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4-4-14 10:10am Don Dubuc: on freshwater diversion, part 1

Apr 4, 2014|

Don Dubuc fills in for Garland and talks with State Representative Joe Harrison about House Bill 810, which prohibits freshwater diversions that negatively affect fisheries.

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And Good Friday the Friday edition the think tank would be done Dubuque in for Garland Robinette glad you had a decided to join this -- for the your. Big weekend -- whether or not looking good at all. Heard a few announcements for some canceled events. You know here and now south Louisiana will we get those fronts in back to back to back like we got most of this winner. -- really do a whole lot of arm but bullet -- Tommy in the spring and all these outdoors and to schedule that contemptible monkey wrench in the works but. Some of them have been rescheduled so those are able to go on that have been planned -- -- some of the more endorsements and will be telling you about some -- I not topics this morning very interesting program my legislature's in session so we could be talking about. A couple of issues -- remind -- phone lines are always open at 260187. 038668890870. We do have an instant text message board. In the studio -- -- -- simply wanna send us a text we ask you to do that and 87870. Which also ask you to text responsibly texting and driving is illegal. If you driving please use a designated text and text responsibly. I'm coming up a little bit later on we're going to be talking to. Jerome disease -- rang we're gonna have to actually split. And in the hours this topic of freshwater diversions because he was not available this hour or so in the 11 o'clock hour right after the bottom of the hour news. We gonna be talking to the new executive director of coastal protection and restoration authority the gentleman who has been working there. And is now replaced outgoing executive director Garret graves are talking about house bill 810. Which would prohibit freshwater diversions if they negatively affect the fisheries resources. I'm asking him if this bill does pass. How will it affect the master plan is this actually point of the CP RA's agreement that this is a a dynamic. Procedure than as they go along and get into the rebuilding in the restoration and preservation of the coast. If they find some changes to the coastal master plan that need to be implemented their very willing to do that does this come under that heading. We'll find out what the opinion of Jerome rang his scent that's an 11 o'clock hour on the noon hour we get a pretty much dedicate to. The dangers of social media. The Internet. You know I have been doing some programs over the last several months that regard to the Internet to the world wide web. That in by cyber bullying identity theft. Our young people losing their communication skills a photo identification fraud we had programs couple weeks ago on revenge sixteen. And then last week we talked with the owners -- professional about the negative -- and other health impacts caused from blue light. Over extended periods of time of people staring into monsters of computers and Smartphones and I pads -- how detrimental that can be. But the latest news that broke this 27 year old beavis brings a child pornography ring leader. Making hundreds of thousands of dollars to -- child exploitation. Through web site. Is this enough to convince you that while many Internet was a good idea gone horribly bad is the good of the Internet outweighed by the evil. That's one for the think tank for you to think about long and hard if we could go back. And bush would have to be everyone would you be in favor of any existence of the world wide web. Or does the good do you think outweigh the evil. That'll be our discussion in the 12 o'clock now on in the 11 o'clock now we're gonna talk about all these bills dealing with our arms. In the state of Louisiana you know we've got are counted some in excess of ten to a dozen. Bills dealing with firearms in the legislature. All all we overly obsessed with being -- in Louisiana we out of control with. Trying to make gun. Availability. More prevalent are less prevalent from the other side of it all we just concerned with providing this necessary personal protection under the Second Amendment. And that is the subject of our current ready opinion poll. All we overly obsessed in Louisiana all the only really just concerned with providing the necessary personal protection it's guaranteed awesome the Second Amendment. Pretty close right now. We've got fifth. He 3% saying we are obsessed in Louisiana with being on 47%. Say no. It's just our our concern is sincere concerned with providing over personal protection within the guarantee of the Second Amendment cast that vote. At WW well that. I -- take a break here real quick when we come back we have a state representative Joseph Harrison on talking about his house bill 810 this is one that would prohibit. Freshwater diversions negatively affecting fisheries. And a lot of you say no wait a minute we've heard that freshwater diversion is the answer to solving my at least a major ransom component. On the coastal master plan to restore and protect our coast. Are we gonna be sacrificing natural resources in order to save the coastal -- we save the coast and get rid of financial resources how will this bill if passed the fact that master plan. Back with state rep Joseph Harrison and your calls and comments and text. I'd hear on the Friday edition of the think tank listened to -- -- WW well it's seven. And welcome back into the Friday edition of the think -- -- -- -- with you for Garland -- golf will be back with you on Monday -- ready opinion poll question asking you this we overly obsessed with being on in Louisiana. Or we just concerned with providing necessary personal protection under the Second Amendment if you check. The legislative. Scanned it website you'll see how many bills are being considered with regard firearms. Again attacks in the senate think you read the numbers wrong I'm seeing different nominal reason he's seeing different numbers is from the time I read them they have -- each. And that goes on but think this was going to be fairly close. Right now those that say we're obsessed in Louisiana with the is being armed. Is 41%. Those concerns think that we are more concerned a serious concern providing personal protection. Under the Second Amendment is 59%. You can cast that vote and be counted. At WW dot com we'll get back to that effect the next hour. Get heavily into some of those major bills that we're looking at. But this hour we're talking about freshwater diversions. Also house bill 810 state representative who authored this bill we're going to be discussing Joseph Harrison joins us and legacy captain George -- amounts of time to call and so will give his take on this from the save Louisiana coalition than he has been working very very -- last several months. On giving this this implement a state representative Harrison thank you for joining us appreciate. It. If you would the abstract from the bill basically states that would prohibit any fresh water diversion and a flow rate. That negatively affects fisheries. More specifically does the law get into some numbers on what is considered a negative impact. Well what we put into the bill was spot or a thousand which use. Really taking from the scientists within wallet to trees and such. Now we have from this agreement and that's a lot of it was not place on the -- last week. Because we're trying to come from common ground but it's a very simple direct feel. And it's warm there I feel we need to protect our industry and our communities that may be adversely affected by these diverge. All I sat on CP -- board prosecutors. So very aware the coroner Tom what was going along with the master plan. And I had a general concerns as many people. All about where we are with impact study to ecology of it and the economic stability. Those are things that opened a lot of people question union and -- -- you're -- -- coming on because. He was one the cost early kind of stood up against Whitman. We need to get more science we need -- that would more. Our own coastal protection is not something that they are against north ma we needed we know where do. Oh we noted 17100. Square miles could be lost -- virtual records on all bullet. We also want that happy balanced there are communities. And our economy. Just bear Terri they hear -- that -- over fifty something million dollars a year in and the seafood industry. Not counting the docs and all the other people that are dependent on eventually -- used a multiplier of about three. In order to -- some of the economic impact that it did come to that area. So we're very concerned -- feel that this is so. A very straightforward -- it's not to block any thing that is good for our our coast. But we also have to look at that the second thing out of the master plan and this protection. Senator Harrison we again I have -- the Rangel as a director of the coastal protection restoration authority come we couldn't get him on his salary was tied up he's gonna come on later on. But the question I'm gonna ask him -- and like to ask you -- to you mention this happy balance and that's the real key where. We can still proceed with the master plan rebuild preserve the coast if we get the money -- -- have very big gift. But that being said what we need to do at the same time is not throw away our natural resource is in favor restoring the coast and that's been happy balance you're talking about. Garret graves. And your homes -- rang and everybody was CP RA has always said that the coastal master plan is a plan that is not one that's written in stone. It can be changed it can be modified. This bill what you're asking for that. This summary indicates changes up to a five point 3000 salute to line. If impacted by the plan do you see this as derailing the coastal master plan delaying and installing it. Or is this something that they would say yeah we can live -- -- this is one of those changes that we didn't account for what we think we can go along with -- Well there the question that's what people Nabil back -- -- -- entry and captain rich and George governor. That was so involved in discussions were also the people -- Indians in the industry and others that were all associated with the well they are saying that this could shut the projects now. And ended and the actual old master plan it's its sustainability. Or she couldn't mystery. What we're trying to upon now is where we're it would get -- to get. The number right so that we both feel comfortable that that's going to happen because what you destroy that industry it's not coming back. You destroy your first words you discourage your your major or oyster bids that we have throughout that whole region. That is a major economic -- -- -- to the state to the people have been doing this for generations. It's a culture. It is what. The one saying that we can count on analyst at bear things that were number one and that is -- that would provide to the nation. Sold these diversions would -- have to be. Go back to the drawing board and redesigned them to limit the amount of fresh water and sediment that is going to be discharged. And at the same time maybe bring in morneau would George tricks is -- -- later is is an advanced. Accelerate the -- did sediment diversion process to make up for what we might lose in sediment comment from the river. One of trying to find out is this gonna delay that coastal master plan and you opinion because like he set time is running out. Well Thomas now with the the plan and -- -- -- -- -- latitude earlier about where's the money from first. So think that we do have time in order to make true making right decisions. To protect protection be the first word. Preservation restoration is good but protection of our communities could be on the war. If we don't protective with the right Levy system because it -- -- that was first projected. If you look at our world there were talking about 250 C -- -- Now -- brought it down to fifty as mr. draw on parental point now. And Jerome has to do that if he lives on the coast strong terrible error. Well known -- long time and those action. Is -- able -- up Gilbert -- in working with -- romance with all of it should step we need more science we need these. Economic stability in ecology studies before that move forward. -- worse or concern that they release the engineering money. Approximately forty million dollars prior to approval for the permits. And for the these stories that crops that we could adjust and I sent. And god knows as one -- -- onboard it's supposed to be flexible it's supposed to accommodate the needs of all people who were impacted our. -- -- OK so if you've still is in fact Aston -- -- like an update on where it is believed he said it was kind of tabled for next week. You know waiting on some more information. But if in fact it is passed in the in the form that it's going to be coming out. Then what's the next step below who'll do the monitoring of that and will -- -- -- directive issued to. CTO RA to go back to the master plan and try to get it in accordance with what's being done. And also on -- -- is this based on parity in the parish would actually have some authority each individual parishes to whether. They would wanna make this change. Well that that's one of the problems the other day we did well matched -- and and natural resource additional. Well it was an up or down vote. At one time this was supposed be segregated -- program each one of the projects out there. And unfortunately we didn't have got to do that because -- erupted in one plan instead of breaking each one of these projects. And looking at the issue that we're talking. But. I think that we have the flexibility. To work within system. We just make this the best possible plan that we can and not have well major disaster happens and actually this is what we fear that we can't change which could potentially move for seafood industry. All or that they. The reserves we have been and the resources that are out there east and west of them -- the -- -- Which would. I'm sure that -- -- that would love. But this is something that we have a culture we have our our state based. Wanna award horrible economy on this we can't make a mistake. We have to make sure that we're doing right. So could this on -- -- bills via bit along that passes -- way it is up to discretion of the parishes in other words of platinum was sand. No we welcome the senate diversion we think it's not gonna adversely affect our seafood industry but yet may be Saint Bernard terrible on Jefferson would say no -- -- That's too much CF -- movement through it we've got to have less. -- Vary from parish to -- Well -- think that that they should opposite so absolutely all of I don't want to you though once hospital type of hello program. Network flexibility within the -- department. It's supposed to give them flexibility produce things and accommodate the needs of the individual communities. And that's so open it would get it. And lastly before you goes the science that's involved what are you hearing what is the best science you've -- telling you at the current rates that was set under the coastal master plan. What would happen to the fisheries. Both -- shellfish infant. Well we're looking at you know people like dean turner scientist didn't -- abuse has. You know the nutrients and it was a major issue in nutrients are actually. Establishing a very weak shallow root system. Which is we're trying to -- -- building land this is not happen our doctor -- general Deluca. From the corps of engineers to strong association. -- a lot of concerned people about where we are on this program. And we're just trying to hope that the destruction working with mr. -- rank and try to get to the best answer for the state Louisiana are people. I'd joking is they will decide do you want to it was -- -- you can OK good we come back we gonna bring a Jewish rakes in the compensation also got married couple by the call as. And lots of text messages come union will be right back -- discuss some house bill 810. Prohibiting a fresh water you know a sentiment -- that would negatively affect fisheries will be right back after the news this is the think tank on WW. Welcome back to the Friday edition of the think tank this afternoon on this morning will be thinking about house bill 810 we heard from state representative Joseph Harrison about his bill that would. Prohibitive sediment diversions freshwater diversions that would negatively affect beneficiaries trying to find what he calls. That happy balance where -- the coastal. Plan will restore and protect and enhance our coast and at the same time not forgo our natural resources which is certainly part of our culture. Joining us in the conversation is captain George -- only problem on these -- a lot Georgia. Glad to see you had time because I know the speckled Trout -- is picking up as a cop out yes -- -- you gonna be getting very busy and you certainly dedicated a large portion of your regular life to this issue which. In -- clean it up of people this is not a form against somebody against the -- everybody wants the same thing we wanna help the vibrant -- to support. Natural resources which continues his -- to that we enjoyed for so many years but getting there can be a little tough -- the edges can be -- often. You certainly have been a proponent of backing off some of the massive amounts of sediment freshwater diversion. But the coastal master plan calls for in favor of increasing the amount of dredging a with regard to this this bill -- talk about eight -- Will this accomplish you're going to what you've seen you've been involved in the science as well as firsthand experience being out there. Witnessing erosion over the last when he 25 years but what do you think it accomplishes what would be necessary to reach that happy balance. Senator Harrison talked about. Or. Personal about like this -- appreciate very much -- programs that are done. At least they can lead with this bill. He -- the importance of operation and and G two resources. Aren't allowed in the legislative now on the board board date date date have been visited. Uncertainties. That the CPR is -- outside the big board have been raising. Local engineers and basic concerns. We've been so of course -- raising concerns. But I'm. The Purdue went the most unfortunate things all right if you -- -- ago if you come out anti depression. You considered at tackle surgery which is not that there. At all. I mean would you like like -- not territory actually all the obvious out seeing you wrote in options for the destruction and all that cost firsthand. -- in that direction making their. -- we don't know it would. Religion -- element rate and it would French once it fiction but we have to fix it now divergent. An -- of the duke -- -- your forties -- they do do it. -- -- -- -- Our that the security and and and that is arranging to have is that it should cheer about protect and out fisheries resources. They should have absolutely no problem with this bill condone it is again key. About -- we shall. Good resource kits about the world by apple but the house. Or Jewish surely can't that debit first -- ago. And oncology is based from the bottom -- if you don't -- open -- Population you have a eke out. And and all we want to guarantee that it these divergent put into effect in in -- the -- divergent operated. Attache level to protect our resource. -- -- may be a question for senator Harrison is still -- -- oh where would the line be drawn on monitoring. This five parts per thousand salinity and you know line that would be impacted -- where is that going to be. As a going to be alignment strictly drawn out by law all of that be one that's more flexible and how far. How does -- reach. Well it depends on like like right now. They -- the fifty or the outlined. And in -- anecdote -- a Blackberry. And the -- -- Basel. You know immediately clear it depends on -- have to work with the quality pictures and established. And it's gonna be -- to. And I'll always want protection. There's no -- Protecting the -- ago. As -- to -- on. Are that it's taken over the divergent and it totally decimated since you'll thousand acres of land. And they can decimate Yo-Yo you know -- and and you have any legal recourse -- there is no law. Are protecting. You'll get to coast restoration project. Yourself in in writing. The CP Allred doesn't issue any any any -- any. Well project we are contracts always wonder something in writing say. If you should see about that these -- -- not all the interest an option about resources. Just put it right and say we operate these things under a plan and we will protect the -- I Georgia's don't the next question and it's probably a very tough question. Let's say that this is past it's implemented and then later on after monitoring the CPR -- comes back and says look guys. We know that this was in necessary to protect and natural resources but according to the best science we've gotten is no mistake. It's not gonna accomplish what we need to do what would -- next move. Well we can accomplish what we need to do that we need to do now. The -- they are all anxious. It's important to outsiders that. Well what do they came back with certainty and said we know what's gonna happen you Google's displacement issue gonna lose the crabbing shrimping industry is considerably. And the oyster industry but. If we don't do that we have no coast anymore then what's the answer to that. Well that that something. Augusta public ever decide what kind of trade -- you. A four point one billion dollar in Korean heritage and culture -- Louisiana are historical well. Historical political community. Would go to Martin might be abused by the court. You coastal communities are that heritage. -- livelihoods involved here there's. Generations. Not just -- -- and the coast communities that in jeopardy because these divergent -- way to do that. There's some way to do it and it's not it is expected that that is it would make it out to -- But we need to do what country do you want to make that's what everyone has their side. I George -- when they -- gonna take a break we'll come back will involve some members of the public again at some text and we got some phone calls coming in. And I believe we still have state representative Julia Harrison with a so if you wanna give us a call do it at 2601878. 8668890. A seventy tech's board 8787. Will be right back. And this morning were talking about a bill in the legislature house bill 810 authored by senate state representative Joseph Harrison. Which would prohibit operating any freshwater diversion or sediment -- prefer that term at a -- rate that would negatively affect our fisheries which is trying to reach. That happy balance we all want we want to keep by natural resource is our culture. I -- -- job fisheries but at the same time we need to restore and protect the coast of -- hand. If you got a question or comment on text we -- -- what is it 2601870. All three it's 8668890870. -- board and 87870. Witnesses George Rick's with a save Louisiana coalition. And the author of that -- state representative Joseph and bring Mary into the conversation Mary thank you for you call your own Georgian. State -- Paris. Okay on WWL radio I think in -- it was -- almost half now. And he's the one one billion to loan them money to 100 Saint Bernard. Council. That the -- can't announce that name right. But he talked about -- Beckett would say that -- as well and it deficiencies. And but he said that these people who want to do diversions the people cannot protect -- -- from all parts of the country have been down here. Well how -- it -- -- that we can implement this directing. And at a convention on. Men should George can answer that disease of the -- of increase in the dredging and might. We do as people listening in on the radio. Who rules rules but he in the tragic. The question. -- cadets reported that a major portion -- the master plan is dedicated dredging. We think that we're asking is that as that lady just they wanna see the tragic story. One received barrier reefs that we could put up the rocks. That could assistants who want to see the ring levees. Robert communities that could be unprotected. When you opens the versions of the mulch that they're talking about so yes. We're all supported he would like to see that is being -- priority. Then just putting that emergency desperate step. I have got some thing you see is that that point -- and correct me if these are wrong but it says that twenty billion dollars is being. Dedicated through the master plan for dredging. Well forty million dollars is being dedicated sport diversions. And that to diversions or better in the long term because it's an ongoing process that stays with -- as long the rivers flowing. We're dredging -- could suffer some erosion of its own. And might that be as good long term that is good in the short -- You wondered would like me and America shoot it well wouldn't they like -- banquet facilities at forty billion regiment and overcoming a twenty billion credit will be ignored. -- but yet. We just got the 62 point -- -- -- -- doubt -- BP bunch. What it did it was 60% of that money forty million dollars it -- engineer designer or bird. Well which you is like what the -- what does the court protection and restoration authority. I think we're seeking more protection first. And I'll I'll -- creation projects. Rather than. Think about forty years we right now too much just working to recommitment Katrina and the people call it protection. It would good. For forty years to work in Russia and it worked. We need protection well wouldn't coastal communities protected. Diverted to do so one. Morning fog mist is anxious to meet the -- may pale in that region as well. Why don't take that point. Projects and protection. I -- itself -- -- and you write which is saying is instant the five times as much money under the plan is devoted to. Dredging and it's good and a quick short term why they've taken the first of money available and using it on the one that they've got five times less. Involved in which would be diversions. Where I'd stay with the -- also we have senator Harrison -- we come back SE we have captain Stu -- from Coca entry. Wants to join the conversation with back to talk with him and also get the attacks would have got to have what we'll do it right here on the think tank on the big 87 EW video. Now welcome back to think tank we've been talking with state representative Joseph Harrison a little -- -- -- of the sale of Louisiana coalition. About house bill 810 if passed would prohibit freshwater diversions or sentiment -- depending on which you'd like to call them. But negatively affecting our fisheries. Joining in the discussion now is captain Stu -- from Coca -- pay -- are you -- down. -- do a pretty good dot. There's an argument just there's not going and let me say it's about arsenal here I can't really speak pretty -- They that the central part of the the -- here in terrible urgent terrible by Astra way that we there's online social science Donna Trombley. And and you go back I started chart efficient 43 years ago -- -- over 101000 for much what's happened. And and the argument is that it -- the dredging has got to do it -- short term it may help on short rock. -- -- picture we have got the -- come out even though it may not be. Is as old as it was years back. It's -- -- the law and here's a deal like -- talk about it gonna destroy the fisheries. My thing as this look at forty years ago we did. At the strip and oysters and speckled -- what -- thought -- and I'm like we do now. The salt water. Erosion has created all this new habitat. So the oysters and shrimp and -- -- there. It -- -- and despite scripture but let's -- -- -- back at least they gain models such pushed back to where was it in 1970. I mean we had tons of Trout and shrimp and times oysters in those days but now we have lost so much land bit. There is nothing else he has -- -- current urgent and now they've put rocks -- passes it but the rocks they disappeared. -- -- -- -- -- And that bill is little doubt about march. You come out and resell there's not work it. Still -- we've got to -- stopping here because I'm out of time but we're gonna resume his conversation with Jarome ranks CPR a assistant to the governor for activities at 1135. So will pick it up there. Thanks to George and thanks to Joseph will be back after the news.