Well the name neighboring new build when you -- -- -- Michael eats nuts because it's. It is secretary independent from 2000 -- to -- a little so. Director of the CI OK so it's a predators depends on. Article Obama. His presidential medal of freedom -- and -- called in the me and was most widely considered the boats -- and secretaries and -- World War -- Europe. And you've worked under eight presidents of both political parties and book called -- no more of the secretary at war. -- rubble welcomed the -- appreciated. It. -- -- we're able to get about fifteen minutes so as you of course about the book -- a treat captured. As votes from corporate and thoughts wanted things call. In the in the book when it came to Latimer who. I think you -- you looked. At him and to -- it's insult stone cold killer. Tell me about. I think that there has. It was very hard and he's and as a KGB colonel I'd hate keeping a little bit about the fact that. Well I would deputy director of CIA says colonel KGB in southern Germany. Use and old Soviet and he called out past glory past history past. Empire power band. I I think -- very tough minded and he is determined to. Re create. Not Soviet Union that. -- block those states then what used to be the Soviet Union. That looked to Russia for economic security and political. Leadership. And guidance he he wants to keep these states like Ukraine. Away from the way. And have been gravitate toward Moscow. And own view is that. He may he may. Make tactical concessions but that -- strategy is pursuing it relentlessly. And -- read correctly -- long line you were quoted as saying Colombia is called -- Putin is gonna puts the pro Russian government all the -- -- -- of -- Then a breed of former Vice President -- needs it says what we ought to do in the Ukraine. -- reinstate the missile defense program that was really Julie gonna go to Poland. Well you talked about Ukraine why isn't so important number one and what do you think we should do. By Ukraine although it has huge economic problems. As well as Sudbury has very rich soil and has long been. That -- that it at first the Russian empire and then of the Soviet Union and it's also very large country it's a country -- -- actually as its historical -- the Russian empire woods. Really pounded in the in Kia. Thousand years ago. So it as well. And end. Historical consequences of war. For the elections Stan and that's one of the reasons it's so important to them. Let let's go back to the book I think you weren't referred to a congress that -- truly ugly parochial self intrusive. Rude in bullying. And did I think your major rather angry that on one hand they would criticize viewing the Defense Department. In public and then later on in -- say. Please don't cover or or closed the opponents activities. In my state senate. Well not exactly right. People who accused the defense department of being wasteful any sentient. Would like to adapt to prevent the closure of any military facility. Quarter ending military contract in their district or state. No matter how wasteful or super. Super it. As to. The military means there are very parochial and would rather see the overall Defense Department and our military capabilities weakened. Ban. Then see some of these facilities close so that money could go real military capability. And again because my quote notes were all over the pleaser I think I remember reading. Bed that uses the Pentagon and congress can get together and they and they they continue to waste and duplication. And and people like -- that won't perform. Or virtually defeated both for you can get there are remember that correct. Well I've I've stated. The traditional bureaucracy in them and the military services. There. Interest and sustaining programs they already have. Do reinforce each other and but what but I think one of the main points of the book is that. I was very successfully overcoming that. In 2009. We are successful and cutting. Some three dozen major military procurement programs that they've been built the completion of the cost taxpayers. About 330 billion dollars at the congress to acquiesce in order even support. Every one of those over period in the years ago and we got you over a fire by about a 180 billion dollars. In 2010. Looking ahead ten years so. So you can't in this but it takes -- very. Will Apple's secretary it takes a strong threat. The presidential -- and it takes. With some pretty clever maneuvering on Capitol Hill. The items within them use a lot Syria. But the problem there it's giving drawing the Revlon and in this none out while going through. Ukraine President Obama has been accused. Not having a strong foreign policy. In today and Scientific American they're talking about. Japan. And the United States. Are debating. Whether or not China in these -- military threats. Or really strong threat and whether or not the United States can be trusted. To back them up with some concurred in those controversies through areas. And I think you were quoted as saying. Toned down -- Obama criticism. Well what are your thoughts Syria and you Korean and Japanese on its. Well what. And people -- -- tone -- criticism really strictly in reference to the Ukraine in the presidents in the middle of the crisis -- dealer European allies trying to deal gluten. And our tradition in this country until some years ago was that. Now when we got in the situation like this the politics should stop at the -- and and so America could speak with one voice there's only the opportunity come back criticized president I think the the criticisms Syrians -- are not out of place it really was in reference -- the current. -- -- crisis in Ukraine the same people least temporarily on the down. And -- trying to deal with this crisis people who come back criticizes to a fairly well. Once the worst this past that. I think we -- -- remember that that we are doing this as Americans and not as Republicans or Democrats. Did President Obama really tell you. The one breezy room for president because he was so Borden says and here. The they're importing would suit you developed -- DH Ross of Obama's that one. Well I think that I mean I like them and I work well with them that I got really was there micromanagement. And particularly. But I regarded as that are unprecedented. Efforts to interfere and micro manage military operations. I added it was -- president made decisions in the chain of command I think that the decision from him and and it's my job to execute it. And and I don't means of middle level help from the yeah. From the White House and from people who never served in uniform and -- having experience with the military matters at all. -- has been that I don't need people over there and so. General like Stan McChrystal who's probably -- counter terror strategist we've ever had. How to conduct counterterrorism and so -- -- -- kind of thing that frustrated me. And making them to inpatient. What are your thoughts on the ball we should be doing in Syria if indeed -- Well I think in some ways our opportunities to have real impact there has passed. If we get. Spoke over clean -- -- More aggressively at the very beginning of this civil war there was -- moment when a -- was in real trouble. And when opposition. Really have the initiative and thank. Providing lethal weaponry and providing additional help that both ourselves and allies and friends. We might tip the balance there that now. I think that. This situation news is beyond our help in many respects because. Let's stop now strengthened considerably we went in the period a couple weeks last fall. Thanks to the machinations of Vladimir Putin and aside from saying it's not let's go to a solid state. Accepted the chemical weapons deal with that could put forward. In the implicit in that was that it's not at the stick around and ordered them. Implement that agreement. And and so I think it we strengthen. -- inadvertently. Or intentionally. Strengthened as the. Position and and so I think it's that the very very tough situation and I don't think there. US military involved at this point that would be wise at all. What little book reviews that. You could barely disclosure contempt for all the washing institutions. Not believes the department that you added. And it quoted as saying needlessly. Needlessly expensive weapons systems. The part investments ten billion dollars you're on information technology. Federal unable to communicate with the each other and I wondered lately we have that brand new. Aircraft carrier I think that -- going to Asia. We have we've got some very expensive jokes. Under way. And everything we do we seem to be breathing by on the technological. Side. Involved hacking cyber warfare and drones. All week going in the right direction with -- our defense plan. So I think that we have to make significant investments. And cyber. For example the area where. A number of countries are developing capabilities. Includes student serious damage the US. Critical infrastructure. I think equally dangerous solar. Non governmental organizations from terrorists to organized crime. That at the ability to packed in the systems so either create. And the court steal a lot of money so I think that the best work making. I think that one of these issues people have to understand is that going avenue technology. Particularly on aircraft. There's there's a long history. Over cost overrun them the way. True the F sixteen through the F 22 it was true. Even NC seventeen. They cargo aircraft which is probably the finest aircraft its kind in the world today it's absolutely the backbone of our military respects. But it analyze problems -- the beginning. And when -- get into these new technologies and here they're cutting edge technology. Beard you're gonna run in the challenges that are scientists. Now we can manage these things a lot better and particularly when we're not at war. And so others about the same sense of urgency we should do more in the way prototyping and hours building test aircraft. And getting the kinks out of these systems looked poor we. Again. Regular line production I think we also need to negotiator contracts more carefully sharper pencil. Bring the cost them -- taxpayers. But frankly we just need better execution. By both government and industry managers so these are not. Mysteries in terms of what needs to be -- problem has been an execution management leadership. Bear with me strange question. A -- a couple of -- go FaceBook. Has bought a company that makes drones in the gonna put 111000. Album opens increase in nets. India and in South Africa and over -- terrorist. And once you're in the care they they run -- -- take cells that carry a load. 550. Pounds and they can stay in the air for five years. Help me when he comes through something like an aircraft carrier in drones. Seems like 'cause the slow mood moving your -- Perry even with the air dependence. Would be susceptible. To a swarm of drones. It were a worm are wrong. Well personal. I haven't heard anything like that in terms of fleet of -- like -- operating and particularly capabilities. But the finger amber about froze is that their lows slow. And they're in the lately. And and that's what it really your only used over -- -- -- stations -- in countries that have no -- that it's. Because they're really -- shoot them. Because they're so slow. And and because they fly so low so I think that I think people's. Concerns about drones. In in terms. The kind of thing -- talking about in terms of military forces. Are open -- I think I think that that and -- nine. As a citizen has. Proliferation of various small rounds that are being commercially developed. That. And that. It you know. But -- substantial being flown here at home. Getting in the way that are out of aircraft and and that privacy issues and things like that that could be smaller less capable rounds. That would be developed by private companies they are there are more of a concern partly because -- been so tough to regulate. One final court shouldn't read where you swept almost every night when you signed letters of condolences. You meditated -- dead and wounded -- are we doing right by our veterans now. Well I think the way that is we try. And I think that there's an area where where government as a rule that. Private citizens and businesses that -- able to I think one of the big. Concerns are better is is the difficulty in finding good job. -- careers when they leave the military equipment they've been wound up. Hand and a number of businesses are stepping up at the plate and committing -- that -- I think a lot more need to do that. There are a lot of organizations. Sent out there you. And -- created to help wounded warriors and her family. Some really really some of them may not so that. People checking in with with the Pentagon. Getting recommendations on the groups that are. That are really were supporting it is important but that I think she is jobs these young men and women. And they -- enormous leadership skills and commitment spears teamwork and. And they're easily trained an extraordinary discipline and they just bring a lot of the work place. By the we -- higher here. The book is called duty and his by Robert in gate submit walls of the secretary of war. And over assume people could get there did Amazon.com. In the other places. Now I think. Got so Barnes & Noble -- variety places them. Broward appreciate your time during -- -- -- It that -- today. All right coming right -- a bit of DL bigger celebrity AM 053 year after.