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4-2-14 12:10pm Garland: on China's pollution problem

Apr 2, 2014|

Garland talks about the pollution problem in China with Eric Smith of the Tulane Institute of Energy and Dan Kish of the Institute for Energy Research.

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And concentrated. A long time. That pollution in each line. Compliment prudent business Euro regular businesses. And always assumed it was just in the Berry burgers -- says that said in some of them not real small -- it's. Smaller urban courier and words and words people. Some people leaving. And Wear the mask in buildings because it's in the world trading. Oval was wonder boards as the largest country in the world. -- for energy and I think in the picture with me right. In there. Primaries towards energy -- And wanna see them looking at more and more. Is the 00 action and eleven miles and miles of coastline and and as pollution get workers. There looking for partners and they're doing their own search. And -- Doing the same thing overall private investment and see energy projects and so these are fascinating you've got a human June. A giant propeller. Are very tall men could be truth through story that it's -- And they place the uses strategic errors that shouldn't current. Engine operated in -- Senior energy type projects in Europe. Averaged about 825. Million dollars over the past seven years. And -- department is supporting. A number of -- because Richard ventures. Also -- the torch route via the country's. Doing this. We've. -- favorite expert in energy. And that have been updated of what's happening with everything. Coal oil gold and approved it's itself. So on stimulants from the time again today about professor Eric Schmidt two things institute of energy. Professor welcome back then throws all appreciated. This these these energy producing propellers water reading. He it's more economically feasible then then all shouldn't win. But is that economically. Feasible. At all in UC that is part of book portion of alternative and in the future. Well I guess the first thing that's. Yes it's certainly going to be any portion of the renewable energy. Our portfolio. -- bigger portion and then of course a big to renewable portfolio as the overall it sure broke the question. I think that. Certainly we have looked at potential for putting forward the river turbines in the this should be river for example that in -- could come up with -- any arguments against civil that the -- which is sort of the usual things are things people are. A legend -- -- -- having young men here. Whom had -- through four years ago with the idea village in the of the concept of striving disturbance the bottom of barges. Being moved bloom. And -- the to get around some of the maritime rules. And even ride on the verge of putting 2000 of them between Saint Louis and here. Is an experiment couple utility companies I think. Worth thinking about subsidized and no projects like that ever got off the ground. I tried -- and I think probably our recession had a little bit to do. A whole lot of a lot of the and the other thing quite frankly that it impacts that is what you will cross spiritual. Vicious propaganda can be natural care. On economic terms when what you're regenerate power. These these ocean turbans. And on the bottom -- I would assume unlike when bills -- in the ocean or land. Doesn't have to worry about whether nodded moving and these are putting currents that are static right and -- All made their their their steady and a -- the most common in our approach to it's refusing. The turn in places like the pair formed which is -- normal measures like you're an -- -- sure. Putting a lot of effort into very there's actually. Our -- programs are working on UK which courses. In Europe and as part of the ideas and he's currently on twice -- day every day and have them for a thousand years and if you can. Figure out a way to capture that energy -- virtual lecture this year in part. There are problems. The most obvious problems were any of these there underwater. Term concerns. They're hard to get to to maintain our courts are expensive it. There's always risk -- give them colliding now with the vessel but at least to -- a -- things that are in the war. I assume that most of the designs. China is looking at. The blazers designed to allow fish to path through safely against. Impossible that the deep interest passed through shapely that might be in the water. Well in there they can make things more robust and can be able to take it Sharpton in -- -- third error. Things they can do better course they'll cost money and it. You do run into problems. With. School officials likely right in the problems from the wind farms would prefer. Per secretary per bird took. I'll show you these are all. Potential development. Of the tribal leaders are currently under their flowing river right gears -- trade idea. There also. Have been running turbans. 400 years in the in the United States struggling. For a shorter gear rivers except people -- -- -- some sort. We always have something that somebody doesn't like -- any kind of power generation. Our little magic break here Lou it's come back well. -- Coakley more to your minutes there talk about alternative not alternative energy just energy in particular. -- we get some update on the -- energy resources in the cup will be it'll turn it. Governor arrived back double bill -- 70 AM 1253. Yeah. We're feeling good about energy there's now while we're sort of talking about China and of the pollution problem solve all of the answers are looking like. Literally you. Propellers. Put on these gigantic platforms dropped into the oceans and -- it's everything right now has stolen the search area. And it looks like the even if the evo or. Done and implemented only bugler and small part of of the worldwide in -- these. I professor Eric Schmidt page you'll -- doomed to help me think about this tooling to energy institute. Leader. A professor. I think can -- me about wrong in government panel on climate change. -- worldwide organizations scientist. Came out this week or last week and said -- global warming it is getting purses can get much worsens can cause he'd be NC. And one of the things I keep reading is his shot and is the primary contributor. To global warming. And they seem to -- going. Doing what they're doing primarily. From coal fired plants that bright. And and it is a rare thing called clean cold today -- seat Coleman -- clean coal. Production facility at one what is there. They're two way Hastert took to her term of the clinical approach water has to clean up the week. Cole itself before the news or converted into something that -- you can process of the equator matter. -- the other way is through. Further after you've generated electricity for cleanup stack gases and reduce the amount. The pollution -- its first. All. -- -- By its very nature tend to be there -- dirtier -- -- signals that we we consume. And the Chinese considerable out of that country apple. And better a lot of these other sorts of things sort of that -- where bush were going forward or substantial debts. They're so huge users something about they're geology. Vigils that is as the -- -- -- went by that. Gas and oh god lipped out of their -- rock. Now and I think they have. Gas in particular they have a lot of shale to but it. -- in Africa sort of relates start cracking the code. At oral China was actually. -- and offer and they -- that exporter for the middle of the biggest importers or optional. It's it's a question when you're essentially planned economies -- torture temperature stress and more recently China has been putting stress. All all sorts of energy and in particular there are a lot of good work it -- -- -- -- -- Some of that's for exportable which -- use internally to. We're talking about a country report point three billion people -- -- or call. Progressing nicely and as a progress that he used more and more energy and unfortunately progress for the world most of power generation -- associated -- school. Ports are working renewable. And -- and how much of a percentage. Of it is now or in the future. World -- needs. Well they're -- -- doable our potential is where Carter. For all the series rivers are -- Portrayal. And they're building power down on the servers are creating lakes and generating electricity. While most people don't live in central. Pros should be very strange power groups in the count -- or computers -- Would that work with the Chinese are numbered years -- How to how the global financial infrastructure of the typical. If there's such thing as a -- four billion dollars. And I don't want you want referral. But it takes more money than even the Chinese critic trip. To to do that sort of like sushi. Hydropower being used much -- percent total. If this is a dangerous thing to -- but let's just hide. Abdul hypothetical little that actually climate change and global warming is real. Is China's still building a coal fired plant bought every month. Hours every week for the world then I think there's still metadata browser. Those plants are not static they're getting better and better as they built -- new -- struck. You know they are still building -- coal plants are also building and -- -- coal -- should replace. The sort of throw. Smaller less safe -- -- organized. Should accommodate. Our courts are. So let's say the global warming is re. And all the Louisiana even today having heart attack since his suicide hypothetical. -- them adding a coal fired plant to every day every week every month whatever it may be. Is or read anything that really could be done. Of any consequence. Well are we can help from trying to find more of their own shale gas that was cut pollution. You know per kilowatt. To about 50% of registered. What what's reasoned that can be done the price too low. Well now it's it's different geology that would -- in the states for that's taken just forty years to figure out how to do -- -- state channel. It's it's not that they are trying -- Dutch shell and -- over there helping them better. Carriers. Areas further drilling feverishly trying to figure operate direct competition that they should know even here at least you have a we had our issues were probably -- appreciable oral under the ground nor public -- and it's not our tour. Impossible essentially given it quite direct form. About battery power. Long Congo and packed probably have him on the -- organ next week. Head of MIT Energy Department had actually. Duplicated -- -- the way the plant used as a son to. Make the wrong energy. And and his feeling was -- they completed that -- related groups who were to encompass. Everything from a column read to size and a couple of other things. They would be able to give us boundaries have brought her home to run our cars did you see any evidence. That that's coming hours -- inaudible. Haven't seen much recently talked about the artificial -- -- -- Okay I'm sure they are still working on that and I opened the door. So it might -- short for any any. Pretty certain that I do think that it. Will will we talk about things sort of have a practical impact of the next. 220 years so it's not harmless. Tuned the bottom line at the fall when we had together. Solar and Hydro. Wouldn't GF thermal. And Windmills and everything else. What kind of percentage are we talking about energy was annoyed. Used to be when that when I did the -- years ago two -- 3%. So corporate. And natural gaps how big is that. It's getting bigger at the expense of coal and it's in our community 30% arrangement on during papers are I think that. You know. Even the president thinks as a bridge fuel our people have reported that matters how on the bridge do you want. -- it. It's gonna take -- very long term for people to figure out how to generate. Power for any renewable. Orbit an existing dams. Were. Directly compete with an actual -- went -- for four dollars and you are. Do you see you and me have been horizon. Natural gas infrastructure being built -- such a point where we can. Powered cars -- home. -- I think that you. You're you're already seeing larger vehicles being converted terrible injury and she actually read we Ron Parker which tracks in particular are at the airport. CO CN GQ exploration for the garbage trucks. So although group that we do receive NG after large as we can. And you can't put in VW or call for sort of like a story it's got to be a fairly large corporate. -- do you see you in any time in the -- owner of recent future I mean -- distant future that we will be able funded at a service station and use it in our car. Well as a certain you can -- NC today. If you were if you have a vehicle. You can drive perhaps in. -- and it. But there are. BMW that are running around here today that are there are fueled CNG. And urge Argentine as most of there. Automobiles and CNG don't. I have quite a few of the -- -- broad strip I have a lot of them have been so -- there are. It's certainly the Brazilians are on. Alcohol but it got it you know it's available so while the Chinese coal available to. About a -- runoff until somebody comes sort of a more cost effective solution. Protester always in education I've appreciated his time -- -- -- -- -- producer Rick Smith. -- institute of energy's incumbent right next will talk to. Somebody would have policy expert for the sooners to an institute of energy research and they each side of publicly and to bond and have businesses they do a lot of work and trying to. -- base and when I asked him about their troops they mentioned the pollution how bad news and it was just the major. Cities in China by a little search on TV even some of the smaller cities or. Seeing a problem and of and its fans increasing problem. And really the last -- brief bit China's got eleven -- twelve miles of coastline. So of their looking. At alternative energy and one of the things -- in pursuing that looking at auction energy technology. And among those projects there that think about building titled how old wall. -- turbines using them comfortably -- it's -- -- I'll use an additional wild -- at the roots are deeply. And if it's approved. This bull would cost about thirty billion dollars in purse assessments. Would provide electricity. Up rebut. The same output is -- and or urged nuclear reactors. Lockheed and number of our company is in -- working group. Chinese conglomerate so -- corporate Europe there's some -- goal Atlantic resources. Building the world's largest title blow project department 200000. Homes. Out of the crews -- northern Scotland. And what you're doing their duties they look like giant propellers. Sitting on the platform and put them. And certain areas with the crew works -- -- -- and -- Ngo and so it's. What better time to find out about your technology and also -- where energy in this country in this world. What's this that we've just heard from these. In regard removal. Now organizations. And climate studies. -- that global warming is real and getting much -- so we said. Let's get a couple of experts and one of them is -- -- senior vice president of policy. The institute of energy was searched and I appreciated the or how about this. Title low. -- raiders. Is that it's. Is this viable -- shows. A very birds small. Which. Well I think the from what I understand that it pretend to be necessarily an expert in this. First project pursue a world -- what I can do speak about the general potential. Title -- enormous. In terms of its potential real question like all energy sources is not whether it will produce energy we can produce energy from lots of different things. The issue is what it'll cost at the end and now that. Competes ideally you'd do this. In conjunction is. And other useful. Project for example of -- was building it cause weight to -- Dip my idol offered titles -- currents to be. Captured in conjunction with the expense of of building because -- that was the original intention. To begin with that might begin to make some sense because the construction cost of the facility itself. It would sort of defer some of the costs. Adding the turbines to it if you really damages to. Just to capture energy. Especially the rates that they're talking about. That would probably be pretty expensive and and it should say that a lot of this is still in the laboratory. The deployed at certain places with -- do that as a matter bomb. It's generally a lot more expensive to build things that are subject to salt water. And are placed underwater. Than it is to build among land that's certainly the case for the offshore wind. Where according to the Department of Energy cost almost four times as much as on short way to construct. We we have to project your New Orleans. We're think utility company is private investors were playing -- you putting turbans underneath that. Are attached to the bottom of borders. To run our rivers between. Saint Louis here ordered generally. Energy. And and technically it looked like -- responsible. I don't think they could ever get the funding together is is that the problem with the most alternative and you -- looking at today. Might were record does work Woodward you get the money. Well I don't think so as a matter I mean a lot of people would argue there. Garland but I I'd I don't think really that -- obviously somebody could produce a lot of energy that could compete. And make money for the people that would be investing in that you would. A -- that money from markets its you know it's not as. That ability conspiratorial load of people would like to -- it's it's pretty simple -- somebody good to pay somebody to produce Cadillac Escalade Marley gets out of bottles per gallon cost. It is well within. The average drivers. Price range they would make a lot of money. There's a reason they can't do it. But it that is that ruling one I'm mad dog not conspiracy. -- the one -- it was viable is just. As big couldn't get funding for a big of whatever the revenues -- Purdue's wasn't up to Gilbert turned. What area is is that the problem with a lot of alternative. -- I mean that they can still be there. As a problem. Because the private sector. It doesn't really want that doesn't spend a lot of money they spend on research and development if they think it holds promise for them to make money. But if they don't see it is potentially making money for them they're not really interest is it. And -- past the idea that you know we know the river has current or we -- that ties have current. -- -- Leading the current into. In energy source that's affordable. It is really the ultimate hurdle especially when it has to back up against the other sources that maybe considerably cheaper so. And we know for example that hydroelectric power dams major dams. Make economic they the we've paid for a lot of -- in this country produces -- power they're building. Enormous quantities of -- in enormous advance in China. In addition three gorges state they produce they're the number one producer under electric power in the world. Which isn't discussed much but because they're building hydroelectric power they know how to do that veto it makes money. Because the -- upfront but because electricity is almost nothing coming up Beckett and and and so first scalable. Large. Producers of power that do all the time and you can depend on that people like Tom. They will and that sort of thing. Our Olympic richter and and come back Q love a couple of final minutes. And talk about global warming big worldwide report says it it's for real and it's getting worse. And NC of their role in the options energy bars doctor WW. Brigades celebrity AM 1052 -- Well welcome back a couple of minutes leapt weather expert. And can show and energy. -- believe we have the Euro worldwide report on global warming basic leasing it in words and get much worse in the future. Regardless of who pulled the gender doesn't believe that it Mike portion is trying. Or they still building. Coal fired plants and if they or at the number that they used to. Is there really in the answer to global warming and that -- alternative energy. Which alternative. Yeah. Well setting aside the global warming issue in the report and all the rest. The Chinese Serb the Chinese are building a future monocle. There's a better effect according to the energy in the International Energy Agency which is run by the EU we CP countries considered in Brussels com. They say that by point seventeen cold may actually replace oil is that number one energy source in the world. Largely because of increased. Coal consumption in China India and Indonesia among others so the it is a very. Inexpensive fuel. There's a huge enormous amount of the United States as the world's largest supplies but there's probably a lot more in other places as well. And China already. Use more than four times as much as the US on the pollution side -- -- -- about that earlier. The good thing is that the plants its Chinese are now building. In terms of the pollutants that cause some real respiratory damage the kind of pollutants that we concede and and that sort of thing. The -- answer actually according New York Times. The plants are able to build in China are actually cleaner than the plants that we're able to build here in the United States so it looks like it is going to be a market for we're aware of carbon and coal plants. And the construction of them China's probably gonna capture that because US's out of the business of building new plants. And all of the new plants are largely being built by the by the Chinese and they're in the good news is they're cleaner. Then. The plants that their -- federal plants building nuances basically what's happening -- -- -- building work also. I think -- going to be around for a long time. It's being driven by economic and with 3000003. Billion people. Worldwide who don't even have. Electricity. There's a reason for that and. So there is a thing called clean coal. All you as a matter of fact you know I mean in the United States we've reduced pollutants from -- the last thirty years by 70%. The one thing we haven't been able to do and which nobody has been able to do commercially. Is reduce the amount carbon dioxide in the argument goes whether -- not carbon except as a pollutant or whether it's a by product for. The oxidation process. Our own exit court and then therein lies the big fight over. You know governments that. Would. India. -- -- I'll -- natural gas and tracking why is that not a big deal in Chinese. Well the Chinese would like it to be as a matter of fact in and believe it or not the Chinese have larger. Estimated. Supplies of natural gas. Ian unconventional forms this so called shale gas then do the United States. The big difference in the -- between the United States and China is. As they may have a little more challenging geology there but the other there's something else and I think it's lost a lot of people the benefits and blessings of being in the United States. One of the reasons that we're. Exploding in our production of both natural gas. From hydraulic fracturing and oil from fracturing here in the states is because private property girl. The reason Europe is beholden on the Russians for their gas supplies. Now they find out yesterday -- increase surprised the Ukraine by this. The F. Is because. In the United States people own rights. They have private property rights to the subsurface so if you're farmer somewhere landowner and you get some land that someone comes along -- comes allowances -- Electorally that's -- yes you receive the benefit. In other countries. Almost all countries including China. You don't receive the benefit and therefore there's a lot more objection to people. Drilling in your backyard -- -- -- -- benefits so here we've got a system that's worked the design. Not even the United Kingdom murder. Parts of Europe it over there -- on the surface you -- -- in your house you mean on the farm. But what's below the grumbled some government. That I have never never read or heard about that were reintroducing. Dan thank you so much alerts on -- appreciate it time give a great. -- my pleasure thanks so much. And to issue a senior vice president for policy with the institute of energy research. All right coming around Alex and Julie you're gonna have a -- re introducing showed true going to be on the porch of program. Looking at. Caruso -- Metro area of talk about the Ninth Ward today. Talking about taxis and come up in the -- cures are out there the spammers. Through cultural talk about mill maintenance. We pretty boards -- Botox and laser hair removal and liposuction. And everything else. Coming up next and Jewelers here don't go way.