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Think Tank 12:35pm, Raymond Burkhart

Mar 19, 2014|

Police are wearing cameras to record interactions with the public. Is it the latest loss of privacy or is it something that protects the police and you? Raymond Burkhart,Attorney with Fraternal Order of Police

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I'd heard about -- knowledge you brought have ignored view was going to be huge -- and in this volume. And carting two the reports of a -- officers. At police officers. At Donaldson's. Thousands of law enforcement agencies. Or wearing tiny cameras record their interactions with the public. And in many cases the devices are being rolled out faster than the departments for able to create policies. The government there used. This is interest here just -- Leo Alaska. Rid of businesses one of the the world's top loses his on the show a couple of weeks ago and he was pointing out of the power for. Of computers and technology. News is doubling and tripling and quadrupling it it's moving. Exponential time that constant doubling. And one of the things he questioned his. Not that computers would take over blood could -- keep up with the societal. Changes. In -- technology that's moving faster. Than weakened prepared to live weather and this may be an indication of that. To ask about the New Orleans Police Department we from Raymond -- partner attorney with the fraternal order please for Raymond and we've been tied up in court appreciate the time. Don't know problem. -- -- -- lives like -- is pleased Borbon notes September 2013. It would begin equipping officers with -- -- cameras has that occurred. Story. And and is that a lot of officers just the -- would -- score. Bottom of the world camera that we they are able to be rotated. But that it's starting at the policy that was put in place. To ensure war. That the consent decree is being carried out that the consent decree -- really calls for the -- camera should be in the car. It's a level. Documentation that the superintendent has ordered. Ball beyond the center court now what about naturally in the body that I'm not sure we -- again something at work. Anybody have price tag on what it cost. Well regulatory. And it's again we can't believe. We are probably most we need to focus on consent decree war. Shall we need to focus our budget on the mental issues hiring issues the wage issue that's really what we need to be dealing. And concerns about the privacy side items that can live side. I'm a policeman. Into the back out the rule them. Talking about people were talking about things ruling wouldn't like publicized. In a get a good camera. And two thirds about what is going to be recorded. Well it will use the camera on machines that other human being and it could forget that. I guess. Well we cry out new technology. -- use in check out you know what. Sparked almost. About the unintended consequences and that's exactly what you're discussing at the end that. It can be seen pictures. And we -- need to remember that these are tool but not the beginning of the story whole story just in the store their murder or. To -- courts and law enforcement. Public. To ensure which cooled down the scene in -- document Koppel. At the same time on the whole sport. And so we need to be mindful that they're not. The -- But at the same time you know. The public constantly on the ball so much and -- All only churn out with a renewed with the public agency. -- privacy laws -- personal matter why police report should -- initially. Are going to be able. To that -- -- -- These Cameron what would they looked like. On the -- broad. But but I mean an inch wide five inches one they can be. True. Increases in just a problem I don't obviously -- -- one. -- but relatively small when they're carrying out on the tap shoes to shirt or out of college and sure prepare in whatever small market as a student so on the video articles and California. Sunglasses. It's. Well we're not there I'm proud to be gone up but the key to the whole thing you know. Remember when you call the police it's going to be documented in celebration at the -- If you're a lot of policemen. -- could be documents publisher reform is public option is public. And you. And again when you want to ensure that documentation. Is occurring you have to keep that in mind. I'm. Justice Department the police shoot the city. Oh whoever. Anybody drawn opening guidelines. Are we -- why -- constantly in law should not only because. Right out of the court somewhat tinkering with the consent decree in and of itself. Arm you know bought it trying to make sure it's it's working trying to get implementation. And Corey so we have guidelines. Right now the fact is. -- maybe it really destroy the -- -- this -- you know urged parliament. That we -- now with the department. All obviously always look to other departments and see what they're doing to determine what works and what do not. But at the end of the day or so our schools. Which would be you know when -- -- see you go documented complaint racial or stressed that. But at the same time -- -- out. And all right Lou this figure purse rector you're listening to Raymond -- art. Attorney with the perturbed ordered Lee's word we're talking about new -- small cameras. Met some New Orleans policeman in columns and round country or wearing to document the interactions between. Offs and them what do you think -- but you deal like. I think it's a good thing bad thing. Scotland or ask a question to -- 0187. Told rate. 86 addicts. It is -- steroids -- the technology is moving at war spree these days that holds and toward enforcement agencies across the year country. Or begun to Wear tiny cameras were called -- -- record these interactions with the public. And we have Raymond -- Carter's attorney with the fraternal order replete here in New Orleans and these cameras or beginning to be implemented to the forces here in New Orleans. -- -- overall. Thoughts about these. I hope that I did because of the -- the last. Reading you know Chicago police. And a couple of days ago being interviewed about this. And they sit well. When we put cameras on the dashboard we called them in -- camps. They wouldn't -- -- porting we didn't really do. And as. The camera on the dashboard. Turned out to be a minus four policemen and then what do you think about. Well yes and now again it's it's because. When you get a videotape. Of a crime or police action or whatever you -- If we stop right there that's or become -- -- okay. At the same time it's it's really a -- but art robotic arm and what our obligations are practically. -- decree requires. Parking spot the body camps. We respect our phones where the most accurate and that is recruiting officers from different types of jurisdictions around the -- We need to spend money on equipment that actually works and also truly needs such as vehicle. That's where we need to be focusing a price or. If it to consent decree that would call for especially as expensive. Why we spend on. It doesn't make us any batter with a giant is looking for its compliance with the center court. And the real issue there sure are officers receive the proper training and cry out for as we speak but no one wants to address that issue. And the -- and the ejection that's a simple thought about -- or. The camera and they can work or they can work judge. And the public should realize that porcelain bowl like if you work against the public well. -- one of food or questions that came to ma ma indebted to if two scoops fully implement it. And it becomes. Common use for everybody gets you through. One of what happened say in the cases of sexual assault victim and confidential informant. Or the guidelines we have now include that. It. And now interviews have to be videotaped and such a mean. We try these comments and scratch and you're up to supervise -- okay. After consultation about what you'll sort of what investigations. So about you'll you'll see things like that about good call or good reason. -- -- was always part. These things -- small enough to worry you can just forget the wrong. You know they are. And that's that's kind of a problem -- that police also human beings should pay and -- -- you bill Everett mall just like the rest of so that could. And the problem is that people don't think as part. Everybody climbers. And and brought against you know we need more accountability. Well. Part of the problem -- number of people are people people are human and people make mistakes. And have unintended consequence we have had very well. I was reading about an officer in Oakland. Chasing a suspect on board he said he pulled -- -- Had shooting. But. The camera where it was placed on the shirt. And didn't show old the pole picture. And he is on the verge of being I think on the wired -- Or discipline. Or even charged. And they've found suspect's -- -- nearby with the fingerprints on it. That could be a problem words just you got it all but it doesn't show the -- story right. All right but that's about it appointing. If we rely on the videotape about how -- and powerful. There are some optical illusion problems if you will place and an ankle problems camera. -- you know. That's what have to be factored into the we have these India. You have to think about the takers -- -- isn't -- dark on the Internet and -- -- -- An officer does not he's got -- -- -- can see that way. -- source you've got -- human thought so it didn't walk on the court should show. What the officer actually saw. Especially when we take into account whether cameras placed on the trader at. And what -- -- power so. We check out rush to judgment just because the videotape shall. We have to account pay for the technology itself in being what is going -- see. What a video. Don't tell the whole story that's probably aren't I don't attempt -- really. Can citizens' good your taper off teachers. Asia and we spoke about that a while but they certainly. They keep -- people -- open. Number one and legal to hear what the police investigation. To -- By key protest. Don't get involved. Predicted a picture of threat to the investigation more -- to the officer and personal and he's dealing. -- at all. Live in the limit to governance and pleas from sought to. Live Libya's in this hip if somebody gets stopped may have their cellphones sitting in. -- -- And they put it on video just to make sure that that everything -- record is that legal. Are you one other. Some of things are -- suggest. That this will be a big benefit. To both officer. And the citizens in that there will be fewer lawsuits. And pure -- taxpayers'. Dollars spent on lawsuits because the situation -- back up what the police. But again this problem through the pin and a court be it but you've got that a -- -- -- you feel that much time. And you it's amazing how many times. Those video out port civil servants and both criminal administrative and so -- You just kept up they're the ones who was touted that its own medical. Degree view to use one. -- have sort poorly and running faster just to keep up with technology always a pleasure to have been on the thank you saw Marshall -- talked -- -- and vice Versa WW Andrew Hill who's next do not go away.