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4-15-14 1:10pm Angela: on the NOPD "residency rule"

Apr 15, 2014|

Angela talks about the relaxing of the "residency rule" involving the NOPD with councilpersons James Gray and Susan Guidry, Eric Hessler of PANO, and Nick Felton, president of the firefighters union.

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That you just love this today it's like a fall day it's beautiful correct and we like to start our day off that way. I think three incredible hours coming up our first one. Vary very important to the city of New Orleans and that is the residency. Ruling out. And of the vote that was taken last Thursday and the council did vote in majority to relax those rules I'd love to hear from you on that subject as well we have. A roomful of people who have. Very strong opinions on it. Our second program is going to be doctor Vern Palmisano. Who was with this right before Christmas he is the local Doctor Who has spent the last fifteen years. Looking at the scientific evidence. Of the crucifixion. And resurrection and I'll tell you you will be fascinated. By what this -- to say. And our third hour at long last we get -- the good governor Edwards and his bride's train so please stay with -- for that. However the New Orleans City Council voted 621. To relax the residency requirements for police and fire and EMS workers. It's been a very contentious issue. But -- the council majority decided would be one element to help and the recruitment. Of much needed police officers. Now not everyone agrees but I do want to know what you think. Is it important for police fire and EMS workers to live in New Orleans to be able to work in new -- So give us a call at 260. 187. Day. Joining us to talk about the do residency rule is councilwoman Susan get a drink who is co author of the ordinance. And councilman James Gray who was the lone vote against the change. Eric Kessler the attorney for the police association of New Orleans and -- Felton president of the firefighters. Union. Thank you all each and every one of you. And I know must agree that you can't stay with this whole hour and since you were the co author on on this. There seems to be at least some confusion about exactly what the bill says so if you could. Elaborate. This means. That anybody was hired from this moment on will be able to live wherever they wanna live but those. Now working here in either of these fire police in mass. Cannot -- is that correct. No that is not correct -- and I'm I'm. I understand that council member. Clark and made that statement yesterday and the radio I have not been able to reach her since I've learned that just a little while ago. To the intent the ordinance. Way to make that domino -- requirement. Not apply to all. Commission. Law enforcement officers firefighters and emergency medical technician. And and Dee -- you know is as complete intention. And and you know I -- we are dealing with recruitment and retention issues with regard. To our first responders. And the intention. Was to help with both of those issues recruitment. And retention. And if you look it did. Section -- the intentions. It's date that employees who were hired. By the city prior to January 1 2013. Been -- -- -- requirement does not apply to them except for if they live in Orleans parish. Day much remain in Orleans parish. To. Had the tension. -- apart beat yet IA. That we. Voted on last Thursday does not have the part. That part and it it is but if you live in Orleans parish you have to stay in Orleans there. It simply an exemption. I'm still. I hate to admit I am and I'm still confused. One more time on -- could -- the -- program posed by this article shall not apply to any employee. Of the city who was hired by the city. Prior to January 12013. When I read that I read. This is for anybody who retired prior to January 12013. You have to staying in -- moral. If you were already living outside during that interim time when they could live anywhere than -- grandfathered in. But anybody who was hired by the city prior to January 12013. It says. You're you not going to be able to move out. It says that if you. Right if you lived in or -- And you hired before January 1 of 2013. You have to remain in Orleans. For purposes of the -- Requirement but part -- And deal with first responders does not have acted limitations and it. OK so that's maybe that's the thing. Any employee who is not. Fire police -- yemen's. Has to stand moral ones they don't. Right -- that part. EMS will be exempted. From that domicile requirement. Period. So does that mean that those who have been living here and you -- for the last 51015 years can move out. That's correct. Is that it means that the damage our department will not apply to first responders period here. I mean what we can't the year -- -- -- you know we've got issues with this. Police secondary employment so our police officers who Leno has supplemented their pay traditionally. With page details. They are not being able to get as many it is PD counts right now. We have issues with. With basically the cost of living in Orleans. And and we're looking at a crisis would look at least not visitors who are. Quitting because they are. Moving out to. And because they can afford to stay here and we're looking at. Police recruit to our applicator would be applicants who aren't applying because they can't afford to appear. And so we're trying to ease the situation. My understanding. Again this came from Jackie Clarkson yesterday. Is that this is just part of what's going to be an ongoing process to help retain and hire and that there will be other factors involved. Along the lines such as perhaps -- helping with housing and helping with education that kind of thing. That's correct there is a working group aren't going right now. Deeply in line to police and justice foundation who has been so helpful. Eight in the recruitment. Efforts that have been taking place in the last say six months just. Days are have formed working group of people to to look act. Other cities and what they're doing a particularly given how cash strapped to New Orleans is right now looking at incentives that don't. -- I don't cost a lot board for this city. -- been incentives for decades with private companies and and persons and and mortgage companies and banks. Eager you know decreasing rent some property that they own and manage. For a first responders. Perhaps were schoolteachers to that type of thing. Would a connected you know of course to take home the car policy. What we wanted to do is here. The first responders incentives to leave and this city in debt. Having negative requirement. And another thing you know as we and it -- now on the days of last Thursday. 84% of comparable cities that would look debt would do not have residency requirements such. You know instead of having negative. You know requirement. We wanna look at pocketed and it's. We do have a room from other people and we have councilman gray here who voted against it and just before we lose a council of entry. Your thoughts on what she's just sent. Well I understood it. The -- Michael. Okay. I understood it to mean in stages -- councilwoman get reinstated. Now what I find interest -- is that one political sponsors. Understood it to mean something else. And and I saw it was a terrible decision. At the time and that's -- I voted against the -- -- -- the term of the cities. And to the extent we saved. It's one of many things we need to do to deal -- what is being called a crisis with policemen. It seems to me that you -- who look at the total package together. It it's not good government to say that there are many factors involved here I'll Google deal with one of them. Over here. And then talk about and think about -- and deal with the others first of all you can if you admit that there are many factors in it makes sense to me. All the facts on the table at one tan make a decision about all of them at one time. Even the chief -- We talk about some specific requirements that interfere with recruitment right now. Such as to sixty hours of college which which incidentally many fine policeman on the force right now did that pan out. When they join the force including that you. And the chief agreed that hey this is something we need to look at me we need to change this. There are other things we need to change the positive incentives that. Council mcgetrick talks about we all agree on some things we need to think about going. But it in my mind and you think about doing everything. In one package you don't piecemeal as we've done in this case. Council and bigotry you're not. Yes -- the app I've been hearing about it did you know we articulate lines and the incentives and get it out together. For many many months. While we haven't even been able to build to recruit classes last year. If these -- ball you know. Part. The -- debt debt debt would have to look at together we couldn't make it work I would understand that we have to do it all one time. But this was one piece that could be done now. By the City Council something that we can control that we could make cap and now. To get this ball rolling and I'm all for looking at today's educational requirements smacked back. What we've had with -- situations where. The chief when our efforts to ask him about education requirements. A few months ago he said. You know I would like to look at the data on that. And they have been doing that and collecting that data and we're beginning -- -- -- what it is that. Debt that he is mass effect is something net. We absolutely should look at because there -- a lot of people are being disqualified. Just right off the back the -- that requirement. And so you know he wanted to collected data on that now they're doing that and that will look at that piece to. So it would be nice to do -- dollar package acceptable. I don't know you know where one necessarily expects the other. What was important to me is to act as quickly as possible on one thing we noticed officers have been telling as. We had a study from back in 2004. Where they said that that residency requirement why is a big problem for the force. And so you know this is something we could act on now and those you know I'm am I appreciate. Council member grades. Prospective. But I am glad that you know we were able to act on it and we'll continue to look at all these other. Issues and and how they affect. Recruitment and retention. I can't thank you enough for joining us I know that you have to leave but it means a lot that you called and and we're going to take a break and come back and again we have some other thoughts on -- so stay with the -- John not over on the nor short hang on the phone wanna I wanna hear what you have to say we'll be right back. Well I welcome everybody back we're talking about the the residency requirements that have now been we're calling him relaxed but changed and we just listen to what councilwoman -- three who was the co author of the bill and she was saying very clearly. All fire police EMS. Who have worked at that those places for a long time and who may be hired. Will be exempt now from having to live in Orleans parish and that is in its simplest form. We are joined -- I'm very appreciative councilman James Gray who voted against it. Nick Felton with the firefighters union and Eric Kessler with panel who have been sitting here listening as well before we get and they have some wonderful opinions and thoughts. I'd like to get to our our our caller because he's been holding on for seventeen minutes Don. -- your thoughts. -- -- -- -- -- Thank god helpful jittery and it's -- -- like paper. At that I'll pick -- -- -- problem on all but it shouldn't -- -- -- and that's a -- -- a lot. For a change. -- -- -- -- -- -- He -- -- offshore. In. The also children. And from there from there. -- -- it much more or -- -- My children my ma. Am. Or. Are you. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Internet. Ought to walk or -- Because it can help more -- It. Are. Now about. What. Sort it out about. People make sacrifices -- I am. Mr. Garcia. Well first of -- -- and I appreciate the fact that you love the city and you would like to work for the city. But for my part to do their number reasons that this change is a bad change for the city. And some which. Everyone omitted in the here's the other day they'd need to pay attention to we have oval 400 policemen. Right now who work -- Orleans police department who do not live in the city. No one has done a compilation of how much. Money that he is. It is taken out of the tax dollars that we make it grocery store wars and real estate tax in the city of Orleans and we spam and other places. Councilwoman get receive some analysts situated cities have done the same thing well. What you've been similarly situated when I looked at the citizens of -- and the same thing generally they would -- it is downward core. Of an area. Where everyone went today -- feed it to shop. Went to it spits -- go to the restaurants -- -- -- at the seat at the heaters so those citi's board suffered the tax dollars one about problems it is. This city can now affords. The tax dollars that we looms as a result of this ordinance. End -- -- an element of Spanish the other thing is no matter how nice you are and how dedicated you are. The citizens of this city feel odd though that when the person walking down the street in there neighbor who's with the Afghan and the state. If someone who has committed to that neighborhood. I'm not saying that some of those people who have committed to that CB won't do bad things on that -- they're not a lot of great people who can't make that commitment. I'm -- as a general matter I believe. That the citizens of the city feel I've -- that when the people who walked the food air and a -- boots with guns and steaks and Apollo that we give policeman. And also people who do want to Leo in that community. Mr. -- and I'm sure that. All who also returned -- look at a police officer with the department. -- At what beer that Ted -- -- in. You lost a spot is not the only problem there. Haven't been an -- that -- recently. That -- -- -- would have thought far. It's. Critical situation. It. People -- This -- all -- -- 14 -- Important. Sources but at the -- power plant and -- there are more important fight. They say. You have across the street -- this -- Sport to sport -- -- so the board and hopefully get broken -- uniforms so I wouldn't. Well it depends. And I've been in situations where I thought it made a lot of difference that the policeman who showed. Had a real connection to the community. But but but let me just say this you're right there are a lot of things wrong with the system and there are a lot of other things we can do the make the system right. That -- make this mistake. Not a mistake I think it's a mistake to get rid of the domicile rule happened many of those other things you complain about that you stay. Are things that we need to fix we need to work on. One of the things we agreed on in the council meeting is that we need the -- police offices more. We need to give them as many positive incentives incentives as we can't. And you're right if this is just one little issue while we make in such a fuss about this one little issue. Just if you asked me that question I can Escude at question let's go deal with some of the other problems that we have that would make this a -- proceeding. And that take away. The millions of tax policy were taken away that created an environment where people many people will fielded these policemen. Do not relate to me. Data that have a sense of what I'm thinking about how I feel. And and and their fold. I'm not gonna get the best protection from them and I would tell you. I have been in situations on many occasions. Where I felt an easy. A ball. The policeman who keen to help me but calls their reaction to me appeared to be whine that they weren't -- -- was the victim. -- -- -- They will come out and that just happened to the poor woman on green street. 39 year old woman who was attacked -- miracle she's alive huge full page paper it was exact same thing perhaps it's about training. Training regardless of where you live. Training. And I agree and and incidentally out training programs. If you look at them they should be cute but I do agree. That it is about training in many cases -- training makes a big difference I hate to an erupt again but we have to go to the newsroom. I thank you very much Don for calling and good luck we'll be getting and will be right back now let's go to -- Chris Miller in the newsroom. Over talking about the change in residency requirements for police fire and EMS workers and and it. Quiet but not because we want them to the client has been -- Felton firefighters union and -- with -- -- I have been very honest I'm writing all this stuff plus I'm reading images like you and I thought you two would be jumping up and down thing. At last we don't have this residency requirement I honestly thought that I'm not hearing that from you in the break. Well Angela thank you very much you know and it's a very difficult for me to be quiet because -- a and a few words as you well know but that. And you know it is a subject that you know has a lot of different movement ports put them. As the council members said earlier you know it it needs to be a more holistic approach to. Recruitment and retention and yes we are. And a lot of our members are glad to see this relaxation. Of the residency requirement. You know there other things. As we were talking during the break. You know I always quickness is so. You know we constant us police the budget after budget. -- being in using that working men and women police fire EMS and all city workers with the budgets. Is balanced on the backs of working men and women in this city. You know we have -- issues going on out there is nothing in them people just always get in the gun placed it -- to force some different things and and then the more recent thing is that we -- just talk to -- this great place toward initiative which is called civil service. Reform we called his demise of civil service. And those are type -- things that retention of good employees cards dramatically. And we you know we don't wanna see that type of patriots so I think you need to take a more holistic look. Like I don't think anybody -- disagree with him I think you know everything you're saying makes sense and needs we looked at and I get a sense. From the to counsel people -- that ultimately gonna happen whether should've happened while they did this or not is not even debate going more it's done. Eric Kessler. The the panel people who will be happy with us. Well I think he'll be happy once they have a -- front of him that they know exactly what they can and cannot do. I think this laws have been unclear I think it's been proven be unclear when you have one of the other authors of the law has a -- different interpretation and then missed jittery. So. What -- our members want is. The ability do their jobs. The ability to raise their families the ability to make a living in if they live and or arsenic can afford it. I don't think they have a problem with. Com I think there's plenty of people that live outside the city I would love to own house here and love them. Be available make it easier for the conveniences of of what city has author. The problem is Acosta live and has has skyrocketed since Katrina. Their salaries I'm not so much coming one raised since 2007. There health insurance has risen dramatically. But the big deal is the details the details of cut their income significantly for that from every officer I've seen a mystery illness it has cut their their ability and make him. -- cut into the ability to make a living. And so therefore some of those offices feel that. They have to you can afford their mortgages that can't afford to put their partners their kids and and a private school that's that they chose to do so. So they're in a position where they have to move out of city. War. Or give up and moved to a smaller house downsized. -- are what have -- All in order to keep their jobs. So I think that shows -- dedication to its Indian and and you know mr. -- said something about. That people NC would rather see an officer walking on the street who lives in the city because they're -- they got a vested interest in the city. In an ideal world I believe that's perfectly. True and perfectly fine but. I think it's too that the person wearing that -- pentagon and Karen at stake it's his character it's his integrity it's his professionalism. And and and it's his training that is gonna. Gonna carry that day for what that's citizen thinks of that person. An and it fits in if it if it's not -- -- where that person lives well then shame on. This these are men and women and her doctor put their lives on the line. To help conserve citizens of of enormous when they fail when enough professional they should be punished for. -- -- -- -- -- The city hasn't thematic salary to live inside the city which the police. Stay with this will be right back we welcome you back we're talking the residency will only get to a couple of his callers very quickly Steve. Been holding on for ever very it'd be very brief so thank you for calling. Hello Steve. Yeah portrait -- port shopping outside the parish you know make make a living wall -- stop shop that -- -- Accurately accurately if law -- -- years -- look. All Carol. Sentimental value to it to you'll see. You know still. The same table. We all do -- Ottawa -- patrol -- able. It is you know if there. And get the bit. -- -- -- What rumbled into the network for the thirtieth guarantees are going to be able to work for the city the thirty year. We'll hope we'll make money when you sell the house. I shouldn't. I hear exactly which are set up. Not you can't call it out portable. That's right. But Steve I appreciate your thoughts I truly do appreciate your listening and I appreciate your thoughts as to these people I'm gonna move along because we have other things are gonna talk about. Always call -- in New Orleans. Want to say you know people wanna be shape and feel safe and comfortable and all -- is order not feel local work. And underpaid and gave an earthquake delivered so I don't think. Citizens -- what. Where people -- it's always very ever present but police and they say that's the most important thing. And it would help the -- to bring in more revenue we will summer's biggest problem. -- -- -- And we bring in law which the state police and now more vocal and pretenses what what makes the difference there's no -- national. I think the council due respect there's just. You know barking up the wrong tree and and and Agriculture Department should should not be you know counterfeited goods and where. Okay thank you day for your thoughts and very quickly rock. Yeah I -- OK I think whichever it toward our -- -- -- right now things I want population. Where you know more people. A lot of people. Out there. Actually. It's -- straight right now because. We're in the situation extraordinary situation with young people and and trying to become a missile. So we -- After that. It would give the -- what equipment. People out there. I don't care what you don't want in the -- And it don't work. Not your right rock I appreciate this call and your thoughts I wanna pick up only sang. We -- we don't have enough cops it's just that simple took the three of view what can we do beyond. Whether it's residence requirements are helping them. We need more -- we need -- fast. Isn't part of this. To bring in hopefully some people who may live without who have either retired or moved on to other departments who don't need all the training that can comment isn't that one of the benefits. Well that's one of the claim benefits and of course anytime you expand the pool you get more people. I count real well and I admit to the numbers. 01 of the things that's it in the debate he is. I -- that satisfied that we've made the right kind of effort to recruit. Police offices from among the citizens of the city of the wall once I disagree. -- the last call about their Nat beanie enough qualified people from the -- in this city the laws to be police officers. I think someone in their presentations and we want to bravest and as Smart as well I think there are plenty of -- very Smart people. Who live in the city -- who could be. Police officers and I don't think we've done Connecticut. Recruited first of all we talked about this for five months ago. The mayor say that he was going to. Give us some input on that recruitment effort. That never happened. I am not convinced that we have a crisis because they are not enough Smart -- people in the city in the loss would be policemen. I don't think we -- done an adequate job recruited first overall. The other thing you've got to worry about is if you say this is one of the many things. I'm not so sure we gonna get to those other things because I think now a lot of people are gonna say we fixed the problem. And we don't need to worry about. Lamenting that it was -- pretty quickly I wanna reduce the numbers and you haven't to. It was pretty much been an Internet. Appeal to join. 12100. People checked in 213. Of those met the minimum requirement of 12100. 49. Showed up. To take the test in nineteen past. Not everybody wants to be a police officer I think -- I agree with you I think we get Smart -- people listing on a lot of Smart bring people mr. But not everybody want to be a police office. First of all you started by saying how many met the minimum requirements. But we all agree that perhaps. What we call the minimum requirement so inappropriate. We've not yet. Take any steps to address that. Second evolved. You're absolutely right that there are many people. Who would meet those minimum requirement to pass the tests. Have not being convinced that this is a good thing to do with their lives that's the effort we need to make in recruiting we need. To go to those people who sometimes think that the police offices as there any me. And as John in the police forces join an enemy we need to show them that this is a very important very vital job. That is required for citizens of this -- it to give service to the city. And I think we can do that and I think we can get some of those people who don't want to be a police officer right now to change their minds about it. Okay -- into the break we'll be right back we'll talk about the residency requirement Eric you had a comment. But he spoke about lateral. Persons network that are police officers and or persons that have already left the job. One of the biggest problems are gonna have with recruitment is the same programme retention. Barrels. Talked police offices how's it like working in Norman's. And it's not just a domicile world but in the offices and tell me exactly how it is and it's not per. -- One often described to me like come to work everyday -- punch in the face by the administration. So and that's why people that's why we have a retention problem we have very experienced -- leading. If you can't bring back the people that left if he can't keep the people that are here what makes you think you bring back to -- left for the very same reasons of people continued belief. And I would have there. With that you know I mean if we can have this working group as councilman Gibson as we get a look at all problems and he's right. -- apple right lateral snack can make -- difference is same in five. Okay Leo examine issues that the relishes the equipment. You know we need to be appalled that discussion and we have not been so well so I think if we can really make this thing -- Encompasses all the problems that exist for recruitment and retention. I think we need to get all the people together and if it's that much of a crisis let's put up boots on. And let's do it come down and go home I mean just how guns blazing. And that's sort of the bottom line let that working group get going yes let's solve it I can't thank the three -- I think also missed injury we're gonna continue on this. So stay with -- but our next hour it's doctor Vern pummel -- stay with --