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We have but Terry Smith the executive director action against the directional zone -- that Terry. Welcome Ryo thank you and margarine as an executive director and student ratio you have -- museum and -- The Toledo. -- but Motorola store review -- you. When we talk about the legalization and other issues regarding marijuana. To frame it as a public health issue more than an individual issues is the perspective that I taken as a prevention professional. And the reality is is that. With all other substances is a lot of data that. Indicates that when you increase access and availability. To substances of abuse. The used will use more there. He's rises. And so if we were to open up. Marijuana. Availability within our communities we will see an impact in our youth and I don't know if that is a good idea. I'm well fifties that addiction is delivering science but it really -- and on the studies the brain and out on top and also alcohol and nicotine we know that youth and adolescence is the most dangerous time. For them to be use and already we have to. Legal drugs that are regulated that -- back -- and alcohol and we know that we have used to use com marijuana presents additional problems and -- Well we know it's science now and especially brain sciences at. We can prevent the use during dot adolescents are using these substances you can almost prevent addiction and how large amount of the population. Because addiction happens. At a very young age okay -- there's 10% of the population that's just genetically. I did I did double to substances. But huge. Push and prevention is to keep drugs of any kind. Whether it's alcohol or tobacco and in this case marijuana out of the hands of views. And it seems like when we legalize them even when we regulate and went on to a good job doing Marjorie. Well for small. I wanna make it very clear that legalization and now one is -- table in Louisiana has been on the table and we -- no legislative proposal to legalize marijuana in Louisiana. And so really Louisiana doesn't need him in his conversation right now. But to the extent that we're gonna have a conversation about legalization advocates say that no place it's discussing. Legalization has ever. Putting in on any provisions that would that would make it legally available to minors. So really to talk about legalization for minors is a totally false argument right now in Louisiana that said. Marijuana is illegal now in Louisiana. And yet we know young people find ways to access -- young people do use now -- and -- the question is not how can we keep that away from them because we can't or not now the question is. How to protect them. From doing something from hurting themselves with something that they already do and with respect the legalization argument which again is not really on the table in Louisiana but with respect to that argument. On it would probably be better to allow people to get something from people who were legally licensed to sell it to them in a legitimate way rather than they can turn to criminals. To get something and by definition commit a crime to do something that you know they're gonna do any. -- I think that that's bad bases are an argument and I want -- of course -- not legalize marijuana for the young generation I mean we didn't legalized alcohol for them but in our country they drink at the age of eleven. At any age across the country for the most part -- 21. That's a problem. And like even last night when I -- to go speak to some Franciscan kids who are on a mission trip here with at the archbishop's residence giving them talk their conversation has always. Is marijuana legal here -- you hear bits and pieces so while you is an attorney Alan I as a prevention educator for the most part. Who have -- not for profit no it's not legal here kids are very confused because they hear the bits and pieces. Of the story and not the whole story. Whether we legalize it we know didn't even countries where drugs are illegal they didn't legalize them. Far from miners they don't because -- I understand the developing brain that doesn't mean that it doesn't make their access to those drugs easier science has proven that it's not it's. That any legalize drugs access. Okay it's easier to get to them when -- -- illegal drug and I don't think the basis that they're getting in and they're doing in their break in the law. Is again recently life. David do nothing. Marijuana actually as yours is is using. Well and whether or not -- season here and I I think the question is. Do your listeners want to have an environment where. The youth and their communities can access marijuana. Eases more easily in the can access to -- -- who will be more easily. They slow -- well let's use let's take let's wouldn't be allowed to go ballistic the communities that have legalized in Colorado. In 2009. Colorado began to open up its marijuana access and then totally legalizing it. The cup a year ago from -- In those four years fourteen. Toddlers have gone -- emergency room. For accidental ingestion of foods that are laced with TC the previous four years before 20090. The reality is is that availability. Is indiscriminate it's it's a kids. The second and adults have more of it around within their homes. They're gonna increase the availability and access for the children in the home so the question is is that good from a -- public health perspective. It sounds bad. -- -- Look at for the first month I'm gonna keep saying if people are confused. About whether you know -- adult conversation at sentencing reform. Is the same as legalization and I think we have an obligation not to confuse. And I think the fact and I'm gonna say again the fact that we're having a conversation that legalization right now. Could implying that legalization is an option in Louisiana which right now it is not. The options in Louisiana legislatively have to do with whether or not we think it's appropriate to send somebody to life without parole for marijuana possession. Those are the conversations we really should be having because that's realistic in Louisiana and now with respect to the public health question. You know I don't know where those numbers came from I. On the other hand when I go into -- room and I asked people. Who knows somebody who's ever been in position now wanna I get a 100%. Everybody. Knows somebody. Who at one time or another has been in possession and now -- so you know. It's available people haven't I know people who tell stories about their dogs getting into the stands now that's not funny because it's not good for the dog but. But clearly. You know -- marijuana use right now is so prevalent. Debt making it legal can't possibly make it much more prevalent if a 100% of people when -- walk into a room say they know some money. Gone and I had people say does that include yourself -- now so I mean really everybody kind of knows what he's talking about. But but I think it's very important to emphasize so that people will not be confused. That sentencing reduction is not the same as legalization and we can have a hypothetical conversation about legalization all we want. But if we're talking about what's real from Louisiana right now that's not the conversation we. Hence lipstick break come back to about sentencing reduction. You're looking good evolution victims call to -- 018. Celebrity. Told free anywhere in the country it succeeds dated 90 point 78 this is to Columbia. Are welcome back we're think about Jefferson Parish alliance of concerned citizens. Preserving new museum of marijuana legislation. What parents should know. David Alvarez Marjorie -- COU Terence Smith what is. Dig -- let's talk about. Sentences. Were when he goes sport when it comes with and it's. Or. Well we're four for we're we are for sentencing that's. That's appropriate. Right now what's -- and what's that with within the -- in the promote justice system there are. There are many opportunities for diversion and drug courts and and and other rehabilitated. Options for individuals who are. Cause in -- and in an act of purchasing -- using. Aside and illegal substance that that individual who may not be a violent individual may not be a threat to our citizens. Should have access to. We have some kind of rehabilitate of court two where they can go -- not be criminalized and I'd be put in prison that that is very reasonable. Terry we're talking about the crew utilization. We're trying to combat decriminalization. Because that just makes sense I mean like I heard people say the war -- drugs the other day in and -- an industry wherein we don't use that terminology anymore because Sudan dual war on drugs it's kind of crazy. Bomb it didn't -- -- didn't -- didn't because it didn't war there is no war on a drug -- they have if an attic has a brain disease or user is making a decision they don't need to go to jail for those kinds of decisions that need to be educated. All are it's their problem has advanced to addiction they need to be treated. I mean we're talking about brain diseases and are talking about public health issues we don't solve. A public health problem by incarcerating a bunch of people on we have huge -- people incarcerated here in our city for -- for drugs and that doesn't need to happen. -- Well I agree with everything that they've both had said that one -- the point now that. While we do definitely need better services for people who have who have. Medical problems who have addiction issues we also need to remember. That most people who used particularly marijuana do not abuse it are not addicts anymore than you know most people who drink beer are alcoholics. And right now the law presumes that everybody who has ever been in now on that possession three times is. Presumed to have a problem. And I think we need to recognize that that is not necessarily true. -- most people use recreational drugs responsibly. Without addictions without. You know harming anyone and we need to be able to distinguish between the people who need help and get and the help that they need and those who really don't. The David Portugal. And number of years ago the crew was not only park every. And those that reduced it's you're gonna have more drug abuse you here than a horrible poor because now it's available and they don't have to appear. You. Law enforcement establishment. Totally -- they did it they've got one of the lowest rates in Europe. The police she and via the York's attorney out of the column in Portugal. Now all back because of what they say it is instead of putting all -- pleased work. On watching for pot. There people actually dual. Ought to stop the hard. Or you. Well I don't know much about the Portugal's situation. My first question would be -- due to hit my first question would be. What kind of resources are available for individuals who are. Abusers and addicts in their community. What kind of infrastructure that put in place to address those needs. It's been happening utilized criminal justice system to try to address those individuals be utilized. A network of treatment and -- that's what decriminalization. News. Tribune they ruled that because that it frees up more money foreign. The school open deal. As long as infrastructure exist but in America the infrastructure is questioned whether it exists taken into account for treatment services. Out one out of ten people who need treatment get treatment in this country one out of ten so that tells me that our infrastructures -- ready. To open up and take the influx of all these individuals who need the services that they cannot yet. -- And I do understand what's gone on and Portugal on how to write about it extensively and I do think that it came with not just the decriminalization and an awful lot of of social networks that were set in place that I think are very valid view and I needed to run out here I got. I think we can do it here I don't think we're close to doing it here. And I know that because I'm out there with the people that exist in the field and in treatment or prevention. And our city brutalized. -- required. As part. Recruits usually you wouldn't believe how is almost a bomb you would have to almost require at first and decriminalize after -- that's the problem I'm having with the discussion. A bomb on marijuana in itself is that it's become a big. Odds social project because there's so many factors we didn't study we don't know. And it's not good science to me and I like science disable everybody's doing it and so it's okay that's not true they're doing a lot of things are not okay but the problem is that we have such limited resources on the side of treatment like David just alluded to. Very limited resources on the side of like prevention. In Portugal they have social workers and counselors on the streets in the schools they are out there helping what they were doing as a police war. They're doing a social science war will that teach. That's huge. Well I agree with that. Although I will say it then I don't think the argument should be it everybody's doing it's it's OK I think the question should be. What role the government hands in determining what people continue with their own bodies and -- different. That's a different issue people do all sorts of things mean tobacco's legal alcohol is legal gambling is legal. -- things that -- are legal that we allow people to do that we may not necessarily. You know agree with but so be it but -- I I agree that -- what we need is better social services for the people who need them. Recognizing that most people who use marijuana recreational we don't need addiction counseling because they're not picked any more than everybody coz common hasn't beyond a Friday night is an alcoholic. But yes the services need to be there that needs to be part of the package in there is no reason in the world why we couldn't craft. In at a set of guidelines and a system that would accomplish that with the money that we would save from not incarcerating people we can easily. Hire a lot of social workers and -- health counselors. On and detox when necessary the money would be the and it's just a matter of crafting -- program if they could do in Portugal you know in a Smart and we aren't they did it we can do we -- to adopt their model fluent. David. What would you latrines and we'll leave the way it is -- puede thing. Well there marijuana everywhere just like it's the -- it feels like at the legal. You can get it in a blink of. What Obama changes the way that our communities. On balance out the social impacts of a marijuana use and alcohol use and tobacco -- you for example. Up I'll use. Costs billions of dollars in the United States social impact loss of wages health care etc. Yet we we don't even draw in but attempt of that in tax revenues to to address those -- for every one dollar that. Opera -- burns our social network. We only get ten cents back in taxes to address those burdens so I would like to see what what I like disease. Is our society to have the political will to have our leadership. To make the proper policies to where we have the resources to address. The social impacts of our recreational use of alcohol and we have the resources to. To address the social impacts. Of tobacco in any other drug. That's about but lives lose that break and come back the importance of revenue let's talk about what diplomacy in play. The -- figured celebrity immoral while at the reopened. And -- call that few. Comment to our complete tree debris will it. 260187. He'd sold for anywhere in the country 8668890. Pizza. Are welcome back probe were weren't thinking about to none of -- Leo making marijuana legal. Talking about euros in Paris alliance of concerned citizens. That's presenting. The engines the twins march 12 millennium. Comparisons to determine its office of marijuana legislation more parent should know. We have books David over as mark real human. Terrorists. Mark to shield you. Terry using active directorate action against addiction. David duke provision professional. And about. What's what provisions and -- Was -- licensed through the Louisiana addiction and regulatory authority and we do. -- the reason. We use. -- -- When -- look at let me read to you about smoking because. I have to please you don't report that -- -- -- -- -- -- -- well there. At Merrill news. Got some really really bad thing in -- Smoking. Reduce your -- Killed -- -- for a inhibits. Bringing routes up. Increases chances of bringing strong. Bringing free it and carry you. Cancer when it comes -- more concerned rent. Let's look at driving courses countries 132 billion dollars -- crosses all personally 500 dollars apiece. -- drunk driving. Highest among. Eighteen point 50 point 4%. And every day in America 28 people die as a result of crime rate one every 51. Now. -- -- if you god or or by the -- more in order form your party. -- Jews people being more. To reduce people for being. Affected by. Why wouldn't you also. The -- -- -- smoking and drinking illegal. Because statistically. And -- and why is it works David. I would fight for. Attacking the social norms that lead to those bills than those I would -- -- -- -- I would I would focus on something that would be successful will be what are the enormous credit reports you wouldn't think that -- could you don't think it would work. I would think what would be successful would be addressing what. Are the norms for our adults and what behaviors their modeling for the use the -- them -- the norms and our adult vote in our adult population is too. In Bible and take a lot of rockaholic social event in the youth around them are going to internalize that and they're going to. Have that is their barometer for how they celebrate and how they've behavior and social ones are ones -- I would focus my attentions on -- question I -- you answer that question. You would not make it easily I would not go after alcohol tobacco and try to make it legal or illegal I will continue to do what I do professionally which is try to address environmental factors that contribute to -- revenue. What would you do. What I do I would personally I would have a detailed strategic plan that would address. The norms and our communities that lead to use -- Hollywood -- and he's. That plan would -- number one raise awareness. Of the realities of drinking alcohol but smoking marijuana smoke pot smoking tobacco those realities. She discussed acting school programs school days of media based. There have religious base throughout the gamut all the sectors that can easily. Product. And you were making a profit pro taxes and could we legalize it or whether we call it. -- those proceeds to do exactly which -- talking about because. That's what happened with -- were we we use the revenues. Pro and the -- turned it round and 10% of the smoke now reduce will be huge percentage. Hypothetically we could vote -- history shows us that that we're not very good at collecting enough revenue to balance out this call -- Won't but still cigarettes as a social burden of 500 billion dollars across this country and we do not generate that -- revenue every year to address that number one number two the social norms around cigarettes had changed drastically when I was a kid in school. The teacher had a cigarette an -- on -- desk but the nor how she -- because that very communication program that troop exit. Great entry don't think that would work that. With what without we're talking about marijuana. I think it was definitely if we changed the norms to Wear -- marijuana use was our size and -- was taboo in place and and in a place in in the culture where it was -- down upon its use especially by its youth. Would be. Terry one one make it. All illegal. You know well and utopia for me -- -- -- actual lies world no one really need to change their consciousness that I would make it. We don't quarrel and these -- drugs that were legal and I came to the discussion. And the problems that we have with these two. Legal drugs are not as followers say that's the whole hold decriminalization. Is understandable that the legalization means we add to a problem. We already have that the funds are not me. You do not generate enough funds on alcohol or tobacco to pay for what we have to pay for -- -- -- What is -- big guy on our streets. In or not anywhere else let's talk about our city I go to bed with the statistics on the night every night. 50% of the people -- how it's due to drunk driving well it's against the and they're still do and we're just legally right below -- legalized guest. But then the problem is that we have huge problems with death and hell this is a health issue. And until some doctor in this country. Says it's okay are right and says it's healthy are alternatives or we can add another layer of problems the problems we already have. Most doctors from the cancer association. The American Heart Association to the substance abuse and -- service association -- states government. The national institute on drug Stockton -- ballclub it's brilliant. Okay all of these doctors and that top layers of our country including law because I think that you know as martyrs and we're not talking about -- Are not even to this topic of a bringing on another problem one we keep him. Are we proved what a group proposing and how we peninsula now. I'm proposing. Discussions like Marjorie has been saying this legalization is not -- discussion on the table and our state. And in the states where it is they are seeing the same problems. That we that I decided to you got on trying to. In house in drug tried and true to talking about -- -- use decriminalization. Now on it's different than legalizing people don't understand Ali it's especially if you don't understand it. So they think that if it happened in two states and our country's evenly here it's a huge. Confuse what I would say that people don't need to go to jail and they don't need to spend a long time Saturday talking about the crew that's that's a whole different story. Aren't this big break here come right back -- -- okay after reporting seven minutes I think understand we're having a conversation. About letting people know these problems -- -- not about legalism and we approached on. Decriminalization. We all seem to agree on let's. Or go back to our roundtable looks -- Richard in -- richer and governor of appreciative -- And you know I'm not very short order and howling like on a -- There -- at -- resurgence for and it just as. They -- people medical. And it it. There's so that marijuana can do like drew. -- it's not like. It's been true that you -- It'd been proving. Help our troops go there. Security bring him so we can lose let's go back to question -- so that always -- him. 60%. -- it me where I got -- figures studies to. 68% of drug cartels money. There is I don't think eight and currently you're governor of study that there's -- disagreement. That pot. Kills people people kill each other over. Because. It's the BB profits. Why wouldn't you make it legal to keep people from killing. Terry. I always almost one laugh out loud at that question and I and I can't because I love the study of human behavior and so. You know you get this picture in your hat that you have all of these people they're making billions of dollars on in pot and marijuana industry right in the cartels and stuff like that. And there all of a sudden gonna become respectable. And they're all -- sudden going to be a lot of what we're gonna happen what they've done in history has replaced it with some other drug. There they are business they're not gonna take the threat to their business and in more than one it's okay so they're going to be selling something else that's what they do with. -- -- -- And in the bullies have more revenue wartime more personnel. To go after the harder but because people no longer killing natural world pot at all. Well yeah -- in Portugal they did things that or weigh different at that it's not only just a serious drugs you can have you can have certain amount and an -- to drugs and stuff like that. So they decriminalized. A low low you don't. So -- laughing at the question. What sport news news it is you went with the people. That are doing this for killing each other into where the profit motive they stop killing your children don't. Now I think that they're in it for the bid they're in illegal drugs for a business to be there I'm going to make the dollar warranty daily -- over booze and sit where they -- but how well we did at one time and I country when you go back league history right. So here's the deal is that those people. In that industry we don't believe will change will eventually over time that problem change we -- -- -- on each other marijuana. Probably not -- used in killing each other heroin and drug cocaine. Are either drugs they're not going those people have existed Garland no matter what the drug lives it's what it's who they are much. I have I have a quote here from. Doctor -- Wilkinson from the Yale school movement and he says the legalization of certain to decrease the power of the drug lords in Mexico and other countries. And this is certainly a favorable outcome however. The tradeoff is that more people suffer from schizophrenia invest more Americans are homeless and debilitated. Than this must recognize this -- by public. So I'm I'm happy that your listeners are able to hear both sides in this. It to conclude whether and I. Legalization are opening up the availability and access to Meryl -- Too distant power drug cartels in Mexico but then what does that cost us in our communities. -- -- But you said it's already here it's or reveal moments. Alcohol people other people got -- people got -- -- ban alcohol. Then regularly legal big quote accurately gauge what what -- -- missed. Under a big part review for a moment and if I may know I'm only I'm only had not stopped killing future. No I'm only frowning on the 'cause 90% of all violent crime in our country has a linked to alcohol so you said they stop killing each other but. To the people who lose -- -- our highways that figure exist in. You you can do look at Australian studies listening to talk about our own country if you increase they studied the increase for services and calls. Okay in if they opened a restaurant and had a bar increased calls for services to a night and we know that in this city I did it Garland that that's the theory. And I thought I wonder if that theory is true in our cities are how to take every alcohol license there was. Put it on a map and lay on top of those alcohol license all violent crime in our city. Is a perfect reflection of each other so gonna talk about the popular idea I did a model the outlining -- against the wall and shoot people we don't do that anymore except for and other industries and stuff like that but that's what I'm saying. The problems not gonna go away they'll find a new drug. I Margaret I think we also need to recognize that. Not only. Have we -- destabilize the entire country being Mexico with the American demand for a drug that we will not let people have legitimately. But we also need to realize that a lot of street crime in this city and around this country is because there people engaged in the business. Who cannot resolve business disputes in the way other businesses can't. You know a -- in the drug business and somebody you know short changes -- doesn't pay your bill -- bad quality whatever it is. You can't do it other business people do final loss. You know so what he did you have to resort to violence. On if we allowed these business people operate as legitimate businesses. Legally with access to the same kind of dispute resolution mechanisms as other businesses did. It would be less violent crime now again that's a legalization argument which is in Louisiana right now purely hypothetical. But let. But it's something that that people need to think about you know people are tired are engaging in violence because they don't have any access to any other way to resolve disputes. Terror -- -- Potomac you Google that work I just what I just think that there have been studies are -- Doug caught one caller we took -- said there have been studies. We know the pros and cons of social studies of putting another drop. On the streets. One we can't handle the two legal ones we have right now for our youth and the addiction right it's the number one cause people -- in treatment centers around our country right now. Is marijuana so to say it's not addictive is hugely problematic the cause duck. The medical and just the medical side of this debate says it is -- And that people do become addicted to it at one and six and I think we add to the problems that we have. All right and then it for good so we're coming right back double to appeal obligated celebrity AM 053 at. 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