We continue our conversation about flight 37 -- Malaysian airlines and -- kind of world pretty much stop where they were -- wanted to hear the news conference from. The prime minister. Yesterday and and and so in some text here saying that. There's no way this is everything. That the the authorities are saying it is there's too much going on too much doesn't make sense. And early joins us right now former navy captain commanding officer at the naval oceanography command. I believe he was involved in the search for that missing French airline Air France flight 447 and I also understand he's a -- not a resonant but spent some time and this does Stennis space center in Biloxi did you not. Good morning coming yet. They did and proud the sale of spent a lot of good years down on the Gulf Coast there. Well good uneasily with -- -- well now I'm glad we're familiar with -- and tell me I guess where you even start on this stand now that. I guess every bit of technology shows that the plane the jet could have done nothing and correct me if I'm wrong but. Go on and the ocean is -- and. Well that that's. That's what Malaysian prime minister came out and announce yesterday that press conference. And you have to you know hearts and prayers go out instantly now -- have to deal with. But the -- that apparently being put comments. But the real issue still is you know we don't know. It. It is in until the Australian search and rescue urgent rescue recovery that there were able to get into the area with -- ships. It's gonna be a waiting game so to make sure that what has been spotted. Via the satellite and aircraft over the last couple days. Is in fact the the wreckage in the debris field from that aircraft and so. Everybody's cautioning -- You know the analysis that was announced yesterday is based on. Looking at everything that was available via satellite handshake signals within -- that. But there's a lot of stolen known here because even -- they announced yesterday and now this is sort of unprecedented. And -- lead here in the metropolitan DC but not -- -- -- horse that did it in the you know we're looking for more information that we can. You know -- ourselves. In terms of -- For some of the term satellite innocently handshake and at a final that is. So signal integrity now. Political what it's been reported as a satellite handshake and get the best analogy is put yourself on. Even when you're not talking yourself on it occasionally talks the towers near you to think uranium. And if you need to call me here's how you reached me. So what happened what's been reported by in March that is even after the all the normal communications of the aircraft -- -- about 1 o'clock in the morning. Every hour at about eleven minutes after the hour the satellite over the Indian Ocean. Heidi two lead signal the aircraft the said uranium now unfortunately just that I'm allies -- didn't say exactly the position. Investigators. I think six hours worth of information that said the aircraft was still. Intact the aircraft still had power in the signal was moving to -- aircraft must still be in the here. And that's what led them to -- north and south course. When it comes today Air France -- 447. What was there at least debris that was evident that led to lead the investigations search for the black boxes that were found what two years later. Correct correct I mean I -- need to correct one piece that the company I'm with now metro on. How was part of the search team quit the French BA they're merchant of the NTSB. That helped find the year the year -- for seven -- I personally would not -- that was still on active duty down their status. Working in the naval photography community -- Taking a location -- -- identified Stennis is in Biloxi it's not it's between unit basic -- you have got out of that group that's right -- Italian -- Just a do you know there was debris immediately after the the crash of that there -- And it looked like and in that I think it's the best case we have in modern history for people to think about when they think about the complexity of what we're facing now. So in the -- of Air -- four or seven. I've been playing in the in the pilot continued atop the towers up to about four minutes Opel before everything went quiet. So we had very good looking report up to four minutes before the plane disappeared from all communications on where it was over the Atlantic. The French and other partners immediately got ships and aircraft in the area it's still -- over five days to find the -- that the wreckage. The once they did find the wreckage field and got ships and they're good to confirm that it actually worked from the from the corporate full force seven. Eventually recovered over a thousand pieces of debris you know in a fairly wide debris field. It turned out to be about forty miles north of where the plane had actually impacted the water but we didn't know that for another two years and so. He had done all the backtracking. So the first -- you have to do we have to find debris field. The next -- should do is he carefully applied each of the points each of the places where you find something from the aircraft. And then just like the folks over senate enabled -- to do. You run these very high resolution wind and ocean. In current models and you can use that to back things up he can basically run the run the player backwards please if I picked it up here. And I know with the current two wins have been doing over the last couple days. We certainly backed up the trip -- -- where likely came from on the day of the plane disappeared. And that's that was one of the clues that led us to help us find Air France 447. All the information look at. In a fairly tight -- it was only about 5000 square mile search area that the lead they need to look to find the plane it still took two years. Define the black -- from the ocean bottom. Do you anticipate eventually finding a debris field we had mark rose and -- on earlier former NTSB champion. The chairman rather easily a champion days ago again. And he said that -- some of the stuff -- -- the more in the water could sink and if that happens not even have a starting point. Well that prime as the enemy here and the fact the weather down there just renders the search operations over the last week for a canceled because of -- force went in very -- he's been on the air in the in the search area got 15100 mile ball superb. But what we saw on your friends for a 47 war that there -- a lot of objects like seat cushions. Luggage and that the overhead and that that will -- for quite a long time. So there are a lot of opinions on this right now and trying not to to speculate trying to stay with fact based on what we've seen in past accidents. But the longer things go wants something waterlogged and -- precinct. The longer things -- more on that debris field begins to disperse. -- the gets -- -- quarterly larger and the longer this goes on the techniques that described about using ocean winds to back things up. Become less and less accurate and a in and that all would complicate the task of trying to find the right place in the ocean bottom to start looking. -- quit before I let you go in terms of water conditions to your notion under fire presume. The difference -- water conditions where Air France flight 447 went down in here night and day difference. No actually not it's ocean depth about two miles down saying those spots. We beat beat area air transport for seven went down at some smooth bottom which is very good for searching the bottom of rugged bottoms. The problem we have where. Where the Malaysian searcher Malaysian air -- is is that area not been well charted so no one's really sure what the bottom looks like down there it is going to be. Just -- or the search. Currently the other big issue. The idea ocean currents in both periods are here are highly variable that can make life a little difficult for future aren't respecting. Last piece is the weather the weather down where they are searching now is much rougher than what they had to deal with with Air France 447. And it's so remote it's taking -- -- four hours for aircraft just yet there are so think about leaving Washington DC. Flying out to Denver certain for an hour looking for something in the flying public back and that's what your crews are going through right now. Had to appreciate your time I'll get to talk yen. Thought it -- my later that.