineteen -- forty special forces they're like 70000 people now. In a special forces so you know what you want to get that ought to use the special forces -- and in you know army. If you should decide for whatever reason to get involved in a large land -- called the gardeners are we get great. During a the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Itself I mean -- -- -- you know another you know six or 700000. There he could be. The but the guards gonna have Doris who reshaped onto -- going to be patchy. -- attack helicopters. Transferred to active duty and Oregon would transfer to Blackhawk helicopters to the guard there they're gonna change that equipment that. -- again that makes sense because the -- remember as a dual mission and it's not just the back up the act that forces in case of emergency. They also have a statement should. -- GL -- that they'll do you much sportier you know you know trying to rescue people formal one for example fly in supplies the block -- are. Better about it and you know I think that makes. A great deal of sense because what you do now. -- you gave them a system that can be to use what they are they do a responsibility to the states as well as to the are that the that the federal government. When we come back. When Google little bit different direction with the I've been curious. We're doing a lot of shows over the years about. People who -- no looters spent more than one tour. Changes to their health insurance. Changed its -- potential changes to retirement benefits. -- Not being treated very well by BA and its. As give it for an in a -- that if we had to jump back up. And expand in some form of the -- Can we do it in today's hybrid community communicated society. Where everybody here's the things in real time coming right back WOK bigger celebrity as a model five Andrea. Well it's not scientific but it -- -- -- -- Broke -- the polls at all it's our daily improvement jog or a double to -- opinion poll we asked. Would military cuts -- What you want your childhood joy in the armed forces and 85%. Of these Satan oh. Let me hazard to guess that it may be because to things like it is department rating currently did my homework right. Fiscal budget for the or meaty bit called Forbes slowing grow the tax free housing allowances. For the military personnel -- -- -- pretty you'll pay that cuts back on benefits. Reduced to one point four billion dollar subsidy provided to military officers. At two big -- interim big savings. For the military. Increase in health insurance deductibles. Some cold days from military retirees. And for some family members have acted servicemen. And their their bill a lot of talk nothing done to pour and certainly not in the new budget. But retirement benefits have come under question and how many shows have we done. On the way. The veterans from -- in Afghanistan or not being treated when they go back to the United States. We've got an expert here with plenty of expertise intra questions Larry Korb. Senior fellow with -- for American progress his national security program. And former assistant secretary of defense. Larry long questions but can and he. Rebuild. If they go to and who wants the 450000. Troops. -- -- -- in short order would be damaged itself that are now. Oh yeah out very definite but again and you catch against itself. You know to do to do a lot. Our identity to separate you know the -- you were talking about. We all 90% of the western soldiers and arranged. Bore the brunt of the fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan I'm not gonna retire. They need to be taken care of the that's a separate -- is not the Pentagon budget so the Pentagon budget political opera doesn't you know impact them at all. No matter and -- are talking about that the current budget. They're not happy with. Well. Because it all works together that is -- recruiting. Whether we're pro it's fine expect -- -- and people out of the Serb strike. OK I mean. According was. At the height of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and we gave. Are the norm in Emery is a couple 100000 moral waivers to people with criminal convictions and one high school graduates don't even -- a felony convictions. That's caused the whole other set of problems were were negated to. And that we see what people don't understand. People volunteer for shall we created at night they had something to do with the sugar tree killers will have a comparatively small active duty army. Because on like that worked out for the pay competitive wage. In during the great -- for two years ago that real live almost you know the first year. And that apple corps reserve which for the first time is going to be -- reason or so we can call the ball we need -- but he. If you get into long war -- Christians and Iraq and Afghanistan. You're supposed. If they draft to select the -- we didn't go. Because the Bush Administration did not want to have that debate in this country about whether Iraq was necessary. So he took some of the people there but don't you take in people you should have what you need to get people local state and I'm in between. Deployments. You know before they went. Connect created all kind of a mental problems and suicide rates still limping you know -- with. But the other thing that you mention about you know military pay and benefits. We always. What we promised people one million less -- a day in terms of what they would get a date you know stated. For example housing allowances -- as well accompanist 75%. All you know you're -- -- -- -- 90%. To one up very quickly in the budget was you know bubbling and nobody paid you know attraction to. Tri care about health care plan fees were not ready for the our team here. And so what happened. That. The government chair was supposed to be 75%. The individual. Mostly retirees 25 out individually -- 8% so that trying to. You know wall that back in the direction and more able to boldly all it -- at about thirteen of 14%. And you know that is the whole thing about you know we went through a political -- that's one reductions that you know. Patty Murray and Paul why it you know what did. It was -- working age retirees. Basically because -- More than it was supposed do okay. Today they're they're it was higher than that promised -- then I don't even with that -- When he -- it shall sit there retirement there as well as well -- 40%. Other than 50%. Undated itself. Even when you factor everything out people are much better than they were promised when they would -- when they -- Row on the radio talk show when you've got a situation -- important there's been complicated. It's always extremely good viable former assistant secretary Bentsen thank you so much for the time. And they don't -- a lot better could talk. Larry Korb -- -- -- for American progress was from security program and former assistant secretary of the -- on the -- Still. Meet. Imminent -- Ryan apprentice.