Well today it was a treat to him that green army on. Unbelievable. Thing managing these people have been and they're fighting are fighting an important fight. And again I think she made very clear they're not saying oil industry who want you gone they very much want the oil industry here it is about. -- being responsible for the things the damage it's done and there's there's got to be compromised. All right we're gonna move on. It's the war balloons that no one can see. Post traumatic stress disorder the numbers of those returning from war suffering from PT EST increases each week. The military admits it is playing catch up. Hiring mental health workers and creating programs to help those who fought for this country and now need help. But it's not just PT SD. There were ten and a half million visits last year alone to mental health professionals by military people needing help. With depression anxiety substance abuse and adjustment issues. What means to be done. Today we're gonna talk about PT SD with those who know what firsthand. Patrick you lost a US marine who saw the worst war can be and suffered badly from PT SD. James Jones a veteran center team leader. And doctor John Wells assistant professor of clinical psychiatry. At the LSU Health Science Center school of medicine and I truly appreciate all three of you being here. I think. The public is understanding more and more about this situation about PT EST this condition or -- knowing that your what you call it. But I think were were coming to grips where there have been enough stories of people sort of understand but they may never understand. Other than from the people who -- so I'm gonna ask Patrick to kind of take if you were a a super marine -- you did a phenomenal thing in Iraq and you were in many people's eyes very much hero. And yet you saw the real horrors of war. And it's maybe you can never even explain to people everything you saw. But from what I've read -- terrible things and came home and still have this terrible things and in your mind. When you got home I'm gonna kind of cut the chase here because I was so blown away and I read this. When you got home US for help and they were so overloaded. That it would be months before you could see counselor. So you left the marine base and you in essence went -- wall but in the sense of it checked herself into a psychiatric report. And another base yes accuser air force base in Mississippi OK so. That to me said what a wonderful brave thing you do ahead. And yet they they. Arrested yes. And -- they charged him with desertion yes with desertion -- and then not dishonorably but. You did not that you left without -- is that correct. Yes they they Jamie and all of them honorable discharge. And down after all -- years and it's opening -- process after giving out. Oh -- fighting to get my benefits back to America and -- does with and if you fall under the color of an honorable you don't. Qualify for everything you would under an honorable conditions. It was into that blew my mind it really did and we're gonna go back to that we're really talking about what what you went through in Iraq. And how you felt when you go back. Com this as far as what I went through in Iraq everybody has I -- their -- breaking point certainty more than the next guy. And on a -- good Marines good friends and all pretty much brokers and other civilian effort that's on the truth there. Common bank. It was I really didn't think anything was wrong but I sort of notice and myself as far as. Distance myself from every one. And I started the sleep the nightmares. Then my life I was mayor at the time and my wife was told me she's like you go get help -- was wrong I was like no Sanaa I'm OK so nobody else's noticed any thing. Well she says it's your friends tell me the -- So well a wanna go and so on to middle health file their home base. And they told me it's 36 months than for them to even see -- -- what I'm going to do Dennis Tom. And at this time was star and have problems and -- wasn't sleeping I couldn't sleep in the bed. I -- wanna be around family and wanna be around anybody so -- started drinking more starts aren't that different things that that point. -- when and a call my parents came down so check muscle from the -- slowed. And and so you thought I'm still in the Marines but I'm just gonna cookies and they. They have right my command knew or was that we are contact them and that's how we knew would pick me up that was my command told him where was that. I was walking into a mental health appointment whenever they picked me you know. Well again maybe that's another -- -- That I guess describing what PT SG used to someone who can say while I I would imagine you saw horrible things. But your back you're safe you're surrounded by loved ones. Came to fight it off. Well I think as far as salute the fighting off but it you know use -- taught in the military that. If you go if you need help -- if you show weakness that's ultimate you don't do. And so everyone's afraid to really ask for help -- to show weakness. And you know even whenever you give back you still there's a part of you still left over there you know when that once I got back Al was. I wanted to go right back over I don't wanna state -- it's easier to be over there and worry about. Your life every day than it is a compound would pay bills like my first unseat three years back I could even order pizza. You know it was hard to pick up a phone I didn't I couldn't pay him a cellphone bills -- -- in my car notes that somebody else to reform. And and that's what I guess a lot of people -- stand. Is that these veterans. They're given a mission every day while they're in the service and they come home. And the economy isn't doing that great this odd jobs that don't their loss -- have that mission anymore. So they're out they're trying to figure Osama do and when you have doubts on. Your mind is just going through everything and so a lot of times these veterans are seen in and re Livan what they went through over there. And that's when -- substance abuse and suicide steps and with a lot of. We're gonna take a break we're gonna come back we're gonna continue this incredible conversation with them. Some people who live this everyday. And I really appreciate your candor and stay with us everyone I'm Angela on W. We are talking about PT SD. And have just listened to the story of Patrick you lost 2%. Highly decorated US marine. Who came back very very troubled with that disorder. And and -- his story. We are also joined by James Jones a veteran center team leader. And doctor John Wells of Allah issue school school of medicine psychiatrist who also works with those who suffer from this disorder. And to start with you doctor wells. What isn't that happens to the brain. When. Men and women go to war and see these horrible things. Well that's. You know that that is actually something. Is being actively re search for right now so we do have some ideas about what happens in the brain. But I'm not sure that we can really do view. You know very precise answer about it and in general. And I think everybody rule will be familiar with this there is the fight or flight response when you are and -- -- years encountered. And very fearful or fear provoking situation. And so everybody's probably been a situation like that and can understand that you really have some. Physiological. Occurrences in your body you get an adrenaline response and so. You're very keyed up so to speak. Now. It's so happens that part of your brain. That reacts in this way is also very closely connected. With the part of your brain which lays down memory and so. You know this is this is. You know at least theoretically. So that you can associated. A dangerous situation with a fear. And then note to avoid that situation in the future. But for some of us either because of a natural predisposition. Or perhaps because the experience is so intense workers so many times and we're sort of taken out of our normal you know surroundings sometimes when these experiences -- -- a war zone. That those two things don't. Don't interact in the -- this year and so these memories can be laid down. And the memories can be associated with the very intense fearful response. And so then in general what happens is. We've all heard of cortisol which is hormone that's released when we're under a lot of stress. And so our court is all response yeah it's a little bit out of whack. In and so impeach yes yes things is that typical understanding now is that. The cortisol levels -- increased in people who have just experienced this type of you know very fearful response. But over time as the either continue to -- experienced similar things or -- experienced the same event internally. With flashbacks and things like that. That their court resolved and get suppressed it's almost like changing the thermostat. So we no longer have the same sort of operating stress system and I guess that's that's that you know pro in the easiest way to look at. Now -- that's a great explanation. James Jones since you were listening to Patrick tell a story at the vet center you you hear this I'll attack. It at the vets down. We will we will with any returning combat veteran. So if you've been to a combat zone yet before I was services is free and it's those -- if you want it it doesn't matter if you've been out twenty years. Anyone that's been to a combat zone incontinent bits and now at the new law those bits and a a lot of counsels veterans. -- have a -- a master's degree. And we license on the license social we have -- and counselors we have to counselors that are with ammonium Ph.D.s. A lot of experience. Most people don't know about the -- and we're trying to get the way out. If you don't count out dis honorable discharge. Yeah before officers if you can -- comments now. We also work with any veteran and experienced military sexual -- We have individual accounts and media group counseling -- and the count that -- counseling. And let me tell you this is what is so needed and -- giving some figures in the second but there in erupting make. Because Christian Garrett is on the phone with -- send out with some breaking sanctions. Yeah Angela. Soared in the show but the saints have matched the offer perceive the rock he'll push you -- to retreat into and out in the year. Four point five million dollar should offer sheet a mile out at this stage armed matching at all so they're not going news. Yeah bush and he's back in the world. Well that's a very good news you can break in any time with goodness. Aren't -- thank you Christian. Backups -- to run two user. It's something like. The ten and a half million visits. In one year. Veterans. Were to only 9500. Mental health professionals. That's a very low number. Have that many visits. And I know that. Black -- or Friday night CBS had a great peace and they were talking to the woman priest because of psychiatry for all of the military. And she was saying that's one of the big effort is too. Exactly what you're saying look at the masters degrees Ph.D.s people who wanna help in this area. And what was also interesting was that PT SG on the whole. Theme of of those who need help the military. It was lower than those with depression or those with anxiety or those with. Adjustment issues I thought that was very interesting as well I think most of us think of bless your heart what you've seen. And how you're handling it but and it and Blanton but you don't talk about the events center and for any that's out there. Let him know where is it. Right now is set to make 200 veterans how we cannot connect and about two months we should be movement between -- departures on the force flow. Oh that's great downtown and near to where the hospitals and yes so that that is very good one other thing you know like to say sure we don't have wind assistance that sent. Most people that call could be seen that day and the next day we -- -- right now we're down two people. 01 counselor and one office manager. But when we get the fullest day out probably we -- we tape walking miles so you can just want to hand and the if you have you. DD 214 -- destruction. And is not dishonorable. We will see you and is free and it's confident you and it's so long as you want it. -- we have individual and group invested some people go to two groups of people vote in division groups so we will take a veteran. For as long as they wanna be. On Patrick do you feel now you've gotten counseling. That you are you still have this form. Feel a still do. Received treatment from a place and -- Springfield outside of the VA. And you know I still go once -- Stoops still do the therapy and so without Poland. On as far as the treatment -- once a month and I give it to us. I can start feel when I'll get this treatment and a -- -- depression -- mines ID and everything else. And after about three and a half weeks then also are feeling come back -- -- get this treatment again and it. Gives them lets me sleep on your full night's sleep and everything else but if I don't do the treatment. And that's with anything -- Maintain it is it goes way you'll have your -- is the regional symptoms injured treatment both medicines and therapy. It's on yes I do therapy in its own that's not your traditional medicine. It's a Mexico and I'm a nice and it's spring for wellness center and the non went there and it's. It's through -- has pretty much all vitamins and all and you know on me that right after of the on the treatment that can go in there and after say two hours of receiving that. I feel great. And I know that you help others as well yes it's and so you you know what they're going through and do you ever wonder in -- -- one -- Red first did and now -- you know their bunny says you know that. God only -- -- gives that person as much as they know more than what they can handle. You know and I think. That's what he put me often you know maybe this is what I'm here to do so locked -- -- and help from god another fellow vet that -- problem. Very very good if anybody has any comments or questions about PT EST if you're going through if you have a loved one who is. And you want to share that experience give us a call 2601870. But now let's go to the newsroom and Jim Hansen. Over talking about posttraumatic stress disorder -- with Patrick you lost there was a US marine for seven and a half years. Saw two tours of duty in Iraq and saw the the worst part of wars. James Jones a veteran center team leader and doctor John Wells who's the assistant professor of clinical psychiatry at the L issue Health Science Center school of medicine. We are talking about something that is just we're hearing more and more about we need frankly to hear more and more about. So that issues canned. You know. As these wars are are winding down more and more -- are going to be coming home. And again I think the military is saying. We are trying to catch up but it's it's a long road ahead and and it's as is the doctor was saying not everybody it may be as fortunate as -- Patrick. In your recovery. That's absolutely true so did PT EST very often becomes a chronic condition and you know we might. We -- determine in the medical profession as being resistant to therapy but I think that that's. You know that's probably very simplistic way of looking at an oval -- to a large degree that's that has to do with the way. That the medical profession. Treats people and -- something that Patrick had said Greg before the previous break really struck me that he would. Been through some some therapies and -- traditional therapies for -- yes the and then. Had had found something that that really did work for him and what you were saying during the break as it was a holistic way of approaching it. And so -- two things that that struck me about one is that. Is that the stigma of having -- yes the is something that really prevents people not only from seeking treatment but also from getting really appropriate treatment. Can often people can often end up -- very -- dangerous situations. Really by avoiding you know going into. Into a situation where they get appropriate agreement. The other thing that I think that that a lot of times as lacking in the way that we treat PT EST is. Providing a sense of hope that there is you know that there is a future. Without having this disease burden on board. And the fact of the matter is and then just in the sense of of seeking out some of the holistic treatments that the though a lot of the treatments that we do provide typically in -- yen you know primary care and in psychiatric settings. Don't have a great efficacy -- means that they they don't work and in all that many people. And so I think that you know finding a safe treatment that does work for you is very important. Fantastic but it took you awhile to get there yes yes it took me -- on Lagos state and in the break. I had went to loan. To the Biloxi VA in on -- told the doctors after and I've been with them for years of treatment costs of look it's not helping put me in somewhere. You know an -- look we don't have the room and at the time I was on I was on opiates and I was just. I was drug must also want to make it -- fault make him through through my everyday life and you know once they told meaning that that they didn't have the room and could be I think at the time it was six to eight months that they told me before they do you have a -- available. And you know I was I was upset noticeable pisses me that's -- -- take this on on the opposite here go to withdrawals and document -- dispute is the I'll end and I wanna come back home here it's a New Orleans and I found spree for -- honor. And now women there and you know did their treatment and after. It and don't withdrawals. And everything else would Pete is the you can have you know up to sometimes three months of -- sluggish depressed and everything else. They 450. My how I am now -- farm account asleep Beck was and have the nightmares and you know it's been an. Although -- for so far -- And when you when you feel good if you were saying earlier and then you start slipping unions are feeling those feelings coming back. Then you go back for another treat this as we -- call boosters just go back in well. Sit there it's usually go for -- four -- treatment that I go do and sit there and pathways used Leggett said at two hours. -- depression subsides and field you can see the facial expressions on my face though oh great we're here with that it might -- -- -- You know and you bring you bring up my assessment -- suicide and in the military it is four times. Greater and in civilian and I think is that what 22 vets today yes and one active duty per day is committed suicide right now it's. To crazy rate that's within in the military in the -- community. You know it's a pretty tight it's getting tighter it is right now and world realized that we all have to stick together especially the way times are right now but. -- we called audio because when you're in a military your combat the you have a battle body. So once you get out who says you have to stubs to a man now you should call in a -- of that in. And -- goals of which war you -- -- you know if you have a body you serve with called. You know ask -- how -- -- make sure he's oh OK you know just set three minutes five minute phone call. The -- Paloma -- consultant stupid. Yeah and you know it just brings -- it is I heard you were saying -- wells early much earlier in the show it affects some people differently than others. And some might have a strong propensity for it yeah I mean one would think of all the guys you were aware. Patrick who saw the same horrific things you did. Some of them may be handled it worse than you -- -- right now I'm on my gosh everybody stay with us were gonna continue our talk on PT EST right after this. Were talking about PT us dean and now we've got some callers let's go to chuck and they Saint Louis. I there's pleasure institute. You do. I'm doing well. Home. Which are arm -- Between active German reserve term essentially for years of military. -- foresters saw Barack is certainly -- Hartford. And Jeremy what was important now and you should people composed of it was coming all those dollars saying I came home orders before Katrina. -- and -- where Katrina actually hit not a war. But. I actually -- certainly -- knowledge from his wallet and Iraq and Kuwait. I was told by -- Georgia -- -- That we have a fundamental duty is actually -- its army to secure the dependence. I was in Iraq most torrential wall automobile action and got -- children through certain date or muscle in my own implant and I look back you don't -- special operations command. And and Trisha -- came back and was injured in and was mine medical term and it took forty years. -- congressional hearings. And college everybody -- the vice president the United States and the court martial to probably get medically retired. I'm an arm there's George minute surge are better server percent. But it's actually. Go through arming it was. Horrific and then Iraq. A -- -- Bennett on what went through fighting the peacetime army and the Department of Veterans Affairs. Unless -- first of all thank you for 23 years secondly that is important what you're saying. And it reminds me of what -- Patrick was saying to his battle to be able to get his benefits back and that I had read an article that just in the army alone. They're 28000. Men and women who served. Who. Should be getting benefits that didn't because. On issues. Like. Which -- just numbers. The numbers in -- vote in the -- army that's not luncheon had problems and just army as I was still a lot lower than it really is. Somebody asked me now back -- -- Counselor at the day matter anger management counselor at VA. -- almost and then the other under the you know corporate 33 days due to the beginning -- -- -- -- -- active duty. And should essentially got what he you have something like that as you write a book. So marketable -- now. Coming home and about the way the army allows our lives to. Screw the sold over everything in the way that the army chooses shall we are over. And -- are you do you feel like you you're getting significant help now though. There's there are paying. Well and. I'm getting help in my district in this country and getting help them. These -- better than you or two years ago. And I am the policy years ago I'm in a good relationship with arguably. Group edged down to -- But in a tree here period -- tactics the worst place in the world. I was allowed through non medication changes -- -- you checked the job to Madison. In a two year period and the way they did there it is like -- to step would just take your medicine cold -- -- tight tree Judeo. So -- more. Portuguese or she wouldn't come down off the medicine on -- -- questions. I take -- they were just talking about this very thing in. In the commercial and I'd like the doctor and Patrick to also talk about that because that's that's big. Yes -- -- -- as a systemic problem within the military means. What we there's. -- more. The court marshals and then you are really all -- -- an outline and that an infantry unit. And he's just pictures or sponsors digestive problems -- -- in medicine. Today. Track record Archie and from you know the military that would in the order -- their -- benefits aren't developers where it was -- -- search. Let's talk Patrick your thoughts on -- -- our first awful to tell you think you -- service. I've seen firsthand date they will do that the military than the record is no different. But state. Aggressive. That they act like it's their money that -- -- about this the taxpayers that's painless. All these veterans that have sacrificed everything. But. You know it's at times. You. You just can't let them tape bring you down though. You know you have to keep on portion on it it does -- that what happens with everything. And between the medicines and -- announced that whenever I went to -- I was saying earlier dinner break. About 1215 different medications. You know and they would change me up by the they'd asked for those that work and you tell no they just put -- -- melts right then and there. In and an odd that would make you sick and at times he thought you don't crazy from a but at that point you just gotta keep don't. Stay with the second one will be right back. I learned a lot today I really didn't I I I wanna thank Patrick. -- I think all of Patrick you or something else and you vote thank you I'm really kind of taken charging your life and and all good things. For you for the future. That's something that they trim and and James Jones very important to Tibet center is here for those who may not know it's a year and that you don't have a waiting list. And right now in Kenner but it's going to be on -- streets. Two beautiful and done doctor John Wells I can't thank you enough as well on the there is science to this there is medicine to this but there's also just a tremendous amount of heart and I think that's what all of us are hearing. I wish you continued success Patrick and to all of that that's out there first of all thank you for everything everything you have done. And seek help if you needed to seek help if you need it. And we'll see you tomorrow.