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2-27 8:45am Tommy, wind turbines and hurricanes

Feb 27, 2014|

Tommy talks to Dr. Stephen Rose, a wind power expert with Carnegie Mellon, and David Muth, the Louisiana State Director for the National Wildlife Federation, about a new study on wind turbines and hurricanes

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Retirement this plan and it is very very new but it is some testing is indicated that if you put some wind turbines. Out in the gulf and they modeled it after Katrina. And -- -- that affected the same areas as. Katrina and sandy combined. That they could. Believe it or not greatly. Decrees the storm surge associated with hurricanes and also knocked down on the winds pretty -- Stephen Rose joins us right now wind power expert at Carnegie Mellon university in David Meehan -- National Wildlife Federation and Louisiana State director good morning gentlemen. Good morning thanks taking the time -- and I'll start with you. Stephen and guess and it's doctor Stephen Rose. Agassi was and that's good you work hard commitments while we striding knowledge. Tell me from what you know of this already. We've gone through -- years away with trying to get money from the federal government. Rebuilt levees trying to -- reason flood insurance or -- because it would price people out of their homes. When it comes this -- -- would just have to be up a private enterprise that funds this and then in exchange they would get. Whatever powers generated is that a workable model. That -- mostly farm to develop today that at some private entity. Built these wind -- because they can make money out of it. And this new research shows that you may also be able to get an added bonus says protection -- I was lucky enough to go to Hawaii last year and I. I saw on some of the islands they have the wind farms negation column and you can't really notice them unless you look. But I guess it's different if if you're right up on top of the -- what Taylor lived next -- what are some of the I guess downsides is if you will or some of the complaints of people have made about these things already. Well some of the complete certain noise but you have to fairly close to wind turbine -- the election model to really hear it. And then one of the big complaints especially about offshore wind turbine is just it's interfering with a view there's been a project they've been working on her. Probably ten years goes to Massachusetts to build up with an offshore wind farm and that and a lot of opposition for people living there don't -- he went Irvine out differently. Yet not to bring politics into it but some very powerful people didn't like. So did blitz coated David news now the National Wildlife Federation Louisiana State director of that. David when you -- plan like this and again it's still very very early what are some of the I guess no warning flags that come up or red flags and some of the concerns that you would have. Well first -- thanks sir for having us on I. You know obviously you know we haven't had a chance to study this proposal that the scale of it is. Pretty much off the charts. When you're talking about trying to to do it enough to affect hurricanes in terms of the number of turbines. I'm in that yet supports. Responsible wind energy development because it's it's one of the -- the ways that we have. Of dealing with climate change. But obviously. Everything depends on the details of the Gulf of Mexico. It is obviously incredibly important awhile lights Arctic fisheries. To migratory bird billions of birds migrate across the Gulf of Mexico. Using medicine and again and again. Without knowing too much of the details. You know most of that migration takes place at a pretty good elevation. But it's always in. In the extraordinary circumstances did you have to worry about collisions so. It's too early to say. -- When he's on the charts would you be talking primarily about birds are. Is there anyway this would affect what goes on under the water. Well that that level of construction out there at the infrastructure. Etc. could obviously affect what's going -- the water content and you know it's a proposal is to in effect changing nature. Now which is what were slow again Kurt gains would do and that's gonna have. Consequences both good and -- -- going to be unintended consequences. You know are coast. You call with hurricanes hurricanes actually players huge role. In the redistribution of sediment into marshes today so it's not as if there's nothing but damage in terms of an actual world. I think are are. Our general feeling is that developing wind energy in the gulf is something that ought to be looked at very carefully com. Attempting to change nature is another question that seems to us that it's better to do we know works -- -- To build more resilient communities cannot pretend. We're not gonna -- hurricanes living on the Gulf Coast. -- I and to restore the delta to restore some of Portland offers reduced health. -- -- Element connect to Stephen here doctors -- rose one power expert at Carnegie Mellon when it comes to. And again this is so early but for those of us that are very concerned about hurricanes here and now in the northeast obviously after sandy. Did does that -- doctor rose like something they could actually work to you. -- It. This research is correct about -- expected to be turbines have on parking and and I'm not enough for hurricane expert. Do you judge that that. If that works. This could this could potentially work but I want echo what they said about. The skill to be off the chart. In the steady when they looked at hurricane Katrina and protecting New Orleans. You're talking about building more wind turbines. Are quite as many interpret that it didn't go into in the entire world -- today. It's a lot. -- in terms of what this would look like and just trying to get an and I handle -- are we talking about an entire. Chain. Oh win -- going across a golf at one level would they be staggered. Is even too early to tell me would be two rows of these things generally speaking when it comes to it. To win -- and when power and when you mentioned off the coast of Massachusetts that was done there. So they had -- Been built up because about -- you -- like nobody's building wind farms and -- But dynamic on some kind of problem where people complained about. Whatever the problem was off coast of Massachusetts. People complained about a bunch of different issues in Massachusetts I'm one of them with you lose today they were talking about environmental. Even before they were constructed. YOK. Just listen thank their -- the Specter of a -- and concern. It'll I think what that would look like he would. You know rose 7051020. Roads that wind turbines space. Miners half a mile apart. Along the -- for. Probably hundreds of -- it would be a lot of winter and. And David -- test. Jazeera Sinatra and -- that doesn't sit very well with you doesn't. Well again. Obviously you know rows of twenty of these things. Every half mile it would be hard to believe that that would have an immense impact on specially migratory birds. It would be hard to believe that it wouldn't target that scale because but again I'm not gonna. Got a projected him and I do could potentially put -- this particular outside the box that we need to start. Again all of these things have to be have to be measured on the merits of the specific project and and again. Offshore wind development is a great idea which has to do it right right place. Done about it David rattling of a two wanting you set about hurricanes not necessarily meaning. Being rather a bad thing is that up to a certain point because young also have the coastal erosion aspect they're ranked. Absolutely I mean there every everything that tradeoff and so when you have. When you have a section of the delta and its. Italian. In the declining load when it's no longer being built by the river. That hurricanes can speed up the decline by. That that generally happens aren't in more interior of pressure martians. And we you have rewarded and those -- to actually recover quite well. From hurricane damage -- it's really in the in the marshes that are down in the sultry areas that that hurricanes have a very important effect which is to -- which is to fix that a drop off the bottom. Of the base -- and put it into those martians and that's that's one of the reasons they can keep up with fuel -- up to a point where. I would just let at a time Stephen Rose less question for you Internet age and where there have been wind farms I guess sir. -- in crunch in the numbers what do they show would would it be feasible for radio wind farm where where there's somebody -- them and then just reaps the benefits of him in terms of energy that they itself. Yeah they're they're feasible today. It not been built -- US for a couple of reasons but one of the reasons. Offshore wind turbines are fairly expensive and nobody knows -- been linked to commit to being good paying more for the power. The state of Massachusetts and it's about you but. That's what the big hurdle it's expensive. Appreciate you both doctor Stephen Rose when power expert at Carnegie Mellon. And on David -- the Louisiana State director of the National Wildlife Federation thank you gentlemen have a good day thank you --