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3-5 9:20am Tommy, Ukraine crisis

Mar 5, 2014|

Tommy talks to Dr. Michael Huelshoff, a UNO Professor of Political Science & an expert in International Relations, about the situation in Ukraine

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Automatically Generated Transcript (may not be 100% accurate)

92 money Tommy Tiger -- you we've been pretty busy with money growing here and then. Thank goodness we were able to ignore the events in the world for a while give us a little break but. Things are kind of heat up in Russia with the trouble with the Ukraine Ukraine's trouble with the Russians and everyone a look at it they have. Spoken of economic -- sanctions against Moscow is understandably now Russia's -- all of they do that will confiscate US and European. Assets. And a lot of us know of this and we don't know about it and Michael who's a -- fly a chair of political sciences department at my alma money you know and a specialist in international relations joins us now to sort all this out good morning doctor how you Dylan. Well a very well thank you -- let's go back to the beginning of this for people it kind of picked it up and and certainly I know has some trouble gone on over the airway and all of this start. Look at it differently and and government Ukraine rejected today an agreement to. Trying to. -- percent of political economic and cultural relationship strategically it. The European Union in Iraq and government to -- that they have been -- for a long time. And -- the government rejected. Yeah protests broke out the agreement were very popular in the general public particularly in the western side Ukraine. And the court that he kept it. And spending -- -- some months now and did what they are returning particularly violent. The government collapsed apartment split it and a new government took place that when the Russians started. -- -- in the Crimean peninsula. Let me let me take a step back even further because if wait did -- so hit union broke up and I'm not trying to be -- your doctor but. So the U Ukraine was still under the control of the Russian answer is this all about what right does Russia have to tell the Ukraine -- to do. It that week that you know you're hitting the nail on the -- really. Went by the Soviet Union broke up Ukraine became an independent state. But the Russians have always treated what they called in Europe broad. But the country's near them as special cases and their relation to other countries technically speaking Ukraine's independent nation state and then look for almost the start. But -- -- at a very core relationship with Russia and and the European Union and Eastern Europe first in the Baltic state. Where. Which said the -- -- the Soviet Union there was a good deal protests there and confirmed from Moscow. And as the union -- -- -- new members -- Armenians -- in. Important. If you Craig would've brought that and not but membership in Europe including it was a result in -- Step in that virtual property Ukraine in -- but the -- -- you that's going to step too far they had been supporting this particular. Government for awhile. And -- public protests. Led to its collapse. Well we cracked but at. For people who don't follow international affairs to close you know under the presumption that. You know in -- animal cells Soviet Union broke up guests. It was clear out the spot and is there. Here. Anyway. A bomb that democracy had broken out in that part in the world that there was no threat against if you could compare and contrast. The old Soviet Union now that part of the world keeps and it is -- referred to as a region because rushes out for Ukraine's country. Explain what it was like -- and really not perception but really what it's like now. We're in Russia thought it was certainly very great hopes war. While opposite. And it is kind of overwhelmed by Russian history Russian. -- economic problems. In and I suppose you get that the failures of the democratic movement movement there were many of them there. Particularly. That that. Replaced there's old Soviet Union that Boris Yeltsin. Awards. Certainly lean democratic but you know these are all folks who came out of legal system and didn't understand what that meant and with. Wouldn't collect first election as president many years ago and now. So that Russia. He -- that'll get really respect them more authoritarian. All the government and that's really what we have a -- now it's not. Full blown the libertarian -- and full blown democracy public between. The countries around it like Ukraine. All that sort of democratic -- right after -- 91 of the collapsed. But they are also sort of back in the way that you look at you know the old government that just -- -- -- they're a bunch of of course. I and has just been canceled -- seventeen billion dollars economy and so. Some of these countries to back with Terry welcome it's not not like you liked the old Soviet Union days -- yet. Huge secret police that -- ever in life but it's -- -- the smoke. Erosion of Democrat. Principles that would ever so. So in terms of of the old Soviet Union and in what countries now are not part of Russia Russia. Is far and away the largest country there remains of the old Soviet Union and is the most like it. I I wouldn't say that I mean if you look at some of the other constituent parts particularly to the south of Russian territory many apparently did anything in the reform movement at all. And countries like him on other. Yeah so -- and say what countries would be related to reform. Some of the old. Southern republics Tajikistan. Certainly. We have reformed and Georgia that were partially successful or not. It would be even more towards the democratic side and then that structure it. But many of those inspectors in many of those those countries that we couldn't be considered democracies -- any period of time. After what -- -- sleeping and but I mean on a scale with them a little further important partner in Russia that. Robert -- regime that we -- very. Over. There. Free personal and different. You you broke out there users not. There not. -- bomb went. In what is reason for that why you would think that after. Now maybe it goes to prison you know some people that are in prison don't know how to deal with like -- outside is it. That the people were repressed for so long native -- handle democracy they wanted to be told what to do and where to do it. There's some of that in the air I think we underestimate how hard it is to make democracy work we know that. That new democracies for example are the most dangerous countries in the world but the ones most likely it all conflicts. We know that they'd at very low probability of staying democracies -- and the time. It's a very difficult transition. From a portrait of democracy we have a lot of -- It sort of that into that old elite left that does not do anything different. -- don't have a lot of police say democracy. And they don't really know that means the same story about the night before the rush rush -- -- collapsed. There's an American academic in Moscow. He got a phone call from one of these contacts who has. What do Boris Yeltsin and then. Well who would become the president of Russia. And -- I call him up and said you know we're talking about -- signing that treaty in the Soviet Union and we don't know what term used to refer to. In certain terms assault in democracy -- in American academic to define them for. -- no idea what -- now and only use their. Real. -- -- -- there. The -- you tell me it was like yes we have democracy what's democracy. -- -- people on the and inflict its alert sort of thing. You know -- totally -- beat out that -- take about five -- it's elections after. Establishment of democracy before country begin to start looking. Sort of fitting into the western pattern. Political party or English to me about you know. -- the right time to me about gluten for people I don't know. Who's this is query came from -- ideas. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- That's what he sees where he broke agent in the east Germany. -- -- current democratic republic. That's where. And you know that. That -- that the vehicle practical that is what you you know -- -- -- -- And the federal. Out of the collapse of the Soviet Union. And it paid you know increase in the political figure as the corruption around the first presidency Portugal presidency is really. To block -- vote on. And he came in with a reputation for port being not so much at art liner democratic rather. Non corrupt people all over him you know a man's man and that is that you might. -- certainly cultivated that that the balloon. -- -- -- It is it is our commitment -- any -- politician in Russia that it does and it's probably somebody that's. Early isn't that before we live together as a run out of time how likely is it that if the United States gets involved here becomes -- I galvanizing agent and we lined up with -- an old Soviet Union again. I think -- likely. I think more likely or arc -- figure out how to respond in I think the biggest difficulty and we will -- I mean we wept not just the United States. Is that the Europeans are very dependent upon Russian natural gas and oil. But the big pipeline that and answer session that were -- a couple of decades ago. Places these huge constraint on on the Europeans ability to follow through with the sanctions and the Germans -- -- very heavily invest literature and in I think part time. Shingles in as the the Russian parliament now threatening legal assets. Nationalized by the by the Russian so. More likely to -- -- something Russia -- the Crimea. You know. Both -- declared as a a victory domestically. Its relationship with the west toward being bad and the worse. But I don't think it's been going for them and I hope that I'm not right. That this could be it could be heard. We -- to doctor thank you so much for your time I really mean you'd taken something very complex and it is understandable.

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