Accurate serve connect joins us right now friend. You know professor science you know my alma mater talk about the election results and doctor and I began by asking you a question. Do you know who I am. I think well here in the minority and -- I think a lot people heard that commercial lenders wondered when you get right down to it -- head. Charles -- on the com. Woody column -- and commercials in some nice things about Marlon -- menu and -- -- -- -- hedge. No Cynthia Willard -- and I'm confused I get nervous -- had not yet. -- morale. The Nadine Ramsey now who's your opponent -- and -- Was it Jason Williams who won our values and a commercial over and over and over again when you get right down to it was -- it was about. Palm city wanting to take a new direction was about low voter turnout was about the commercials or any of that. Well it was low voter turnout but the people who did turn out voters for change and so. We got in the primary would electorate that was that on the status quo wanted to keep things the way they were but the electorate for the runoff wanna change. And I guess it was different in the -- seats in terms of change but. It would be hard to define change when McCain the sheriff's -- wouldn't. It would be you know you're Detroit to the current share further or the you know his predecessor. And so people decided to go with the person I think you know. Com when it comes to lead the vote for the aquarium. Did the Ottoman Milledge whatever it was I dead that surprised me that it was defeated so soundly. Well I was really wouldn't surprise because I think a lot of people felt that. The proponents of the military disrupted by the voters. That'd be kind of a stealth campaign and was on the ballot though -- was and then had little have been discussed. But the opposition was able to crystallize. It's opposition that in the latter part latter stages of the campaign and and that's what really woke people up to the issue. In terms. The mayor and moving forward you as a a big supporter of Jackie Clarkson I don't think he got involved in the Cynthia -- -- did what. He did -- -- So is this a defeat for him due to the new council members. Area not a grudge but remember that when it comes time to support the mayor's agenda. Well not the certainly you know. Your enemy today is your friend tomorrow on politics you know there are no permanent friends are enemies. And so. I think everyone's done on the same page in terms of going into the city forward that maybe differences in how to get there. But with -- remember that both the mayor and the City Council have to work together to get anything done so. You know the City Council wants to be obstructionists they can be but then of course. Nothing can get done. My daughter had an IBM and a sleepover with some friends and and we're looking at the election returns and I just. You know it in in a very did did he simple way tried to explain though the whole process in terms of who votes for what -- -- turn -- in this election. Well Election Day turnout was about 20%. When we include the early voters it was about 24%. Point 4% a quarter of the people had voted -- of that quarter. I guess in in a lot of the rim will determine what the numbers were in the in terms of -- Jason Davis. -- lawyer Jason Williams and I'm sorry about this doctor Jayson Williams Jan and nom. Assists. In the hedge row yeah right right well he basically -- by 21 margin. And even in our own district district DT he computer by 21 mark and what about me needing Ramsey and Jackie Clarkson oh when you look at break it down they they put the -- but. -- -- -- -- -- -- They disappoint and trying to make in my own clumsy way is I think when 2.5 percent of the electorate turns out it's kind of hard to claim mom. The mandate isn't it. Well I mean it's it's up to the the campaigns and candidates to get their voters to the polls and the they're not energize. Energize their base and getting in the polls then you know what can say. That's our cable instead voted -- waiting game turn down president. The way it turned out there's really nothing you can do an Indy you know so yeah -- -- low turnout but. Eating future people -- the -- and you know that's just the -- In terms of the corner election that surprised me in you with how close it was it was very close. It seemed like doctor cannot -- Fairly early in the contest he did very well in the primary up 40% of the vote but then basically just disappeared from the campaign didn't really hear much from him. We're shipping -- was out there. You know pounding the pavement sending the forms making speeches. Making appeals for money. And so that's what put them over the top. The thing that the I wanted to ask you about that the corner raise money comes a doctor McKenna who had some trouble in the past. It does name recognition sometime trump whatever trouble you may have been in. And certainly in the beaten them since she's been certainly name recognition is important. Because people don't -- don't remember. Who the candidates are but they recognized their name on the one thing and in critical place. So I guess I'm saying you can be infamous and still get. Benefited from name recognition. Yes you can you know that's I mean that's the name of the game you know and look -- things so I think that. The reason making Ramsey was successful with that she started very early in billing per name recognition and in districts see you know because. -- challenges -- the very short timeframe. To take on the incumbents and so he started burial. So even and this is not a reflection on -- -- the generally speaking needing didn't trouble that's what you make out before the voters and if they don't exactly know why they just know they know the name they can actually help. Well it can't let whoever he's he's just opposite is -- point out the fact that he had the legal troubles and a appreciate you time doctor really do thank you very much.