Mar 20, 2014|
The new and tougher classroom standard called Common Core is the subject of battles across America. Now the fight is in our state legislature. It pits the head of the state school board against governor Jindal. Have you taken a side? Do you even understand what Common Core is? Garland was joined by Michael Petrilli, Executive Vice President of the Thomas B. Fordham Institute, to hear his side of the issue.
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Article. Continuing my education on what is common core. Educational standards huge cues from senators don't spend that much. I got this from the we do sort of solution to business and industry you just. Must be -- hundred big big businesses in this state that -- it. And a whole list of teachers association's science institutions mathematics library. That are also for what we yeah. Just got through talking to border is Louisiana's. A teacher's union presidents. And it's of the -- concerns over his incumbency to recipients that but he says bright now. A little too confusing. For everybody. So we're gonna talked over the another expert Michael put truly executive vice president Thomas B Fordham institute. National education policy experts served for a Scott Walker and George W. Bush Michael welcome short preacher to talked. I have now are so what teachers students it's good idea bad idea. Of Moore -- it -- And we know we we strongly believe that a good idea. This is something that conservatives have been fighting for for a thirty year which is to have higher standards and more accountability. For our public schools and we that the promised to -- institute we have been following. The evolution of state standards for a long time fortunately many states had very. We can standards and an especially weak. And that is the -- to Louisiana that the product which have been using. They indicate that ought to ought to -- to do just fine thank you. -- then when they get a college or try to get a decent paying job they are told actually you don't have to reading math skills you need to. Start college you've got a -- -- education or. I'm sorry I'd like Harry but you don't have been reading -- critical thinking skills. How to do this job. And so what we're trying to do with the common core is to raise the bar so that our K12 system that is well linked up with the needs of the workforce and and retired change. We've gut I think Hume I'd call him a conservative. -- -- governor Jim Angle. And -- city like -- supported because it's one side says it's all all the and home test won't bury -- under review of the students and we're not proposing a single to and so. He sells like who's against it and so -- Well keep keep reminded important work which is politics I understand you governor would -- would like to move into the White House and a few years after that. And let that there's no doubt there's a lot of conservatives out there on the right many of them members of the Tea Party they have some big concerns about the content court. And some of those I IC is legitimate there's there's concerns about the role of the federal government has played which is actually very small. But that they have been. Involved in small ways and I understand that that's for our friends on the right many many of them said that to deal breaker. At the same time. IDC that these are very good standard the very solid in the protests that are being designed to go along with this are very solid as well you know so Louisiana like you've got a full. He's got a big system of testing and accountability has shown progress you're making progress but parliament does tests are just not as challenging as the need. And what business leaders and it -- if your state like Louisiana that you know what we're gonna pass on the higher standards were not gonna have -- -- make it tougher test. -- you know have a second thoughts about putting -- -- last. You know new factory Louisiana putting new investment in this state because again that we you know we wanna go to places that are committed to developing a workforce that has the skills we need. Unlikable full breed we give back -- -- a couple of questions you. Lot of people been -- you know quite a while to talk to let's go to -- -- you're wrong with Michael I appreciate your true holding. And I appreciate you taking my call. Raising. That it's standard. The through common core you're not raised in this standards -- only shifting its standards to something that's been going on for decades. I'd drive by education and consistency of program that's what's been going on and we're not talking about private sector private education the talking about the public schools system the public school system has something more. Then. It's human -- are children are being you'll literally. And the fundamental education is that should be going on in our public school system. So -- when you're against common -- Well I'm not against pop up com 88 -- principle that fundamental education from K to a -- we have to prepare our our children. For there rich for their choice not the government choice of what they're going to be patient be able to choose. And that's what goes on and should be going on and -- public education. -- told Michael that some people say yeah. Its shouldn't be telling us what to do. Yellow you're right Fred that should be in the -- -- This case that that's common -- thing got started by the governor and state superintendent. And the feds had nothing to do with the standards themselves that they have. Found -- in the first state to adopt them which has spread to some of the. Confusion but look. You know I'd totally support expanded parental choice it's actually essential for parents to get to. Fine school with a good fit for the child and the good news in hormones is that you've got the most robust school choice system. In the country in the public sector and you've got a system that -- -- almost 100% charter schools will soon be. 100% charter schools that offers a wide variety of schools. IQ parents -- that this year and and when you look at standards the point is to simply say. You can get to these standards lots of different ways different kinds schools will approached differently but at the end of the day. How we're trying to make sure that all children I get to a point where they're ready for what comes next and that's either college or good paying career. And we're moving in that direction so you know I I think that you guys in many is that the best of all worlds in the world and you've got these higher standards coming thanks to the common course and you've got. A great system -- And -- kansas'. Incredibly. Complex. Very difficult to implement the -- to both students and teachers. And so I'm claiming that the students to literally will bind and of the career. I well. -- -- But mainly -- good -- charge that it's too difficult over the period time to implement. Yeah look at it apart and and we've got to make sure that we implement the -- flee I will say that the State's superintendent lieutenant John White. Has put out a very thoughtful plan to implement this over the course of ten years. Not to say that didn't make sure there is plenty of time for teachers to learn that these standards to change the way to teach to raise embarks. And make sure that we are not to hold schools are accountable unfairly while we're making this transition and likewise with teachers. -- -- or other states. Raising the assumed over here in in your period and nod. How do you compare those that would you want them back bones of this plan. You know it's interesting I think -- a leader here as it is on so many things education mean met many that haven't figured that part out. They haven't quite figured out how this is an impact there. School accountability system where their efforts to evaluate teachers a lot of that yet to be done and I think they're looking at what -- superintendent why did. And maybe following his lead. It absolutely it's going to be. Challenging for teachers what we're trying to say with these standards is look we've got to switch from a kind of teaching that was teaching fairly low level skills. The kind of thing that you measure with these so old fashioned fill in the blank exams and now we're trying to get more kids field deepest. Higher level worked be able to read really challenging text. Fiction and nonfiction the kind of things that they would see it in college. As well as do higher level -- This is you know it's gonna take a lot of training a lot of work in and but -- -- -- -- -- Garland is that educators by and large are embracing. The overwhelmingly supportive port according to all kinds of polls. In the state and nationally. And and you see that you mentioned at the beginning of like a lot the educator troops are behind this because. They like the standards they they want to teach them as stronger way. And they see this in many ways as a candidate to some of the best teaching has been promoted by. Standardized testing in by the No Child Left Behind act and and so you know this is something very promising that we we do at the time. It's going to be a process. -- -- -- -- Many of the current text books can be obsolete. And a lot of schools even that they wanna try those troops can report. And well it it is certainly true that that you have got to bring in new materials and deepest well. The good news is that there's a lot of stuff come on on line that's available for free there's many states New York for example that's putting out. Good curriculum materials for freedom -- but he crossed the country can use so. The first school districts don't have the resources to buy new books -- they are going to be held captive to some others as resources but overtime. A look at. With me especially the elementary school level they are gonna need to bring some new materials -- of things the common course standards call for is to get back to the point where we're -- getting serious about teaching. History and science and art and music and literature at an early you know getting kids exposed all of that. Too many elementary schools have become these places where there's just -- just -- -- just been teaching or these dry skills instead of this rich content. About the world and so we can do that well we do need to bring in different times books and for for the kids to read into engagement. But again -- can do that over time we spend you know make some investments here by a year to get the point where -- he's got. We're assuming argument is Google logo about a minute it is is if -- too hard if this is too complicated. We'll hit a -- operation in the broad till the near future when they try to go get a job in the actually the requirements. Of services to Harden too complicated. -- our financial capital. I mean what we have with our current system is that we are sending thousands of young people to college in feed them fail out because they get into remedial education. Which is just sort of a one way ticket to failure they did they never get on to the regular college classes -- They try to get into the work force them and the players are -- what -- these these young people they just don't have the skills we need to trust hired so. You know this is the challenge facing this is the problem we're trying to fix. And we're not gonna improve if we don't start aiming higher changing what happens inside -- school. Michael I think I understand a little bit better appreciated that time we have great. Thank you Carl.