Mar 13, 2014|
Garland talks with Lee Rainie of the Pew Research Center about how prevalent the internet could eventually become in our lives.
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You have got a big candidate even though I've been the older generation. I like this -- new generation. In fascinated by technology not a parade -- Every little bit we on -- June -- makes me more more curious about where this is going. I have they. -- topside to businesses reverend world. All of you about a year ago in New Britain book and basically bought the book planes use. That because of -- -- -- actual role in technology based on something called worst law. Yet for the central grove is speeding up so much of your putter on the -- who -- Republican of sound on. Hockey stick. Or for a long time week. Have the beginning of the Internet in the country drugged up and all of a sudden it just takes off about to explode into world. And he predicted by 20/20 four. We have a computer that would make a computer that was fractionally better than be regional computer. And from there that would double and then foreign and he didn't succeed and it was it was fascinating and done. Oh victory maybe fifty shows over the last couple years on that type of technology. Backed off lately because. Most of -- heard before in most of it. Come from sources funeral with their very reliable. Well one of the organizations have a lot of respect for and do a lot of shows on base from what they learn. -- -- pure search. Pugh institute. And they have a pew research Internet project. And elected -- since it looks in person but I don't know and then it's law. They the interviewed talked to 2550. Experts I -- experts in my view and on and and technology builders. About wearable always stand by the year 20/20. Five. And what was interesting very -- -- striking. Patterns. In their predictions. Lucky enough to have won the authors with the sleeve -- director pew research center's Internet and American life project -- Thank you so much for joining. -- -- And one would before. I got to all of the incredible experts in -- I've solved this in in the pro it is and it's said the Internet in the future of world flowed through our lives like electricity. Tell people which may. Well. When he got responses to our questions from all of these experts in -- -- about the next ten years I was gonna happen. There was a pervasive sense. That. Is that the Internet would be console. In -- -- in the environment. So commonplace in people's lives. We -- -- rooms with the Internet in the ball we'd driving -- to the Internet in the engines and other centers in the Cox. We deploy air parts of the Internet and there are classes and our watches and other kinds of jewelry. It it would become as ubiquitous. And as powerful as electricity. Even it it faded more into the. And our -- comedic about electricity now when you walk into a room when you -- you're broadcasting you don't think. Very consciously while I'm using electricity now the only time you think about electricity when it's not available PO. And the AD expert announcing the Internet will soon get to a place where is that essential to life but is that unnoticed in life. One here researchers MIT computer science artificial intelligence laboratory. -- quote -- more humans will be and world which decisions are made by an active set of cooperating device and just tortured explained. Wouldn't border first read that I thought. I've done a number of shows were certain their original theories in the United States in particular. Don't have been whenever they -- cars slow Internet because of bandwidth availability. Will we have the ban -- through to make this. Internet like electricity today. -- -- -- And blood of the things that is gonna along with more blocked by you described it out. -- substantial advances in computing power and substantial reductions in cost of computing power you know the laptop you can by the day. But what happened at NASA used twenty years ago. And it caught Eli had a lot less than it did the government about that -- computer. Well the same thing is happening with band particularly in in -- wired and -- not too much in the wireless -- we are getting ever more are. Capacity to it and stopped to each other along these cyber network and tell. There are a lot of progress yet to be -- and match. But one of the most interesting things that these experts also said per basically it stayed at the Internet. Spreads as rapidly as it does -- into so many other realms of life there will be people will be left behind in some respects might be. Even more apart. From the heavy heavy users than they currently -- to digital divide the -- is that people use that. Might actually get worse if people don't necessarily live in areas where -- Is where the where connected devices are literally in the ground are literally in the rooms that they locking in on the -- that they drive behind. There'll also be wasted people had to be a little bit more. Adaptive at using technology they'll they'll have to know who to -- -- have to know which devices work for them now have to. Have a instead of literacy. Around using technology if they don't count them. They will be a behind the people who are quite effective in using technology and understanding what it means that and so there's there's so worried that goes along with this. Sort of exciting prospect that the Internet can have become ever more embedded in our lives. -- limit ticket purchase program come back a moment talk kind of Bob what -- shows got -- saying. But do you deal with the spread review and had to do is gonna made cuts in many ways less ignorant it's getting to a details about common right back governor bill. Big age 78 at 1053. Of them. Where things get above what to me is an extremely. Interesting -- search project by pew research. Internet. The Internet project. And view -- we've seen you know a lot of predictions and futurists talking about. The digital future in an approach won't. Provide -- very seldom will never. Have a history in the Indian attitude that went through the trouble. Of interbrew and dumped 2550. Experts technology -- huge name. And some of the ideas that come up where it you can say well I think our revenues in other ones that or. -- -- -- One problem it is is something I think we all think we know and that is to spread of the Internet. We -- develop lists ignorance it'll make us smarter and I think most of which it will of course you get on the Internet you can find out anything. Well we have the over one of the authors with the sleeve ring and he -- -- when when I look at the reasons why. We've become less ignorant it's it's a little bit more than well the Internet we go find out anything. A couple of things going on first of all -- everybody. Themselves can be Iran broadcaster publisher in social media center to -- you're telling your story. Commenting on danger maybe even talking bad news it's happened right for your -- When -- -- lot more newsmakers -- is creators than there ever have been before. Share of that knowledge is bringing many more voices anymore perspective is a lot more sort of firsthand observations into that. Into the world. And most -- scholars say that a pretty good thing even -- he got a lot of junk in that process -- get people are spinning things are telling lies there. You know basically using these tools to -- is the real problems rather than solve problems. Overall if you look at you know the societal like Q maybe you could measure it that way. These these experts are pretty convinced that more information basically gave you more intelligence and we eat it -- did -- thing to get back check thing he could to bring. Your perspective to it that they think. Overall the LP a lot more wisdom in the world eating as more knuckle -- sort of surface. -- I'd I'd mention it showed we have -- Robert Gates on. And it wouldn't have when the whole discussion but it was equivocal thought. I don't know if you -- FaceBook. Is intending to words already bought -- drone company. -- contingents are putting up 111000. Drones. That can carry 550. Pound payload payload. There have portable deterrent films on the brains. They send them -- once they crews at 65000. Feet. They say -- for five years. And their intent is to bring the Internet. To everybody. In the world and one of the people you interview today Brad Hughes. Internet pioneer reported quote. All seven billion people on the planet books related to be connected to each other -- -- destinations. By of these -- that not the Internet. And this will lead to diminished or over people's lives within it within the nation states. Does that mean were -- -- virtual. Dissolving the relationship. Now it's going to be -- really interesting. But detentions that are discussed in every country in the world are actually now being discussed in certain -- or not just a future prospects. To the big question is -- free information and how freely visit spread in the -- our technology questions. Related to that their policy questions related to that. Had lots of company countries basically that that the Internet is at relatively useful thing in grand name obviously their populations are registered and it. But -- bottom line demeanor already existing information and communication policies that they want to implement. They are a lot to countries that look at some of the Japanese and say that's not -- and that's not for -- and it's and I realized as a culture we've already declared that that. Not what we want a deal -- not what we want to see -- -- that's kind of inspiration we think is it useful source citizens. And at the same time there's this sort of widespread. -- has technology adoption that they could -- and others are talking about. They'll be lots of tensions in deciding where he may be the Internet balkanized maybe lots of people have it. But there is a -- it's different. In Zimbabwe from Austria as for which yet again different from Canada in the United States and so. The year -- a lot of concern among these is the technology builders. That there will be restrictions placed in the middle of the Internet and aunts and tell -- and argue about this for a couple of generations I think. -- and YouTube did that better argument -- -- predicting interest in. Consider then we've we've got Harvard's they've got the war silk road is still around. There's a number. Blah anonymous groups that -- constantly communicate. Won't there'll always be an Internet phone me to get around government stood to get around grew. He had to do a great and it's sort of metaphor -- describing it like an arms race you know they're all these people were gonna use the technology forever purposes they want. And they're gonna they're going to be a backlash and so you know every -- -- -- NA NA Serb officer or -- law enforcement response to it and it and it escalates since. It's not entirely clear and that process -- to -- it probably doesn't because technology keeps changing in the information keeps changing -- And things like that but this is the exact kind of tension. That society director -- how much freedom do you allow. It's sort of all the benefit to get product people feeling more convenient and comfortable yet. All the innovations in that make -- sort of more pleasant and more enjoyable. The same time enable people to. Do awful things to each other in new way -- what does that really interesting strained to the argument that we need experts made like Q would major in. Necessarily changing you know he's still got cave man's mind in case. You know this susceptibility they were bred into it -- you know and all sorts of ways for a long time. And all the that -- give us new ways to be miserable with each other and and so there's that strain of thought that goes right along with the utopian -- -- So some of these these interviews. Sounds like me particularly bad things we're going happened we -- should make sure it doesn't happen. But sixty minutes MPs feel that they jokes on the data. Coverage of of things in little apps in the angry bird we go look at Andrew bird. Billions of people. And we don't know that they're fifty a 100000. Companies striking has. Our cell phone what there's there all on or off were being tracked -- over the opponent. Is there any way of out of the Internet to do it appeared to bring some. Things -- we're just celebrating important and very dangerous. It's hard now. One of the most interesting. Facts about its importance as it becomes something that everybody uses. Put their essential communications and there are actual commercial activity in that the basics stuff to get into the day. It becomes less viable should be off the -- and countless companies check that because they don't -- be tracked in profile in. Marketed to every second of the day. And into again -- in another tension that is very pervasive in the answers of these experts is that work tactics come up with the new policies. To think about privacy outweighs -- of privacy it's it's at least some giving people some control over how. Their data is gathered between you know there's not much way to bow out of the data gathering process you know every time you -- on the street -- film by. Security cameras are you an idea seniors -- on our. You know connecting to the local cell towers and things. So until -- adapted. Is that the reality of life it -- make question to console like the rules about how the people were collecting that data can say how how can make share it happened today. Built to prop up the view that things like that it's on my guess is a lot of energy in the policy world. Washington. You're a lot -- going to be devoted to what happens after the data collected rather than what happens -- with the data is collected in the first place at all. Introducing drug I think it's all a little bit of the future of the with -- all the coverage on the buildings that exploded in Harlem. Good news cameras of one point pointed to the and there was a tie in the little or propel were wrong and you can. By at the local malls and was value taping seeing nobody really sure who belong to him were talking with Lee -- One of the authors of a fascinating article notes -- Pew research in this project about the digital future. And he's agreed because I've been against green and pride in -- you know the ten minutes saved with the incumbent right back this comes. Well -- -- six hours reviews and you better get so we have complimented for talking with. Liberated director of pew research center's Internet and American life project that he interviewed. Discuss in detail. What. And you. And that's who looked like can do to with 2550. Expert. And technology builders. Lenient treatment and find it cool that the outlook or bear wouldn't market. Here's the quote from the report. The biggest impact around the world will be you know pro actual action shall all human knowledge -- smartest person in the world currently. Could be so bond replies oh in India or China and they believe that person in the million liked amber her. We'll have a profound impact on the development of the human race never thought of that that's pretty hopeful. Well -- guys that is the chief economist at Google says he hopes that the truth to that because that Google's business model basically. And the narrative really interest being means it ran through some of these cancers -- about what's happening to education. We've done six cities survey now over the years and for years these experts. Just we're wringing their hands about why education like in changing when all these other institutions work. Media companies. Record companies that movie business. -- there's so much disruption in so many other parts of society -- -- education changing. Up based on at this. Medium that was so oriented toward sharing of knowledge. Well these experts -- Crossed over their personal threshold that they added the that the big changes -- in store for education has taken awhile. But they are making statements like that that did get knowledge wanna spread more rapidly around the world specific new kind of institutions are going to be built -- -- That's you know a lot of these technology leaders didn't even finish college they'd -- got out because -- that I don't necessarily need that diploma to make a lot of money and be Smart about these things up. That they'll be making new credentialing system where. You know you can go to your local library could go for to a for profit community kind of company in your community in and look I. I've mastered this skill. And I want a ticket -- analogy this stamp that and with your approval to -- I've mastered it if I passed the test and -- -- -- have maybe. I'll hold new infrastructure of education. Based on you know to spread technology. A do shows on regular -- of with a number of privacy experts. Have one on a couple of days ago and -- predicted that. Capitalism always use builds the demand. With the supply. And he's -- with the more we hear about David dumping the more we hear about being tracked the more we hear about in its infancy you know payment. They're going to be those that develop businesses. That take -- off all this tracking. Do you see that about a balkanization. Of the Internet. Well he and they're definitely businesses that are that are emerging to meet this market demand people don't like. The level of tracking did taking place and really aware at how expensive it is that -- -- miniature that you talked about. -- -- eye opening a lot of people because they had no idea that in every movement they were making which some now. Lot in the database somewhere in that database is -- in another database -- you -- Really robust picture of that of that -- individual. And so there are folks who are bothered by it and we'll take some money to maybe cover the tracks -- to the. And not miss -- little bit more often in many in they would otherwise -- But actually one of the adjusting to lie to these experts talked about it this survey was that maybe the upscale people who can afford it could. Hide their tracks -- could be a little bit more private burlesque observed are certainly a little less more under surveillance. Then other folks and it might open up -- news -- cultural. Clash between those two could purchase privacy and those -- couldn't afford to purchase privacy. -- you've got to America's proposed -- Annenberg School in Pennsylvania. Basically saying dangerous -- we may have been held robots may expand resulting in resentment. And possible votes. We'll hit the argument he added it was it definitely picked up by other folks. And it would basically. Partly that people were going to be bad in Thailand and you -- gonna see sort of gaps between them like they were living in and maybe not at. -- -- -- -- Higher like that date and the. But everybody got it will you've got the capacity on FaceBook and Twitter and on blogs and other places -- -- you're that. And so won that -- it is researchers has seen in places like the Arab Spring or uprisings in other countries is. A precursor to all of that people lining up at their neighbors are also -- -- that they are. And is that wide demonstrations that happened -- that I'm not going to be the initial up in the square. We're gonna shaker hit that the regime. And Oscar can't be the guy you're referring to was saying this is gonna happen in lots of places people. Observed that the differences between them and others. Blue -- -- we looked he would where a partner at school when we look at them. Deprive cities. It. Is news just gonna keep getting well delivered recruits. Moore's law is the doubling. Compute power every twelve to eighteen months and and again and of them number of scientists well known and respected. Say that one of the risk we Roland it is. Developing computers. That don't necessarily take the world longshot. But they've become so sophisticated. That we really don't know what they're doing -- anybody that god that for a. Yet there at that says a strained it kaptur actually we've asked about that phenomenon in. Some of our previous work as well that this has been something we've been hearing about for five or six years. And they're -- pretty robust debate in the technology community about the likelihood of that happening. Obviously systems are getting more complex and and complex systems sometimes. Had problems and and they have bugs -- May have things that are. Partly -- -- -- ever ever a couple of years ago we had the flash crash Wall Street where computers literally took over for a couple of minutes wasn't very long. But the market dropped hundreds of points just because double automatic trading program that triggered by certain events that cascaded through the system that's what they're worried about. And yet we know we we that was repaired within an hour we -- yet that's exactly right Intel. Some people think that this might spin out of control other people are more confident that certainly essential human cleverness and potential human control. All the machines they way they they still have to listen to lesson here from about what what to do otherwise I don't know what to do themselves. That we will still be in charge of our our our computers but one big guys in in this report. He responded earlier to a question like -- Policy that will remain present at the institute future he said well we'll all have to hope at least they'll treat -- kindly like patents. Once the machine take over. Well overall opinion on whether -- male female. Include the from humans and their current organizations. Me and I'll respond quickly enough to challenges presented by complex network that's got like what we're talking about. Exactly -- me you know if privacy is a perfect example of that the technology enables. Much more surveillance. Much more. A collection in an assemblage. Data and we got the current laws that would probably they were in many cases written. It to start the consumer movement in 1970s to some of our privacy laws. Are a couple of decades old. They they're just not. Equipped to handle the read these realities that the technology is doing and that's. Exactly what you know we've gone through this before their technologies progress in -- much more rapid -- Then. The laws that are meant to regulate their technologies -- we don't even make laws until we start seeing problems by that point technology it. Often pretty advanced and stops that to people remember that history and are talking about it after sank. What we don't have the -- structured illegal structures all the way in place now -- its gonna take a long while for plotting. You know legislative and legal systems to take account of these really new reality. One final question to mount my concern is and always PX but it was -- of do you quoted over and so on and we backed the and he said it's become appallingly clear. That I technologists from outside our humanity. Well if you look at the upside down hot cues that. On some was round when it's over plot but without a doubt were in that curve. The -- almost read up at this point. Wimp when you look at 2481632. And on and on and on. The last thing you two in the report is. The best way to predict the future is to -- Bennett. Jim we keep up with -- -- Yeah there's some hope for that the I don't want it. -- -- -- the second circuit that they're real wanted to really Smart people have that concern but. Little walked down memory lane might help. Think about. When books became something that every gay people could. Procure it would Gutenberg invented Movable Type and exploded. The amount of information can be disseminated to populations he uses his speech. You know books in monasteries to runner parchment and that's how you know books were made and it took a long time to make one. Ought to certainly can be mechanized it just exploded things you've got people reading idol and her own mind which rather than Latin. Which is huge advance in in this spin the spread of literacy in the and that theology. But it took a couple of hundred years disfigured to competent Russell. Sequences of that explode that knowledge but that eventually. We got the scientific revolution. We got the enlightenment at a back. And we got the reformation back to there are and we got patients stayed at that huge changes. In many respects for the better Indian society in the organization so maybe we can hope that it's gonna take a while but will get to really. 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This company because it has drones. And today based group wants the blanket the world. The part of the world without the Internet. What they're gonna do and they're gonna bill and -- eleven. Holes on hand early -- -- drones. Most likely something called solar almost sixty mile -- In this world can carry up to 250. Pound. And uses batteries charged from solar panels. All wearing suits. And the UAB can maintain an altitude of 65000. Feet and get this. Remain in the year or five years. For five years and 111000. Of them about needing to land or -- -- -- -- extending the Internet will bring more people. Around the world into an increased more than -- 140 million new jobs I had. Robert Gates on the Q&A former. Secretary dependents and I mentioned this he said ever heard of that but I doubt it rules and found five report from where this wall charger so early reputable organs making news reports. And Angel is back. 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