Always served the biggest problem we have with the our wetlands -- our goal is we can't see. You know there there are no big hill drowned there are no mountains we can't. Look down to see you on which we depend for sustenance are -- and protection. From the wetlands from the gulf from everything that surrounds as a kid -- seat and let's forget about the boat and so -- first and then. God just got through doing enough power. Where we find out there are illegal fishermen that are expecting or million hadn't. Fish population would choose small fish at the bottom of the food chain but out of blogs species. Can't survive a lot of bar products that we pearl island. We can it's a big thing. And on top of that we've got illegal punishment coming in from Mexico and of the conference. We're gonna drug dealers that are using those fishing boats to deliver drugs sex trafficking and we got. Child laborers involved. In in those that are doing the illegal fishing and so forth and so on. Story it's there there's a lot of problems out there. One of the things. That we have ahead for awhile. A lot of people look at it and say good news where. Were were make him big strides in trying -- problem with the launch of Portland schools for protection. Restoration of authority. It's come up with the minister planned it virtually everybody you talked to has a lot of -- in and but. Initially at least for me and upper sort hearing about it. Those that the believed in the master plan and talked primarily. About river diversions. Basically -- so nobody's to. Bring in the water and soap in the room with the way mother nature used to do it. And England flood wetlands and rebuild it and then prone. A pretty large group of fisherman whose short hearing though the best the best would be pipelines. And everything understated and up to this point is the master plan calls for bold. But fisherman are still concerned that the diversion projects -- -- create a problem. And that's the way that problems and stood it well. Believes -- breed. Economists. Louisiana State University commitment Mississippi's state. I'm gonna study dead disputes. The state -- that. Sediment diversion projects. Or more cost effective. Then I reports. It and apparently they think pipeline and better. When building new land. And some in the pipeline projects. More cost effective because they build and -- And the one thing of learned also doing the show for a number -- Whatever your read your own talks who's watching television. See here -- over. And he got a ticket with a grain of salt because a lot of times things are done for -- to a lot of time. Things are done just to. Keep the doors open which means called retention to something that may -- little skewed maybe a loosely and that you ought to do. As I go to be experts have veteran standard and thank -- ago when there's -- power. -- did it -- -- and fellow director of the institute water resources toward policy. To a university mark welcome back cure or appreciated dot. And what do you make those who is this something big because I've talked to build -- -- -- and the master plan. Has always called for river versions hand. -- ports. And that's true and I think they're still going to -- -- -- the -- -- well. And report that just came out you just talked about. That's just -- they're going to be you know times where you. War particularly near term and building when it may be more efficient to go one tool over another. And that much a part. I think when you get the point we're actually getting ready. What project not just talk about it and start Angela -- what are -- number. And effectively and he -- So. You know on the way I read those studies is that. At least -- building -- number one objective. Keep in mind not the only. Either -- to -- also. You know. Water in the right that is the right orange. But. If your goal is land building building quickly -- at least not to. I've learned that probably going to be in the near term and cheaper alternative. When you look over the lights -- -- that we are seeing. The -- reintroduction project -- You looking more economical. My expectation. And that. -- -- -- Starting point and science in the supplement. It -- introduction. That Marca appreciated that they would move world Barr Bob Marshall. Bob I apologize -- wrong approach from companies in 1130. That brighter than actually rolled to the of this story gonna -- command pollutants. Bob welcome to -- sure appreciate Colin and our report so I'm just so -- that -- when our breathe this. It is there anything new about this or or is -- something. Dubbed the master plan there's always. He and some instances pipes in some instances diversions. Well I think. But at the stories stated. -- started by a couple of economists it well respected -- -- -- our economy. They're concerned that constant but now was being done. In the match plan ignored couple vital factors -- when it came to. A comparing. The cost benefit. The dredge project quite unpopular with the conversions. And that was that it did not accrue benefits are a lot. Sort pipeline products to be credited with benefits. As they built land. And so there. -- and hand whatever fifteen years. Of -- there about being credited with benefits. And ethnic dispute in in this sort pointed out as you read the report. It says that. Up on a larger the Arctic gear. Up -- window but it Serb. When you get outside of ten to twenty miles from the that a source. It beyond its years than the first and have a much political benefit. And actually like the state has this two -- A tactic he will of their the part aren't built land are. But they don't a lot of heart monitors and it's more expensive particularly in the southern source. And the other. They're not permanent. The land will be an exciting when you -- So it for example aren't -- -- now a camera up at plants that certainly you know project. Well if that's not replenished its going to be subsiding eroding. They need to be you -- under the benefit of the the media person is that once -- -- initial investment construction. And you have the engineering work now. Kilometer reverse all the carrying an order to moderate shall issue -- and water. Which we just turned -- sentiment that it built land. Permanently and then people start though is that. -- -- Partner in the recruitment -- and no one shot deal which is this restricted -- you know it started. -- the uterus or won't you -- have people of business here. A long Wimbledon and the bill of fisherman that I've had a beer and you know your market heard the same thing. -- there against the divergence because they think it's good change of water's salinity in the -- and -- ruined. -- -- were -- they make their living. The master plan he did did it take into. Consideration from what this these economists. Are saying or resist. Resistance from pro office. -- He's very topic wanted to reduce the -- marriage planned by some economists as and people represented the -- the areas that are. And all cases the burst into more cost effective. And from a strict. Economic analyst and political standpoint cost benefit its civil wait that's not carries and a with a witness reports showed -- said. You know shorter distances in shorter period of hard. Some pipeline public about it but a longer distances -- -- -- arms to her and to better or cost benefit. All right realistic Harper's break QB just shortened lives. -- word trying to better understand the differences between diversions in pipelines to rebuild wetlands. What are being called for the mean time was what it means in building something doubles day. We have two experts with a stable of this Robin we called the -- -- about a couple of things -- have our water. And also. Debatable whether the -- it's debate anymore. Well against it is in the -- in state prison wouldn't think that we should be going more pipelines replenished wetland. They even managed appliances combination. River diversions and pipelines. Were -- -- about Bob more troops or to cool in the league and the a couple of condos homes yhency university. -- priests they. Dispute cynically that the lord -- -- diversions. Or more cost of collective. Then pipeline and it's on the pipeline and more cost effective because the brutal way and quickly. And one part of the article. -- -- -- The economic team -- team of economists. Said. That. The team. Influence of its social rule political constraints. We're not considered. In the master plan would explain it. Well what -- considered in the cost benefit analysis of what they're talking about is that who waited. It only to diversions. -- Burton your estate or art or divert some -- other diversions. I carbon and Davis pond and -- particular. The term of the management board has Ian put. A tribute to groups and the impeachment or Richmond especially in others. And so in order to -- help. Basic media influence how that part to operate. And so they are saying that. That -- Thierry when there. Estimating. How much like him a subpar and build their assuming that it view on that he efficiency. When a -- and there's -- realistic based on historical. Evident. The courts you know a repeat that statement about it will not being built. -- like canard was which -- meat -- hope or idea of goals one of which was. Brittany can help works department. This is being built for -- -- urged build one in so. But anyway the economists you know you're using -- comparing apples and we're here in your memories from the tree. And when you. So to political impact it means your -- and will be the last. You mentioned -- so there it. To call -- rock so that they're part. -- did -- move for a loan through and or limited time for both. We have -- throwing cold water. I've had a T. Boone Pickens ago on the show via. Oil magnate also had -- operators and take core group companies. He's talking about how much water used purchasing. All of this country's convinced that it's gonna become a lot more expensive. A lot more hard to -- and we've got. City's upper -- the Ohio River Missouri River that are looking at putting the straw in the Mississippi or the Missouri and -- water over Colorado in mid concrete areas. And got California with the drop. Is do we have a big water problem building -- are these just will be isolated incidents have been eventually get arts. We have a big water problem -- anyway with the water problem that you already. Already here we're just. We're on the edges of the I think the fundamental message here. If you don't understand the value water someone else he does make -- -- As relatively water which state. Louisiana can expect. To be. Viewed as a source of water. For exploitation. And export. It or not. Identifying. Something we want to build our future. And that's not just economically. And act where we start a conversation. If we're planning use water which got -- A maximum advantage. We shouldn't guaranteed. Someone else needs to. So we make our plans for the post -- more about it. We have -- nurture and you know imposition on people. As opposed to how we ensure long term value and then. And quite frankly. The master plan will probably would be. Something that looked at -- so. Well well intended. Never got a chance. I would agree with I think that. Economists they -- their questions. But captain but that surely right the way we going to urgent. River just ask. Indeed not -- in the Portland future. And lawyers and economists and other people and situations -- On at some point we have to make the decision to what kind of future we're good at that and long before we go underwater. Aren't in the community. An official who initially and I'm sure. Knows the transit through the a water crisis delivers treat you -- for. Ballmer these still load debates -- -- on board primarily would got a master blend and it's going to be implemented as any of that started. Oh yeah I mean are you know -- -- for a couple billion dollar and nobody. There quite a few projects under way. We don't have the -- plan. Is so. Devoted to kind of you know sort of weapons. Environment and the that the other there's -- but protection. But notre you know where hundreds of projects that are underway. Some have been completed. Some are disputing started in the court anymore in the planning stage up the army -- -- in on the war question. And they have -- -- on the market in the past. He bought the record here -- sentiment about water but much water there and river. Well it certainly can move it out here -- that we have. To rebuild the let speech we -- so these issues coming up of people droppings are -- ripper is a real ones and impact. Our future here in the state. You don't realize -- and astronomy at ball and it's so that. You know that is really liked it here because. Climate change. You know outlook since the the water issue in the country. All these other states will be -- you -- more water from the river and right now they are marketed correctly but there's no. They can do whatever they want with the -- can't trucks that are state. Won't that affect who navigation. Flood control project. -- licenses generally there's. Oh because it is always appreciated that time and the biz and this is a show won't keep doing hope we can get true on the show have good to. Know about. All right -- break we're coming right back we'll talk to a -- John Lopez is executive director. Like Poland should three basin foundation about this and more coming up next.