Apr 10, 2014|
Garland talks about the continuing ramifications of the BP oil spill with Sara Gonzalez-Rothi Kronenthal, senior policy specialist protecting and restoring coasts and floodplains, and senior wildlife biologist Dr. Doug Inkley.
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Welcome back good twelve noon an interesting conversation typing concerning drones. If you must reading news you're constantly. Constantly. Hear these stories. How we can regulate these things -- Carl Walz are we gonna bright Heidi control them. And and actually looked like kind of a niche hobby. Device. Enemy military weapon as well morphing into something that virtually every will be able and I have and use. We've got -- of the truth and pulled down outside as of an iPad and after you live at -- -- course and becomes how to -- anybody know shores and Gordon's -- should do it wouldn't. So we're gonna have some legal Beagle on it and hopefully -- senators this proposing drone laws at least sultan. In the current session of the legislature. And speaking of the legislature the war of words continues over an attempt by. One of Europe blood. Protection authorities. Suing about 97 oil -- companies. So we'll have -- legal representatives appear will have proponents of the lawsuit and -- vaults hula. Soon. Invitations to senators that's leading that charge of this lawsuit knock down. You know also members. Of the show oil and -- to go through execution. That's gonna talk about two the BP oil spill. From reading this correctly. Natural wildlife federation -- new report is called for years into the gulf oil disaster. Were still. Waiting for restoration. Where this we have Sarah Gonzales -- The krona and -- that I get those things were. Mark up or are doing good during good yours senior policy specialist. Protecting and restoring coast and -- playing do you work with the -- of federation. That's correct idea -- for the national -- federation office here and Washington DC. And although it's not be able to violence we do have cared about them. Where do you still are being here we've got crawled. Our. Yes I I believe you're gonna hear from one of our expert scientist and a little bit mr. Doug Brinkley -- helped in preparing the scientific pieces of the report. But I heard you talking about legal Beagle earlier and my especially specialty is primarily in the law. And the policy side. Deep deep water horizon oil disaster and you know the bottom line is that. We're for here's how a very long time from the deep water horizon. Oil disaster. And yet there's. You know that that gulf wildlife or impacted by the spill are still feeling impact. And one of the things that we found after the Exxon Valdez oil disaster in Alaska. Would that -- six years and even decades. Before he even knows the full impact. Of that spill on wildlife. And in many instances. Those wildlife have not Erie county and that for example when you look at the Pacific Herring population in Alaska. It takes four years for the population crash. And did it today there's still not recovered and when you imagine the golf and the values. That are there you mentioned crop trash. And we still noticeable impact he would. Of this bill and we we may not for decades but certainly. We need to begin restorations and urgent need to get started. I have to tell you that the Gulf of Mexico produces one record and an agency created two thirds of the nation's oysters. And more than 44%. Of all United States marine recreational fishing. -- certainly quite a few critters down there. That -- exposed to the oil. And that. Are facing impact into the report focuses -- summarizing. What we know about the impact of fourteen of those species. And that little unknown numbers scientists at let's say that veterans write more troop funding. And -- severed 25 years out from Exxon Valdez in Alaska. And all of their species of reflected I think all the numbers still affected. When we talked restoration. What what can be done even if you have the money. -- things. Sent to New Orleans certainly. What happened land we don't take care very natural resource. There aren't that economically and it could put in harm's way to do that the electric and natural disasters and so the coast of Louisiana as losing. A football field coastal islands every hour and that is the natural defense against. The hurricanes that becoming. Did you know you know during hurricane season every single year. So we talk about restoration. The state of Louisiana for example after Hurricane Katrina put together an unprecedented. Fifteen year fifty billion dollar plan Q restore the content and protect. Louisiana and from. This kind of degradation into the empire and when you step back him up on a macro scale optical equipment accounts. If you can restore the Mississippi river delta. Stop losing those wetlands if he can restore the water quality. And the beautiful bays and estuaries. That are all around -- golf -- and parent period day in Louisiana. All the way down Q. America's Everglades. And Florida then. You can make that golf healthier and more resilient to the kind of thing that we know are going to keep happening. Like to. Hurricanes and man like. You know potential disasters in the future and you look at Galveston -- and then deep water horizon. -- able to figure -- for people who come right back. We're talking about the BP oil spill will be a National Wildlife Federation. As -- -- -- AD group port four years into the gulf disaster still waiting for restoration. Take a look at the alleged reported impacts all of Bryant have to come back you have questioned Jim's comment Rupp got the experts give his call 260170. Told for a -- -- since eighty dollar and zero it's seven and double BOE. 70 AM moral 53 at that. Are welcome back Garland -- an overview we're still thinking about the BP oil spill the actual while I've federation is come up with -- -- report. Called for years into the gulf oil disaster still waiting for words to ration. And whether it's on the legal side of this with Sarah Gonzales -- the crone and Paul senior policy specialist. Protecting and restoring coast and the play -- Sarah. Every dude are -- next gifts to -- mentioned. From the -- and -- while like that resolution. Of more than others seniors scientist. -- scoring in the article looking at it is saying determining what the impact or is still really buried typical. Window of these impacts -- BP and other than some denials. He kept there while I. Absolutely encourage. All the listeners to date had -- www. And WS dot org. -- -- pull our apps as you are years later that four years later and take a look at the report because. But studies. That are ongoing there are many of them and they come from different sources of funding you've got university studies going on. And -- Though the report and that really great job of translating. For a non scientists like me. Very technical scientific documents. Some of these of campground sleeping in -- state university and others writing your community and dad have for example. When it comes to determining a long term impact on let's say. Killy to ensure and Louisiana we column -- element. You know that that -- great -- because when you go fishing in the and -- you've got to -- on in the airline you're gonna catch a big fetched. Well you're gonna go to the marshes and you're going to find remarked that has -- impact and kind of -- didn't have little impact. And compared those -- minutes and one of the things that science is telling us that that lands Cox Jimenez are exposed to. Loyal and has impacted their -- it. And we don't know -- long term what that and a means for the kinds of fish that eat. Talk a minute. And on and on the food chain that's why it takes quite a while to figure out a long term impact because. That could lead in the Gulf of Mexico is so intricate. And so it's going to take decades of continued data collection and continued science for -- now. -- also read Bravo a lot of the surgery done. Only -- oil -- impact is confidential. Robe and you've got a web site that sounds like you've got. Studies on it. I'm old confused. I thought most of whose confidential because of the vote lawsuits. I can clear that up. Okay though if you remember that and the deep water horizon oil disaster first started. There is some sort of the funding for. What they call rapid grant from the National Science Foundation. To go out and for scientists to collect data to make sure that we could. Catalog -- impact that they were ongoing and so. There are. And pieces of science that have been coming out from -- That effort in addition it has been on track long term signs in the Gulf of Mexico going on for decades. Because it's such an important and valuable ecosystem. And finally there are people that the science but it comes directly from the oil disaster that has become public. But remember. About the trial ongoing and so much recently. We've got that done -- third stage of the trial scheduled to begin next July 20 that's -- -- sorry January 20 back January 20 and 2015. -- -- -- -- -- Just ruled last month that that would be in the third phase of the trial began and so the science we'll continue to come out. We just won't necessarily have the bulk of the science until the trial is either over or there's been a settlement. Our -- we have be -- drone is that they did declined violent. They soon you know here's what producer and they claim. Actually while -- coverage from report as a piece of political and -- could see -- not science it cherry -- reports whose support the organization's. Agenda. Often ignoring account -- in those reports or mischaracterized. And their -- Responds. -- -- You know my mom and dad taught me when I was a little girl that when you're when you're considering something you gotta consider the math teacher. And I can remember for years ago I was in that then senator Nelson senior senator from Florida offense. I was a staffer during the in the deep water and oil spill and I remember that. The day and all we were hearing reports that there was no oil escaping from the bottom of the engines. And then I can remember that the next day we -- told machine you're saying it's just the diesel oil from the tanks on top rhetoric and the following day. That got revised to 5000. Gallons of oil escaping per day and as we now. And as -- like 87 days. -- -- -- -- That was that was spewing oil into the deep waters of the Gulf of Mexico. Over four point nine million barrels escaped -- -- And so I just -- -- to head to the web site and -- -- dot org slash or years later and consider the future. Are there a very BP do it's and numbers from the sponsors saying. They're saying that of wildlife federation. Overlook information available from other independent scientific report sure in the gulf is undergoing a strong recovery. Reported in particular instead of published -- all the news movers. We welcome absolutely a public scientific dialogue. And I'm hoping that your readers are willing to start asking for that data. Directly from BP and other organizations that are taking. And and determine for themselves. You know what the -- debated shelling in terms of impact -- red snapper. And other wildlife that are commercially recreational -- in environmentally important. Well -- -- historic -- new movement talked about and lot of brown pelicans affected in the oil spill and I remembered his success stories of bringing the brown pelicans and working with them. Getting rid of oil release from two wild. Says -- 126 brown -- pelicans were collected. Million of which were found after they were dead nonetheless. The sides of brown pelican populations. Even heavily oiled areas. May not have been dramatically affected -- that -- So here's what I know about the brown talent and if you remember it was one of the first species. That was listed under the federally Endangered Species Act. -- -- just speak for the deep water horizon oil disaster the population have recovered so much that it was taken off the Endangered Species Act. In large part because I -- transferring -- from the coast of Florida to Louisiana. You can get a viable population. But when the deep water horizon oil disaster happened you can all remember the images oiled brown pelicans. And the problem with oil that would finding -- -- brown pelicans and for those that you find there are some that you don't. And so. That's. What that was different -- any sense really difficult to know the full impact because. The global alert place and we can't necessarily find all the wildlife that -- impacted. You know when -- when I ask you will what's we have for more than one is restoration. And you talk about restoration of the coast and I understand that because most people don't understand that. When it comes through shrimp and red solutions suspects and many of -- Commercial species here. They've laid the -- -- the -- with them but they go to the national borders perhaps the gate so. Our coastline of bird narrow band and -- basically nurseries for a lot of these species. But I don't think it is for sperm whales and all balloons and bluefin tuna. Well what happens to those species if -- or is expected as we think there. Sure thing I remember that that some of those larger marine mammal that. He spent a lot of their time off Schiller. You know electric market and we know that they do you spend time in the days straight -- -- -- -- -- -- has a population of parliament dolphins that was especially impacted. And and then secondarily when talking about the deep water becomes really difficult and the one of the reasons that we could be. Strategic. Only think about whether not to make sense to be drilling in the deeper and deeper waters of the -- If you remember that Deepwater Horizon well ahead. Was ever a mild need to start of the Gulf of Mexico and so. That our technology Q. Oil. Far outpaced our technology to be able to stop a bill fell -- at that time. The only folks who -- -- the thing going on the spot on the ears and the oil companies because they have remotely operated vehicles. That same. Science questions. -- true for deep water restoration and deep -- species and cell. Opens as a national island federation. Is that -- restore the post because we know how productive fitness and in addition that the science is able to advance. Quickly enough to understand. What impact the deep water and how do you restore the environments all. We're 14 little portion to Exxon Valdez point five years ago an avalanche good numbers species still affected. If -- book it is there were in the breaststroke rationed effort there than they don't have wetlands. If there or would a possible scientific restoration methods. Who's paying for. -- -- Remember the Exxon Valdez occurred in 1989 men at the time we didn't have a statute called the oil pollution act. That was enacted by congress in the wake of the act signed in 1990. And and what that. Legal framework did was create. Actual. Natural resource damage assessment that the responsible party -- oil company. I was required to pay for and don't act on what that fourth. So what they did -- on was that the federal government the state and the tribal government got together and negotiated with. About tax on company to come up with a settlement to address natural resource and and that settlement think that. Essentially. You're so we know it's -- right now -- what it will cost to every story. But in addition we're gonna put in clawed their offense we find impacts later on we can reopen negotiations. Fortunately. By the time that the government did find impact later on. They were not able to successfully. Legally reopen the negotiations and an amateur and here we are 25 years later and some speaking simply not about. But innovated and -- didn't think setup -- trustee council. Q determined restoration work needed to continue throughout the years. And -- -- council exists even today and it's one of the framework and one of the things that we look Q. While we try to figure out. What can be done from the Gulf of Mexico. Sir that you assume a -- projected to we have -- The biggest celebrity -- I'm Rea. The thing to think Europe think about BP oil spill again in the reason Hughes whose new report out. From the there for a while I've -- -- utes titled his four years ago world is here. Still waiting for rush relief. Talk to us about the the environment outside of that we doctor Doug equally. A senior wildlife biologists doctors thank you for joining us good morning. You and in the lives of control. Problems that we have from dolphins don't go on the road -- him to -- bought with the results of this study are in. Poverty -- species that we have the right. Well but the National Wildlife Federation. It's tried to do here is to not do the original search concerns expert scientists from many different -- universities and the federal government numbers. That are going to search. We're trying to put it together and away. That. Is useful summary and gives a glimpse of what is going on. As as was mentioned my predecessors Serra a lot of this information hasn't been released -- because as part of the lawsuit. It's part of the natural resources damage assessment which is under way. But fortunately we have some glimpses of what is going some studies have been released so we tried to make the publicly available we do. As terrorists and encourage a public dialogue on the impact of the yeah. Oil spill on the gulf of Mexico's entire ecosystem and in every one that's -- policies. Should tell me what some of the reports are saying you know what we wouldn't have a web site and did some church. Basically what will we. Well one of the things that you're finding is -- and to everyone's concerned about the opposite we've heard about them quite a bit. As a matter of fact we do know that dolphins have been impacted a lot since the oil spill. That knowledge it is the federal government scientists are saying there's extremely strong evidence. That the sick dolphins that are being found now are related to the oil spill. There finding them in the most heavily carried oiled areas where there's -- and the -- finding signs of sickness that are very consistent and are completely consistent with -- toxic chemicals from oil. So there seeing dolphins that are in need. But seeing dolphins that have liver damage and the year seeing dolphins that are now Darren pour out there -- Clearly. There's good reason and that -- -- -- again has said to believe that the oil spill related to not just one of the many BC. Of course pelicans and sea turtles and other like Alex species. That represent the damage that can be done by an oil spills like the one that occurred in the gulf. -- -- The Kemp's Ridley sea -- That's only in the Gulf of Mexico -- -- the most endangered sea turtle in the world. It was the one that was most impacted. By this oil spill mean you can not -- on. The -- election coverage in the final that was not related to the oil spill that's pretty clear. But the additional concern is that you know oil -- And even though -- -- -- -- the oil although access. A lot of that is in man who quantities and a lot of the toxic substances have been taken up the organisms how was cycling to work up the country. Help me on this and reading -- -- I don't know what that was for a man of pure. Yeah those are small micro organisms -- form an effort. Is that the basic food chain. It at the other small micro organisms at the bottom of the food chain. We know that they were dramatically effected in areas that were spilled the in areas that -- effected directly by the oil spill. That means some alterations in the county in those areas. I'd like to think that that was temporary but we. Do know that oil continues to be on the ground. On the bottom of the golf and that can continue to affect organisms which are. The base of the food. Well it will we -- though oils on the bottom of the gulf of visual picture is that in. Pat Hughes in though went in serie is that the deep -- or is out on shell -- give me an idea what that looks. Everywhere. Garland we have some staff that are out on the golf to like it is good reasons to do it in spots. And I said we have staff that are on the call today they're looking at some of these oiled wetlands there are seen oil. That is still there for years after the disaster. In. Prince William Sound 25 years after the Exxon Valdez spill they can still find oil on the beaches. So we are finding oil in the well and oil spill washing up by the content. -- -- And it is underwater. On the bottom of the gulf port is much harder to see. Does not mean that it's covered entirely like the blanket as you indicated across the entire area. Some areas are of course affected much more heavily than others. And we now to watching a -- that -- Alaska or here. Here and the Gulf of Mexico -- if he can pine tar balls washing up all the time. And program are limited breaker would come right back. People in the this seafood industry you if you're losing. You have an example thereof or use seeing results were up there every day of the people that lived in the -- or two in the mark or those you just have questions is this. But the doctors talkative about. If there were eight and and if these -- users know being affected. Big part of our economy. Forget judged the sportsman that enjoy going out there over the commercial. People who make their living it. Seafood is a huge part of a war financial sustenance. In this state what do you think -- six zebra. Wondered settling. Over 8866. Aided 90. Pizza and we're still figured -- your BP oil spill and primarily because of a new report. By the National Wildlife Federation it's called poor years in the gulf oil disaster still waiting perot's strong relations. We've doctored dog Italy where this senior wildlife biologist doctor. Number of callers wanted to talk to lose bring in mark mark Curome -- Regular -- and okay. That's a -- I was patient out artificial I was about sixteen years ago. And I'm in Egypt so now on out -- -- out of the BP. Accident happened. We we would do well make -- -- you know beaten up aliens stuff. -- -- -- -- They -- -- happens NN error that cost us and Europe Austria but that decision -- it was so this will be light. Efficient and it will air quality oldest industries and it even open and being in informing and stuff. And it's -- It if you don't seem so efficient villages like repeat. And it's like dale and elephant sound approach and talk to some of the they're the real commercial -- got it just blare out on the side. That bit from -- -- At least that they're devastated people now problems. Not only adequate equipment each step it's a very expensive because that's. Eventually that an -- -- business -- every day. That they're approaching can't even if you can't get that sense on the outlook for commercial fishing boat right now. Such intentions -- devastating effects on us and I really believe. I really it would become packet it just can't come back. Would you because doctor -- -- appreciative -- Just think that. Thanks for the comments practices again senior scientist and National Wildlife Federation and I will address that -- just wonder remind you that if you do more information on this report. You can go to and WS that ordered. Slash. Four years later and Libya org slash four years later. You talked about the impact of the finished two excuse you know oil spill in the fishing industry. I think that that is a huge concern of course because we are findings have found the things that have been impacted if you look at red snapper. The first -- after the oil spill we're finding a mutual lesions and we're finding rot that's been done. A year later most of those had disappeared. That's certainly a strong indication of some impact. We are also finding effects on the -- finished little tropical that are sold ordinance of feet finish for so many different species. But -- the recreational fisherman that we are also concerned about as well the commercial pressure. A lot of people go to the Gulf of Mexico it is a tremendously important area economically. Four. The people that are there that benefit from the fisherman coming down from the anguish for recreational anglers coming out there. It's the favorite destinations in the sportsman's paradise. So he won't have to be concerned about this in the long term let me tell you why. In the Prince William Sound -- Exxon Valdez tracked everything seemed to be fine. For the first here in the second year in the third year with respect to the Pacific Herring population. In the fourth here four years later the population crash. All wild ones that they went back and looked at their information. And they found out that the year the oil spill there at all been almost no recruitment of young fish into the population. -- reproduction Hewitt is essentially zero. But the effects of years later now point five years later that Herring populations still has not recovered. So we have these immediate short term concerns. But we also -- look the longer term. NC but those that might be and we're we're bound for some surprises we were surprised that the Prince William Sound Exxon Valdez spill. I think we're going to be surprised in this particular case. The amount of information that is available now only -- the small glimpse of what is there we are dying to get out for the public. Because the as a public resource as being impacted dying to see those studies from the federal government and others that are part of the natural resources damage assessment we need to -- the full picture. Little scary no doubt about it. All -- just curious if you know as far as is there any effort to recover -- Whatever against or -- that is that our bottom of the -- conception what you -- at least recover most of that debt it would have less impact. Bayern veto if it -- any saying all how hard would it be to recover. You know a home -- any effort to do that. -- -- and things about oil spill of this magnitude is that once the oil spill. Recovery of that oil taking it back out of the environment is just about impossible. Okay. Less than 10% of the oil and large spill like this one is ever recovered. That's why the solution to the problem. It to prevent it from happening in the first place we need adequate regulations that -- is so there has been no no reform the oil pollution act. Since the oil spill occurred that need to be done to prevent this from happening again. Then there's the technological aspect. How do you remove oil from the bottom of the gulf. In some cases is 200 feet deep in some cases it's two miles the board affecting the organisms that live there like -- corals. It's virtually impossible to do. Doctor again sneaky feeling it's just one of many shoes who on this subject. We appreciate the information and expertise. And look forward talking to you again we're gonna colleague and hope you'll come. Well thank. Her doctorate -- All right come right back -- yeah. Well we're just still has been an hour talking about pro and -- while alive while Louisiana's coast. Now organs for another hour talking about from the city of Louisiana. And big fight it's on in the legislature and that aligns with our captaincy -- -- -- a -- -- -- AM 052 --